COVID-19 Health System Overload Forecaster
Blowin wrote:Oh oh….the British Medical Journal has jumped on board the tin foil hat 5 g lizard people conspiracy theory train and pondered why the least trusted industry on the planet ( pharmaceutical) has been gifted a green light to mandate the world with products upon which they refuse to release trial data.
Sicko will be upset. He knows well that we plebs should just shut up and do as the metaphorical All Knowing Man standing next to the blackboard tells us all to do!
Can you imagine if a SN punter had written a similar post as the BMJ article ? They would have been shouted down and ridiculed.
You can’t ring fence a state when omicron is now the dominate strain.
Roadkill wrote:You can’t ring fence a state when omicron is now the dominate strain.
unless your health service's are not ready and nothing extra has been put in place...a disaster in the making!
2 years to prepare! Seriously what's going on over there. On another planet.
The 2nd booster will save WA, thought the pro jabbers blowing out all the stats would be happy. He's keeping you safe lol.
Robo wrote:The 2nd booster will save WA, thought the pro jabbers blowing out all the stats would be happy. He's keeping you safe lol.
Taj is fucked then
Craig wrote:2 years to prepare! Seriously what's going on over there. On another planet.
MacGowan governs for the mining interests who want continuity of business. They don’t care about the health system. The fact that the mining industry has its lips shut about MacGowan tells you everything you need to know, He’s doing their bidding and so they’ve no need to correct his course .
The US has a do not travel to Australia warning. You pro jabbers can't have it both ways, banging on how bad it all is, but then complain about WA trying to keep their state safe that has NO covid, all because your jab doesn't work.
Time to wake up.
https://travel.state.gov/content/travel/en/traveladvisories/traveladviso...
Blowin wrote:Craig wrote:2 years to prepare! Seriously what's going on over there. On another planet.
MacGowan governs for the mining interests who want continuity of business. They don’t care about the health system. The fact that the mining industry has its lips shut about MacGowan tells you everything you need to know, He’s doing their bidding and so they’ve no need to correct his course .
You would think twiggy , gina and slim would flick the health system a few billion and maybe also give tourism operations some relief money, it’s not like they have lost money during this pandemic. https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-01-17/oxfam-report-covid-pandemic-billi... https://www.9news.com.au/national/aussie-billionaires-double-wealth-duri...
MacGowan has learnt from Dictator Dan the invaluable lesson of blaming the population for his own failings. According to the Dictator’s logic , if the health system struggles it’s because some haven’t had their 18th jab and not because the politicians doubled the populations of their states over the last 15 years without upgrading the health system.
Victim blaming is so hot right now.
80% triple dose required before opening the border. Hands up whose seen the medical and scientific evidence supporting this medieval thinking?
brutus wrote:Dear real Donny trumpy , .....can you explain to your followers , why you recommended getting double Vaxxed with a Booster?
1) was it fear of because you are so old and obese
2) was it because Covid would mess with your orangeness?
3) was it because you were totally responsible for Warp speed rollout and save the USA?
4) was it because you invented the vaccine?
5) was it because you were paid by the Big Pharma lobby?
6) was it because you hold anti-vaxxers in contempt?
7) was it because you have too many supporters and wanted to get booed at your latest rally's
8) was it because Faucci told you to?
9) was it because you had another brain cell transplanted and your IQ went finally into double figures?
10) was it because Stormy Daniels made you?
11) was it because women wouldn't let you grab their pussy's anymore?
12) was it because...c'mon SN'ers more????
The real Donald Trump wrote:soon enough the jab junkies will need an immune system that has to stand on it's own 2 feet...
THEN they are fucked. It's called VAIDS.
there's plenty of things other than covid that can take you down.
ah pootus, another MSM brainwashed zombie busy piling on The Donald , who came and went with ZERO negative effect on anyone in Australia, whilst Stairman Dan sunk his state with irrepairable debt and social carnage, but hey that's cool.
pootus no doubt totally onboard with the de-platforming of The Donald whilst Twitter keeps the Taliban's account open, cos ya know pootus is a big bad freedom fighter and champion of the oppressed.
pootus go have a crap on the shitter, read your hard copy of the Steele Dosier and blow it out ya ass.
