COVID-19 Health System Overload Forecaster
blindboy wrote:""Denial of Omicron being serious suits an exhausted community who just wish life could go back to 2019. Omicron may be half as deadly as Delta, but Delta was twice as deadly as the 2020 virus. "
It's not denial its backed by stats and science, to suggest Wuhan & Omicron are similar in seriousness is irresponsible and just not true."
Got any numbers on that? No? Then I will go with the view of the professional epidemiologist ....... but we'll see where we are a few months down the line. Your view seems to be that it will all be over. I doubt it.
Yes I do have numbers just look at the numbers of Wuhan, Delta waves and compare to Omicron waves, yeah sure there is a case for earlier waves not having benefit of vaccinations and waves in many countries are still happening, but if we look at a countries like South Africa with very low vax rates, we can clearly see while the Omicron wave was much bigger the death rates were very low, hospitalisation rates low and average rate of hospitalisation shorter than both Wuhan and Delta hospitalisations ..
If you want to simplify things, Delta was about twice as deadly as Wuhan, but Omicron is about half as deadly as Wuhan strain.
And the science also says Omicron doesn't progress to the lungs in the same way as Wuhan or Delta, that's the big difference it's the disease progression to the lungs that is the danger and causes hospitalisation on ventilators and death.
Nobody suggested it will be over???
But most predict the pandemic will become more of an epidemic, and we all have to live with the virus and change our current approach in many ways and go back to living more like we did in 2019, we have already started this transition.
It's just not realistic to live like we currently are, for instance currently we have shortage of labor due to people being isolated not because they are sick, but more because they have the virus in their body or just a close contact.
In the future I'm certain we will change our approach to one closer to how we treat the flue, if you are sick stay home, if you feel fine go to work.
Heres a visual you can clearly see Wuhan, Delta & Omicron waves with case and deaths.
BTW. Both graphs show data up to Jan 13th
"Agree with the NCCET recommendations Blindboy?"
I haven't been through all the medication data but this is worth noting as a careless reading of the front page could potentially mislead..
Thanks for posting those Blindboy.
Put you down with VicLocal as in general approval of ScoMo’s policy on early treatment?
indo-dreaming wrote:Nobody suggested it will be over???
But most predict the pandemic will become more of an epidemic, and we all have to live with the virus and change our current approach in many ways and go back to living more like we did in 2019, we have already started this transition.
I don’t understand how a pandemic can just go back to being an epidemic?
And you’re saying most are predicting this?
Qld :
"Dr Gerrard said the Covid deaths were happening in a range of settings, including hospitals, aged care facilities, and homes and some people had a short period of illness and then sudden death – often from the heart condition myocarditis".
How convenient.
That will save a lot on compo claims.
burleigh wrote:etarip wrote:burleigh wrote:wallpaper wrote:it's sad mate but chances are good that one day you will learn the hard way.
You mean 2 weeks ago when I had a headache for 2 1/2 days, my partner was a bit sicker.
What a lesson.
You’re a sick individual to wish harm on someone for a voluntary choice, but that seems the norm with your type these days.
Media brainwashing.
You don’t know that you had covid. You didn’t get tested. There’s a chance you did. But you don’t know. Stop carrying on about it.
Imagine a virus so scary that you need to drive yourself to get tested to see if you have it.
Imagine claiming you’ve had something when you don’t whether you have or not?
etarip wrote:burleigh wrote:etarip wrote:burleigh wrote:wallpaper wrote:it's sad mate but chances are good that one day you will learn the hard way.
You mean 2 weeks ago when I had a headache for 2 1/2 days, my partner was a bit sicker.
What a lesson.
You’re a sick individual to wish harm on someone for a voluntary choice, but that seems the norm with your type these days.
Media brainwashing.
You don’t know that you had covid. You didn’t get tested. There’s a chance you did. But you don’t know. Stop carrying on about it.
Imagine a virus so scary that you need to drive yourself to get tested to see if you have it.
Imagine claiming you’ve had something when you don’t whether you have or not?
Well seeming close friends that I was with had the confirmed devils disease, we all had similar symptoms, you can take a wild guess.
But no chance i was getting tested, I isolated for 7 days because that’s the responsible thing to do.
