COVID-19 Health System Overload Forecaster

Supafreak wrote:

Roadkill wrote:

no country has been able to ramp up hospital builds and train new staff in 2 years to combat a pandemic..it isn't possible.

No one has the answers before it all happens.

It is easy to criticise what has happened, afterwards.

I would hate to be in the position our politicians are in...no matter what they do..it is wrong to many.

Didn’t China build a hospital in 12 days or maybe less , Im sure in New York they built temporary purpose built covid wards in days also . https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-02-03/china-completes-wuhan-makeshift-h... https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/21/nyregion/coronavirus-hospital-usta-qu... like I said you’re good at making shit up

Yep, and they had no problem knocking up covid jails and finding thousands upon thousands of people the jab the poison into arms.

The governments relied on the making people pin cushions and obviously didn’t listen the experts if they predicted new variants etc

Supafreak wrote:

Is the reason WA and the rest of the state’s hospitals are in such bad shape not just because governments have not properly funded them for the last couple of decades but because everyone involved was banking on the vaccines to solve the pandemic ?

Are they though?

I posted this yesterday, look at the infrastructure rating its the highest of all countries.

Its the medicine availability and professionals ranking that brings our rank down, otherwise we rank very highly in other areas.

Like i said yesterday No heath system is designed to deal with a pandemic though, nothing in society is

https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/best-healthcare-in-th... https://ceoworld.biz/2021/04/27/revealed-countries-with-the-best-health-...

Roadkill wrote:

no country has been able to ramp up hospital builds and train new staff in 2 years to combat a pandemic..it isn't possible.

No one has the answers before it all happens.

It is easy to criticise what has happened, afterwards.

I would hate to be in the position our politicians are in...no matter what they do..it is wrong to many.

100%

Although i think China is the exception building hospitals in weeks, but it would take weeks to months in Australia just to get approval of a site

indo-dreaming wrote:

Roadkill wrote:

no country has been able to ramp up hospital builds and train new staff in 2 years to combat a pandemic..it isn't possible.

No one has the answers before it all happens.

It is easy to criticise what has happened, afterwards.

I would hate to be in the position our politicians are in...no matter what they do..it is wrong to many.

100%

Although i think China is the exception building hospitals in weeks, but it would take weeks to months in Australia just to get approval of a site

Rushing through an experimental vaccine under emergency use means they can also run through building approvals.

Yet they did nothing

indo-dreaming wrote:

Roadkill wrote:

no country has been able to ramp up hospital builds and train new staff in 2 years to combat a pandemic..it isn't possible.

No one has the answers before it all happens.

It is easy to criticise what has happened, afterwards.

I would hate to be in the position our politicians are in...no matter what they do..it is wrong to many.

100%

Although i think China is the exception building hospitals in weeks, but it would take weeks to months in Australia just to get approval of a site

It is not only buildings. It needs staff to run them, infrastructure to support them. We can't train a workforce up for multiple sites in 2 years. As it is now, Australia has a health staffing isuue.

burleigh wrote:

indo-dreaming wrote:

Roadkill wrote:

no country has been able to ramp up hospital builds and train new staff in 2 years to combat a pandemic..it isn't possible.

No one has the answers before it all happens.

It is easy to criticise what has happened, afterwards.

I would hate to be in the position our politicians are in...no matter what they do..it is wrong to many.

100%

Although i think China is the exception building hospitals in weeks, but it would take weeks to months in Australia just to get approval of a site

Rushing through an experimental vaccine under emergency use means they can also run through building approvals.

Yet they did nothing

1 trick pony burleigh....repeats the same old thing again and agaian and again....yada yada yada

Roaddill said “It is not only buildings. It needs staff to run them, infrastructure to support them. We can't train a workforce up for multiple sites in 2 years. As it is now, Australia has a health staffing isuue. “…………………..The private hospitals agreement will see up to 57,000 nurses and [more than] 100,000 staff made available to Omicron-affected areas around the country," he said. https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-01-18/private-hospitals-take-public-pat... Dill by name dill by nature.

old-dog wrote:

I am still waiting for to hear from the antivaxxers as to why they are so shit scared of a few dead protein spikes jabbed into a muscle but aren't at all concerned about billions of live protein spikes replicating in all their major organs.
The World has turned into two tribes, the silent majority 95% of normal people versus the noisy 5% of clueless fucked up units with mental health issues.

