COVID-19 Health System Overload Forecaster
Blowin wrote:My mother was hospitalised by the vaccine you fucken idiot.
Fark me Blowin, hope she's OK now.
Guess that explains your position and emotions.
I don't really have anything to say about people who've experienced that first hand. No idea how I'd feel either. It's fucked and I think a more open and apologetic response from authorities wouldn't go astray. I believe these vaccines will do by far the greater good, but anyone who's on the wrong end of one deserves support.
Dunno what Tucker Carlson does for you though, I can see through that fucker like a clear pane of glass.
Vic Local wrote:Blowin wrote:Nothing in the SMH about the Canberra protest.
WTF are you talking about idiot?
https://www.smh.com.au/national/defend-democracy-the-race-to-tackle-cons...
Fuck me blowin do you expect big media companies to report on the rantings of absolute lunatics. Have a look at this absolute muppet banging on about setting up their own nation. And also note the crowd's response when he makes these lunatic claims. Do they tell him to STFU? Of course not, they cheer him on.
Meanwhile at the #dumbernats
— Anonykatz (@Anonykatz1) February 12, 2022
They've announced that tomorrow they'll buy a property 20 minutes from Canberra, move there and form their own micro nation.
But everyone needs to give them $10 dollars by 10am tomorrow. pic.twitter.com/IrUEwoLbiO
Perhaps you should get someone to read that article to you bloke? It’s not about the protest. The protest is barely mentioned in passing and only as setting for talk of conspiracy theories.
Tens of thousands of fair minded Australians peacefully exerting their democratic right to contest the idea of mandated vaccination for covid.
Show some respect you silly old boomer.
gragagan wrote:Supafreak wrote:bluediamond wrote:The great goat reckons he's coming to oz...
https://www.theinertia.com/surf/kelly-slater-to-the-surfing-world-ill-se...Maybe he got hold of some novavax or something similar.
Probably got himself an exemption somehow, on the condition that he doesn't tell anyone and keeps it secret. A few dollars in certain oz government pockets can probably get you anything you want. I'm sure he'd be prepared to part with a few $$ for a better shot at 12....
Maybe he just paid for a vaccination certificate ? In Jakarta the current price to skip quarantine is $3,500 USD gone up from $500
Nice normal people, getting cheered on by the mob. This guy is batshit crazy and people love him.
"alien invasions"? Yeah we need to cheer him.
Your people blowin.
Part 2. They are beginning to finish up, apparently playing music for a bit and ‘party it back up at camp’, the day is far from over. pic.twitter.com/TuXM2lu3iM
— Reptilian Overlord 🦎 (@LizardHumanoid) February 12, 2022
Dr Dick , you’re an experienced cameraman/journalist why don’t you get down there tomorrow and do a live broadcast for swellnet ? A few interviews with random people from the crowd and maybe even hunt down avi from rebel news for a direct confrontation. I’m sure we can pass the hat to cover your expenses.
For Ben Harding.
Nah, my metric was the most recent Summernats. Not 2017. It’s quiet AF in Canberra city right now.
Post 5pm, It’s literally a non-event. Canberra is a small city. It’s quieter than normal.
I’m in central Canberra right now. Eating a kebab. There’s no one here.
If you’re calling me a coward, I’ll let you sit with this. I did 3 combat tours in Afghanistan. I’ll call anyone out if they’re using the ADF as a prop for their cause. Yup. I’m pretty judgey. And you know why? Because most of the time they’re actually pretenders. And they fold when you call them out.
Bouys and gulls, we have hit nearly 300 pages of this shit. You don’t agree with each other, you won’t change an opinion. Everyone gets it. For every reasonable comment ( eg etarip, VJ) there just reams of abuse. Give it a fuckin rest.
Supafreak wrote:Stok wrote:@supa I regularly check in on insta on a few accounts who are part of these protests and movement. Have been doing out of curiosity for a while.
It's funny my instagram algorithm is a fucking mess.....surfing content....the odd bikini clad influencer......far right anti vax stuff......left leaning anti scomo stuff etc. etc.
I don't read the guardian at all. I read ABC but don't hang of what they say.
I don't deny there'd be a heap of good crew there, but as I said, this apple is rotten to the core. Some parts on the exterior are OK, some parts aren't. But the more you peal away the more you see it for what it really is.
Maybe you should attend the protest and find out first hand , talk to people there , take some selfie’s and report back .
Agreed. First hand experience is the only reliable way to base your judgements. Otherwise youre just shit slinging people based on the way certain interests portray them. Would be the same if it was a pro whack rally. Im sure fringe elements would be the ones highlighted by opposing media outlets.
etarip wrote:For Ben Harding.
Nah, my metric was the most recent Summernats. Not 2017. It’s quiet AF in Canberra city right now.Post 5pm, It’s literally a non-event. Canberra is a small city. It’s quieter than normal.