6 deaths in QLD in the last 24 hours all fully vaccinated, want to comment on that? That’s going to hurt your narrative or is this what the vaccine is suppose to do?
No champ, it ain’t going to hurt my narrative.
I don’t have a narrative. I just call out your bullshit.
“I had Covid”
Or
“I’m pretty sure I had covid, but I don’t know”
Yep can't go claiming you had it without proof.
Well, snowflake also claimed he had it.
lostdoggy wrote:indo-dreaming wrote:Nobody suggested it will be over???
But most predict the pandemic will become more of an epidemic, and we all have to live with the virus and change our current approach in many ways and go back to living more like we did in 2019, we have already started this transition.
I don’t understand how a pandemic can just go back to being an epidemic?
And you’re saying most are predicting this?
Perhaps he meant endemic, as in it is with us for the long term.
lostdoggy, technically it will remain a pandemic. The use of epidemic as discussed below, is to distinguish it from endemic. What is being suggested is that we will continue to have epidemics of various sizes for the forseeable future. This means that we have to get back to effective ttq as soon as possible to limit their size and frequency.
"Denial of the science of epidemiology is widespread, even among “experts”. We are told repeatedly that SARS-CoV-2 will become “endemic”. But it will never be endemic because it is an epidemic disease and always will be. The key difference is spread. As an epidemic disease, SARS-CoV-2 will always find the unvaccinated, undervaccinated or people with waning immunity and spread rapidly in those groups. Typically, true epidemic infections are spread from person to person, the worst being airborne transmission, and display a waxing and waning pattern such as we have already seen with multiple waves of SARS-CoV-2. Cases rise rapidly over days or weeks, as we have seen with Alpha, Delta and Omicron. No truly endemic disease – malaria, for example – does this."
https://www.thesaturdaypaper.com.au/opinion/topic/2022/01/15/why-covid-1...
https://www.ema.europa.eu/en/documents/rmp-summary/comirnaty-epar-risk-m...
The Truth About Safety of mRNA Vaccines Found in The European Medicines Agency's Document.
CONFIDENTIAL Page 100
Risk-benefit impact
There is limited information on the safety of the vaccine in individuals with autoimmune or inflammatory disorders and a theoretical concern that the vaccine may exacerbate their underlying disease.
Missing Information: Interaction with other vaccines.
Risk-benefit impact COVID-19 mRNA vaccine will be used in individuals who also may receive other vaccines. Studies to determine if co-administration of COVID-19 mRNA vaccine with other vaccines may affect the efficacy or safety of either vaccine have not been performed.
One protocol study (C4591030 - Co-administration study with seasonal influenza vaccine) is planned.
Missing Information: Long term safety data
Risk-benefit impact The long-term safety of COVID-19 mRNA vaccine is unknown at present, however further safety data are being collected in ongoing Study C4591001 for up to 2 years following administration of dose 2 of COVID-19 mRNA vaccine, and 2 non-interventional studies (C4591036 and C4591038) are planned.
"The long-term safety of COVID-19 mRNA vaccine is unknown at present, "
Pretty hard to have long term safety data when it has only been in use since the end of 2021.
Frustrating trying to find actual numbers on kids currently hospitalised from covid . Geez some will be screaming this article is misinformation . https://www.abc.net.au/news/health/2022-01-13/covid-19-coronavirus-how-o...
the 'conspiracy' has gone mainstream...
"A Danish newspaper has apologised to its readers for not being critical enough in its reporting of government coronavirus case numbers.
In an article in the Ekstra Bladet tabloid last week headlined “We Failed”, journalist Brian Weichardt issued a mea culpa to the public on behalf of the media for not doing more to interrogate Covid-19 statistics...."
well yeh...
"...He said the press had not been “vigilant enough” in questioning authorities about whether people were hospitalised “with corona and not because of corona”.
“Because it makes a difference,” he wrote.
“A big difference. Precisely, the official hospitalisation numbers have been shown to be 27 per cent higher than the actual figure for how many there are in the hospital, simply because they have corona. We only know that now.”..."
a difference indeed... 27 % not an insignificant one...
"...Late last year, White House chief medical adviser Dr Anthony Fauci also stressed the distinction.
