Interesting stuff
Plus in city areas heaps higher rates, even handy man get crazy rates in more city regions.
just a point relating to Indo's continual rant about our lack of competitiveness being caused by high wages.
How much of the disposable income or potential productive capital goes to tradies fees?
Not having a go, trying to get my son to see the value in a trade.
Try and build your own house Freeride and in about half a day you will realise why tradies (good tradies anyhow) charge what they do, no super, buy and provide own tools/equipment and if you do a good job all your work is word of mouth (same goes if you do a shit job) no guarantee whats going on next week so better be good. We pay fifo too much more like 100k a year to sweep dongers out and change sheets FFS, thats the reason Aussie wages are fucked up, at least tradies have a skill and did an apprenticeship to get to to where they are paywise. FIFO mongs on FIFO dollars are way more of a problem and I wont even start on deadwood Government employees riding the gravy train for life, paid holidays, super and cant even get sacked if/ when they are shit at their job -lots of teachers fit into this category too
You should totally Free. My nephew is 26, he did a dual apprenticeship as a sparky and instrument tester and calibrator. He does really well, got a nice work ute, tools, gets a good wage,
Having a trade is the most valuable of skills I reckon.
mate, I've only got to try and fix a leaky tap to start begging a plumber to come out and charge me 60 an hour plus call out.
Hahaha.
But yeah like Zen said, I’d encourage your son freeride. Working out in the fresh air, good exercise, can make good money.
I rate it
I think the biggest positive of a trade is the fact for most trades you can work for yourself which just gives you so much freedom not being locked into a 9 to 5 five days a week job.
Work when you want and if you don't feel like working you dont (well i dont) or for example i often take days off during the week to go surfing or fishing when you get those perfect days but i will often work on weekends to even things out.
But if you also want more security and a more 9 to 5 job, in most trades you can still go and work for someone and have that lifestyle too.
Plus you can live pretty much anywhere as long as there is work, unlike many jobs that lock you into a city area.
FIFO workers need to be paid well because it's a cunt of a thing being away from family and friends. Suicide is rife through the FIFO world.
These multi national companies that make squillions and pay no tax should be paying people a decent wage for the sacrifices the workers make. If it wasn't for unions and the like these companies would have an army of 457 workers making nothing.
Blaming FIFO workers for low wage growth is muppet brain shit.
Mikehunt would be eaten alive by 5/6 yr olds if he taught for 1 day in a Prep classroom...
FIFO workers are on good money because they work 84 hours a week, the rate reflects they are semi skilled machine operators. Skilled operators and trades get a higher rate. The cleaners sweeping dongas get 20 K less a year and do the same hours
Having said that I do not challenge Mike on calling them mongs, a lot of them are but they do the hours to deserve the money. I think Mikes FIFO hate comes from the midweek crowding down Margs since the boom, and again I agree it was better before
If you want your son to take a trade this is FIFO pays before tax
Cleaners $90000
Trainee dump truck $100000
Exp dump truck $120000
Dozer grader excavator $130000
Fixed plant sparkies, fitters and boilermakers $130000
Diesel mechanic $150000
Auto sparkie $160000
Auto sparkies are in demand atm
Divide those dollars by 3000 hours they will work for the rate. It is fair pay for shit conditions
edit : then take 33c in the dollar tax rate
Not many people realise just how harsh the FIFO existence can be. It’s can be so detrimental to mental health that you get outcomes such as this :
https://www.smh.com.au/national/western-australia/south-hedland-stabbing...
The accused was a 34 year old asphalt worker. Living away from his family and out of a motel in South Hedland, undergoing divorce from his wife , forced separation from his two year old daughter , in conflict with his supervisor at work.
I can just imagine how all of the above are interwoven and working to compound the seriousness of each individual circumstance.
Ended in tragedy as it so often does. Mostly just neck themselves in quiet desperation without making headlines.
yeah, I've seen the fallout from FIFO in my own circle.
fucken gnarly if shitt goes proper pear shaped.