You’re going to love meeting Sicko!
He’s the last person in the world still claiming that Trump is a Russian agent. He is doing so this morning!
Sicko reminds me of that Japanese soldier who was still fighting the war in the Pacific in 1971. Same vibe except that Sicko is fighting a war which was invented by a corrupt corporate media on a battle field which never existed. Even the corporate media has sheepishly walked away from their lies but Sicko is still trying to rally the troops against Trump and his Russian army.
Lol
listen up jab junkies, the covid caper is crumbling under the weight of lies and bullshit data.
if you've bought into the biggest con job ever foisted on mankind, you will go down in history as dumber than thsoe who believed in WMDs and supported the Iraq war.
From here, you have 2 choices...
1. Keep getting jacked up with whatever franken-juice they say, whenever they say.
2. say NO MORE and join the deplorable 'anti-vaccers' .
I don't care, get whacked up as you like, I am pro-vacc for pro-vaccers.
Get 'em inta ya, happy days.
Ha ha good one Blowie, love the new name and now you can talk to yourself when everyone else can't be bothered with your bullshit. You can't fool me...it's The Real Blowie...
It ain't no con-job, the virus has evolved and mutated as epidemiologists have expected and predicted, becoming less deadly/severe. And it should continue to do so until it becomes endemic.
Blowin wrote:MacGowan has learnt from Dictator Dan the invaluable lesson of blaming the population for his own failings. According to the Dictator’s logic , if the health system struggles it’s because some haven’t had their 18th jab and not because the politicians doubled the populations of their states over the last 15 years without upgrading the health system.
That would be McClown who said a few months ago that quote "our hospitals are already full of people experiencing 'a delayed covid response' "... when there was zero covid cases in the state.
what he was actually saying, without knowing how to say it, was that WA hospitals were already full of people suffering vacc injuries.
Describing it as "delayed covid responses" was the best he could do other than saying our Hospitals are full of people fucked up by the vaccs.
Victim blaming is so hot right now.
80% triple dose required before opening the border. Hands up whose seen the medical and scientific evidence supporting this medieval thinking?
Craig wrote:It ain't no con-job, the virus has evolved and mutated as epidemiologists have expected and predicted, becoming less deadly/severe. And it should continue to do so until it becomes endemic.
So you should be supporting Marky from WA then, not complaining.
That would be McClown who said a few months ago that quote "our hospitals are already full of people experiencing 'a delayed covid response' "... when there was zero covid cases in the state.
what he was actually saying, without knowing how to say it, was that WA hospitals were already full of people suffering vacc injuries.
Craig wrote:It ain't no con-job, the virus has evolved and mutated as epidemiologists have expected and predicted, becoming less deadly/severe. And it should continue to do so until it becomes endemic.
yep, was always going to, that was part of the con job.
The current strain is weak as piss so why are they going after whacking the kids and pumping the boosters.
blindboy wrote:Ha ha good one Blowie, love the new name and now you can talk to yourself when everyone else can't be bothered with your bullshit. You can't fool me...it's The Real Blowie...
yeah champion, just go get ya boosters, don't forget the kiddies.
what ever happened to surfers' rage against the machine ?
ya's used to be full of bravado and swagger and independence.
a by-design wu flu comes along and ya's just capitulate and line up for the franken-juice experiment.
meanwhile The Donald lives on rent free in somes' heads, and they pile on Novax or now Slater n Medo.
The witch hunt should be on Fauci, the drug Co's , but no one seems to give a fuck.
blindboy wrote:Ha ha good one Blowie, love the new name and now you can talk to yourself when everyone else can't be bothered with your bullshit. You can't fool me...it's The Real Blowie...
I was thinking it was snowflake also.
I knew it wasn't SF, as there wasn't enough gramma errors to be him.