“If you look at the children [who] are hospitalised, many of them are hospitalised with Covid as opposed to because of Covid,” Dr Fauci told MSNBC..."
well thanks for that faucci... probably your most honest words in a long long time...
"...In Canada, Ontario chief medical officer Dr Kieran Moore made nearly identical comments.
“Many individuals have noted the importance of distinguishing between patients admitted to hospital or the ICU for Covid-19, versus those admitted for other reasons such as a broken bone or appendicitis, but also test positive for Covid-19,” Dr Moore said.
“As a result, we have asked hospitals to update their daily reporting to include this important information and expect to begin receiving it, as well as adjusting our public reporting, in the coming days.”"
the coopertion... the synchronicity... amazing... always good to be on the same page...
though...
https://www.news.com.au/finance/business/media/we-failed-danish-newspape...
and it appears blowin was very likely correct all along regarding those... lets say... 'outying'... US death statistics...
"...Over the weekend, the US Centres for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) director Rochelle Walensky was grilled by Fox News host Bret Baier about the country’s reported 836,000 Covid-19 deaths.
“Do you know how many of the 836,000 deaths in the US linked to Covid are from Covid or how many are with Covid, but they had other comorbidities? Do you have that breakdown?” Baier asked Dr Walensky on Fox News Sunday...
https://mobile.twitter.com/Rasmussen_Poll/status/1480217005357776896?ref...
...In a subsequent interview with ABC’s Good Morning America, Dr Walensky said a recent CDC study had found more than 75 per cent of deaths in fully vaccinated people had occurred in those with at least four comorbidities.
“So really these are people who were unwell to begin with,” she said. “And yes, really encouraging news in the context of Omicron.”..."
75 % is not an insignificant number either... in fact it is a mind blowingly significant number!!
one can assume some humility and correction of the record from the more rabid and righteous on here may also follow...
'may'
I think we will get to the truth eventually.
So after several years and the publication not only of more data about a disease than ever before in history but also hundreds of thousands of pages of careful professional analysis, all publicly available .......there is still a conspiracy going on? Yeh right. Dig deep guys, twitter is bottomless and who knows how many obscure newspapers there are waiting to reveal tiny clues to your paranoid delusions. It would be hilarious if it wasn't so pathetic.
ok boomer
and, just for the record, there could be any number of reasons why every developed country across the world all adopted the same ridiculously suspicious and inaccurate reporting methods...
i'm sure there are...
but the problem lays, with the failure of media and various other bodies, in failing to put a critical eye over this information before presenting it with such misplaced righteous indignation to the public...
...at the public!
something blundfaithboy defends and advocates every fucking day on here, ...on every fucking issue!
you're judgement is so warped and compromised, I praise the gods every day people like you don't yet have the powers and control you oh so vehemently crave, desire and seek...
praise the fucking gods!!!
halleluyah!
etarip wrote:No champ, it ain’t going to hurt my narrative.
I don’t have a narrative. I just call out your bullshit.
So 6 deaths in 24 hours all fully vaccinated and you’ve got nothing to say?
Is this what the vaccine is designed to do?
OK give me one clear example of the tga or any other significant health authority publishing a clear error that was not corrected. As for media misinformation, that's the world we live in. The article I posted this morning was not from a journalist. It was from an epidemiologist specialising in covid ....but of course the usual fuckwits continue to excavate for rabbits.
sypkan wrote:and it appears blowin was very likely correct all along regarding those... lets say... 'outying'... US death statistics...
"...Over the weekend, the US Centres for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) director Rochelle Walensky was grilled by Fox News host Bret Baier about the country’s reported 836,000 Covid-19 deaths.
“Do you know how many of the 836,000 deaths in the US linked to Covid are from Covid or how many are with Covid, but they had other comorbidities? Do you have that breakdown?” Baier asked Dr Walensky on Fox News Sunday...
https://mobile.twitter.com/Rasmussen_Poll/status/1480217005357776896?ref...
...In a subsequent interview with ABC’s Good Morning America, Dr Walensky said a recent CDC study had found more than 75 per cent of deaths in fully vaccinated people had occurred in those with at least four comorbidities.
“So really these are people who were unwell to begin with,” she said. “And yes, really encouraging news in the context of Omicron.”..."
75 % is not an insignificant number either... in fact it is a mind blowingly significant number!!
one can assume some humility and correction of the record from the more rabid and righteous on here may also follow...