I’m in central Canberra right now. Eating a kebab. There’s no one here.
If you’re calling me a coward, I’ll let you sit with this. I did 3 combat tours in Afghanistan. I’ll call anyone out if they’re using the ADF as a prop for their cause. Yup. I’m pretty judgey. And you know why? Because most of the time they’re actually pretenders. And they fold when you call them out.
Would dig to here a bit about your Afghanistan tours if your up to telling ?
blackers wrote:Bouys and gulls, we have hit nearly 300 pages of this shit. You don’t agree with each other, you won’t change an opinion. Everyone gets it. For every reasonable comment ( eg etarip, VJ) there just reams of abuse. Give it a fuckin rest.
Do we get a swellnet party for when we reach 500 pages? A blacktie event, byo laptop and type abuse to everyone across the room!?
udo wrote:etarip wrote:For Ben Harding.
Would dig to here a bit about your Afghanistan tours if your up to telling ?
Definitely not on this thread.
I’ll throw some thoughts together. Surfing and service. It’s a thing.
@etarip , good friend did 2 or 3 tours of Timor 1 Iraq 2 Afghanistan as a commando , met him on lembongan where he married a local and built a house. His main reason for moving there was to get off drugs and back into surfing. He’s got PTSD pretty bad , was the only survivor in a truck rollover in Malaysia, the rest off his crew all dead . Had a baby die in his hands in Timor , some horrific stories he unloaded on me . He now lives back in mandurah. Can’t handle too many people and sticks to fishing and the odd surf. Hates the army after 20 year career, comfortable pension and super retirement . Never goes to Anzac marches. Sad to see .
Supafreak wrote:Here’s a 5 minute podcast from controversial Dr Peter McCullough, talking about the different vaccines and novavax. https://podclips.com/c/peter-anticipates-pfizer-moderna-vaccines-getting...
Interesting the absolute radio silence about this link.
Damn that McCullough....wasn't he that antivax doctor that was on Rogan!!!!!! ;-)
Cheers for sharing Supafreak.
@BD @Supa
Fair point, but equally, go spend some time with the people working to develop vaccines, or some of the advisory bodies who are taking responsibility for making the calls around how we respond to the pandemic. Sit in on meetings at the TGA and ATAGI. Talk to the people on the AMC and the various experts who recommend vaccination types and policies.
You've both written off sources of information which you should trust, and fallen for sources you've sought out for alternative truths. I know you're thinking don't paint everyone with the same brush, and there are differences between all of us posting here, but the reality is, we're all taking this at face value (no matter how much inline research we do).
Instead of thinking our governments are doing what they can to protect as many lives as possible whilst balancing restrictions, mandates and burdens on the population, you're believing a narrative that has been presented to you to make you think otherwise.
{Exclusive} - Animal Pharm.
(Bonus) Covid Cooking Guide + Shitty Covid Cocktails
(Warning!) Contains reports & photos of Dead Critters + harming / killing in tests.
Pretty sure that needed to be said.
Experts play down Covid transmission thru Urban Pets to game parks as no real tests are able.
Covid exposes flaws in our Urban setting & none want to upset the goose that lays the Golden Egg.
We all see *****Hotels are Covid Shit Shows (vs) Safe ground level Camps are not Developer friendly.
We all smell Covid Outbreaks permeate shared Air Vents & Waste Water flushed into estuaries.
Covid outbreaks are amplified by Human's farming or grouping Animals near infected people.
Govts remain quiet as Pets quietly vanish from our lives...(Nearly all reports here are recent!)
Individually may not paint the true story but together they all spell a harder time ahead for pets!
As more Covid variants spread thru the human race the more the Animal Kingdom becomes infected.
We see this in Zoo & Farm critter vaccinations to ward off increasing species death.
Q: Is there a Covid Test for Animals (Yes!) Made in Oz...(April 2020) Seldom if ever used or mentioned?
https://www.idexx.com.au/en-au/veterinary/reference-laboratories/idexx-r...
Q: Is there a Covid Vaccine for Animals (Yes!) Made in Russia...(April 2021) Not yet approved in Oz?
https://fsvps.gov.ru/fsvps/news/41473.html
Q: Are there calls for Mandated Animal Vax. (Yes! But oddly not for Police, Guide, Rescue, Drug Dogs)
https://thewest.com.au/news/coronavirus/pets-should-be-vaccinated-agains...
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10412279/Australia-soon-vaccina...
Call came from PLOS / Duke / Chapel Hill (re: Origin) > Vax may yet be listed under Oz Emergency Use.
Doesn't that sound familiar Yeah But! No But! Yeah But! Why not just Mandate it! Cool!
