Australia - you're standing in it

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Sheepdog started the topic in Friday, 18 Sep 2020 at 11:51am

The "I can't believe it's not politics" thread.

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indo-dreaming Wednesday, 10 Nov 2021 at 6:22pm
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If it's not proposed for the pension why have the gov put 20 pensioners on cashless welfare cards as a trial?

https://cpsa.org.au/article/20-age-pensioners-on-cashless-welfare-card-w...

Because im sure it would be an option that pensioners could take up, because many pensioners would sign up so they didnt have to worry about budgeting so much.

To make it mandatory for pensioners would obviously be political suicide.

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zenagain Wednesday, 10 Nov 2021 at 6:43pm

I didn't miss your post yesterday Indo I just think there are other ways and ways that are a lot more dignified.

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blackers Thursday, 11 Nov 2021 at 9:27am

"Don't do government" by our mate Scott.
Dont-do

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happyppl Thursday, 11 Nov 2021 at 9:35am

indo, this card thing and privatiseing of is just another case of createing cushy jobs for the ruleing classes rellies and mates et all...nepotism and cronyism, their children are being educated to walk into some beauracratic waste of space "job".
just curious, are u a govt employee or work for a contractor beholding to govt? or rellies and mates ditto? (non of my business,)
had lots of dealings with workcover, worksafe, environmental protect authority and ALL had same mindset, i would produce acts of parliament etc to prove my point and they would ignore it and in one case deliberately and illegally change the legislation to suit the multinats and insurers with the conivance of lawyers and unions, no bull.
i've mentioned it on previous posts this nepotism and cronyism is rife in oz and it breeds corruption.

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indo-dreaming Thursday, 11 Nov 2021 at 11:22am

Sure

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happyppl Thursday, 11 Nov 2021 at 12:02pm

sarcasm?

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Blowin Thursday, 11 Nov 2021 at 12:07pm

Not much point blaming the LNP for the welfare card. It’s just the latest instalment in the top-down neoliberalism which the global cabal have imposed since the 80’s. The local Australian pollies are just the branch managers for the vassal state of Australia. Our government is nothing more than the corrupt Sherrif of Notingham to the globalist’s King Richard.

Have you ever wondered why neoliberalism and the way Western nations are governed has evolved in perfect harmony and synchronicity over the decades? Coincidence….lol.

Example : The IMF ( unelected globalist institution ) has showed its hand as an instrument of the neoliberal global cabal for years. When they lend money to unstable nations they impose all kinds of wholesome conditions such as when they told Mexico they had to raise University fees, when they told Haiti they had to cap their minimum wage and when they told Tanzania they had to sell their water utility to a private company…..or else they wouldn’t get the loan which would be spent how the IMF tells them to spend it and with the companies the IMF tells them to deal with.

Sound familiar?

Australia is told what to do by international interests. That’s why the ALP abandoned the working class and followed the globalists favourite pled-distraction of identity politics. They had to or face another Gough moment! Albo would rather destroy Australian living standards through the neoliberal mass immigration Ponzi scheme than have to find a job outside of politics.

Anyway….the Indue card is just the start. It’ll dovetail with the Digitsl ID introduced in the Trojan horse of the vaccine passport and the social credit system, which is exactly what the Indue card represents, will be rolled out for the entire society alongside the universal basic income.

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jshe35 Thursday, 11 Nov 2021 at 12:32pm

It's now up to
$40 billion of Jobkeeper given to businesses that actually made profit during the pandemic....
Whoops.. no claw back provision at all.. 'our bad'... as if! Tax cuts are always hard to get through for businesses so why not just give them our cash directly.... Labor too scared to do anything for fear of creating another negative gearing, oldies and their super scenario.
Once in a lifetime cash grab that us working suckers will be paying for, for a long, long time. The rest is chickenfeed....
https://www.afr.com/rear-window/jobkeeper-wasted-40-billion-not-27-billi...