'may'
Great post sypkan.
Like I said a while ago a 7 year old could develop a strategy to distinguish the difference between dying with/of coveed. Surprised our great medical and political minds the world over just had that aha moment! Ahh why didn't we think of that!?? Absolute bullshit figures made up to create fear peddled by the media to scare people into conformity. It worked.
burleigh wrote:etarip wrote:No champ, it ain’t going to hurt my narrative.
I don’t have a narrative. I just call out your bullshit.So 6 deaths in 24 hours all fully vaccinated and you’ve got nothing to say?
Is this what the vaccine is designed to do?
You got a stutter?
sypkan wrote:ok boomer
ok shit for brains
wallpaper wrote:sypkan wrote:ok boomer
ok shit for brains
geez, you've really entered the room setting the high bar for discussion...
really looking forward to your, err... contributions...
"OK give me one clear example of the tga or any other significant health authority publishing a clear error that was not corrected."
No takers then.
lostdoggy wrote:indo-dreaming wrote:Nobody suggested it will be over???
But most predict the pandemic will become more of an epidemic, and we all have to live with the virus and change our current approach in many ways and go back to living more like we did in 2019, we have already started this transition.
I don’t understand how a pandemic can just go back to being an epidemic?
And you’re saying most are predicting this?
Sorry i meant endemic.
blindboy wrote:"OK give me one clear example of the tga or any other significant health authority publishing a clear error that was not corrected."
No takers then.
Not so much an error but did they get it right with AZ ? Lockdowns etc https://www.afr.com/politics/federal/vaccine-blindspot-shows-limits-of-f... John Kehoe
Vaccine blind spot shows limits of ‘following the health advice’
Conservative medical advice on the AstraZeneca vaccine failed to consider the broader costs and benefits, and politicians failed to override the mistake.
John Kehoe
Economics editor
Jul 21, 2021 – 3.46pm
The deepening lockdown of 14 million Australians 1½ years into the pandemic exposes that the biggest public policy failure is overly cautious medical advice stopping millions of people receiving the effective and extremely low-risk AstraZeneca vaccine.
Weak-kneed democratically elected lawmakers have outsourced difficult decisions and hidden behind narrow-minded public health officials.
Australia is giving away the AstraZeneca vaccine. David Rowe
The flip-flopping and very conservative aged-based AstraZeneca vaccine advice from the Australian Technical Advisory Group on Immunisation (ATAGI) failed to consider the wider costs and benefits of low vaccination rates and lockdowns.
Repeated lockdowns will have devastating long-term effects on physical health, mental health, education, social wellbeing and the economy.
There will likely be hidden longer-term costs we are not yet aware of.
In February, the Therapeutic Goods Administration and ATAGI approved AstraZeneca for adults of all age groups.
In April due to a minuscule risk of blood clots, ATAGI said it should generally only be for people aged over 50, which was changed in June to over 60s.
Without the U-turn, we could have been well on the way to have most adults vaccinated by September or October.
Prime Minister Scott Morrison is frustrated by ATAGI’s conservatism, again appealing on Wednesday for it to constantly review the advice and consider the spread of the delta variant.
Morrison was previously unfairly criticised for encouraging younger people to consult their doctor and consider taking AstraZeneca. Promisingly, 32,000 people aged under 40 have since taken AstraZeneca.
With low vaccination rates, we will all pay the price of stop-start lockdowns that are in prospect for potentially six more months, and possibly into next year.
The failure underlines how a broader range of professions, including public policy economists who are experienced in assessing short and long-term costs and benefits of government decisions, need to speak up more and be better listened to.
We need the input of epidemiologists, mathematicians, philosophers, historians and business to get a holistic perspective.
Australia is swimming in millions of excess doses of AstraZeneca, to the extent we are giving it away to poorer neighbouring countries.
People wait to be vaccinated at Melbourne’s Royal Exhibition Building. Getty
Centre for Independent Studies chief economist and former Reserve Bank of Australia economist Peter Tulip says the mistake in the ATAGI advice was only to consider the health costs and benefits to the individual. It ignored the wider benefits to society of less infections and getting out of lockdowns earlier.
