All Things Religion Thread

seeds......if you are just into being , why do you come on here and try and disprove , what I believe in?
Yeah from a just being point of view....the idea of an entity more powerful than any human mind must quite disconcerting..........maybe you should " just let it be>"

seeds wrote:

Speaking of deflections. Nice one.
I’ve already stated I’m into just being.
How many $B is grifted from believers every year?
Still begs the question who created God? He(?)just existed for eternity in the ether? Where and what was that before he created the universe? What was his day job then? Before anything but him(?) existed.

I haven’t tried to disprove anything. I’ve put forward questions etc. bordering on the rhetorical as I don’t expect an rational answer from you.

seeds, maybe my rational is not your idea of rational.....having said that.....what I put forward here as a Christian is very rational to Christians over quite a few thousand years......so yeah your rhetorical questions is simply an exercise for you , where you already know the answer, or as you call it and irrational answer relative to your rhetorical question........LOL......

seeds wrote:

I haven’t tried to disprove anything. I’ve put forward questions etc. bordering on the rhetorical as I don’t expect an rational answer from you.

brutus wrote:

seeds, maybe my rational is not your idea of rational.....having said that.....what I put forward here as a Christian is very rational to Christians over quite a few thousand years......so yeah your rhetorical questions is simply an exercise for you , where you already know the answer, or as you call it and irrational answer relative to your rhetorical question........LOL......

seeds wrote:

I haven’t tried to disprove anything. I’ve put forward questions etc. bordering on the rhetorical as I don’t expect an rational answer from you.

So you’re in a cult?

yep I'm in a Christian cult me and the other Billion or so people,LOL!

burleigh wrote:

brutus wrote:

seeds, maybe my rational is not your idea of rational.....having said that.....what I put forward here as a Christian is very rational to Christians over quite a few thousand years......so yeah your rhetorical questions is simply an exercise for you , where you already know the answer, or as you call it and irrational answer relative to your rhetorical question........LOL......

seeds wrote:

I haven’t tried to disprove anything. I’ve put forward questions etc. bordering on the rhetorical as I don’t expect an rational answer from you.

So you’re in a cult?

brutus wrote:

yep I'm in a Christian cult me and the other Billion or so people,LOL!

burleigh wrote:

brutus wrote:

seeds, maybe my rational is not your idea of rational.....having said that.....what I put forward here as a Christian is very rational to Christians over quite a few thousand years......so yeah your rhetorical questions is simply an exercise for you , where you already know the answer, or as you call it and irrational answer relative to your rhetorical question........LOL......

seeds wrote:

I haven’t tried to disprove anything. I’ve put forward questions etc. bordering on the rhetorical as I don’t expect an rational answer from you.

So you’re in a cult?

The world biggest cult is still a cult. A very wealthy one.

How much you give god each week?

I don’t know the answers. You’re claiming to know them.

burleigh....haha...you don't have to give God anything monetary......and yeah cult/group/team whatever you want to call it....or are your referring to the band the Cult ???

burleigh wrote:

brutus wrote:

yep I'm in a Christian cult me and the other Billion or so people,LOL!

burleigh wrote:

brutus wrote:

seeds, maybe my rational is not your idea of rational.....having said that.....what I put forward here as a Christian is very rational to Christians over quite a few thousand years......so yeah your rhetorical questions is simply an exercise for you , where you already know the answer, or as you call it and irrational answer relative to your rhetorical question........LOL......

seeds wrote:

I haven’t tried to disprove anything. I’ve put forward questions etc. bordering on the rhetorical as I don’t expect an rational answer from you.

So you’re in a cult?

The world biggest cult is still a cult. A very wealthy one.

How much you give god each week?

seeds I know you don't have any answers , yet I and another billion people don't claim to know, we believe in the answers provided in the Bible!

seeds wrote:

I don’t know the answers. You’re claiming to know them.

brutus wrote:

burleigh....haha...you don't have to give God anything monetary......and yeah cult/group/team whatever you want to call it....or are your referring to the band the Cult ???

burleigh wrote:

brutus wrote:

yep I'm in a Christian cult me and the other Billion or so people,LOL!

burleigh wrote:

brutus wrote:

seeds, maybe my rational is not your idea of rational.....having said that.....what I put forward here as a Christian is very rational to Christians over quite a few thousand years......so yeah your rhetorical questions is simply an exercise for you , where you already know the answer, or as you call it and irrational answer relative to your rhetorical question........LOL......

seeds wrote:

I haven’t tried to disprove anything. I’ve put forward questions etc. bordering on the rhetorical as I don’t expect an rational answer from you.

