2022 Election
flollo wrote:I can’t provide a definitive answer to racism in Sustainable Australia, I would need to do more research. But overall, I’m pro migration which is contrary to the general sentiment here and it’s also contrary to the policy being proposed by Sustainable Australia. Australia is already one of the hardest places in the world to move to and I don’t want to see further restrictions.
Seems like it’s a matter of personal perspective.
I don’t see Sustainable Australia as being anti-immigration, I actually see them as being pro-immigration.
It just seems S.A. would rather a smarter country than a necessarily bigger country.
If our entire economy is predicated upon unlimited population growth, how dumb is that?
And that’s the tricky bit - regardless of levels of immigration, if you’re not on board with it you’re automatically anti-immigration. It feels almost impossible to get a reasonable discussion going.
Thanks for the responses. I should note that I am not necessarily anti immigration either, Australia is a big country and has a lot to offer, but there needs to be a realistic vision to pursue this growth, plans in place to support those who are making the move, as well as the current communities. I'm definitely no expert on this but it seems sensible to look to develop decent infrastructure and programs (regional especially) to allow for dignified standards of living, decent employment opportunities and services, which will reduce exploitation and allow for healthier integration and acceptance. I don't see why this cannot be accomplished. In saying that, the eventual increase of immigration doesn't seem to be on the SA agenda.
Why should there be an eventual increase in immigration (as distinct from refugee intake)?
I guess the way I see it, with the effects of climate change becoming more and more apparent, we should be looking to take in migrants who will more than likely become refugees sooner or later due to climate processes. I despise what we have done and are doing to our planet, but help and support should be offered to those who live in areas that are going to be decimated by the changes. Whether this is sustainable (population wise) is beyond my understanding and I hope to learn more through discussions such as this one. One things for sure, it will require innovation and investment in technologies (and not the kind spruiked by the current mob).
oxrox wrote:There's work safe looking after safety on work sites etc. Working conditions have never been better from a safety perspective. We don't need unions for that.
Work safe don't provide legal representation to the extent of union if needed. They are not apart of all job sites either. Why do workers still die under their employers. Because short cuts are taken. Exploit for a buck if you can right.
Seen many a fuck up close calls. No work safe to be seen. If you get hurt your on your own unless part of a union. Sad but true. Young men die regularly on Australian worksites. Know many cowboys because they are often in charge of smaller ops.
Unions don't operate on mine sites that seem to have high turn over and preventable deaths in some circumstances. I'd Rather be part of a union than have a cowboy destroy my life through ignorance or greed. Choose who you work for and how you work. It could save your life or another's. Poor practice is poor practice and an accident waiting to happen. Fuck them off if they don't have you best interests at hand. Yes safety can be a cunt. But it ain't a dead body no one wants to take responsibility for.
I might add never wished to be apart of a union until I saw countless other good working non union workers get shafted with no protection or rights. Thrown upon the scrap heap one after the other. Easily replaceable with a new government grant. How are those Qantas workers travelling? Safe work got their futures?
The good Dr . is really sticking it to fraudenberg , he might regret using the MIL as the butt of jokes down at the pub .
Unlike similar programs in other countries, the $88bn JobKeeper program lacked mechanisms to prevent public funds going to companies that didn't need it.
— Dr Monique Ryan MP (@Mon4Kooyong) May 8, 2022
And the recipients were kept secret.
That’s not responsible economic management.
What was @JoshFrydenberg trying to hide? pic.twitter.com/5MDIux9Dxr
oxrox wrote:Never had to deal with thugs in business no. If I did, I would avoid dealing with them again.
That time on site with the black ban, he didn't give a shit if he sent our small business to the wall. Was all about getting money for the union. This was happening repeatedly to people with small business. Some did go to the wall because of unions.
If it wasn't for the LNP taking away some of the unions power it would still be the same. As I said it's a free country. We didn't want to be in a union and neither did the people we employed. We looked after them. Had to give in to the threat and hand over the money to keep the peace.
Does anyone remember I think during the nineties when there was a massive concern about Australia losing too many good people to jobs overseas? One concern was CEO's going overseas to obtain better paying jobs than here.
There was a massive push to maintain these people or the concern we would be left with the dregs. This was the beginning of massive money for CEO's etc. I completely agree it's obscene and unwarranted the money they receive.
What do you propose we then do to change this, when the same money is offered to these people overseas?
Smart Business men don't really need to do dirty work when they can pay thugs to do it for them.
DudeSweetDudeSweet wrote:As said above. Rewards for effort don’t have to be levelled, just a ceiling put on the difference.