“So the real alternative to people taking AZ now is more frequent and severe lockdowns until Pfizer becomes abundant,” Tulip notes.
“The important cost-benefit comparison that [ATAGI] should calculate is: if we did vaccinate with AZ quickly, how much sooner could we open up without lockdowns?
“My uneducated guess is a few months, which would definitely be worth it.”
It beggars belief that more health experts and public policy wonks, who are so quick to advocate lockdowns and slam the government for failing to order more Pfizer, are not up in arms about the AstraZeneca debacle.
By now Australia could have fully vaccinated every Australian aged over 60, or alternatively 25 per cent of everyone aged over 18.
ATAGI should have withstood pressure about exaggerated blood clot risks from the media and the zero-risk public health commentariat who prefer lockdowns.
ATAGI should have made its decision independent of European regulators imposing age limits on AstraZeneca, because Europe had alternative fast access to mRNA vaccines produced in Europe.
Normally, when people go to the doctor for an annual flu shot, patients don’t get to choose their brand of vaccine.
Australia’s slow vaccine rollout is less about the widely criticised under “supply” of Pfizer and Moderna, even though Labor has raised valid criticisms.
Anyone who has spoken to a senior pharmaceutical executive will learn that low-virus countries such as Australia were always going to receive vaccines later than North America and Europe, where mRNA vaccines are manufactured.
New Zealand, Japan and South Korea are facing similar challenges.
AstraZeneca has the advantage of being domestically manufactured by CSL.
The federal government has received almost 12 million doses of AstraZeneca, but only about 6 million doses have been administered.
More than 2 million doses of AstraZenca can be supplied each week.
Instead of fully vaccinating only 14 per cent of adults to date, Australia could have already doubled its vaccination rate.
By now Australia could have fully vaccinated every Australian aged over 60, or alternatively 25 per cent of everyone aged over 18.
This assumes the almost 12 million AstraZeneca vaccines available so far were injected twice on each recipient, eight to twelve weeks apart.
The vaccination rate would be even higher with the millions of doses of Pfizer that have been received and administered.
AstraZeneca is extremely low risk. The TGA says the data show the risk of blood clotting with low platelet count – known as thrombosis with thrombocytopenia syndrome (TTS) – is 2 out of every 100,000 people who receive the first dose of AstraZeneca.
“TTS appears to be far more rare following second doses, with data from the
United Kingdom indicating a rate of 1.5 per million second doses,” the TGA says.
For people aged in their 50s, the blood clot risk is 0.0027 per cent.
In comparison, women taking the birth control pill over a decade have a much higher chance of 0.3 per cent to 1 per cent of suffering blot clots.
For every 100,000 recipients of AstraZeneca aged in their 50s, AstraZeneca will have the benefit of preventing 1.3 deaths, 6.6 intensive care admissions and 24 hospitalisations, the TGA says.
Moreover, doctors are getting better at diagnosing and treating blood clots.
The risk of dying from a clot is one person in 2 million, according to ATAGI and NSW Health.
Moreover, compared to the hysteria on AstraZeneca, it is rarely mentioned that Pfizer has been linked to rare heart inflammation.
AstraZeneca has allowed the COVID-riddled United Kingdom to reopen, even if it’s “Freedom Day” was rushed through too quickly to completely rip the bandaid off restrictions.
Australia can tread a more measured path.
ATAGI’s failure was compounded by the political demonisation of AstraZeneca, which seemingly fuelled vaccine hesitancy among people of all ages.
Queensland chief health officer Jeannette Young damaged vaccine confidence by rebuking Morrison that she didn’t want any 18-year-olds dying of blood clots.
We will never know how many people avoided taking vaccines in response to such reckless comments and how many COVID-19 deaths such remarks will contribute to.
Of the five people who have recently died in NSW with COVID-19, the NSW government says none were fully vaccinated.
Separately, fiscally conservative Australia has long had a reputation of driving tough financial terms in buying drugs from global pharmaceutical firms for listing on the taxpayer-funded Pharmaceutical Benefits Scheme.
In a non-pandemic scenario, this is judicious because big pharma can extract huge economic rents from overly generous patent lengths.
Australia was right to not cave in the US government and big US pharma on trade rules for pharmaceuticals when negotiating the Australia-United States Free Trade Agreement and Trans-Pacific Partnership over the past two decades.