% by Lab / Wild / Peak / Cumulative > aim is less to shock but merely keep up with unsaid virus spread
50-100% Minks / Ferrets : Farms (Highest Death Rate = 55%)
Little is known of this Mink cull being the first large scale Interspecies transmission
Caged Minks < > Farmers < > Pet Cats < > Pet Dogs < > Stray Cats < > Stray Dogs (All Mass infected)
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-021-27096-9
Apartment restricted / Caged Pets is the silent deadly Battleground for Covid.
Covid gastro is alive in Kitty Litter flushed down to U-bend > Gas travels thru vents infecting other units.
1/10 Shit live Covid in the shower & Infectious Pet feces goes down same Poop Chute out into the bay.
Often Plumbers refuse to do Hi-Rise Shower call outs in fear of Pet Shit Show...now add Pet covid.
https://theconversation.com/we-dont-know-for-sure-if-coronavirus-can-spr...
try this : https://grateseal.com.au/blogs/grate-tips/help-keep-your-home-covid-free...
50% Hamsters & Guinea Pigs uproot the Cage Floor to aerate their Covid Shedding as Infectious Dust.
Guinea Pig shelters deny any infections but are swamped with record abandoned red hot pets.
Hong Kong Mass Cull of Hamsters
https://hongkongfp.com/2022/01/18/covid-19-hong-kong-to-kill-2000-hamste...
16.7% (Wild) Rabbits > Many competing diseases mask Covid detection 4 fold.
There are reports from Africa of Parasites bullying out Covid...so, less of a deal for plagued rabbits.
(re: 3.4.) https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5744139/
https://www.theage.com.au/national/victoria/victorian-rabbit-farm-under-...
https://www.ajpvic.org.au/ban_rabbit_meat_farming
US / Oz Authorities advise of other Pest / Disease Status + Bans on Pet / Rabbit shops.
https://www.mspca.org/animal_protection/puppymillbills/
https://agriculture.vic.gov.au/about/media-centre/media-releases/now-is-...
7.7% (Wild) Rats / Mice...China & Experts now say may be the origin of Covid & Omicrion
https://www.businessinsider.com.au/taiwan-lab-worker-became-infected-wit...
https://www.todayonline.com/world/did-omicron-jump-mice-men-chinese-scie...
https://nypost.com/2022/02/10/covid-variant-found-in-nyc-sewers-may-be-f...
Vet's dopey daughter defies belief to smear her own signature Covid strain over eyes, nose, mouth & ears.
Nov 2021 : Peta's person of the year The Pope: "It's selfish to have pet cats'n'dogs instead of Children!"
This directive blew people away! WTF Kinda message & for Who?
Fair to point out that PETA are kicking goals thru Pandemic...crew are right to think it's all one agenda.
https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/canine-corner/202201/is-it-selfi...
67% Cats infect other pets-Wuhan 25%-Live 27%-Owners 50%-Peak 67% (80% Cumulative cases!)
Mainly coz social cats scrap then rub visitors & lick'n'bite noses & scratch, fart & poop live Covid.
Interspecies spreaders near Caged Minks the stray cats were 29% [+] No Human connect!
https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/tbed.14173
Cat Litter is fastest growing industry...sales Peak with Peak Covid Cold Snaps & Rainy Seasons...(True!)
https://au.finance.yahoo.com/news/cat-litter-market-growth-trends-101900...
Guess wot #1 Product is....(R&R) Respiratory Relief Litter. (Perfect Match is off the fucking charts!)
https://www.drelseys.com/products/rr-respiratory-relief-clumping-clay-li...
Chinese insist the cats spread covid...once owner is Quarantined the cat gets tossed off the balcony.
https://www.zdnet.com/article/chinese-researchers-cite-clues-that-cats-a...
https://7news.com.au/news/animals/coronavirus-rumour-that-pets-can-carry...
This report informs of a solid non surprising infection rate from Owners to Pets
https://www.eurekalert.org/news-releases/594940
With fresh pet food being infected & Cats GI > Eating of Cat meat must be char-grilled to rid Covid!
file:///C:/Users/Owner/Downloads/foods-11-00286.pdf
https://www.hsi.org/news-media/saving-dogs-from-chinas-dog-meat-trade/
43% Dogs - Wuhan 10% > (20% Live) [+] Owners transmit 60% infections (Strays - 9%)
Bans on Shop bought Pet Cats / Dogs increases > Now mostly Pound Puppies.
https://hslf.org/blog/2021/12/win-puppy-mills-slammed-major-setbacks-202...
https://www.treehugger.com/western-australia-bans-puppy-mill-dog-sales-5...
Oz import bans on BOAS breeds that die from breathing difficulties (re: Virus)
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10475455/Call-BAN-French-Bulldo...
Guide Dogs not allowed in Vax centre + Blind can't read RATS ( Just doing the right thing...mate! )
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-wales-58013982
US bans all Nation's Dogs with No Rabies Shots...(re: low Vax nations) Possible Mutant Strain fears!
https://www.cdc.gov/importation/bringing-an-animal-into-the-united-state...