The surgeon is only able to achieve his potential because he is able to specialise in his task without worrying about the trains running on time or the sewerage system working. Society is a team. The surgeon would never achieve his skill set without the support and infrastructure provided by everyone around him. The surgeon is not solely responsible for his own success. He is tall as he stands on the shoulders of society. The surgeon was an unproductive child and student for the first thirty years of their life -completely dependent on the toil of those around them to survive. Why should the surgeon be gifted a million times the comfort level of the farmer who fed him his whole life despite the farmer requiring long term skills and confronted by risk themself?
had two major surgery fuck ups would have trusted a known builder to do a better job considering what it cost. Pretty simple on the xray titanium and a few screws how do you fuck that up? Poor hand skills? learning on the job? Fear of blood? Big night out?
Keep paying your union dues then Rob. Free country mate.
I don't want to pay them but without them what have I got. Sweet fuck all. Why is this? And how did both sides make a meal of it. Free but weak. High turnovers don't sound like success stories nor should be seen as such. If your boss is a cunt he's a cunt no excuse. No worker will ever excel under a cunt. Although a cunt boss will excel over a weak worker. Hence why workers walk or join unions. Around and Around it goes. who's your boss and who are your workers? Respect them accordingly. Any thing less is selling yourself or your workers short.
jwithay wrote:I guess the way I see it, with the effects of climate change becoming more and more apparent, we should be looking to take in migrants who will more than likely become refugees sooner or later due to climate processes. I despise what we have done and are doing to our planet, but help and support should be offered to those who live in areas that are going to be decimated by the changes. Whether this is sustainable (population wise) is beyond my understanding and I hope to learn more through discussions such as this one. One things for sure, it will require innovation and investment in technologies (and not the kind spruiked by the current mob).
I'm all for quite large increases in foreign aid but apart from assuaging feelings of guilt, I don't see taking in massive amounts of immigrants (again, as opposed to refugees) is a viable future, at least in environmental terms.
I feel I've had this conversation before with ol' Blindboy.
Early polling opens tomorrow comrades and remember what we say at Trades Hall - vote early vote often!
Take a risk Australia you deserved so much better.
AndyM wrote:I'm all for quite large increases in foreign aid but apart from assuaging feelings of guilt, I don't see taking in massive amounts of immigrants (again, as opposed to refugees) is a viable future, at least in environmental terms.
I feel I've had this conversation before with ol' Blindboy.
Its a fair point regarding guilt, but it could also be seen as responsibility. But even then, responsibility to what...people or the environment (which of course in turn fosters the people). Striking that balance of population and environmental care is a delicate one, and if 70,000 is the number SA puts up they're more qualified than I to make that call, but with an abundance of land in Australia that can be made hospitable through carefully considered policies and technology ideally I don't see why we couldn't have increased intake down the line. Something to work for and toward, rather than just putting up a closed for the future sign (hyperbole). I'm aware this may be naive thinking (and I'm arguing this as a bit of a misanthrope that much prefers being in nature to the artifices of humanity) but I can't help but feel its not my place to say who calls Australia home, and if the country can sustainably offer that to others it should do so. That's why I'm so curious about the SA party. They've chucked a number on the population equation problem of environmental destruction. Its angered some and pleased others, but the racism angle seemed a bit of a cheap shot and I wanted to know if there was more substance to it as their policies align strongly with my thinking and I try research anything before I commit to it.
As for blindboy, I used to see his name around (I've lurked for years on and off, the old pc which I'm using again had this account saved so figured I'd dive back in) and it doesn't surprise me that this conversation has occurred before. How do we conserve what we have, but progress? Whether SA is on the money or not, I'm at least glad one of the parties is looking to have the discussion and offer a solution.
GuySmiley wrote:Early polling opens tomorrow comrades and remember what we say at Trades Hall - vote early vote often!
lol!
Supafreak wrote:The good Dr . is really sticking it to fraudenberg , he might regret using the MIL as the butt of jokes down at the pub . https://twitter.com/mon4kooyong/status/1523158032573931520?s=21&t=YHdrSZ...
Why keep reciepants of Australian tax payers secret from Australian tax payers. Farcical We deserve so much better from our leaders. Egg boy if you are out there we want you. Plenty of eggs.
Robwilliams wrote:Egg boy if you are out there we want you. Plenty of eggs.
Last I heard he was pleading with Joe Rogan to save Australia :S
Newest chook started laying this morning, plenty of eggs here to offer up to the cause.
Ah the humble egg. So many uses.
Egg boy grew up to be an okay egg
https://youtube.com/shorts/FuZO9dMOo1A?feature=share
Labor steams ahead with two weeks to go: poll
Phillip Coorey
Phillip CooreyPolitical editor
May 8, 2022 – 6.00pm
Federal Labor has increased its lead on the back of the Reserve Bank of Australia’s decision to lift interest rates, giving Scott Morrison just two weeks to close a sizeable gap.