So you’re in a cult?

The world biggest cult is still a cult. A very wealthy one.

How much you give god each week?

How much do you give though? dont lie, god is watching.

Matthew 6:3

Optimist wrote:

Matthew 6:3

The perfect scam.

Brutus :

‘maybe my rational is not your idea of rational.....’

;););)
Not a lot of ‘maybe’ there ;);)
And no ideas needed ;)

- Another reminder that this is an ‘all things religion’ thread… not a ‘I believe in the concept of an only god according to Christian doctrine and take the bible literally’ thread ;);)

The arrogance is astounding.
The evidence overwhelming ;);)

absolutely no $'s , I don't go to a Church......and God doesn't need my $'s LOL!

burleigh wrote:

brutus wrote:

burleigh....haha...you don't have to give God anything monetary......and yeah cult/group/team whatever you want to call it....or are your referring to the band the Cult ???

burleigh wrote:

brutus wrote:

yep I'm in a Christian cult me and the other Billion or so people,LOL!

burleigh wrote:

brutus wrote:

seeds, maybe my rational is not your idea of rational.....having said that.....what I put forward here as a Christian is very rational to Christians over quite a few thousand years......so yeah your rhetorical questions is simply an exercise for you , where you already know the answer, or as you call it and irrational answer relative to your rhetorical question........LOL......

seeds wrote:

I haven’t tried to disprove anything. I’ve put forward questions etc. bordering on the rhetorical as I don’t expect an rational answer from you.

So you’re in a cult?

The world biggest cult is still a cult. A very wealthy one.

How much you give god each week?

How much do you give though? dont lie, god is watching.

JF .....now you are the SN police.....all things religion....and we are talking about religion......so if you have no religion at all , you can't comment here...ya getting desperate Jelly!

So if you have no beliefs you are such a small minority , so you could be irrational and arrogant , as why are you actually here ?

Jelly Flater wrote:

Brutus :

‘maybe my rational is not your idea of rational.....’

;););)
Not a lot of ‘maybe’ there ;);)
And no ideas needed ;)

- Another reminder that this is an ‘all things religion’ thread… not a ‘I believe in the concept of an only god according to Christian doctrine and take the bible literally’ thread ;);)

The arrogance is astounding.
The evidence overwhelming ;);)

Dear Burleigh , can you please explain why you think Mathew 6: 3 is a scam?

burleigh wrote:

Optimist wrote:

Matthew 6:3

The perfect scam.

Have religion, can comment.
https://www.spaghettimonster.org/

brutus wrote:

Dear Burleigh , can you please explain why you think Mathew 6: 3 is a scam?

burleigh wrote:

Optimist wrote:

Matthew 6:3

The perfect scam.

i had a quick google search, and from what i read is that you don't disclose how much you give to the church, and by keeping it a secret your father will reward you......

Is that about right? The more you give and the less you say means that god will "reward" you?

The perfect scam, you keep paying to be a good boy in your imaginary gods eyes, and then if you don't pay the guilt and fear of the underground rave will creep into your mind

Says Brutus :

‘JF .....now you are the SN police.....all things religion....and we are talking about religion......so if you have no religion at all , you can't comment here...ya getting desperate Jelly!

So if you have no beliefs you are such a small minority , so you could be irrational and arrogant , as why are you actually here ?’

Haha ;)
So… you accuse me of being SN police ? Then assume I ‘have’ no religion at all and then because of your assumption claim I can’t comment here ?!

Cmon now. More contradiction. Who’s trying to police who ? Really ;)

And why am I here exactly brutus? I’m actually discussing all things religion -and questioning the necessity and validity of it whilst doing so…

You are exclaiming ‘we are talking about religion’. Your words. And true - you are talking about religion. Not all things religion, though. This is clear and at the core of the fundamental ‘only your perspective on the christian faith’ version of ‘religion’.