McGowan is going to take a hammering after the borders open. My daughter is a physio at a hospital which has become an overflow for one of the major hospitals. She does rehab for stroke victims etc. So understaffed she is wiping peoples bums as they are left in toilets. Is now dealing with terminal cancer patients who come from the major hospital as they need beds. McGowan was supposed to build a new ward at the hospital to deal with influx of covid patients. Two years since this was greenlighted to be built. Earthworks started last week. What a joke. So much time to have this built. The health system in WA is going to be in massive trouble when covid hits. My daughter is seriously thinking of quitting as the stress already is very high without the impact of covid running rampant in WA. The McGowan party is over me thinks.
Sad to read and hear Oxrox, best of luck to her and the family in the months ahead. Incompetence from the top to the bottom.
I am still waiting for to hear from the antivaxxers as to why they are so shit scared of a few dead protein spikes jabbed into a muscle but aren't at all concerned about billions of live protein spikes replicating in all their major organs.
The World has turned into two tribes, the silent majority 95% of normal people versus the noisy 5% of clueless fucked up units with mental health issues.
Craig wrote:It ain't no con-job, the virus has evolved and mutated as epidemiologists have expected and predicted, becoming less deadly/severe. And it should continue to do so until it becomes endemic.
So did the government not listen to these experts Craig?
If it was expected/predicted why is the government still going ahead with making kids pin cushions for an out of date vaccine?
Just some thoughts I’ve been having ....
Not that long ago indigenous people lived in harmony with the land, without disease without pneumonia.
It feels like the world is getting sicker and sicker , especially in the last ten years the severity and duration of colds and flus being much stronger than before. What may have been once a few days of feeling off and resting in bed without much hoo-ha has now often become a 2 -3 week sickness with major chest infection. Are immune systems on the whole getting weaker? What happened to us?
I actually feel sad for humanity.
old-dog wrote:I am still waiting for to hear from the antivaxxers as to why they are so shit scared of a few dead protein spikes jabbed into a muscle but aren't at all concerned about billions of live protein spikes replicating in all their major organs.
The World has turned into two tribes, the silent majority 95% of normal people versus the noisy 5% of clueless fucked up units with mental health issues.
Old-dog right on cue with another pointless post with wrong stats.
95% of the world hey? Get a grip on reality.
Millions up on millions of people have now had this scary/deadly virus with no more than a headache and sweats for a couple of days.
The con job is exposed, you’ll soon be the minority
saltyone wrote:Just some thoughts I’ve been having ....
Not that long ago indigenous people lived in harmony with the land, without disease without pneumonia.
It feels like the world is getting sicker and sicker , especially in the last ten years the severity and duration of colds and flus being much stronger than before. What may have been once a few days of feeling off and resting in bed without much hoo-ha has now often become a 2 -3 week sickness with major chest infection. Are immune systems on the whole getting weaker? What happened to us?
I actually feel sad for humanity.
Short answer… Food
There is a documentary called “in defence of food” which you should watch
Roaddill said “I knew it wasn't SF, as there wasn't enough gramma errors to be him. “…..you are a strange one indeed, I simply asked what was a barody as I couldn’t work out what you were on about . That turned into suddenly me being all high and mighty about grammar and spelling mistakes ( something I’ve never mentioned ) you still haven’t explained what a barody is and you never will as you rarely explain to people who question what the fuck your on about . I must give you credit though , as you are very good at making shit up .
saltyone.... I honestly cant remember the last time I was sick. Lucky I guess.
burleigh wrote:saltyone wrote:Just some thoughts I’ve been having ....
Not that long ago indigenous people lived in harmony with the land, without disease without pneumonia.
It feels like the world is getting sicker and sicker , especially in the last ten years the severity and duration of colds and flus being much stronger than before. What may have been once a few days of feeling off and resting in bed without much hoo-ha has now often become a 2 -3 week sickness with major chest infection. Are immune systems on the whole getting weaker? What happened to us?
I actually feel sad for humanity.Short answer… Food
There is a documentary called “in defence of food” which you should watch
For once i agree with burleigh....food. Pumped to the gills with antibiotics, produced in the abhorrent of conditions (if it's meat) or likely so unnatural (if it's veg).