I dont think any one is shit scared of the vax; more tired of the deceit and lies surrounding it. Especially as the science no longer supports it.

blindboy wrote:

Ha ha good one Blowie, love the new name and now you can talk to yourself when everyone else can't be bothered with your bullshit. You can't fool me...it's The Real Blowie...

“You can’t fool me “ says Sicko as he fools himself.

I was wrong about one thing and I’ll admit it. I was wrong when I said you were about 10% as smart as you think you are. The truth is more like 5%.

Roadkill wrote:

no country has been able to ramp up hospital builds and train new staff in 2 years to combat a pandemic..it isn't possible.

No one has the answers before it all happens.

It is easy to criticise what has happened, afterwards.

I would hate to be in the position our politicians are in...no matter what they do..it is wrong to many.

Every developed nation, including Australia, had pre existing pandemic preparedness plans officially drawn up many years before this virus. I think Australia’s plan was actually quite recently updated ? None of the preparedness plans suggested lockdowns or mass vaccination by mandate .

The plans were put in place explicitly and specifically to combat the arrival of novel viruses.

The plans were dismissed, ignored and forgotten.

Why? What changed?

What led our government to immediately abandon the plans they’d had generated by health experts in order to combat the exact same situation which occurred and made them ignore the expertise and introduce house arrest for healthy people?

Roadkill wrote:

indo-dreaming wrote:

Roadkill wrote:

no country has been able to ramp up hospital builds and train new staff in 2 years to combat a pandemic..it isn't possible.

No one has the answers before it all happens.

It is easy to criticise what has happened, afterwards.

I would hate to be in the position our politicians are in...no matter what they do..it is wrong to many.

100%

Although i think China is the exception building hospitals in weeks, but it would take weeks to months in Australia just to get approval of a site

It is not only buildings. It needs staff to run them, infrastructure to support them. We can't train a workforce up for multiple sites in 2 years. As it is now, Australia has a health staffing isuue.

2 years to train people in a deadly “pandemic”? Nah let’s fire workers instead.

Stok wrote:

sypkan wrote:

....stok, if you haven't worked it out by now, there's massive misinformation campaigns atm, ...massive, campaignS... coming from, and at, all angles...

I've got 2 points Sypkan:

Firstly:
I agree that misinformation can come from both sides, but accountability plays a huge factor. Yes, some politicians and health experts roll the dice in their position of power, and try to cover something up for potentially sinister reasons - but it's risky AF. You'd need a team of tight lipped and switched on people to pull it off. I've worked in corporate for a while now, and I've lost count of the amount of times supposedly tier 1 clients have sent out confidential information accidentally. So, if you're in a position of power and accountability - the gateways needed for you to decide to go down the misinformation path would be very, very significant. Court systems are independent in Australia - if you get caught you'd face significant penalties.

Whereas, if you're a commentator, a member of the opposition, a journalist or a pop scientist going on podcasts to discuss health policy - the accountability is effectively non-existent. If you're a good talker, you can pretty much weasel your way out of any shit you've talked.

So - yes, there's mis-information coming from both sides, but the contrarian side will quite likely be dirtier, more childish and frankly more dangerous.

Secondly:
Don't underestimate the factor of incompetence.
What may be seen, and sold, as some form of cover up for sinister reasons, is probably very likely a cover up due to incompetence.

Incompetence doesn’t cover situations such as two years of exaggerating covid hospitalisation and death rates through misrepresentative data.

You honestly believe that in two years no one thought to correct the issue of people who’ve been hospitalised for broken legs being counted as covid statistics? Lol.

In rare cases, coronavirus vaccines may cause Long Covid–like symptoms
Brain fog, headaches, blood pressure swings are being probed by NIH and other researchers https://www.science.org/content/article/rare-cases-coronavirus-vaccines-.... Just curious as to how rare . Probably just another conspiracy from science org , what do ya reckon ?

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So Blowie, what about these graphs that show globsally there has been a massive UNDERCOUNT of covid deaths? You dodged the issue yesterday (as usual).

dnd 5e dice roller

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burleigh wrote:

Supafreak wrote:

Roadkill wrote:

no country has been able to ramp up hospital builds and train new staff in 2 years to combat a pandemic..it isn't possible.

No one has the answers before it all happens.

It is easy to criticise what has happened, afterwards.

I would hate to be in the position our politicians are in...no matter what they do..it is wrong to many.