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stunet Thursday, 11 Nov 2021 at 12:37pm
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It's now up to
$40 billion of Jobkeeper given to businesses that actually made profit during the pandemic....
Whoops.. no claw back provision at all.. 'our bad'... as if! Tax cuts are always hard to get through for businesses so why not just give them our cash directly.... Labor too scared to do anything for fear of creating another negative gearing, oldies and their super scenario.
Once in a lifetime cash grab that us working suckers will be paying for, for a long, long time. The rest is chickenfeed....
https://www.afr.com/rear-window/jobkeeper-wasted-40-billion-not-27-billi...

Better economic managers.

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Supafreak Thursday, 11 Nov 2021 at 1:45pm

I like the heading of that article “JobKeeper wasted $40 billion, not $27 billion, but who’s counting? “ Just waiting for Josh to say “ yeah but I saved the taxpayer 70 billion on handouts didn’t I ? “

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Blowin Thursday, 11 Nov 2021 at 2:20pm

+From the totally bodacious Macrobusiness website, dude.
Love the picture! Fits in with the completely-not-authoritarianism tone of Aussie politics.

Victorian Bar fights Dictator Dan’s pandemic power grab
By Unconventional Economist
The Victorian Bar – the professional association of barristers – has urged the state government to reconsider its controversial new pandemic laws which would grant the Andrews Government “unlimited, unreviewable power”.

Amongst other things, it has expressed concern that the Department of Health could exercise its new powers under the legislation without sufficient oversight by parliament.

Sixty barristers have in turn signed an open letter in which they warn that the legislation would enable the government to effectively rule the state by decree for the foreseeable future.

The bill was passed by the lower house in October and will require the support of at least three crossbenchers in the upper house.

From The Australian:

Some of Melbourne’s most prominent legal figures are among 60 QCs who have now signed an open letter expressing concern that the Andrews government’s pandemic legislation could allow the Premier to “rule the state of Victoria by decree”.

Signatories of the letter, first circulated late last month, now include Black Saturday bushfires royal commissioner Jack Rush QC, former chief crown prosecutor Gavin Silbert SC and former IBAC deputy commissioner Andrew Kirkham QC.

The new signatures come as the Victorian Bar renewed its calls for the Andrews government to reconsider the controversial legislation, warning the bill would provide “grossly insufficient parliamentary supervision” over the power it will grant the health minister to exercise…

The Bar’s 12-page submission to the health department’s expert reference group on the bill comes after the legislation passed the Lower House last month, 51 votes to 26.

While Labor holds 55 of 88 Lower House seats, it is expected to gain the required support of at least three crossbenchers to pass the legislation in the Upper House later this month.

The open letter expresses grave concern that the bill, if passed, “may allow the Victorian government effectively to rule the State of Victoria by decree for the foreseeable future, without proper parliamentary oversight or the usual checks and balances on executive power.”

The QCs state in their letter that the bill would effectively confer “an unlimited and practically unreviewable power” on the state’s health minister.

“The minister can make a pandemic order while a “pandemic declaration” made by the Premier is in force. Given the low threshold for the making of this declaration (s 165AB) and the fact that COVID-19 is unlikely to be going away any time soon, we can expect a pandemic declaration to be in force for the foreseeable future,” the QCs argued.

Earlier this week, the Victorian Bar released a summary of its submission to the Victorian Government, which labels the laws grossly undemocratic and calls for fundamental reform:

The essence of the Victorian Bar’s concern is that the Bill seeks to take powers that were intended to be used for a very limited period of up to six months in an unforeseen emergency, and to entrench them as the ordinary method of dealing with pandemic diseases over extended periods.