Rabies shots have slipped and with Covid > led to ban on Chinese / Korean Caged > Eating Dogs
https://worldakkam.com/a-bill-proposed-by-the-seoul-metropolitan-council...
France bans - Wild Circus Animals
Animal guidelines for Covid (Note min Cooking temp to rid Covid in Game Meat)
https://www.cdc.gov/healthypets/covid-19/wildlife.html
67% White Tailed Deer > soon be all infected & huge fears of Covid mutation.
https://www.greatfallstribune.com/story/news/2022/02/04/faq-can-deer-inf...
Deer is usually cooked at 120'-135' / 30 mins 130' / 145' kills Covid / CDC > 165' (Just to be sure!)
Deer is tough so it's cooked on low > CDC are basically informing the mutants not to eat Live Covid.
Note: This same message equally applies to Asian's infected Dogs / Cats or Oz Rabbits
Scomo : "Experts say the Chinese can't get covid from eating covid infected animals."
Zoo critters Big Cats & Monkeys have been infected or Vaxed but now some Hippos just got infected.
This wasn't predicted...it shows how each new Covid strain infects deeper thru Wildlife.
Started & finish with the Waste Water as this questions if Salt Water kills Covid.
Covid survives 4 weeks in Gastro Patients ("Recommended 28 day Quarantine")
Covid survives 22 days in feces...(Presuming that relates to all creatures)
Water treatment > Primary kills 83% > Secondary kills 11% Tertiary kills 5% > leaving just 1%
Covid Wastewater results > 8 hrs can be traced back to cubicle of individual before they test [+].
Water life of Covid = 2-9 days (25') 10 days avg > 14 days (4') > 21-49 days > ongoing (Near Freezing)
(Settled / Sludge or Slick) Covid survives 2x longer than shown in progressive table.
Aerated Covid infects more ...but only if it doesn't break up or separate from host (re: Turd slick!)
Tides / Surf press Covid along shoreline or can line all lake entry points or clump into a cove.
Any town with Wastewater infections will likely double up with covid in Cold or now also Outbreaks.
All these studies say the Virus remains infectious but is it infectious enough to Humans / Wildlife?
As with the weather...the salt only kills the virus if heated or blasted by Wave/Wind/Storm.
We know that one nation's covid wastewater will infect the beaches of opposing nation across the sea.
Q: Would Flooding Overflow trigger 100% Closure of Beaches / Lockdowns & for how long?
NSW 2021 Sewage Spill Evacuation is a sign of things to come...
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-03-27/nsw-floods-sewage-spill-mid-north...
eg: Naples Saltwater Mollusks were 40kms from Wastewater plant > 33% were infected with Covid.
Tests never went as far as sampling the Mollusks for a 3rd reinfection...just that virus tested [+].
file:///C:/Users/Owner/Downloads/ijerph-19-00943-v3.pdf
China takes this Cross Ocean Covid Infection to the extreme...(Not just packaging...but also food prep!)
June 2020 Norway Salmon > Infected a Chinese Chopping Board > resulting in 300 Outbreak
https://www.thebharatexpressnews.com/hamsters-wings-and-shrimp-trapped-b...
Vaccination of US Otters & Seals has been proposed
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7598747/
Now Bird Flu is raging thru UK / Europe / Africa / China / South Korea / Canada / US
There's already many dead...{rip}
tbb thought to reveal & share what we already knew...gonna need a bigger Mass Vax Ark!
Vic Local wrote:Nice normal people, getting cheered on by the mob. This guy is batshit crazy and people love him.
"alien invasions"? Yeah we need to cheer him.
Your people blowin.
https://twitter.com/LizardHumanoid/status/1492358620604137472?s=20&t=5Mu...
That's some classic content right there.
Part 1.....@1:30.....he mentions satanic ritual paedophiles in every court, police station etc......that's the semi clap I was talking about! It's like the less cooked members of the audience get a jolt from there right side of the brain....asking the WTF are they doing here listening to this bloke. Fee seconds later he starts yelling about freedom, gets the claps and cheers. Moves on.
Think is though, whether you like it or not, to be anti vax and anti mandate, means you're on the same trajectory as old mate there. Maybe you're more rational, less prone to spiralling, but, you're just a few meters behind him in the same rabbit hole.
Vic Local wrote:Blowin wrote:Nothing in the SMH about the Canberra protest.
WTF are you talking about idiot?
https://www.smh.com.au/national/defend-democracy-the-race-to-tackle-cons...
Fuck me blowin do you expect big media companies to report on the rantings of absolute lunatics. Have a look at this absolute muppet banging on about setting up their own nation. And also note the crowd's response when he makes these lunatic claims. Do they tell him to STFU? Of course not, they cheer him on.