Didn’t China build a hospital in 12 days or maybe less , Im sure in New York they built temporary purpose built covid wards in days also . https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-02-03/china-completes-wuhan-makeshift-h... https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/21/nyregion/coronavirus-hospital-usta-qu... like I said you’re good at making shit up

Yep, and they had no problem knocking up covid jails and finding thousands upon thousands of people the jab the poison into arms.

The governments relied on the making people pin cushions and obviously didn’t listen the experts if they predicted new variants etc

They just used hotels in Perth city as "covid jails" , already built many years ago , didnt "knock up "any such things but no point letting facts or truth getting in the way of good post zinger burley
keep trying mate

blindboy wrote:

So Blowie, what about these graphs that show globsally there has been a massive UNDERCOUNT of covid deaths? You dodged the issue yesterday (as usual).

dnd 5e dice roller

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Vaccine deaths I’d imagine. I haven’t looked into it. Suicides ? The millions of people starved to death as result of disrupted economies fighting the Death Plague? I’m not sure.

If it was anyone else asking me I’d look into it.

As soon as I see the data described as an estimate from a model I pretty much dismiss it out of hand. I’ve no idea how the modelling was established or who performed it. Could be more of your made up bullshit statistics like the covid hospitalisation and fatality rates.

Blowin wrote:

Incompetence doesn’t cover situations such as two years of exaggerating covid hospitalisation and death rates through misrepresentative data.

You honestly believe that in two years no one thought to correct the issue of people who’ve been hospitalised for broken legs being counted as covid statistics? Lol.

And do you honestly believe all the experts around the world, jumped on a Zoom call or whatever, and decided that would be the strategy? To try to trick the public into making this event seem worse than it was, by drastically overstating deaths using a very conspicuous counting method?

Supafreak wrote:

In rare cases, coronavirus vaccines may cause Long Covid–like symptoms
Brain fog, headaches, blood pressure swings are being probed by NIH and other researchers https://www.science.org/content/article/rare-cases-coronavirus-vaccines-.... Just curious as to how rare .

And in breaking news for the idiots.

In VERY COMMON cases, coronavirus DOES cause Long covid.
Brain fog, headaches, blood pressure swings tiredness and
• difficulty breathing
• a persistent cough
• chest pain
• joint pain
• not enough energy to exercise
• fever
• headaches
• problems with memory and difficulty thinking clearly (‘brain fog’)
• depression or anxiety.
And many more symptoms that are far worse than rare occurances from a vaccine.

Supafreak wrote:

In rare cases, coronavirus vaccines may cause Long Covid–like symptoms
Brain fog, headaches, blood pressure swings are being probed by NIH and other researchers https://www.science.org/content/article/rare-cases-coronavirus-vaccines-.... Just curious as to how rare . Probably just another conspiracy from science org , what do ya reckon ?

very rare

Vic Local wrote:

So how's it going let it rip / anti vax crew?
Another 66 dead in NSW and Victoria.
How's the economy going? Pretty fucking shit given how so many people have covid or have to isolate because they can't get a RAT because some fuckwit PM didn't order them until it was a full blown crisis.
No doubt you arse-clowns will be spending the day on this forum saying it's not a problem and pushing batshit crazy anti-vax bullshit.

Heard a guy on the radio say he ordered someone out of his front yard cause he didn't have a mask on, even though the guy said he was double poisoned, was that you?

Roadkill wrote:

Supafreak wrote:

In rare cases, coronavirus vaccines may cause Long Covid–like symptoms
Brain fog, headaches, blood pressure swings are being probed by NIH and other researchers https://www.science.org/content/article/rare-cases-coronavirus-vaccines-.... Just curious as to how rare .

And in breaking news for the idiots.

In VERY COMMON cases, coronavirus DOES cause Long covid.
Brain fog, headaches, blood pressure swings tiredness and
• difficulty breathing
• a persistent cough
• chest pain
• joint pain
• not enough energy to exercise
• fever
• headaches
• problems with memory and difficulty thinking clearly (‘brain fog’)
• depression or anxiety.
And many more symptoms that are far worse than rare occurances from a vaccine.

Name someone?

Robo wrote:

Roadkill wrote:

Supafreak wrote:

In rare cases, coronavirus vaccines may cause Long Covid–like symptoms
Brain fog, headaches, blood pressure swings are being probed by NIH and other researchers https://www.science.org/content/article/rare-cases-coronavirus-vaccines-.... Just curious as to how rare .