Also, we travel (pre-2020) in the most unnatural ways.
Immune systems are not designed to cope with the scale of population movement and contact which we're seeing now.
Not defending Mark from the west, but I think there's an underlying misunderstanding among the group here that hospitals and public health are easy to manage, easy to fund, and easy to quickly be whipped into shape.
The spotlight has been shone on how 'just in time' our supply chains and healthcare systems really are, and they're absolutely not scalable in any efficient manner.
To sit around here and say 'they've had 2 years to fix it!' is a bit unfair - when probably if you asked people in the know, back in 2019, they'd be saying we need 5 years + to fix our health system before we even had a whiff that a pandemic was around the corner.
saltyone wrote:Just some thoughts I’ve been having ....
Not that long ago indigenous people lived in harmony with the land, without disease without pneumonia.
It feels like the world is getting sicker and sicker , especially in the last ten years the severity and duration of colds and flus being much stronger than before. What may have been once a few days of feeling off and resting in bed without much hoo-ha has now often become a 2 -3 week sickness with major chest infection. Are immune systems on the whole getting weaker? What happened to us?
I actually feel sad for humanity.
Life expediency for indigenous people like most of the world before modern times would have been about 30 years, it's now 70+ for most of the world.
And people would have died from all kinds of simple things, including birth complications, high rate of deaths in babies and children, deaths from simple things like infections and although they would have had a tiny fraction of the disease and viruses we have now as we have the whole worlds disease and viruses they still would have had some and odd case of cancer etc
Yeah sure there is an argument in some cases for a weaker immune system in many these days due to lack of exposure to certain bacteria etc, but overall humans have a much much better health and life expediency rate than ever before. (obesity is an issue though)
saltyone wrote:Just some thoughts I’ve been having ....
Not that long ago indigenous people lived in harmony with the land, without disease without pneumonia.
It feels like the world is getting sicker and sicker , especially in the last ten years the severity and duration of colds and flus being much stronger than before. What may have been once a few days of feeling off and resting in bed without much hoo-ha has now often become a 2 -3 week sickness with major chest infection. Are immune systems on the whole getting weaker? What happened to us?
I actually feel sad for humanity.
You might find this interesting saltyone , just under 1 hour long https://iview.abc.net.au/video/DO1956H003S00
Unfortunately, indigenous populations both here and elsewhere, living the most healthy lives, were almost wiped out by novel pathogens their immune systems had no exposure to.
I wonder if places like WA and NZ in the long run will have issues due to lack of exposure to Covid and lack of natural immunity.
Yesterday i posted an article and study that showed in the USA during Delta natural immunity was even more effective than the vaccinations (but both help)
Below
indo-dreaming wrote:"Prior COVID infection more protective than vaccination during Delta surge -U.S. study
People who had previously been infected with COVID-19 were better protected against the Delta variant than those who were vaccinated alone, suggesting that natural immunity was a more potent shield than vaccines against that variant, California and New York health officials reported on Wednesday.
Protection against Delta was highest, however, among people who were both vaccinated and had survived a previous COVID infection, and lowest among those who had never been infected or vaccinated, the study found."
Continued here
https://www.reuters.com/business/healthcare-pharmaceuticals/prior-covid-...
Study here https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/71/wr/mm7104e1.htm?s_cid=mm7104e1_w
Is the reason WA and the rest of the state’s hospitals are in such bad shape not just because governments have not properly funded them for the last couple of decades but because everyone involved was banking on the vaccines to solve the pandemic ?
no country has been able to ramp up hospital builds and train new staff in 2 years to combat a pandemic..it isn't possible.
No one has the answers before it all happens.
It is easy to criticise what has happened, afterwards.
I would hate to be in the position our politicians are in...no matter what they do..it is wrong to many.
sypkan wrote:....stok, if you haven't worked it out by now, there's massive misinformation campaigns atm, ...massive, campaignS... coming from, and at, all angles...