Meanwhile at the #dumbernats
— Anonykatz (@Anonykatz1) February 12, 2022
They've announced that tomorrow they'll buy a property 20 minutes from Canberra, move there and form their own micro nation.
But everyone needs to give them $10 dollars by 10am tomorrow. pic.twitter.com/IrUEwoLbiO
That is funny. We need the bpay address for blowhole, burleigh, bd and supafreak to donate.
Vic Local wrote:Nice normal people, getting cheered on by the mob. This guy is batshit crazy and people love him.
"alien invasions"? Yeah we need to cheer him.
Your people blowin.
https://twitter.com/LizardHumanoid/status/1492358620604137472?s=20&t=5Mu...
If he is right, and we have all been injected with a biological weapon and we will all die….the world is fucked, if all that is left is this unemployable rabble and a bunch of Canadian truckers. .
Surely the anti vax crew here can’t think these videos show the protest organisers in a good positive light? Alarm bells must ring that a few nutters are using the vaccines as nothing more than a reason to stir up hate and bs? This does nothing to highlight being against vaccines and mandates.
Easy 20,000 there media say up to 10,000
etarip wrote:For Ben Harding.
Nah, my metric was the most recent Summernats. Not 2017. It’s quiet AF in Canberra city right now.Post 5pm, It’s literally a non-event. Canberra is a small city. It’s quieter than normal.
I’m in central Canberra right now. Eating a kebab. There’s no one here.
If you’re calling me a coward, I’ll let you sit with this. I did 3 combat tours in Afghanistan. I’ll call anyone out if they’re using the ADF as a prop for their cause. Yup. I’m pretty judgey. And you know why? Because most of the time they’re actually pretenders. And they fold when you call them out.
"Post 5pm, It’s literally a non-event. Canberra is a small city. It’s quieter than normal.
I’m in central Canberra right now. Eating a kebab. There’s no one here"
What did you expect mate? Them to be raging into the night past 9:52pm while you were eating a kebab. Having an event or protest finish up at around 5pm indicates to me that there were normal, everyday people at the event and knew when to call it a day. Isn't that the Australian way. Or were you looking at the US model of protest as something worth writing home about.
What else does that mean to you or what did you want to see? Anarchy and the city burning into the night to justify your distaste of the protest.
The evidence suggests ther were plenty of people mate. Did you even watch that video?
On the stolen Valor thing, I've got no idea about that and you made no mention of that in the post I responded to.
Saying you have completed three combat tours to Afghanistan in this context really doesn't answer the question. You didn't answer the question.
With the below, I don't mean to minimise your service, I've got family friends who have served in Afghanistan also.
Respectfully, I'm not from you generation, saying you've served doesn't end the conversation. I've got equal parts questions and respect for service members about what's happened in the middle East surrounding the rationale and conduct of our forces (and other forces) particularly now as we are seeing with the inquiry. Anyway my questions aren't for here and not asked to anonymous crew on surf forums.
I was born over in East Africa, and travelled and lived extensively through the area both there and in the middle east with mum and dad for their work while growing up.
Mum and dad, who are originally from South Aus, ran organisations that facilitated adoption from war torn countries into Australian families that either wanted to adopt or couldn't have children of their own through means of IFV and to try and help ease the orphan crisis within the Horn of Africa, South Korea/Vietnam, and Sri Lanka mainly but other war/famine affected countries as well Beginning in 1987. Around 674+ kids from memory. I wrote a feature piece on mums contact over in Ethiopia/Somalia last year. A year too early as war is once again banging on the region's doorstep once with rumblings of US intervention.
I've seen firsthand what war and proxy wars from the West results in.
I have no idea why people pretend to be in the ADF and it's not what I was commenting on in the first place.
A few hundred people at one protest in Sydney get full coverage by the SMH with their grievances given neutral and fair promotion. Contrast this with the tens of thousands of people also dissenting policy in Canberra who were ignored completely by the same masthead.
The MSM is not your friend.
https://www.smh.com.au/national/nsw/kill-the-bill-protesters-in-sydney-r...
VicLocal, it’s not perfect but democracy allows every idiot to have a say, even you.
Got a better alternative then speak up, I’d love to hear it
Haven't caught up in the thread but the Canberra Protests were all over MSM.
News. com: https://www.news.com.au/national/nsw-act/news/antivaccine-mandate-rallie...
Guardian : https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2022/feb/12/scott-morrison-sa...
ABC: https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-02-12/thousands-of-protesters-against-m...
Canberra Times: https://www.canberratimes.com.au/story/7617456/as-it-happened-three-arre...
Channel 9 news: https://www.9news.com.au/national/protesters-convoy-canberra-anti-vaccin...
Aus Financial Review: https://www.afr.com/politics/federal/french-pm-refused-russian-covid-tes...
Channel 7 News: https://7news.com.au/politics/federal-politics/thousands-of-anti-mandate...