And in breaking news for the idiots.

In VERY COMMON cases, coronavirus DOES cause Long covid.
Brain fog, headaches, blood pressure swings tiredness and
• difficulty breathing
• a persistent cough
• chest pain
• joint pain
• not enough energy to exercise
• fever
• headaches
• problems with memory and difficulty thinking clearly (‘brain fog’)
• depression or anxiety.
And many more symptoms that are far worse than rare occurances from a vaccine.

Name someone?

Name someone? What does that mean?

mikehunt207 wrote:

burleigh wrote:

Supafreak wrote:

Roadkill wrote:

no country has been able to ramp up hospital builds and train new staff in 2 years to combat a pandemic..it isn't possible.

No one has the answers before it all happens.

It is easy to criticise what has happened, afterwards.

I would hate to be in the position our politicians are in...no matter what they do..it is wrong to many.

Didn’t China build a hospital in 12 days or maybe less , Im sure in New York they built temporary purpose built covid wards in days also . https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-02-03/china-completes-wuhan-makeshift-h... https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/21/nyregion/coronavirus-hospital-usta-qu... like I said you’re good at making shit up

Yep, and they had no problem knocking up covid jails and finding thousands upon thousands of people the jab the poison into arms.

The governments relied on the making people pin cushions and obviously didn’t listen the experts if they predicted new variants etc

They just used hotels in Perth city as "covid jails" , already built many years ago , didnt "knock up "any such things but no point letting facts or truth getting in the way of good post zinger burley
keep trying mate

We’ve got a new contender for dumb dumb of the day.
Many states have built new covid facilities brains.

Stok wrote:

Blowin wrote:

Incompetence doesn’t cover situations such as two years of exaggerating covid hospitalisation and death rates through misrepresentative data.

You honestly believe that in two years no one thought to correct the issue of people who’ve been hospitalised for broken legs being counted as covid statistics? Lol.

And do you honestly believe all the experts around the world, jumped on a Zoom call or whatever, and decided that would be the strategy? To try to trick the public into making this event seem worse than it was, by drastically overstating deaths using a very conspicuous counting method?

I’m not sure about the zoom call but that’s exactly what happened isn’t it?

You explain to me how it came to be that every developed nation used the same fraudulent accounting techniques to establish covid hospitalisation and fatality rates.

This isn’t something I’m making up or exaggerating. It happened and that’s a confirmed truth. It was confirmed by such high profile authorities as the Director of the CDC ( the apex authority in the USA ) and the NSW health minister.

There’s no dispute that the figures were gamed as much larger than they actually were until it was politically inconvenient and the truth was revealed. It’s not a theory that the numbers were inflated , it’s a fact. And those exact same juiced statistics are still being paraded by the minute and the hour.

There is daily hospitalisation numbers on the front page of the SMH everyday and they are falsified towards making the impact of covid seem more imposing. But the media, though complicit, is not responsible for the fraudulent figures. They only report them and do not generate them

Can you explain why?

Roadkill wrote:

Supafreak wrote:

In rare cases, coronavirus vaccines may cause Long Covid–like symptoms
Brain fog, headaches, blood pressure swings are being probed by NIH and other researchers https://www.science.org/content/article/rare-cases-coronavirus-vaccines-.... Just curious as to how rare .

And in breaking news for the idiots.

In VERY COMMON cases, coronavirus DOES cause Long covid.
Brain fog, headaches, blood pressure swings tiredness and
• difficulty breathing
• a persistent cough
• chest pain
• joint pain
• not enough energy to exercise
• fever
• headaches
• problems with memory and difficulty thinking clearly (‘brain fog’)
• depression or anxiety.
And many more symptoms that are far worse than rare occurances from a vaccine.

If this is very common, considering that covid is everywhere, surely you must know a few people with this?

I know nobody, yet I know of several people with reactions from the vaccine including strokes

Thanks Burleigh I’ll have a look at that book

I can name the 1 person in the world that has 3/4 family members get cancer from the covid vaccine = Robo.

burleigh wrote:

mikehunt207 wrote:

burleigh wrote:

Supafreak wrote:

Roadkill wrote:

no country has been able to ramp up hospital builds and train new staff in 2 years to combat a pandemic..it isn't possible.

No one has the answers before it all happens.