The Victorian Bar emphasises that the rule of law, the sovereignty of Parliament and the checks and balances of our democratic Westminster system of government must be respected, even in times of emergency or crisis. While broad emergency powers that circumscribe ordinary checks and balances of our democracy may be justified to deal with an unforeseen crisis in the short term, they are not appropriate for the management of risks over extended periods…

The Victorian Bar believes that the Bill provides grossly insufficient Parliamentary supervision over the Minister’s exercise of that power…

The Victorian Bar recommends that the Bill be amended so that:

The power of Parliament to disallow a pandemic order, in whole or part, is not conditional on the recommendation of SARC or any other body;
Disallowance be by passing a motion in either House of Parliament, in accordance with the ordinary process under the Subordinate Legislation Act 1994; and
There is protection for persons who are alleged to have failed to comply with a pandemic order that is subsequently disallowed…
[The Bill] authorises extreme limitations of basic liberties of all Victorians and confers enormous powers on the executive. It is among the most important pieces of legislation to come before the Victorian Parliament in decades.

Serious concerns about the Bill have been raised publicly by a number of legal organisations, including the Victorian Bar.

The Victorian Bar urges the government to delay the introduction of the Bill into the upper house, so as to seriously consider the issues that have been raised, and make amendments to the Bill.

The Victorian Bar is ready to provide further assistance to ensure that this Bill better upholds rule of law.

Victoria is the closest thing in Australia to a ‘one party state’. One party states breed authoritarian leaders like Daniel Andrews, who also happens to be in bed with the CCP (as evidenced by his ‘Belt & Road’ deal).

The situation will only change when Victorians wake up and vote this guy out. Sadly, despite the world’s longest lockdown, Australia’s worst COVID outcomes, and heavy-handed tactics by the police, Victorians seem to be afflicted with a bad case of Stockholm Syndrome.

The fact that the Victorian Liberal Party is utterly useless is also not helping the situation. Victoria desperately needs a strong opposition

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gsco Thursday, 11 Nov 2021 at 2:30pm

Bodacious is stretching it a bit...

But I think Australia needs to start stripping back and repealing all the emergency powers passed over the past 18 months, instead of introducing new and stronger ones...

So the picture is fitting.

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Blowin Thursday, 11 Nov 2021 at 2:41pm

Hey Gsco

If I’ve got an idea for an but zero idea how to get one created, how would I go about it you reckon?

Import a sea container full of Indian IT experts?

Seriously….I’ve got a concept which will make me richer than Bezos. I’m talking solid gold matching tracksuit style opulence.

PS….the picture is a pisser!

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bonza Thursday, 11 Nov 2021 at 2:46pm

yeah but what abut the pink bats.

"The ABC has obtained documents showing McGrath Estate Agents banked over 4 million dollars in JobKeeper assistance, half of which was delivered during a year in which the company made more money than the previous five years combined"

https://www.abc.net.au/radio/programs/pm/mcgrath-real-estate-banked-$4m-in-jobkeeper/13623602

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Blowin Thursday, 11 Nov 2021 at 2:55pm
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Hey Gsco

If I’ve got an idea for a website but zero idea how to get one created, how would I go about it you reckon?

Import a sea container full of Indian IT experts?

Seriously….I’ve got a concept which will make me richer than Bezos. I’m talking solid gold matching tracksuit style opulence.

PS….the picture is a pisser!

I left out a pretty important word

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gsco Thursday, 11 Nov 2021 at 3:06pm

lol yes why not, I hear there's 300,000 coming your way real soon

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Blowin Thursday, 11 Nov 2021 at 3:30pm

That’s why the globalists from the US all the way to Australia are now crying over the need to censor harmful “misinformation” from the internet.

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Blowin Thursday, 11 Nov 2021 at 3:37pm

Gsco…I was serious.

I’ve got an idea for an App but feel like Jed Clampet trying to drill his own oil well.

I just want the Beverly Hills, movie stars and swimming pools!

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gsco Thursday, 11 Nov 2021 at 6:07pm

Blowin, Maybe not really possible to answer your question based on the info you’ve given.

Depends on what you want to do and what kinds of (front and back end) functionality and capabilities you’d need.

You’d prob want to discuss your idea with some trusted friends who have backgrounds in web/app development, and software engineering more generally (possibly after having them sign non-disclosure and/or non-compete agreements).