You really can talk absolute crap blowin. The MSM isn’t there to clean up the drunken idiotic mob in Canberra and give them respectability. They are not there to air the claims of delusional lunatics.
Your mob is being exposed for what it is: a bunch of antisocial drunken gronks. Shooting the messenger isn’t making those moronic cookers look like normal people.
With the MSM stuff, it is the “Sydney” Morning Herald. Is a protest of 20,000 people that important to Sydney? And would be covered by the Canberra Times which is owned by the same company.
The other day the SMH also ran some interviews with protesters and their concerns about mandates.
https://amp.smh.com.au/national/on-my-own-terms-why-vaccine-mandate-prot...
tylerdurden yes they're more than welcome to try China's style of authoritarian, tyrannical dictatorship anytime they like. It's a real blast...
Anyone selectively cherry picking the most extreme nutjobs out of these protests and trying to make it look like the whole protests are just these people alone are not worth giving any moment of one's time to or taking seriously. Just embarrassing, cringworthy behaviour that is easy to see straight through. Quite a few people are doing it above.
People may think I'm a China supporter or something but if they want to know my actual view, well I've lived in China long enough over the past decade or so to know first hand that there is absolutely nothing, I repeat nothing, about Chinese society or politics that we would ever, I repeat ever, want on our Australian shores, in particular the inability to freely speak out and protest against the government, and more generally the inability to freely express oneself, to think for oneself, and to live self-directed and autonomous lives.
In our liberal democracy, even the slightest small whiff of the slightest small possibility of governments taking away our ability to think and choose for ourselves and live autonomously and self directed, and instead to start to impose some kind of authoritarian, dictatorial or tyrannical kind of rule on the people not aligned with science or the evidence or the basic principles of liberal democracy and human rights, should be stood up to and met with opposition by the people.
This has happened countless times in history where absolutely bloody wars have been fought against tyrannical governments in order to win the basic human rights and freedoms that we take for granted and don't even think about today. I have first hand experience of living in a country whose government does not allow its people to have these basic human rights and freedoms.
The possibility of having endless boosters mandated, and of oppressing and locking out of normal life and society people who don't comply, is the spectre of tyranny and dictatorship entering into our society. It is the spectre of the Communist Party of China's tyrannical rule over its people entering into our society.
A word of waring by Goethe:
He who cannot draw on three thousand years of history is living from hand to mouth.
Distracted wrote:With the MSM stuff, it is the “Sydney” Morning Herald. Is a protest of 20,000 people that important to Sydney? And would be covered by the Canberra Times which is owned by the same company.
The other day the SMH also ran some interviews with protesters and their concerns about mandates.
https://amp.smh.com.au/national/on-my-own-terms-why-vaccine-mandate-prot...
Blowin reads cooker news, sees a headline like “MSM ignores convoy”, doesn’t question it at all, and regurgitates the absolute crap here. All his bullshit is easily disproved but plucky little blowin just keeps going despite humiliating himself every fucking day.
freeride76 wrote:Haven't caught up in the thread but the Canberra Protests were all over MSM.
News. com: https://www.news.com.au/national/nsw-act/news/antivaccine-mandate-rallie...
Guardian : https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2022/feb/12/scott-morrison-sa...
ABC: https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-02-12/thousands-of-protesters-against-m...
Canberra Times: https://www.canberratimes.com.au/story/7617456/as-it-happened-three-arre...
Channel 9 news: https://www.9news.com.au/national/protesters-convoy-canberra-anti-vaccin...
Aus Financial Review: https://www.afr.com/politics/federal/french-pm-refused-russian-covid-tes...
Channel 7 News: https://7news.com.au/politics/federal-politics/thousands-of-anti-mandate...
Tens of thousands of Australians exercising their democratic right to peacefully protest government policy, specifically the imposition of vaccine mandates , passports and the “vaccination economy” as its the medical apartheid is euphemistically referred in Victoria.
Where is a single example of the MSM assessing the justification for these abhorrent and unprecedented draconian policies?
There is literally no scientific or medical evidence to support the vaccine mandates or passports. There never was but this is even more so and exceedingly harder to ignore now that Omicron has spread throughout society.
The religious discrimination bill is debated endlessly by the MSM and it affects a total y fraction of Australians, whilst millions of Australians are punitively punished and ostracised by the covid vaccine mandates and passports. It’s impossible to find an objective assessment of these policies anywhere in the Australian MSM.
The fact that the policies are politically driven and not predicated on science or medical imperative, as shown by the differing approaches by various state governments, only enhances the fact that the MEM refuses to report with any impartiality.
When the MSM does report it is almost always to conflate the true message of repealing unnecessary and non scientific mandates and passports, with other extreme fringe issues supported by only a minute fraction of protesters.
Gsco. I’m not buying your argument one little bit. That mob in Canberra is just a pack of ignorant gronks.