With pre-poll voting to start on Monday and the government to ramp up its attack ads, the latest The Australian Financial Review-Ipsos poll shows Labor could win government in its own right if the numbers hold. Labor’s primary vote has inched up 1 percentage point to 35 per cent and the Coalition’s has fallen 3 points to 29 per cent.
The Greens remain steady at 12 per cent, One Nation is on 4 per cent, the United Australia Party is on 3 per cent, others are on 10 per cent and 7 per cent are undecided.
This gives Labor a two-party preferred lead of 52 per cent to 40 per cent for the Coalition, with 8 per cent undecided. That represents a two-party swing towards Labor of 2 points since the last poll a fortnight ago.
If the undecided votes are removed, Labor’s primary vote is 38 per cent, the Coalition’s is 32 per cent and Labor is ahead on a two-party preferred basis by 57 per cent to 43 per cent. That is also 2 points higher than Labor’s 55-45 lead in the last poll.
The latest two-party result, while significantly higher than that being reflected in the polling being undertaken by the major parties, would result in a crushing victory to Labor if replicated on May 21, election day.
The poll finds 47 per cent of voters believe Labor will win the election while just 30 per cent believe the Coalition will secure a fourth term.
The poll of 2311 people was conducted from Wednesday night until Saturday. It has a margin of error of 2.1 per cent. On Tuesday, the day before polling began, for just the second time in history, the RBA increased rates during an election campaign by raising the cash rate from 0.1 per cent to 0.35 per cent.
It also signalled there would be several more to come over the following months. The move exacerbated cost-of-living concerns, which are now the No. 1 issue among voters.
There was widespread confusion behind the reasons for the rate rise. The poll found 33 per cent attributed it to the global economy, 17 per cent blamed the pandemic, 16 per cent blamed the government, 16 per cent blamed the RBA, 7 per cent blamed the war in Ukraine, 7 per cent did now know and 4 per cent cited some other factor.
The fall in support for the Coalition has also been reflected in a loss of personal support for the prime minister.
Mr Morrison’s approval rating fell 2 points to 32 per cent since the last poll a fortnight ago, and his disapproval rose 3 points to 51 per cent, giving him a net negative of 19 points.
Labor leader Anthony Albanese, who officially launched his campaign last Sunday, had little change to his ratings. His approval was 30 per cent and his disapproval rating was 36 per cent, for a net negative of 6 points. He leads Mr Morrison as preferred prime minister by 41 per cent to 36 per cent, an increase of 3 points in a fortnight.
In terms of approval and preferred prime minister, Mr Albanese is in a better position than his predecessor Bill Shorten at the same stage of the last election campaign.
Even so, Mr Albanese remains an unknown quantity to a large number of voters, as he has before and throughout the campaign.
When it comes to his approval and disapproval rating, 34 per cent have no view, compared with just 18 per cent for Mr Morrison.
Mr Morrison remains vastly more unpopular with women voters. In an interview with the Financial Review last week, Mr Morrison was realistic about his prospects but believed the Coalition could still win.
He contended that the voter intent in the polls was softer than it had been in many elections, many had yet to form a view about Mr Albanese, and that the next two weeks would be about driving home to voters the importance of the choice they need to make on May 21.
“People have not made up their mind, and they’re looking to determine what is going to drive their choice,” he said.
“And at the end of the day, that is going to come down to who they think has got the credibility to be able to deal with these (economic) pressures. Because the pressures are real. We’re not at push comes to shove, yet.” While acknowledging the potential for damage from the interest rate rise, the government had hoped that by putting the focus back on the economy at least it would be arguing on its turf.
Mr Morrison sought to offset the impact by appealing to retirees who will benefit from a rate rise. He expanded eligibility for the Commonwealth seniors health card, to help with the cost of living, while freezing deeming rates at pandemic levels, so pensioners could earn more on the savings without having their pension docked.
In the immediate term at least, this has had no impact. https://www.afr.com/politics/federal/labor-steams-ahead-with-two-weeks-t... 
melanie omstead
bad day at work
jwithay wrote:AndyM wrote:I'm all for quite large increases in foreign aid but apart from assuaging feelings of guilt, I don't see taking in massive amounts of immigrants (again, as opposed to refugees) is a viable future, at least in environmental terms.
I feel I've had this conversation before with ol' Blindboy.