It is easy to criticise what has happened, afterwards.

I would hate to be in the position our politicians are in...no matter what they do..it is wrong to many.

Didn’t China build a hospital in 12 days or maybe less , Im sure in New York they built temporary purpose built covid wards in days also . https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-02-03/china-completes-wuhan-makeshift-h... https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/21/nyregion/coronavirus-hospital-usta-qu... like I said you’re good at making shit up

Yep, and they had no problem knocking up covid jails and finding thousands upon thousands of people the jab the poison into arms.

The governments relied on the making people pin cushions and obviously didn’t listen the experts if they predicted new variants etc

They just used hotels in Perth city as "covid jails" , already built many years ago , didnt "knock up "any such things but no point letting facts or truth getting in the way of good post zinger burley
keep trying mate

We’ve got a new contender for dumb dumb of the day.
Many states have built new covid facilities brains.

You watch how quickly MacGowan comes up with covid quarantine facilities like the NT if his mining business masters are even slightly inconvenienced. He will go full authoritarian retard and have crew sent to remote concentration camps without a moments pause. He will make Dictator Dan look like a soft touch.

burleigh wrote:

Roadkill wrote:

Supafreak wrote:

In rare cases, coronavirus vaccines may cause Long Covid–like symptoms
Brain fog, headaches, blood pressure swings are being probed by NIH and other researchers https://www.science.org/content/article/rare-cases-coronavirus-vaccines-.... Just curious as to how rare .

And in breaking news for the idiots.

In VERY COMMON cases, coronavirus DOES cause Long covid.
Brain fog, headaches, blood pressure swings tiredness and
• difficulty breathing
• a persistent cough
• chest pain
• joint pain
• not enough energy to exercise
• fever
• headaches
• problems with memory and difficulty thinking clearly (‘brain fog’)
• depression or anxiety.
And many more symptoms that are far worse than rare occurances from a vaccine.

If this is very common, considering that covid is everywhere, surely you must know a few people with this?

I know nobody, yet I know of several people with reactions from the vaccine including strokes

And 3/4 family members that have developed cancer from the vaccine. Don't forget that, Robo.

And 4 friends that have got shingles from the vaccine.
Don't forget that, Robo.

Robo, do you think long covid is a thing? or is it a made up thing to scare people into getting vaxxed?

burleigh wrote:

mikehunt207 wrote:

burleigh wrote:

Supafreak wrote:

Roadkill wrote:

no country has been able to ramp up hospital builds and train new staff in 2 years to combat a pandemic..it isn't possible.

No one has the answers before it all happens.

It is easy to criticise what has happened, afterwards.

I would hate to be in the position our politicians are in...no matter what they do..it is wrong to many.

Didn’t China build a hospital in 12 days or maybe less , Im sure in New York they built temporary purpose built covid wards in days also . https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-02-03/china-completes-wuhan-makeshift-h... https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/21/nyregion/coronavirus-hospital-usta-qu... like I said you’re good at making shit up

Yep, and they had no problem knocking up covid jails and finding thousands upon thousands of people the jab the poison into arms.

The governments relied on the making people pin cushions and obviously didn’t listen the experts if they predicted new variants etc

They just used hotels in Perth city as "covid jails" , already built many years ago , didnt "knock up "any such things but no point letting facts or truth getting in the way of good post zinger burley
keep trying mate

We’ve got a new contender for dumb dumb of the day.
Many states have built new covid facilities brains.

Talking about WA . Maybe learn to read and spell before you get get too excited genius (there is even a thing called spellcheck on a lot of those computery things) .
jab jab

monkeyboy wrote:

old-dog wrote:

I am still waiting for to hear from the antivaxxers as to why they are so shit scared of a few dead protein spikes jabbed into a muscle but aren't at all concerned about billions of live protein spikes replicating in all their major organs.
The World has turned into two tribes, the silent majority 95% of normal people versus the noisy 5% of clueless fucked up units with mental health issues.

I dont think any one is shit scared of the vax; more tired of the deceit and lies surrounding it. Especially as the science no longer supports it.

yep

burleigh wrote:

If this is very common, considering that covid is everywhere, surely you must know a few people with this?

I know nobody, yet I know of several people with reactions from the vaccine including strokes

Sigh....Burleigh....why do we bother, I don't know.

Number of vaccine doses given: 47M
number of covid cases: 2M

probably about 1M of the 2M covid cases occurred in the last few weeks.