Look at the speakers. They are all unhinged and the organisers have picked them to be behind the microphone. And look at the crowds reaction. There’s no dissent when some nut job gets up and talks about pedophile cabals, independent nation states and even alien invasions. Just cheers and whoops.
GSCO. Your argument might be valid if the lunatics were pulled away from the mic or the crowd booed them, but that simply isn’t happening. It’s a mob of truly cooked gronks who are trashing Canberra.
VL just have a look at how these kinds of social movements and broader conflicts between governments and their people have started in history.
Often at first they're slightly embarrassing, disorganised, disjointed protests and movements led by fairly extreme members of society, with everyday normal people in the crowd but not the most visible or taking the lead. Over time if governments don't listen then the movements get better organised, more mainstream, and less embarrassing.
Western governments are flirting with the idea of imposing tyrannical style policies over their people, and they are seeing these early signs of disorganised resistance.
European governments have backed down, possibly because they have had about 7000 years of history of these kinds of things happening. They are not living hand to mouth.
Canada is not listening to these early signs and what they may lead to over the longer term. Trudeau is living hand to mouth, and very arrogantly so too.
It's time for all western governments to give their people back their autonomy to think and choose for themselves, and live self-directed lives, like is happening in Europe.
Albanese's comments yesterday show that he is living about 6 months in the past and also hand to mouth.
Gsco, this movement isn't attracting any high calibre of strategist or leadership. It's only attracting reject pollies and grifters.
That's because it's exceedingly clear it's built on flimsy principals which won't hold.
Yes, there is some room for debate that mandates may not be necessary if Omicron is a sugn of things improving - but this movement, and even as you've highlighted, have taken things way too far. There's no tyranny, that's plain cooked. We have emergency management laws and regulations which were enacted, then eased off.
This movement will never gain any credibility or be worth their salt if at the core they're message is 'sack them all', 'vaccines kill', or 'kick out the tyrants', or even 'freedom for all!'.
What's really needed is a more balanced political party to emerge from this, with their main strategy being around finding the right balance between emergency powers and personal freedoms. But that's just not happening.
BH: you asked me whether I had the cojones to call out the nut jobs in the crowd. I told you I did, and the basis for my argument with them. And, generally, the outcome of my interaction with one part of the idiotic fringe. The fact that I was posting at 9:52pm was because that was when I was eating a kebab, not when I was making the observations.
Further context: a mate of mine is a bouncer at the closest bar to where the protest was. Jetty bar. Look it up. Less than 500m from the protest. He’s at the front line. I was there from 6:30 pm to 8pm. His assessment: mostly harmless, well intentioned folk, interspersed with organised but irrational / delusional fuckwits. Riccardo Bosi is the prime example. My mate is ex-ADF, with an impressive CV. Saw a lot of the camouflage-donning losers getting changed in the disabled toilets and asked them why they weren’t proud of their ‘service’ (here’s the goss - they had nothing to back up their appropriation of someone else’s story / ethos)
I appreciate your, and your family’s, contribution to making the world a better place. I’d like to think that my service was aligned to the same outcomes. I’ve had a shitload of interaction with, and enabled support for, government, UN and NGO Aid organisations. Secular and faith-based. I have no rose tinted glasses regarding the intentions and actions of them.
I feel that you made a call regarding my integrity, I’d appreciate you winding that back. Stu and Craig know something of my background. I’m not grandstanding. Just relating what I saw.
All hail Omicron. It’s still bad but much more like a seasonal flu for many.
Things could be looking on the up.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10506447/NSW-records-lowest-cas...
And just for balance.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-02-13/covid-omicron-wave-hospitals-doct...
Don't have much of an interest in all this Canadian & Canberra protest, but gees it did look like a decent crowd in Canberra in much of footage i saw (example below)
etarip wrote:BH: you asked me whether I had the cojones to call out the nut jobs in the crowd. I told you I did, and the basis for my argument with them. And, generally, the outcome of my interaction with one part of the idiotic fringe. The fact that I was posting at 9:52pm was because that was when I was eating a kebab, not when I was making the observations.
Further context: a mate of mine is a bouncer at the closest bar to where the protest was. Jetty bar. Look it up. Less than 500m from the protest. He’s at the front line. I was there from 6:30 pm to 8pm. His assessment: mostly harmless, well intentioned folk, interspersed with organised but irrational / delusional fuckwits. Riccardo Bosi is the prime example. My mate is ex-ADF, with an impressive CV. Saw a lot of the camouflage-donning losers getting changed in the disabled toilets and asked them why they weren’t proud of their ‘service’ (here’s the goss - they had nothing to back up their appropriation of someone else’s story / ethos)
I appreciate your, and your family’s, contribution to making the world a better place. I’d like to think that my service was aligned to the same outcomes. I’ve had a shitload of interaction with, and enabled support for, government, UN and NGO Aid organisations. Secular and faith-based. I have no rose tinted glasses regarding the intentions and actions of them.