Its a fair point regarding guilt, but it could also be seen as responsibility. But even then, responsibility to what...people or the environment (which of course in turn fosters the people). Striking that balance of population and environmental care is a delicate one, and if 70,000 is the number SA puts up they're more qualified than I to make that call, but with an abundance of land in Australia that can be made hospitable through carefully considered policies and technology ideally I don't see why we couldn't have increased intake down the line. Something to work for and toward, rather than just putting up a closed for the future sign (hyperbole). I'm aware this may be naive thinking (and I'm arguing this as a bit of a misanthrope that much prefers being in nature to the artifices of humanity) but I can't help but feel its not my place to say who calls Australia home, and if the country can sustainably offer that to others it should do so. That's why I'm so curious about the SA party. They've chucked a number on the population equation problem of environmental destruction. Its angered some and pleased others, but the racism angle seemed a bit of a cheap shot and I wanted to know if there was more substance to it as their policies align strongly with my thinking and I try research anything before I commit to it.
As for blindboy, I used to see his name around (I've lurked for years on and off, the old pc which I'm using again had this account saved so figured I'd dive back in) and it doesn't surprise me that this conversation has occurred before. How do we conserve what we have, but progress? Whether SA is on the money or not, I'm at least glad one of the parties is looking to have the discussion and offer a solution.
Mate that is quite obviously what hasn’t been done and what needs to be done - have a conversation.
It’s so wrapped up with politics and vested interests, it’s a horror show.
I have no idea what “the number” is but we could at least begin to talk about it, which is something that has been studiously avoided by pretty much everyone.
Odds have moved a fair bit since latest polls. Anyone watch the debate on 9 ? what a fcking rabble, thought they were going to punch on for a minute there . Sky was a better forum and I think 9 lost control , next 2 weeks is going to get dirty . Funny with the “ it won’t be easy under albanese “ adds in tonight’s broadcast , is that the best Scotty from marketing could come up with ? 
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Prime Minister Scott Morrison and Opposition Leader Anthony Albanese clashed bitterly during a heated televised election debate, shouting and accusing each other of misleading voters as the election campaign moves into its crucial final two weeks.
During the debate, in which both leaders vowed at the outset to tell the truth, Albanese declined to guarantee real wages would grow under a Labor government and Morrison declared he had never seen any Coalition MP behave corruptly in Canberra. https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/leaders-debate-2022-morrison-alb... Had to laugh when slomo said he hadn’t seen any corruption from the LNP , looked like a kid who’d been caught with his hand in the cookie jar .
That’s offensive suggesting Scomo hasn’t seen corruption. He’s rather unpleasant isn’t he. Are we all silly. Only Indo off course and Cockee are that ignorant.
Minor Parties prioritize quite a few common policies.
Plenty of opposing Political Rivals unite against Vax Mandates or for Legalized Pot
Some shared popularity is quite surprising & does come over across as definite Policy, not half baked.
tbb is trying to emphasize these are dyed in the wool base policies for years to come! Not going away!
**Most Common Policies *Common enough Polices
First Nation : *Treaty > *Autonomy > *End Youth Incarceration
Govt : **Corruption Watchdog > Bill of Rights
Police : *End Covid Policing ...(Never again!)
Health : **Legalize Medi Cannabis > *No Big Pharma Health interference
Transport : **Speed Rail + Better Rail
o/s : **Cut Foreign Ownership + Oz Made
Utilities : Public owned Electricity
Economy : *Oz Post Bank + **Affordable Home Loan Scheme ( or As one Public Loan Entity )
Aged : **Lower Pension Age > 65 > 60 + No Assets Test + No 50% tax on part work
Youth : *Lower Voting Age to 16 > *Increase Youth Allowance
Education : *More Flexibility (Varied but important) > **Free University for Essential > then ALL.
Areas of contention (No Compromise!)
LGBTQIA > Abortion > No Immigration > End Mining > Gun Rights
*Climate Change was important to most but was lost in translation.
This is exactly where this issue falls apart...all want the same thing but can't come together as one!
Most overly ambitious Policies
APP : (All Cities) Oz Loop Speed Rail ( 3x World's biggest Rail)
A Citizens P : Asian Express (Belt'n'Road) Speed Rail thru Qld Nuke Plants to Dan's backyard Pagoda!
Fusion Party : "Classify Aging as a Disease!" (Not sure if one was ever allowed to say that?)
Greens : Make our Rivers Swimmable by 2030 (Green's Swim School restocks Riverine Shark Reserves)
SAP : Repair Cafe in "Every Town"
ACP : Oppose Uncertain Gender ( Meaning! We'll help end their suffering & repeal all yer gay laws! )
Stick it to the Man / Going for the Jugular / F.U. Policies
One Nation + : Pull out of UN.