So covid is not 'everywhere', compared to vaccinations.

So yes, it's likely you'd of head more about minor vaccine reactions and people feeling a bit off for a day or two.

In terms of serious reactions, well i can't and won't comment on that.

Stok wrote:

Blowin wrote:

Incompetence doesn’t cover situations such as two years of exaggerating covid hospitalisation and death rates through misrepresentative data.

You honestly believe that in two years no one thought to correct the issue of people who’ve been hospitalised for broken legs being counted as covid statistics? Lol.

And do you honestly believe all the experts around the world, jumped on a Zoom call or whatever, and decided that would be the strategy? To try to trick the public into making this event seem worse than it was, by drastically overstating deaths using a very conspicuous counting method?

I am sure no one in their right mind “believes all the experts around the world jumped on a zoom phone call” to circulate that strategy. I don’t think anyone on here has said that. Doesn't mean that accounting method wasn’t used, it was. That fact is widely known. People would like to know why it was used without their valid questions and concerns minimized as some “zoom call" conspiracy.

Stok wrote:

sypkan wrote:

....stok, if you haven't worked it out by now, there's massive misinformation campaigns atm, ...massive, campaignS... coming from, and at, all angles...

I've got 2 points Sypkan:

Firstly:
I agree that misinformation can come from both sides, but accountability plays a huge factor. Yes, some politicians and health experts roll the dice in their position of power, and try to cover something up for potentially sinister reasons - but it's risky AF. You'd need a team of tight lipped and switched on people to pull it off. I've worked in corporate for a while now, and I've lost count of the amount of times supposedly tier 1 clients have sent out confidential information accidentally. So, if you're in a position of power and accountability - the gateways needed for you to decide to go down the misinformation path would be very, very significant. Court systems are independent in Australia - if you get caught you'd face significant penalties.

Whereas, if you're a commentator, a member of the opposition, a journalist or a pop scientist going on podcasts to discuss health policy - the accountability is effectively non-existent. If you're a good talker, you can pretty much weasel your way out of any shit you've talked.

So - yes, there's mis-information coming from both sides, but the contrarian side will quite likely be dirtier, more childish and frankly more dangerous.

Secondly:
Don't underestimate the factor of incompetence.
What may be seen, and sold, as some form of cover up for sinister reasons, is probably very likely a cover up due to incompetence.

I haven't said the cover up is due to anything else...

but it is a long long trail of incompetence... and a system of management and investment that had well and truly has gotten away from them...

the main incompetence as I see it, that I alluded to, is their plan was flawed from the very beginning, because they were not allowing a fluid assesment of the best information... too much politics and arse saving already involved from the very beginning...

and bill gates / WEF little war room annual aspergers convention had already layed it all out before it even happened....

this isn't conspiracy stuff, this is what these guys do... thankfully... it's good to have some disaster / contingency plans in place...

but the best of contingency plans are fluid and open to new information, and probably multi-pronged... which as we have seen, all have been a bit lacking...

having the little annual aspergers convention regularly feed head asperg's decades long obsession for vaccinating the world through war gaming etc. (amongst a heap of the convention's other homogenising obsessions...) ....probably wasn't the best of preparations...

too much focus, not enough challenging voices... (dissenting voices) ...to truly thrash out the best solutions...

probably just plain old not enough 'diversity' of opinion... funnily enough...

somewhat ironically...

again

"As soon as I see the data described as an estimate from a model I pretty much dismiss it out of hand. "

Shit so you never use the surf forecasts then!

Actually the first graph was modelling, the second is actual data.

Roadkill wrote:

Robo wrote:

Roadkill wrote:

Supafreak wrote:

In rare cases, coronavirus vaccines may cause Long Covid–like symptoms
Brain fog, headaches, blood pressure swings are being probed by NIH and other researchers https://www.science.org/content/article/rare-cases-coronavirus-vaccines-.... Just curious as to how rare .

And in breaking news for the idiots.

In VERY COMMON cases, coronavirus DOES cause Long covid.
Brain fog, headaches, blood pressure swings tiredness and
• difficulty breathing
• a persistent cough
• chest pain
• joint pain
• not enough energy to exercise
• fever
• headaches
• problems with memory and difficulty thinking clearly (‘brain fog’)
• depression or anxiety.
And many more symptoms that are far worse than rare occurances from a vaccine.