I feel that you made a call regarding my integrity, I’d appreciate you winding that back. Stu and Craig know something of my background. I’m not grandstanding. Just relating what I saw.
It's a shame the "mostly harmless, well intentioned folk" get tarnished with the same brush. These are everyday people that in normal circumstances you and I would probably get along with.
Re your integrity, I wasn't meaning to go that far. I was just trying to highlight how weird it is to be calling out everyday people who attended the rally as flogs. So yes, that's fair, I do wind that back.
This is one of the biggest problems I have with COVID. So divisive and often confrontational. It takes crew to overshare personal histories or recount family trauma (which a few crew are starting to) to prevent the handbags at ten paces.
"I appreciate your, and your family’s, contribution to making the world a better place. I’d like to think that my service was aligned to the same outcomes."
Likewise Etarip.
Enjoy the rest of your day mate.
"Albanese's comments yesterday show that he is living about 6 months in the past and also hand to mouth."
yep, albanese showed his true form yesterday, as did kristine keneeley this morning on insiders...
ignore any concerns whatsoever, tell everyone they are being very naughty boys, then divert to the violent extremists in the group, and shut down, pathetic...
the violent extremists would be lucky to make up 0.001 percent now with the numbers they are getting, and I must say, to have all those thousands and thousands of people camping, living, and protesting together in such close quarters with such haphazard organisation and what appears to be essentially no security, is a credit to the people involved... the big day out cartel would be envious of such minimalist management procedures required...
yep, there's some real froot loops giving speeches, and many of their demands are not realistic at all really. but this constant misrepresentation of the vast majority of the people present is just plain desperate, ...and frankly not working at all, anyone with an internet connection can see the reality
and fwiw, that crazy dave dude or whoever, that vicmoron posts to deplatform a whole movement, had hardly one watching him, and even lost that minimal crowd when he went full off rails... but nice try...
why don't you post some of the indigenous music and singing in language?
that shit's right up your normal v signalling alley... and tbh, some of it looks like some pretty special moments were had... a true coming together... beautiful stuff that shames some the abc's contrived token daily gestures...
but carry on vicmoron
your absolute absolutism ....about being absolutely wrong about everything, is entertaining anyway...
and, I think labor should be very very careful with the trajectory they are clearly veering on
what they are offering looks uglier by the day, and lives for more than one election cycle
if they were to back one into an either / or corner with what they are currently offering.... one might just vote conservative for the first time ever...
this shit is much much bigger than a 3 year election cycle
Thanks Ben. Likewise
Found one of VicLocal & Stoks deranged cult members in Canberra
What a fruit loop, and there is plenty of em.
If Victoria is the arsehole of Australia, Canberra is the surely the bowels containing the faeces.
The Vaccine made me do it ! he he
For every Sovereign Citizen there’s a hypochondriacal boomer who thinks sitting next to an unvaccinated person is a death sentence and for every Lizard people QAnon believer there’s a weirdo who thinks the difference between an unvaccinated vs vaccinated person giving covid to their mother is murder.For every person who thinks the vaccine contains 5G microchips there’s a person who thinks covid is an indiscriminate killer which hunts the unvaccinated.
There’s deranged extremists everywhere in society on both sides of every fence . Both sides have misinformation and lies. The trick is not to become an extremist weirdo yourself and to put plenty of distance between yourself and the freaks.
Oh dear.....
I guess that chick just made herself famous.
Again, the division continues, whilst the governments get away with, quite literally, murder. At what point are we all going to realise we're all in this together and stop turning on each other????
And question for @VL....i haven't watched the news. Did Canberra get trashed by the protesters? What happened??
Nice try Blowin.
But the hypochondriac boomers you describe more than likely either have some form health complication or maybe live with someone who does. You likening them to the QANON paedos in parliament brigade just shows how warped your view of reality is.
Guess that's what happens when you have an information diet of far right commentators constantly feeding you their misinformation.
That person may be facing some serious charges, using a car as a weapon is not looked upon lightly. Pretty weird she was sprouting to get out of Canberra when she had NSW plates . There’s definitely cooked units on both sides .
@burls
Fuck me as someone from Melbs I can relate to the poor Canberrans.
We had weeks on end of cooked units coming into the city for their marches and flag waving. Heaps coming from. All over the state.
To know that there's a crowd cheering on Craig Kelly on your city's streets is just flat out depressing.
Didn’t think it would take long for stok to make an excuse for that girls behavior , imagine if it was the other way , he would be letting fly with all sorts of ranting and raving.
Interesting read about some people who wander too far down the rabbit hole:
https://www.theage.com.au/national/victoria/falling-into-the-freedom-mov...
I've created a spreadsheet forecast which I'll update as we go..
There's also a website with live running data.. https://sites.google.com/view/stayhomeaustralia