There’s lots of online resources to learn a bit of coding targeted at web development in languages like HTML, CSS, JavaScript, PHP, etc. My favourite is https://www.w3schools.com/

There's also lots of websites for people with no real coding backgrounds to enable them to build their own websites, such as https://wordpress.com/

You could also try some googling and reading of job ads etc to see the kinds of backgrounds and experience people tend to have in this area.

Mine is in maths, machine learning, statistics, and numerical/scientific/high-performance computing (in say Python, R, C++, Stata, Matlab, Julia, etc), so not general software engineering or app/web development. In my previous roles I always worked with teams of people that included dedicated (full stack) software engineers and data architects/engineers.

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JQ Thursday, 11 Nov 2021 at 6:26pm
Blowin wrote:

That’s why the globalists from the US all the way to Australia are now crying over the need to censor harmful “misinformation” from the internet.

https://twitter.com/JackPosobiec/status/1458508151389622277?s=20

To clarify though of course, twitter and facebook can't ban anyone from crowdsourcing - they don't own the internet. As private companies they are not obliged to let you use their services in ways they don't like.

They are also not 'censoring', as private companies they are free to dictate what they put up on their platforms.

Perhaps the free speech warriors would prefer the government dictate what these private companies publish.

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sypkan Thursday, 11 Nov 2021 at 6:47pm

"Perhaps the free speech warriors would prefer the government dictate what these private companies publish."

given the closeness of facebook and the democrat party, and the milions and millions zuckerberg poured into getting them elected and basically buying pelosi...

isn't this essentially what we are seeing?

'fascism' by one definition...

mussolini's no less...

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JQ Thursday, 11 Nov 2021 at 7:06pm
sypkan wrote:

"Perhaps the free speech warriors would prefer the government dictate what these private companies publish."

given the closeness of facebook and the democrat party, and the milions and millions zuckerberg poured into getting them elected and basically buying pelosi...

isn't this essentially what we are seeing?

'fascism' by one definition...

mussolini's no less...

One could certainly make such an argument, but it is hardly limited to the democrats - and I certainly wouldn't trust your assessment of this. This is a feature of US 'democracy', it's what end stage capitalism looks like. Consider the ties between the largest cable tv network and the Republican party, or the various corporate mega donors.

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Fliplid Thursday, 11 Nov 2021 at 8:38pm
Constance B Gibson wrote:

Achievements Of The Coalition Government

A comprehensive list of (almost) everything the current Australian government has done since Abbott. In reverse order. Latest to first. 964 things and counting.
https://www.mdavis.xyz/govlist/

We need a biblical flood to flush these turds out of office

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gragagan Friday, 12 Nov 2021 at 12:13am
Constance B Gibson wrote:

Achievements Of The Coalition Government

A comprehensive list of (almost) everything the current Australian government has done since Abbott. In reverse order. Latest to first. 964 things and counting.

https://www.mdavis.xyz/govlist/

Thanks for posting. It's a long read haha

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blindboy Friday, 12 Nov 2021 at 9:41am

Why buy nuclear subs? They provide backdoor entry to the nuclear power industry.
https://thebulletin.org/2021/11/australian-uk-us-nuclear-submarine-deal-...

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soggydog Friday, 12 Nov 2021 at 9:50am
gragagan wrote:
Constance B Gibson wrote:

Achievements Of The Coalition Government

A comprehensive list of (almost) everything the current Australian government has done since Abbott. In reverse order. Latest to first. 964 things and counting.

https://www.mdavis.xyz/govlist/

Thanks for posting. It's a long read haha

And it’s not over yet

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AndyM Friday, 12 Nov 2021 at 9:54am
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Why buy nuclear subs? They provide backdoor entry to the nuclear power industry.
https://thebulletin.org/2021/11/australian-uk-us-nuclear-submarine-deal-...

Yeah that was always a concern.

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synchrodogcal Friday, 12 Nov 2021 at 9:55am
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Prime Minister Scott Morrison says he doesn’t believe he’s told a lie in public life

When asked by 3AW radio host Neil Mitchell if he had ever told a lie in public life, Mr Morrison replied: “I don’t believe I have, no. No.”

https://www.theage.com.au/politics/federal/scott-morrison-says-he-doesn-...

oh dear

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soggydog Friday, 12 Nov 2021 at 10:17am

Interviewer: Prime Minister, what is your favourite public lie.