I've got 2 points Sypkan:
Firstly:
I agree that misinformation can come from both sides, but accountability plays a huge factor. Yes, some politicians and health experts roll the dice in their position of power, and try to cover something up for potentially sinister reasons - but it's risky AF. You'd need a team of tight lipped and switched on people to pull it off. I've worked in corporate for a while now, and I've lost count of the amount of times supposedly tier 1 clients have sent out confidential information accidentally. So, if you're in a position of power and accountability - the gateways needed for you to decide to go down the misinformation path would be very, very significant. Court systems are independent in Australia - if you get caught you'd face significant penalties.
Whereas, if you're a commentator, a member of the opposition, a journalist or a pop scientist going on podcasts to discuss health policy - the accountability is effectively non-existent. If you're a good talker, you can pretty much weasel your way out of any shit you've talked.
So - yes, there's mis-information coming from both sides, but the contrarian side will quite likely be dirtier, more childish and frankly more dangerous.
Secondly:
Don't underestimate the factor of incompetence.
What may be seen, and sold, as some form of cover up for sinister reasons, is probably very likely a cover up due to incompetence.
This thread has become a form of daily entertainment for those of us that couldn't be bothered getting into the fray.
BUT for those of you from both sides of the fence that do, there's a line from a Lou Reed song which I think came from and Edgar Allen Poe novel that says " Believe half of what you see and nothing of what you hear." So after a bit of online "Google resurch" I found the following interpretation of this quote:
1) "Believe None Of What You Hear."
More precisely, believe none of what you hear without verifying the accuracy.
For many reasons, what you hear may be incorrect. While a real-life story may sound convincing, the party disseminating the information may be untruthful, may be mistaken, or may be giving a personal interpretation. Most of what we hear is not a fact. It is an opinion.
When we hear a story from someone else, it is usually coloured by the storyteller's perceptions. Consciously or otherwise, people are selective about what they include and what they omit. Person A's version of a story may differ radically from Person B's version and Person C's version.
Once you hear a story, presume it may not be accurate. If the content of the story is important to you, then obtain the facts on your own and decide for yourself. In the absence of receiving those facts, keep an open mind.
2) "And Believe Half Of What You See."
More precisely, believe a portion of what you see and verify the rest. Use your best judgement to determine which portion to believe and which portion to verify.
Seeing something first-hand is particularly compelling, but a great deal of what we see is an illusion. Even with 20/20 sight, "our eyes can deceive us." There are millions of instances where our vision misguides us. When observing, we can be absolutely certain and absolutely wrong (at the same time!).
Anyway carry on. It's an interesting thread especially with newcomers like The Real Donald injecting some new fucktardery into the discussion.
Thanks supa I’ll have a watch of that soon
Supafreak wrote:Is the reason WA and the rest of the state’s hospitals are in such bad shape not just because governments have not properly funded them for the last couple of decades but because everyone involved was banking on the vaccines to solve the pandemic ?
There'd be no way that would be the case.
The amount of risk modelling and assessment completed would never have banked on that.
Thanks for that GaryG, appreciated.
So how's it going let it rip / anti vax crew?
Another 66 dead in NSW and Victoria.
How's the economy going? Pretty fucking shit given how so many people have covid or have to isolate because they can't get a RAT because some fuckwit PM didn't order them until it was a full blown crisis.
No doubt you arse-clowns will be spending the day on this forum saying it's not a problem and pushing batshit crazy anti-vax bullshit.
Roadkill wrote:no country has been able to ramp up hospital builds and train new staff in 2 years to combat a pandemic..it isn't possible.
No one has the answers before it all happens.
It is easy to criticise what has happened, afterwards.
I would hate to be in the position our politicians are in...no matter what they do..it is wrong to many.
Didn’t China build a hospital in 12 days or maybe less , Im sure in New York they built temporary purpose built covid wards in days also . https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-02-03/china-completes-wuhan-makeshift-h... https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/21/nyregion/coronavirus-hospital-usta-qu... like I said you’re good at making shit up
So at the NSW press conference today the say that 50% of patients in ICU are unvaccinated yet the death toll all week is roughly 75% (sometimes more) fully vaccinated.