Your personal views on biblical history and allegiance to click bait christian ‘facts’ have nothing at all to do with ‘all things religion’.

May as well take off the blinkers ;)

Trying to pretend you are a part of billions of others who have a shared perspective to try bolster your legitimacy and attempting to claim you represent some profound christian cause is also a silly attempt at self inflation ;)

The deflection is still strong ;)
What exactly are you trying to prove…

Pointless talking to Brutus about religion or even philosophical musings. Once you’re entrapped there is no reasoning or rationalale left.
BTW there is only one meaning of rational.

"For every one that curseth his father or his mother shall be surely put to death: he hath cursed his father or his mother; his blood shall be upon him." (Leviticus 20:9)

When a man sells his daughter as a slave, she will not be freed at the end of six years as the men are. If she does not please the man who bought her, he may allow her to be bought back again. But he is not allowed to sell her to foreigners, since he is the one who broke the contract with her. And if the slave girl’s owner arranges for her to marry his son, he may no longer treat her as a slave girl, but he must treat her as his daughter. If he himself marries her and then takes another wife, he may not reduce her food or clothing or fail to sleep with her as his wife. If he fails in any of these three ways, she may leave as a free woman without making any payment. (Exodus 21:7-11 NLT)

Those ancient civilisations and writings existed 3500 years ago and it’s a good thing you guys weren’t born then as you would have been executed for sure ….

Burleigh, what it actually means is be humble and do not advertise that you are giving to people as it should be from the heart and not about giving so you get Kudos!

burleigh wrote:

brutus wrote:

Dear Burleigh , can you please explain why you think Mathew 6: 3 is a scam?

burleigh wrote:

Optimist wrote:

Matthew 6:3

The perfect scam.

i had a quick google search, and from what i read is that you don't disclose how much you give to the church, and by keeping it a secret your father will reward you......

Is that about right? The more you give and the less you say means that god will "reward" you?

The perfect scam, you keep paying to be a good boy in your imaginary gods eyes, and then if you don't pay the guilt and fear of the underground rave will creep into your mind

Optimist wrote:

Those ancient civilisations and writings existed 3500 years ago and it’s a good thing you guys weren’t born then as you would have been executed for sure ….

The entire bible 3500 years old? More holes in that book then Filipe Toledos big wave surfing

brutus wrote:

Burleigh, what it actually means is be humble and do not advertise that you are giving to people as it should be from the heart and not about giving so you get Kudos!

burleigh wrote:

brutus wrote:

Dear Burleigh , can you please explain why you think Mathew 6: 3 is a scam?

burleigh wrote:

Optimist wrote:

Matthew 6:3

The perfect scam.

i had a quick google search, and from what i read is that you don't disclose how much you give to the church, and by keeping it a secret your father will reward you......

Is that about right? The more you give and the less you say means that god will "reward" you?

The perfect scam, you keep paying to be a good boy in your imaginary gods eyes, and then if you don't pay the guilt and fear of the underground rave will creep into your mind

You interpret the way the money hungry church want you to, i'll interpret how normal/sane people will.

"But I say unto you, That ye resist not evil: but whosoever shall smite thee on thy right cheek, turn to him the other also." (Matthew 5:39)

3500 years of corruption, murder, hate, plunder, rape and pillage and control. And still people look to it for guidance…fuck, some of us haven’t come far.

And the whole thing is still stuck in the past.

Roadkill wrote:

3500 years of corruption, murder, hate, plunder, rape and pillage and control. And still people look to it for guidance…fuck, some of us haven’t come far.

And the whole thing is still stuck in the past.

To be fair that's really just traits of human existence, religion has its good and bad points, but if you are a religious person of any region the aim generally is to be a better person and treat others as you would like to be treated.

Obviously many (maybe most?) dont achieve this.

Incredible the amount of hate in the bible, yet the happy clapper cult members only celebrate the good parts.

It's like saying a mass murderer is a good guy because he donated to a charity before he did the crimes.

It really is a miracle that billions of people still believe.

burleigh wrote:

Incredible the amount of hate in the bible, yet the happy clapper cult members only celebrate the good parts.

It's like saying a mass murderer is a good guy because he donated to a charity before he did the crimes.

It really is a miracle that billions of people still believe.