But there is no role for penny pinching on vaccines during a global pandemic, when the health costs from vaccine delays and pains from shutdowns are so massive.
Government economists should have complemented health advice, by advocating to bet big and go all in on as many credible vaccines as possible.
Instead, health officials bet big on the domestically manufactured AstraZeneca. They got unlucky on false positive HIV tests on the University of Queensland vaccine, which may have been abandoned too hastily.
Meanwhile, we are locking down 14 million people for a virus that has an average age of death of 85 years old.
The elderly and vulnerable are overwhelmingly vaccinated. Some 75 per cent of over 70s have had at least one vaccine and they have had their chance to begin vaccination.
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Aged care residents, mainly in Victoria last year, accounted for three-quarters of Australia’s COVID-19 deaths in Australia before the vaccine rollout.
As former deputy chief medical officer Nick Coatsworth said last week, this cohort is virtually fully vaccinated now and when COVID-19 recently entered the aged care community in Sydney, it went “nowhere”.
“That’s a success story in protecting the elderly and now we’ve got to work down the age groups,” Coatsworth said.
Of the 1348 positive tests of active cases in NSW, at least four people have died – two people in their 90s, one in their 80s and one in their 70s.
A Sydney woman in her 50s who tragically died at home tested positive to the virus. She was the mother of two removalists who were publicly shamed by politicians, police and media for spreading the virus.
Police are investigating her death and a report is being prepared for the coroner.
In NSW’s current wave, after most old and vulnerable people were vaccinated, the case fatality rate is about 0.3 per cent.
The more relevant infection fatality rate that epidemiologists usually focus on for infectious diseases would be considerably lower than that. There are certain to be many people who have COVID-19, but are not aware because they have not been tested and are asymptotic.
To keep mortality in perspective we must be aware that 4124 people died of influenza and pneumonia in 2019, according to death certificate data from the Australian Bureau of Statistics.
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Medical advice should be the government’s first consideration in a pandemic, but our experience with vaccines and lockdowns shows the limits of religiously “following the health advice”.
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bluediamond wrote:sypkan wrote:and it appears blowin was very likely correct all along regarding those... lets say... 'outying'... US death statistics...
"...Over the weekend, the US Centres for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) director Rochelle Walensky was grilled by Fox News host Bret Baier about the country’s reported 836,000 Covid-19 deaths.
“Do you know how many of the 836,000 deaths in the US linked to Covid are from Covid or how many are with Covid, but they had other comorbidities? Do you have that breakdown?” Baier asked Dr Walensky on Fox News Sunday...
https://mobile.twitter.com/Rasmussen_Poll/status/1480217005357776896?ref...
...In a subsequent interview with ABC’s Good Morning America, Dr Walensky said a recent CDC study had found more than 75 per cent of deaths in fully vaccinated people had occurred in those with at least four comorbidities.
“So really these are people who were unwell to begin with,” she said. “And yes, really encouraging news in the context of Omicron.”..."
75 % is not an insignificant number either... in fact it is a mind blowingly significant number!!
one can assume some humility and correction of the record from the more rabid and righteous on here may also follow...
'may'
Great post sypkan.
Like I said a while ago a 7 year old could develop a strategy to distinguish the difference between dying with/of coveed. Surprised our great medical and political minds the world over just had that aha moment! Ahh why didn't we think of that!?? Absolute bullshit figures made up to create fear peddled by the media to scare people into conformity. It worked.
USA seems worse than us, don't USA hospitals even get a $$$ incentive for each Covid case recorded????
I think so Indo. Have heard that too. Im sure someone here would know for sure.
Bill Gates admits underwhelming performance.
https://justthenews.com/politics-policy/coronavirus/covid-vaccine-funder...
Some good news: And we shouldn't be too far off.
"Covid-19: UK offers hope to the world as Omicron surpasses peak"
The UK appears to have surpassed the peak of the latest wave of Covid-19 caused by Omicron, a promising sign that the highly transmissible variant’s impact may be brief, if intense, and fueling optimism that the pandemic may be waning.
Scientists say British data offer encouraging signs for countries behind the UK in the Omicron wave—such as the US—that the variant is echoing the pattern it followed in South Africa, where cases rose rapidly over the course of just over a month, before falling back.