Scott Morrison: I don’t believe I’ve ever told lie in public.

Interviewer: Ha! That’s my favourite too.

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Supafreak Friday, 12 Nov 2021 at 10:36am

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blackers Friday, 12 Nov 2021 at 1:23pm

Hah, thats just a little creepy Super.
Unfortunately this is also on the money.
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Supafreak Friday, 12 Nov 2021 at 1:27pm
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I focus Friday, 12 Nov 2021 at 1:49pm
blindboy wrote:

Why buy nuclear subs? They provide backdoor entry to the nuclear power industry.
https://thebulletin.org/2021/11/australian-uk-us-nuclear-submarine-deal-...

Realistically the subs will become nuclear armed at some point the as built will be fit for the purpose,

As for nuclear energy 20 to 30 year time line that's before you get to uranium processing which Australia doesn't have the technology for and the price is astronomical.

However nuclear energy becomes viable (all extremely astronomical expensive) if you go nuclear weapons.

Note current governments rhetoric on China points to nuclear weapons.

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velocityjohnno Friday, 12 Nov 2021 at 3:00pm
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Why buy nuclear subs? They provide backdoor entry to the nuclear power industry.

Tactically and strategically they are a massive leap in capability and operational tempo. Even without nuclear weapons. See: HMS Conqueror in 1982 - sent the Argentine navy back to port for the duration of the conflict.

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velocityjohnno Friday, 12 Nov 2021 at 3:08pm

Some backgound info, very very good channel. He has an AUKUS one up now, haven't had time to view it yet tho

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gsco Friday, 12 Nov 2021 at 6:56pm

Keating is one of the few people making sense when it comes to China and our place in the region in which we live.

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sypkan Friday, 12 Nov 2021 at 7:24pm

"Quoting himself at some length from an old speech was indulgent, the riffling through a pile of stapled notes distracting and the words didn’t always come quickly – not as easily as they used to, sometimes they had to be sought – but the words still came and were worth waiting for."

yep, ...and he also looked like he is still living in 1989...

the questions from the gallery were a little lacking too

but yeh, if you're looking for a plan for the 90's... keating is your man!

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I focus Friday, 12 Nov 2021 at 7:39pm

Watched Keating at the press club, Australian politics is poorer without him.

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I focus Friday, 12 Nov 2021 at 7:40pm
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"Quoting himself at some length from an old speech was indulgent, the riffling through a pile of stapled notes distracting and the words didn’t always come quickly – not as easily as they used to, sometimes they had to be sought – but the words still came and were worth waiting for."

yep, ...and he also looked like he is still living in 1989...

the questions from the gallery were a little lacking too

but yeh, if you're looking for a plan for the 90's... keating is your man!

Of course the current plan includes EV's stealing your weekend...

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sypkan Friday, 12 Nov 2021 at 10:49pm

"Of course the current plan includes EV's stealing your weekend..."

not sure what that has to do with anything?

"Watched Keating at the press club, Australian politics is poorer without him."

I agree... hence me including this in my quote...

"....and the words didn’t always come quickly – not as easily as they used to, sometimes they had to be sought – but the words still came and were worth waiting for.""

doesn't change the fact that the world has fundamentally changed since keating's vision...

and while I totally agreed with him on some things... it would have been good to see the journalists actually challenge some of his dated dogma...

it was a very polite crowd... and even stan grant felt the need to mention as such in the follow up show...

it isn't just morrison that has changed the settings with china post corona, essentially the whole world has... and not every one of those countries are run by no clue right wing shameless ad men... quite the opposite...

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velocityjohnno Saturday, 13 Nov 2021 at 4:37pm

Back to the subs, had a chance to watch it, it's about the best in-depth coverage on the issue I've seen. Strategically patriotic, but politically impartial:

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Roker Sunday, 14 Nov 2021 at 4:03pm

In the face of a rising power whose citizenry is culturally, morally and ethnically uniform, and imbued with a sense duty, honour and national pride, we - Australia, the post-truth West - are in big trouble.