Name someone?

Name someone? What does that mean?

someone with loooong covid? if its so common

Roadkill wrote:

burleigh wrote:

Roadkill wrote:

Supafreak wrote:

In rare cases, coronavirus vaccines may cause Long Covid–like symptoms
Brain fog, headaches, blood pressure swings are being probed by NIH and other researchers https://www.science.org/content/article/rare-cases-coronavirus-vaccines-.... Just curious as to how rare .

And in breaking news for the idiots.

In VERY COMMON cases, coronavirus DOES cause Long covid.
Brain fog, headaches, blood pressure swings tiredness and
• difficulty breathing
• a persistent cough
• chest pain
• joint pain
• not enough energy to exercise
• fever
• headaches
• problems with memory and difficulty thinking clearly (‘brain fog’)
• depression or anxiety.
And many more symptoms that are far worse than rare occurances from a vaccine.

If this is very common, considering that covid is everywhere, surely you must know a few people with this?

I know nobody, yet I know of several people with reactions from the vaccine including strokes

And 3/4 family members that have developed cancer from the vaccine. Don't forget that, Robo.

And 4 friends that have got shingles from the vaccine.
Don't forget that, Robo.

Robo, do you think long covid is a thing? or is it a made up thing to scare people into getting vaxxed?

can you tell me what cafe your mother goes to so I don't run into her

can someone post roadkills mothers cafe sernario again, I cant find it or has he deleted it lol

Robo wrote:

can someone post roadkills mothers cafe sernario again, I cant find it or has he deleted it lol

Two short planks

Robo wrote:

can someone post roadkills mothers cafe sernario again, I cant find it or has he deleted it lol

I don't delete anything.

go find it...All good.

Ben Harding wrote:

I am sure no one in their right mind “believes all the experts around the world jumped on a zoom phone call” to circulate that strategy. I don’t think anyone on here has said that. Doesn't mean that accounting method wasn’t used, it was. That fact is widely known. People would like to know why it was used without their valid questions and concerns minimized as some “zoom call" conspiracy.

Come on....have you seen some of the posters in here :D

But seriously, I think the issue is more so around media beat up. Not because of an agenda, but just because fear/anger/excitement sells clicks.

The idea that you count anyone that dies with covid as a covid death is sound. We're in an emergency situation, you can't sit around and wait for a detailed coroner assessment to ascertain exactly how and why the person died. There would be corrections.

Robo wrote:

can someone post roadkills mothers cafe sernario again, I cant find it or has he deleted it lol

seriously, is that all you have?

lol

Interesting article co-authored by the editor in chief

https://www.bmj.com/content/376/bmj.o102

Robo, here is any easy question for you.

Do you understand what culpability means? is that a theory that you can fully comprehend?

Roadkill wrote:

Robo wrote:

can someone post roadkills mothers cafe sernario again, I cant find it or has he deleted it lol

I don't delete anything.

go find it...All good.

If his mum catches covid off someone vaccinated and she dies, roadkill has no problems but if she catches it off an unvaccinated person and dies he will hold that unvaccinated person responsible for her death.

Does this sound right roadkill?

Roadkill wrote:

Robo, here is any easy question for you.

Do you understand what culpability means? is that a theory that you can fully comprehend?

Waiting for your answer to post someone who has loooong covid

burleigh wrote:

Roadkill wrote:

Robo wrote:

can someone post roadkills mothers cafe sernario again, I cant find it or has he deleted it lol

I don't delete anything.

go find it...All good.

If his mum catches covid off someone vaccinated and she dies, roadkill has no problems but if she catches it off an unvaccinated person and dies he will hold that unvaccinated person responsible for her death.

Does this sound right roadkill?

Sounds right lol, dumbest thing I have heard in 2 years covid related

This quote I think is particularly pertinent to Australia:

“As well as access to the underlying data, transparent decision making is essential. Regulators and public health bodies could release details27 such as why vaccine trials were not designed to test efficacy against infection and spread of SARS-CoV-2.28 Had regulators insisted on this outcome, countries would have learnt sooner about the effect of vaccines on transmission and been able to plan accordingly.”

Hey mods can roadkill comment below be made a sticky with fwit of the year award lmaf.

If my mum catches covid off someone vaccinated and she dies, roadkill has no problems but if she catches it off an unvaccinated person and dies he will hold that unvaccinated person responsible for her death.