VS : No Vax Patents
APP : Tax Religion
Reason : 4 day Working Week
Fusion : No Welfare Card
Fusion + : No Nukes
Australian Citizens Party : No War with China! (Think this is the Chinese Socialist Party!) Serious!
Actually tbb will give our comrades a run...so way out there surfing a parallel Electoral Belt'n'Road!
Load up The Asian Express page...don't ask!
Policy : Our East Coast Rail bypasses Brisbane > Gold Coast > Newcastle > Sydney > Canberra...WTF.
https://citizensparty.org.au/policies/infrastructure/high-speed-rail
Thanks for clarifying your position on everything TBB. I’m so glad I don’t have to guess anymore.
seeds wrote:That’s offensive suggesting Scomo hasn’t seen corruption. He’s rather unpleasant isn’t he. Are we all silly. Only Indo off course and Cockee are that ignorant.
How does get fucked sound?
So I watched, as much as I stomach at least, the great debate last night. What a nadir in journalism from nine-infotainment. A lightweight panel of status quo political apologists (David Crowe hang your head in shame) and zero moderation from some unknown lackey all added up to the expected shitfight that execs at nine would say was great television.
Little wonder Shouty refuses to appear on the ABC with mates at Murdoch and Nine who needs balanced and considered journalism.
Look at his face , he’s not lying ( again ) is he ? Like a little boy caught out , bloody hilarious.
The breadth and depth of this lie, so breezily answered, will be remembered more than anything else in last night’s episode of Red Faces. #leadersdebate #ausvotes22 pic.twitter.com/SaVrDRtn51
— Rhys Muldoon (@rhysam) May 8, 2022
Is this for real? Seems so.
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GuySmiley wrote:So I watched, as much as I stomach at least, the great debate last night. What a nadir in journalism from nine-infotainment. A lightweight panel of status quo political apologists (David Crowe hang your head in shame) and zero moderation from some unknown lackey all added up to the expected shitfight that execs at nine would say was great television.
Little wonder Shouty refuses to appear on the ABC with mates at Murdoch and Nine who needs balanced and considered journalism.
+1 n regards to the above.
Cementing my encouragement for people to look at the independents for something closer to home and a little deeper. Take a risk Australia, sometime you got to force change when it stagnates or can't be delivered. Change takes time but true commitment is what counts. It starts with us.
seeds knows it's illegal for tbb & a million more to Vote.
Still get the Flyers & have already voted endless times in infinite Electoral Phone Polls.
Last night's Lib Poll Robot was brutal...pure [L] Bullying of tbb.
This Poll was full on > Ultra desperate bang bang bang like a popgun > [L] Pushers...
Kinda Like ALBO Q&A > Ready! Your time starts now! Robots can go faster than us...Press 1437659964
Wouldn't accept unsure > Wot if > Sky was falling > If you really had to choose > Would you go there...
All were lead Questions (Baiting) or Bulling at fast pace to extract max info toward [L] [LNP] Survival.
tbb nervously mucked up his answers & actually [pressed 1 or was it 2] to Vote for the [L] Queen Bee.
Reckon tbb needs a new key pad....
Queen Bee is (Karen Andrews-Home Affairs) She' over 60 but her Billboards show her aged 16.
Already fought off Dutto to keep her seat & would beat him again for leadership! Easy!
Rock Solid Locked in! If she lost then Libs are gone for good!
Poll Votes are fair dinkum Votes > No Do overs! Result is Final...No Dick Pics Mastermind Challenge!
tbb feels he was violated by [L] Phone Pollsters..
Never asked for permission, just straight in there...already hard at it before tbb was aware of the assault.
Couldn't get to sleep & woke up feeling all dirty... (No. Not exploiting ME 2. This was a Dirty Phone Call)
A good dose of Retail Therapy is said to cure impulsive Voting fatigue.
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(Ltd Ed?) may yet be withdrawn from sale due to price gouging or taking the piss or both!
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Totally Weird Merch with no connection to the Election or reality!
Free? GAP Cleaner ( Never says what it is or where to get it...just gotta add a dash to everything?)
Not even sure if everyone has already bought it or even needs it, but feel hopeless without it!
Electoral Elixir
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Bonus Credits Jingle : Green Ant requested Josh's Pet Galah (Turn it up...no...down, down, down!)
One of the less expected moments at @JoshFrydenberg’s campaign launch today. pic.twitter.com/L9GF2ey9p8
— Blake Johnson (@BlakeJohnson) May 1, 2022
Wot! C'mon tbb...we know yer hidin' the good shit...busted!
Ok! For those that stayed after the show!
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A FEW GOOD DEBATES
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A couple months old but very much relevant to the thread and great listening. I have paraphrased below.
https://www.abc.net.au/radionational/programs/bigideas/policy-drift/1380...