Total 46 deaths - 32 vaccinated
Now as we all know they generally have serious underlying health conditions (especially under 65)
If ICU is 50% jabbed, why are the deaths 75% jabbed?
Vic Local wrote:So how's it going let it rip / anti vax crew?
Another 66 dead in NSW and Victoria.
How's the economy going? Pretty fucking shit given how so many people have covid or have to isolate because they can't get a RAT because some fuckwit PM didn't order them until it was a full blown crisis.
No doubt you arse-clowns will be spending the day on this forum saying it's not a problem and pushing batshit crazy anti-vax bullshit.
Vic, did these people have serious underlying health conditions? How many over 80?
News flash, people die, and people died before covid.
It’s not the dooms day you want.
garyg1412 wrote:This thread has become a form of daily entertainment for those of us that couldn't be bothered getting into the fray.
BUT for those of you from both sides of the fence that do, there's a line from a Lou Reed song which I think came from and Edgar Allen Poe novel that says " Believe half of what you see and nothing of what you hear." So after a bit of online "Google resurch" I found the following interpretation of this quote:
1) "Believe None Of What You Hear."
More precisely, believe none of what you hear without verifying the accuracy.
For many reasons, what you hear may be incorrect. While a real-life story may sound convincing, the party disseminating the information may be untruthful, may be mistaken, or may be giving a personal interpretation. Most of what we hear is not a fact. It is an opinion.
When we hear a story from someone else, it is usually coloured by the storyteller's perceptions. Consciously or otherwise, people are selective about what they include and what they omit. Person A's version of a story may differ radically from Person B's version and Person C's version.
Once you hear a story, presume it may not be accurate. If the content of the story is important to you, then obtain the facts on your own and decide for yourself. In the absence of receiving those facts, keep an open mind.
2) "And Believe Half Of What You See."
More precisely, believe a portion of what you see and verify the rest. Use your best judgement to determine which portion to believe and which portion to verify.
Seeing something first-hand is particularly compelling, but a great deal of what we see is an illusion. Even with 20/20 sight, "our eyes can deceive us." There are millions of instances where our vision misguides us. When observing, we can be absolutely certain and absolutely wrong (at the same time!).Anyway carry on. It's an interesting thread especially with newcomers like The Real Donald injecting some new fucktardery into the discussion.
Good post.
But, it's kind of the issue with covid right? For so long, we only 'heard' about it, and still, only a few of us have truly 'seen it'. People can't fathom the threat to society.
Like in the USA, despite the number of deaths, there'd still be plenty of people who would not know anyone who died of covid.
Covid has tested people's psychology around the 'what i can't see can't hurt me' idea.
Our response would probably have been pretty different if it was say, an alien invasion, where unless we acted and prepared, aliens kill 0.05% annually of our population in the most graphic and frightening way.
Of course, most people associate needles with pain....and you can certainly see them!
One of the unmentioned factors regarding WA,s hospitals situation is the sheer population increase over the last decade . Margs itself has doubled in population from 2000-2010 and then doubled again since (thanks covid ), this growth doesnt look to be slowing down regardless of the fact we have been closed for a couple of years.
Our hospital is fairly good ( for general stuff, no major operations or the like ) unless you have a complication and your off to a big regional hospital an hr away in Bunbury. Our state is giant but there are only a couple of major regional hospitals fed by lots of tiny ones.
The state Gov replaced an ancient childrens hospital in Perth a couple of years ago with an incredible new one and Fiona Stanley in very new also.
It,s just the extra million or so FIFO, skilled immigrant workforce, east coast surfers that have relocated (fucking heaps) , backpackers, students etc etc which will sky rocket again once things open up .
Watching whats going on everywhere else and knowing the inevitability of what will happen here eventually keeping the door shut a bit longer is a pretty good idea if you have the luxury of it.
I've created a spreadsheet forecast which I'll update as we go..
There's also a website with live running data.. https://sites.google.com/view/stayhomeaustralia