Maybe not exactly the right interpretation but these Sunday musings from Stan Grant are fascinating. Messy and contradictory, like he’s arguing with himself, trying to reconcile the conservative shouting in his right ear with the progressive ranting in his left one. No shouting, not really a conclusion, or an opinion - heaven forbid - to be had, but much to ponder. Maybe that’s point. The non-didactic antidote (along with Planet America) for much of what gets splashed over the ABC and elsewhere these days.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-11-14/remembrance-day-a-reality-check-a...

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blindboy Sunday, 14 Nov 2021 at 4:30pm

Roker, there are some interesting points there but anyone who leads off their argument by basing it on the belied that WW1 was fought to defend our liberal freedoms is instantly wrong. WW1 was absolutely pointless. The spectacular stupidity of all the leaders involved, both political and military, is almost impossible to believe. We would more greaty honour the dead in that war by remembering that than by pretending that their deaths were in defence of things that were never at risk.

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Roker Sunday, 14 Nov 2021 at 4:40pm

I couldn't agree more with your take on WW1 BB - but I don't think he was quite suggesting that.

Anyway, while on the subject, I reckon Dick Diver has a good take on where entrenched cultural beliefs and uniformity can end up.

“See that little stream — we could walk to it in two minutes. It took the British a month to walk to it — a whole empire walking very slowly, dying in front and pushing forward behind. And another empire walked very slowly backward a few inches a day, leaving the dead like a million bloody rugs. No Europeans will ever do that again in this generation.”

“Why, they’ve only just quit over in Turkey,” said Abe. “And in Morocco —”

“That’s different. This western-front business couldn’t be done again, not for a long time. The young men think they could do it but they couldn’t. They could fight the first Marne again but not this. This took religion and years of plenty and tremendous sureties and the exact relation that existed between the classes. The Russians and Italians weren’t any good on this front. You had to have a whole-souled sentimental equipment going back further than you could remember. You had to remember Christmas, and postcards of the Crown Prince and his fiancée, and little cafés in Valence and beer gardens in Unter den Linden and weddings at the mairie, and going to the Derby, and your grandfather’s whiskers.”

“General Grant invented this kind of battle at Petersburg in sixty- five.”

“No, he didn’t — he just invented mass butchery. This kind of battle was invented by Lewis Carroll and Jules Verne and whoever wrote Undine, and country deacons bowling and marraines in Marseilles and girls seduced in the back lanes of Wurtemburg and Westphalia. Why, this was a love battle — there was a century of middle-class love spent here. This was the last love battle.”

― F. Scott Fitzgerald, Tender is the Night: Tender Is the Night, novel by F. Scott Fitzgerald

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blindboy Sunday, 14 Nov 2021 at 5:04pm

Great book, I should re-read it. Every generation owes it to the following one to slaughter its sacred cows......but never do.
In the case of Stan Grant's piece I am not sure he can be taken seriously after expressing such pious nonsense. Faith and nation? Faith in what? A nation that is rapidly becoming an international pariah led by a government espousing the same values he claims are lost? A brief piece on the ABC website cannot provide an adequate cultural analysis of the type he is pretending to perform. So a shallow well-intentioned irrelevance?

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velocityjohnno Sunday, 14 Nov 2021 at 6:02pm

Agree on the disaster that was the events leading up into WW1 - Massie's "Dreadnought" portrays the main characters and the tragedy of it very well, too.

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Supafreak Monday, 15 Nov 2021 at 2:32pm

This is too funny , maybe we should all send Scotty a congratulations letter . https://twitter.com/docb__/status/1460053865156337669?s=21

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Supafreak Tuesday, 16 Nov 2021 at 12:17pm

At least he’s got a few bucks to start up again. https://www.nation.lk/online/christian-porter-tipped-to-quit-politics-to...