Talks about the 3 structural shifts in politics that is hampering policy reform over the last 20 years.
1.Political cartels thirst for power and jobs
2.The changes in how we are governed. Ministers and ministerial service has more power than it used to and the public service has much less.
3.The media - much less journalists. Each journo having to cover a larger areas. Pressured to cover more stories / more and the use of social media to reach audiences which is inherently less analytic. i.e click bait
Describes the Political cartels phenomena as such:
"It’s not just Cartels of political parties but cartels of factions within those political parties in which they are only worried about providing power to other people in the faction. So it’s a - 'if I look after you, you will look after me - we will both end up with nice jobs, we will both end up being powerful'. Its much less about here are some social ills that which we must fix."
On independents:
'We are seeing more community supported independents being brought into and running for parliament.
What characterises these new independents (e.g. Voices for) is their connectiveness to the community and how focussed they are on policy and that distinguishes them from the cartel of parliamentarians"
On the professionalisation of the political class
"About 1/2 our parliamentarians before they came into parliament were ministerial advisors, or union reps or the like. No life experience. Very different to the past when they came from other walks of life - often very senior on those walks of life. Had actually managed something….. Many cases large firms with hundreds of people. As opposed to a ministerial advisor when you haven't actually managed anything… and now they are suddenly thrust into a ministerial portfolio"
bonza wrote:On the professionalisation of the political class
"About 1/2 our parliamentarians before they came into parliament were ministerial advisors, or union reps or the like. No life experience. Very different to the past when they came from other walks of life - often very senior on those walks of life. Had actually managed something….. Many cases large firms with hundreds of people. As opposed to a ministerial advisor when you haven't actually managed anything… and now they are suddenly thrust into a ministerial portfolio"
I especially love this bit. What are the minimum mandatory qualifications for a federal MP? None, as per below.
'In order to be eligible to become a Member of the House of Representatives a person must:
have reached the age of 18 years;
be an Australian citizen; and
be an elector, or qualified to become an elector, who is entitled to vote in a House of Representatives election.[12]'
What are the minimum mandatory qualifications to become a minister? Again, none. The below link is a bit older but lists MPs and their education level. Some examples are shown where the minister's education or experience has nothing to do with the portfolio being managed.
https://www.torrens.edu.au/blog/what-degrees-ministers-australia-have-an...
The leader of our country who ever it is. Is a bit like a battering ram or figure head on the front of a old sail ship. The crew put their faith in it as it leads them through stormy seas. If they loose that faith they either die or jump ship. You could say people have lost faith in our political figure heads. Jumped ship or are willing to follow their figure head to a watery grave. we need new figure heads that provide faith in the seas to come. Take a risk. Disturb the hive. Restore some faith. Try something new. Steer our own ship. Or throw ourselves to the rocks. Because our faith in our recent figure heads has not been enough.
“Doublethink means the power of holding two contradictory beliefs in one's mind simultaneously, and accepting both of them.”
George Orwell, 1984
Just wow. Here we are philosophising things when in fact, solutions should be simple. It’s not about wether one is right/left or any of that nonsense. It’s about closing holes in the system. Once we do that we can move into bigger things. I think we can all agree that it’s leaking everywhere.
https://www.smartcompany.com.au/finance/fraud/ato-tax-office-goes-after-...
Swellnet Minor Parties Review (Final)
Part 1 Legalizing Cannabis (Unusual cross party Platform)
https://www.swellnet.com/comment/829058
Part 2 Common Policies
Part 3 Gift Shop
Part 4 Preferences
2022 Minor Parties constantly Poll 30% of Primary Vote ( Record Amount)
tbb once again thought to check their rise and where mass preferences flow.
Review led to a few Blocs that Vote or Preference as one larger entity!
These Larger entities do seek Power in the Senate Mostly!
Crew would be right to believe Corps are backing these Voting Blocs.
Yes! Foreign Corps of the largest influence above all Governments.
Anyhow! We'll push on with who gets a kickin' & who get's the nod.
6 pack of Independents refuse to partake in preference deals.
Indigenous / Seniors / Cannabis Party / APP / SAP + self named senators.
Review of remaining 20 Party's Preferences
Before we brand Left / Right we'll do a quick run thru of winners & losers
Review exposes 5 +1 clear Parties that are often Loved & or Hated.
(5-12 Candidates 'Middle' default cut off) Results in 1-3 rank of First / Last)
Data records most common 2nd > 4th (< Middle >) 3rd last > Last
Crew will see that most of these Party's action bosses either side of Middle.