Human nature to only look at the good…religious folk just do it more. Look at how christians view abuse in the church…many just try to ignore it and many blame the victims…hardcore christians are some of the worst humans ever. Religion is just a big corrupt pile is crap.

seeds wrote:

Pointless talking to Brutus about religion or even philosophical musings. Once you’re entrapped there is no reasoning or rationalale left.
BTW there is only one meaning of rational.

TBH, brutus is a limited thinker. He just can’t go off script. Indoctrinated to the max.

"But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart." (Matthew 5:28)

burleigh.....yeah your interpretation is much more valid , than the Christian perspective .....just wondering how long have you been studying and analysing scripture ?

burleigh wrote:

brutus wrote:

Burleigh, what it actually means is be humble and do not advertise that you are giving to people as it should be from the heart and not about giving so you get Kudos!

burleigh wrote:

brutus wrote:

Dear Burleigh , can you please explain why you think Mathew 6: 3 is a scam?

burleigh wrote:

Optimist wrote:

Matthew 6:3

The perfect scam.

i had a quick google search, and from what i read is that you don't disclose how much you give to the church, and by keeping it a secret your father will reward you......

Is that about right? The more you give and the less you say means that god will "reward" you?

The perfect scam, you keep paying to be a good boy in your imaginary gods eyes, and then if you don't pay the guilt and fear of the underground rave will creep into your mind

You interpret the way the money hungry church want you to, i'll interpret how normal/sane people will.

Burleigh ...which parts of the Bible are you referring to as hatred?

burleigh wrote:

Incredible the amount of hate in the bible, yet the happy clapper cult members only celebrate the good parts.

It's like saying a mass murderer is a good guy because he donated to a charity before he did the crimes.

It really is a miracle that billions of people still believe.

TwsitedDrifter wrote:

"But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart." (Matthew 5:28)

Well, every single heterosexual man in the world is guilty of that. Anyone that says otherwise is breaking the “thou shall not lie” line.
Woman do it the same.

Roadkill......so because there has and is abuse within the Church , you judge all Christians by the actions of a few?
I agree that a lot of Churches are corrupt , just like how our society is totally corrupted......so what's your definition of Hardcore Christians.....and do you think making jokes about paedophilia is acceptable?

Roadkill wrote:

burleigh wrote:

Incredible the amount of hate in the bible, yet the happy clapper cult members only celebrate the good parts.

It's like saying a mass murderer is a good guy because he donated to a charity before he did the crimes.

It really is a miracle that billions of people still believe.

Human nature to only look at the good…religious folk just do it more. Look at how christians view abuse in the church…many just try to ignore it and many blame the victims…hardcore christians are some of the worst humans ever. Religion is just a big corrupt pile is crap.

"Thou shalt not hate thy brother in thine heart: thou shalt in any wise rebuke [reason with] thy neighbour, and not suffer sin upon him. Thou shalt not avenge, nor bear any grudge against the children of thy people, but thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself: I am the Lord." (Leviticus 19: 17-18)

Dear God, please dont let a priest rape me again!

you really don't get it do ya Roadkill...there is no off script.....there are the Gospels which are non-negotiable, so yeah there is no thinking needed.......what I am really interested in is how you see your world ?

Roadkill wrote:

seeds wrote:

Pointless talking to Brutus about religion or even philosophical musings. Once you’re entrapped there is no reasoning or rationalale left.
BTW there is only one meaning of rational.

TBH, brutus is a limited thinker. He just can’t go off script. Indoctrinated to the max.

Because there has been un fathomable abuse in the churches and covered up for centuries is the reason you should not support them Brutus.

It’s a sick corrupt cult that you love and pay money towards

burleigh wrote:

Because there has been un fathomable abuse in the churches and covered up for centuries is the reason you should not support them Brutus.

It’s a sick corrupt cult that you love and pay money towards

You can condemn and refuse to support or be part of the continuing problem. It can’t be both ways.

Roadkill wrote:

burleigh wrote:

Because there has been un fathomable abuse in the churches and covered up for centuries is the reason you should not support them Brutus.

It’s a sick corrupt cult that you love and pay money towards

You can condemn and refuse to support or be part of the continuing problem. It can’t be both ways.

I want to add, the worst possible kind of abuse. If this was ANY other organisation they would be condemned/cancelled and dismantled piece by piece.