The seven-day average of new daily cases of Covid-19 in the UK has been falling for a week and on Tuesday dropped below the 14-day average for the first time since November, according to a Wall Street Journal analysis of official data. Both are signs that caseloads are diminishing.
The rate of increase in the number of new Covid-19 hospitalizations has also slowed and in England—and especially London, which experienced the Omicron wave sooner than other regions—new hospital admissions with Covid-19 are falling. The first cases of Omicron were detected in the UK on November 27".
https://www.business-standard.com/article/international/covid-19-uk-offe...
blindboy wrote:"OK give me one clear example of the tga or any other significant health authority publishing a clear error that was not corrected."
No takers then.
Here you go dipstick
https://7news.com.au/lifestyle/health-wellbeing/nsw-covid-patients-in-ho...
The UK government admits that vaccines have damaged the natural immune system of those who have been double-vaccinated. The UK government has admitted that once you have been double-vaccinated, you will never again be able to acquire full natural immunity to Covid variants - or possibly any other virus. So let's watch the "real" pandemic begin now! In its Week 42 "COVID-19 Vaccine Surveillance Report", the UK Department of Health admits on page 23 that "N antibody levels appear to be lower in people who become infected after two doses of vaccination". It goes on to say that this drop in antibodies is essentially permanent. What does this mean? We know that vaccines do not prevent infection or transmission of the virus (indeed, the report elsewhere shows that vaccinated adults are now much more likely to be infected than unvaccinated ones). The British now find that the vaccine interferes with the body's ability to make antibodies after infection not only against the spike protein but also against other parts of the virus. In particular, vaccinated people do not appear to form antibodies against the nucleocapsid protein, the envelope of the virus, which is a crucial part of the response in unvaccinated people. In the long term, the vaccinated are far more susceptible to any mutations in the spike protein, even if they have already been infected and cured once or more. The unvaccinated, on the other hand, will gain lasting, if not permanent, immunity to all strains of the alleged virus after being naturally infected with it even once. Source:https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/.../Vaccine... The first insurance companies are backing down because a huge wave of claims is coming their way. Anthony Fauci confirms that the PCR test cannot detect live viruses. Anthony Fauci confirms that neither the antigen test nor the PCR test can tell us whether someone is contagious or not!!! This invalidates all the foundations of the so-called pandemic. The PCR test was the only indication of a pandemic. Without PCR-TEST no pandemic For all the press workers, doctors, lawyers, prosecutors etc. THIS is the final key, the ultimate proof that the measures must all be lifted immediately.
blindboy wrote:"The long-term safety of COVID-19 mRNA vaccine is unknown at present, "
Pretty hard to have long term safety data when it has only been in use since the end of 2021.
You think that is a good thing?
Using the public as guinea pigs?
Check page 110 and see how much they know about Pfizer and pregnant women.
https://www.ema.europa.eu/en/documents/rmp-summary/comirnaty-epar-risk-m...
Your link doesn't work so you need to find one that does as the rest of your post is just unsubstantiated assertion.
indo-dreaming wrote:lostdoggy wrote:indo-dreaming wrote:Nobody suggested it will be over???
But most predict the pandemic will become more of an epidemic, and we all have to live with the virus and change our current approach in many ways and go back to living more like we did in 2019, we have already started this transition.
I don’t understand how a pandemic can just go back to being an epidemic?
And you’re saying most are predicting this?Sorry i meant endemic.
Yeah, Covid will become ‘endemic’ - “within population”
https://www.publichealth.columbia.edu/public-health-now/news/epidemic-en...
blindboy wrote:Your link doesn't work so you need to find one that does as the rest of your post is just unsubstantiated assertion.