Rarely do these Parties hold middle ground apart from Libs (Obviously)
One Nation 2nd 3x > 3rd 1x > 4th 2x (Middle Avg) 2nd Last 3x > Last 6x
UAP 2nd 2x > 3rd 4x > 4th 2x (Middle) 2nd Last 5x > Last 1x
Liberal 2nd 1x > 3rd 1x > 4th 1x (Larger Middle) 3rd Last 2x > 2nd Last 1x
ALP 2nd 1x > 3rd 3x (Middle) 3rd Last 3x > 2nd Last 5x > Last 4x
Greens 2nd 5x (Smallest Middle) 3rd Last 1x > 2nd Last 2x > Last *10x
This table should show how unaccounted preferences flow!
Important! Cities vote with independent Authority but regions play the card.
Most regional minor parties are influencing the city vote in record levels.
Vote count is worth highest from left >(Middle) less to nothing on right
One Nation 6 > (5) > 9
UAP 8 > (4) > 8
Libs 3 > (14) > 3
ALP 4 > (4) > 12
Greens 5 >(2) >13
Total Counting Review...
One Nation starts great then fades as count continues to slight kick
UAP takes lions share of early preferences but then backs down faster to slight kick
Liberal's small boost grows & grows and only fades towards the end.
ALP gets a slight bump ahead of Libs then backs down to a dying flip kick.
Greens grab a quick Headline then fade from view to small consolation kicker.
News should read minors UAP / One Nation / Greens upset apple cart!
As dust settles Libs nervously gain on ALP & threaten to pull ahead.
Only then do tail end Alp / Green preferences breathe life into ALP.
Animal Justice Party > Last *6x (This is obviously political bastardization!)
*Anomalies were allocated from the same "Right Wing" Bully Block
Libs / Nat / LD / JLN / KAP / One Nation ( Brazilian Butcher's Playmates)
https://www.abc.net.au/4corners/the-butchers-from-brazil:-the-corporate-...
Locking out Animal Rights / Green reviews of Blackrock foodstock takeover.
Josh signed over Oz Beef / Salmon to his Evil Blackrock pet Monsters JBS.
Vanguard / Black Rock have already won the election...not much point is it!
Ultimate bitch fest may play out before the cameras if things get heated.
When & where there is no Deer in the headlights (Animal Justice Party)
Both Scream Queens put the other DEAD last...lot of tension here!
Jacqui vs Pauline might be on...all the How 2 Votes have scripted this duel.
Katter has thrown his hat in the ring & looks the Likely Ref to cool it down!
Greens / One Nation are Major Minor Parties, as such are targets from all sides.
Any minor party must first knock of Greens / One Nation to have a crack!
Eg: Reborn Democrats preference both Greens / One Nation last. (No sweat!)
UAP looks set to take a chunk outta one of them or both.
Big Party > Lib preference count advantage...
Libs preference 2 One Nation > 3 UAP + ALP 2nd last > Last Greens Last
ALP preference 2 Greens > Libs Middle + UAP 2nd Last > One Nation Last
Preference count will clearly drift toward Libs as counting progresses.
Crew can see & decide what constitutes a sellout to hold onto power!
tbb is not sure if this Minor Party series holds more secrets!
Series stemmed from the uprising & deserved recognition...happy to share!
flollo wrote:What are the minimum mandatory qualifications to become a minister? Again, none. The below link is a bit older but lists MPs and their education level. Some examples are shown where the minister's education or experience has nothing to do with the portfolio being managed.
https://www.torrens.edu.au/blog/what-degrees-ministers-australia-have-an...
The irony of that article is that the number 2 qualification is an arts degree, which the LNP just doubled the cost of.
If you want to shape and grow a country (or in our case, divide a country) one of the most effective ways to do it is to decide who can access a decent education. Also we've had cuts to trade based training over the years as well
The Gonski Report was clear, give funding to areas that need it the most. Instead the Australian system is giving millions of dollars to some of the wealthiest schools in the country whose students are the wealthiest in the land, while other public schools in lower socio economic areas are missing out.
If you don't think that the LNP education policy is pure ideology then check this comment out from Stuart Roberts, the education minister (...oh wait wasn't Alan Tudge the education minister?...where's Alan?)
"Mr Robert, however, told the ABC it was "lovely" that more parents were choosing Catholic schools. "The fastest-growing school system right now is very low-fee Catholic education," he said.
"It's an education based on faith and values."
Not like the heathen plebs in public schools hey?
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-05-10/education-australia-coalition-lab...
did I miss something? has @info been given one of @stu's little rests? unless I've been particularly unobservant I haven't seen the lil guy post for a few days now, most unlike him ....
https://sydneyreviewofbooks.com/essay/amen-snorter-rotten-fish/
"Morrison has led what may well be the most indolent, nasty, bumbling, dishonest, cynical and corrupt federal government in Australian history. In his term as prime minister, he has failed to achieve a single lasting reform for the long-term betterment of Australian society.