Yet here we are still talking about a fucking pedo cult like it has never happened

burleigh....abuse has always been there in every form. , remember slavery/colonialism.....and I do not give any money to any church and am not affiliated with any church.

If I judged all white people by the actions of their minority whites such as the KKK/white evangelists etc.....where would it end??

burleigh wrote:

Because there has been un fathomable abuse in the churches and covered up for centuries is the reason you should not support them Brutus.

It’s a sick corrupt cult that you love and pay money towards

brutus wrote:

burleigh....abuse has always been there in every form. , remember slavery/colonialism.....and I do not give any money to any church and am not affiliated with any church.

If I judged all white people by the actions of their minority whites such as the KKK/white evangelists etc.....where would it end??

burleigh wrote:

Because there has been un fathomable abuse in the churches and covered up for centuries is the reason you should not support them Brutus.

It’s a sick corrupt cult that you love and pay money towards

You supporting church is like people still supporting KKK.

You get it now?

burleigh...I don't support the church...I am the one that initially started the conversation that Scomo/Hillsong/Brian...are not real Christians.....not sure where you keep getting that I support churches.
Do you get it?

burleigh wrote:

brutus wrote:

burleigh....abuse has always been there in every form. , remember slavery/colonialism.....and I do not give any money to any church and am not affiliated with any church.

If I judged all white people by the actions of their minority whites such as the KKK/white evangelists etc.....where would it end??

burleigh wrote:

Because there has been un fathomable abuse in the churches and covered up for centuries is the reason you should not support them Brutus.

It’s a sick corrupt cult that you love and pay money towards

You supporting church is like people still supporting KKK.

You get it now?

Thats pretty extreme and silly burleigh all kinds of abuse has happened in school settings too and often been covered up, that doesn't mean Schools are bad or should be closed.

Theres negative and positive aspects on most things, despite the negatives churches and other religions often do good things for the community and people.

It's not my thing, but Brutus has shared how finding faith has helped him get through some hard and dark times, so it's been a positive for him.

Each to their own.

All I know is if everyone lived by Christian values the world would be a much better place. Unlike science religion is meant to be faith based and surely if anybody has reason to be bitter and angry at the system it is brutus, but instead he has followed the path of forgiveness and love for which I have a great respect and admiration.
For someone like burliegh who is an anti vax cult conspiracy theory nutjob to question the faith of a highly respected member of our surf history like brutus says a lot more about himself than he could ever comprehend and I find it pretty rude to say the least. Keep up the good work brutus you are a legend.

brutus wrote:

burleigh...I don't support the church...I am the one that initially started the conversation that Scomo/Hillsong/Brian...are not real Christians.....not sure where you keep getting that I support churches.
Do you get it?

burleigh wrote:

brutus wrote:

burleigh....abuse has always been there in every form. , remember slavery/colonialism.....and I do not give any money to any church and am not affiliated with any church.

If I judged all white people by the actions of their minority whites such as the KKK/white evangelists etc.....where would it end??

burleigh wrote:

Because there has been un fathomable abuse in the churches and covered up for centuries is the reason you should not support them Brutus.

It’s a sick corrupt cult that you love and pay money towards

You supporting church is like people still supporting KKK.

You get it now?

Fair enough Brutus, and I will pay credit where credit is due, you have stayed pretty level headed through this forum.

old-dog wrote:

All I know is if everyone lived by Christian values the world would be a much better place. Unlike science religion is meant to be faith based and surely if anybody has reason to be bitter and angry at the system it is brutus, but instead he has followed the path of forgiveness and love for which I have a great respect and admiration.
For someone like burliegh who is an anti vax cult conspiracy theory nutjob to question the faith of a highly respected member of our surf history like brutus says a lot more about himself than he could ever comprehend and I find it pretty rude to say the least. Keep up the good work brutus you are a legend.

I agree with a lot of that, I've clashed with Brutus and we disagree on more than we agree on, sometimes he drives me nuts, as im sure i do him, but i still cant help but like and respect him, and in a weird way I'm happy that he has found his faith and it has got him through hard times.

Im all for attacking religion but not so much attacking peoples faith.

BTW. Yeah Burleigh Brutus is also pretty good at remaining civil in debates, respect that too..