Gotcha
Robo wrote:The UK government admits that vaccines have damaged the natural immune system of those who have been double-vaccinated. The UK government has admitted that once you have been double-vaccinated, you will never again be able to acquire full natural immunity to Covid variants - or possibly any other virus. So let's watch the "real" pandemic begin now! In its Week 42 "COVID-19 Vaccine Surveillance Report", the UK Department of Health admits on page 23 that "N antibody levels appear to be lower in people who become infected after two doses of vaccination". It goes on to say that this drop in antibodies is essentially permanent. What does this mean? We know that vaccines do not prevent infection or transmission of the virus (indeed, the report elsewhere shows that vaccinated adults are now much more likely to be infected than unvaccinated ones). The British now find that the vaccine interferes with the body's ability to make antibodies after infection not only against the spike protein but also against other parts of the virus. In particular, vaccinated people do not appear to form antibodies against the nucleocapsid protein, the envelope of the virus, which is a crucial part of the response in unvaccinated people. In the long term, the vaccinated are far more susceptible to any mutations in the spike protein, even if they have already been infected and cured once or more. The unvaccinated, on the other hand, will gain lasting, if not permanent, immunity to all strains of the alleged virus after being naturally infected with it even once. Source:https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/.../Vaccine... The first insurance companies are backing down because a huge wave of claims is coming their way. Anthony Fauci confirms that the PCR test cannot detect live viruses. Anthony Fauci confirms that neither the antigen test nor the PCR test can tell us whether someone is contagious or not!!! This invalidates all the foundations of the so-called pandemic. The PCR test was the only indication of a pandemic. Without PCR-TEST no pandemic For all the press workers, doctors, lawyers, prosecutors etc. THIS is the final key, the ultimate proof that the measures must all be lifted immediately.
Dynamite. Geez!!
this link should work..
https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploa...
"You think that is a good thing?"
Well yes, of course. The vaccine has dramatically reduced hospitalisations and deaths. Long previous experience suggests vaccines rarely have delayed long term effects so the risk/benefit analysis is clearly in favour of the vaccine for the vast majority of the population. Those with specific health issues that could be influenced by the vaccine will presumably be advised by their doctors..
On pregnancy they say this
"The safety profile of the vaccine is not known in pregnant or breastfeeding women due to their initial exclusion from the pivotal clinical study. There may be pregnant women who choose to be vaccinated despite the lack of safety data. It will be important to follow these women for pregnancy and birth outcomes. The timing of vaccination in a pregnant woman and the subsequent immune response may have varying favourable or unfavourable impacts on the embryo/foetus. The clinical consequences of SARS-CoV-2 infection to the woman and foetus during pregnancy is not yet fully understood and the pregnant woman’s baseline health status may affect both the clinical course of her pregnancy and the severity of COVID-19. These factors and the extent to which the pregnant woman may be at risk of exposure to SARS-CoV-2 will influence the benefit risk considerations for use of the vaccine."
The key part of this is that pregnant women know they have to make a decision to risk catching covid with the likely problems that could cause for the pregnancy, or take the vaccine with an unknown risk. Presumably they will be advised by specialists on that decision. All the information is there in the hands of the medical professionals and their patients What more do you want? There are no magic solutions. I believe many women have postponed pregnancy because of this uncertainty.
OK bd give me some time to look at that. I can hear a boost in the swell calling me but I should have time to look later.
blindboy wrote:"OK give me one clear example of the tga or any other significant health authority publishing a clear error that was not corrected."
No takers then.
Lol
blindboy wrote:OK bd give me some time to look at that. I can hear a boost in the swell calling me but I should have time to look later.
Yew! Get out there BB. Yeah you might be able to make better sense of it than me...i struggle with the jargon.
etarip wrote:burleigh wrote:etarip wrote:No champ, it ain’t going to hurt my narrative.
I don’t have a narrative. I just call out your bullshit.So 6 deaths in 24 hours all fully vaccinated and you’ve got nothing to say?
Is this what the vaccine is designed to do?You got a stutter?
Nah the questions are crystal clear. Does 6 out of 6 deaths all fully vaccinated mean your juice is working?
Blindboy said “ Long previous experience suggests vaccines rarely have delayed long term effects so the risk/benefit analysis is clearly in favour of the vaccine for the vast majority of the population. “ ………….you still don’t get it ……….mRNA isn’t just another vaccine, we don’t have previous experience with long term mRNA vaccines.
blindboy wrote:OK bd give me some time to look at that. I can hear a boost in the swell calling me but I should have time to look later.
Be careful out there. It’s over 3ft, your fully juiced. Sounds like myocarditis to me
I've created a spreadsheet forecast which I'll update as we go..
There's also a website with live running data.. https://sites.google.com/view/stayhomeaustralia