He failed even to propose one. He has proved himself, over and over again, to be an abuser of executive power, a substantive policy vacuum, and a legislator of surpassing ineptitude. His ideological stance is little better than a collection of antipathies pursued in a spirit of vindictiveness. He is as dogmatic as he is shallow.
The keynotes of his time in office have been rampant cronyism, industrial scale rorting for partisan ends, the funnelling of vast sums of public money into the coffers of private vested interests, deliberate undermining of public institutions, and an evident distaste for the very thought that the federal government should use any of the vast resources at its disposal to help anyone who actually needs help.
On these points, Morrison has been absolutely consistent. The major catastrophes of bushfires, floods and the pandemic have done nothing to alter his basic stance. Faced with the spectacle of his fellow citizens in desperate need, Morrison has responded in ways that are belated, inadequate, grudging and skewed — every single time.
The defining feature of his political career is that he always seeks to use his position of power to disadvantage and, in many cases, actively punish sections of the populace he regards with disfavour."
James Ley lays it out.
More from the article above
"Of course, trying to parse Morrison’s public statements is something of a fool’s errand. He has never shown any interest in what words actually mean, or even the conventional ordering of their syllables. He has a fair claim to the title of the most inarticulate Australian political leader since Joh Bjelke-Petersen — and that is up against some stiff competition. Transcripts of his press conferences present a stupefying wasteland of ungrammatical babble. He struggles to get through a sentence without garbling at least one word. He is the only member of the most recent parliament whose mush-mouthed outpourings reliably overtop the tremulous illiteracies of One Nation senator Pauline Hanson, the authentic frontier gibberish of Queensland independent Bob Katter, and the slurred ramblings of his notoriously flatulent deputy Barnaby Joyce. For Morrison, words are just distracting noises that come out of a hole in his head. They are not connected to any logic or fact or principle. They are not constrained by anything he has said or done in the past, nor do they commit him to any future course of action. To expect otherwise is to make a categorical error. Morrison’s political career provides no grounds for believing that he will ever give a straight answer to any question, offer a cogent and consistent argument, explain himself in any way, or do anything he says he will do. He has never baulked at any hypocrisy, small or large. He speaks in order to make the very act of questioning him an exercise in futility, addressing no concrete reality beyond the immediate imperative to generate static. It is a form of anti-oratory: the rhetorical equivalent of avoiding an awkward conversation by starting up a leaf blower."
Fliplid wrote:flollo wrote:What are the minimum mandatory qualifications to become a minister? Again, none. The below link is a bit older but lists MPs and their education level. Some examples are shown where the minister's education or experience has nothing to do with the portfolio being managed.
https://www.torrens.edu.au/blog/what-degrees-ministers-australia-have-an...
The irony of that article is that the number 2 qualification is an arts degree, which the LNP just doubled the cost of.
If you want to shape and grow a country (or in our case, divide a country) one of the most effective ways to do it is to decide who can access a decent education. Also we've had cuts to trade based training over the years as well
The Gonski Report was clear, give funding to areas that need it the most. Instead the Australian system is giving millions of dollars to some of the wealthiest schools in the country whose students are the wealthiest in the land, while other public schools in lower socio economic areas are missing out.
If you don't think that the LNP education policy is pure ideology then check this comment out from Stuart Roberts, the education minister (...oh wait wasn't Alan Tudge the education minister?...where's Alan?)
"Mr Robert, however, told the ABC it was "lovely" that more parents were choosing Catholic schools. "The fastest-growing school system right now is very low-fee Catholic education," he said.
"It's an education based on faith and values."
Not like the heathen plebs in public schools hey?
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-05-10/education-australia-coalition-lab...
We could talk about education for days. Private schools are so expensive and I still can't see a clear-cut benefit. Also, the curriculum is so weird. For example, so few students study maths in high school (I don't even know how this is possible). Just google it, there are plenty of articles about it. I went to school in Europe and there were no options to choose some of these things, we had around 15 subjects in high school. Maths, history, geography + few others were always compulsory.
It is also shocking how many kids don't finish high school in Australia. My mother would die in shame if I didn't finish high school.
It's ok if we want to keep going this way but then let's not complain when technical, specialist roles get filled in by migrants. I interviewed and hired for many technical roles over the years and they were always migrants. There were less than a handful of Australian-born, Anglo-Saxon heritage candidates even shortlisted for an interview, and never had any experience or education. They are more interested in selling real estate and when that slows down, move to sell insurance or Herbalife kinda things...
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