All this talk of the evils of nationalism. Best to remember that in every likelihood, the sound of jackboots won’t originate here
Hang on blowin. Just a couple of weeks ago you were saying I should be executed for treason. Just a little bit jackbooty don’t you think?
Every country on Earth has laws against treason.
Even the perfect utopian ones where the leaders don’t have penises.
Whatever blowin. Whenever you publish complete BS and get called out for it, your standard response is to double down and post even more bullshit. Remember the completely rubbish immigration figures? Remember the threats of violence? Remember the idiotic calls for executions? You never admit you’re wrong, no matter how ridiculous your comments get. . You’ve got zero credibility.
Did we not repeal our treason laws in the late 1960s?
FIFO can be tough, I did a bit as contracts came and went. You have the guys who have their heads down accumulating funds for their life after, you have the pissing away crew, you have the ambitious 10 investment property guys. One thing noticed was that shift crew worked together, then had time off together back in city - their families were on a different timescale altogether. It can be constant party time when not at work. People can drift apart. Hat tip to all those who've been through it, made it out, and saved up to create a good life.
VJ, Australia repealed the death penalty in 1965.
I'm not quite sure how calling out blowin's racism is treasonous but apparently it is. And, I do feel very special after blowin suggested the death penalty be used on me 55 years after it was abolished.
But hey, that's not jackboot nationalism at all according to blowin. Damn it, where the hell is that eye rolling emoji?
Hey Vic, if Labor followed through with what Kristina Keneally is suggesting, do you see this as providing a slippery slope towards an ugly form of nationalism?
Yeah I think the cat's out of the bag regarding globalised neoliberalism.
Will still be difficult for some people to not see it as racist though.
There are people who've built their whole persona around stuff like that.
And of course this virus has made it clear how vulnerable Australia is in a globalised world, as outlined by this defence report.
"GLOBALISATION: AUSTRALIA WOULD 'COLLAPSE IN WEEKS'
> ABC News: The report lays out a timeline of how Australian essential services would collapse within just three months if a crisis put a halt to global trade, causing even greater ramifications than COVID-19.
"We asked, if we had basically a halt on global supply — a couple of steps more demanding than we're seeing in the current crisis — what would run out in one week, two weeks, one month or three months?" she said.
"They identified that because we're part of the global supply chain, when the ability for that to continue to function [broke down], you'd start to get shortages, you'd run out of things in areas, for example, like the water supply, like telecommunications."
With at least 90 per cent of Australia's specialist medical supplies imported, the report found specialist medicines "may be exhausted within days", with "severe repercussions for public health".
"Almost all our trade — 98 per cent of our trade, imports and exports — depends upon foreign-owned shipping systems, so we are actually in a pretty fragile position."
According to the report, the first casualty after health care would be sanitation, creating a further risk of disease.
It says water treatment and sewage systems could start to fail within a week as crucial imported chemicals run out.
Essential services including electricity and telecommunications would be falling apart because the industries rely on imported spare parts.
It predicted that within three months, the nation as we know it would cease to function. Australia would be racked by social unrest..."
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-04-29/military-leaders-warn-australia-p...
You blokes don't get it. We've had globalisation for the business elite for ages. Just because Trump, Putin, Bolsonaro and their scumbag colleagues bang the nationalist drum, it doesn't mean they suddenly stop being the business elite.
These clowns are taking the world and their nations to a genuinely shitty place that includes the ugly corrupt side of globalisation, and the feral racist side of nationalism. It's a very toxic combination. Due you blokes ever wonder why the corrupt billionaires who undermine Globalised neoliberalism and couldn't give a toss about human rights and environmental protection, are also the same people playing the racist nationalism card?
Edit. And Andy M. That post of yours highlights how quickly things would turn to absolute shit if Australia made a sudden withdraw into hard core nationalism. Not to mention huge food shortages around the world if supply chains were cut. We do need international trade to help solve this problem.
Scary scenario Andy
Vic, you're implying that a move towards Australia being less vulnerable to global shocks like this will necessarily result in Australia encouraging a leader like Trump, Bolsanaro etc.
Or us becoming more racist.
I don't see the correlation.
And which corrupt billionaires are undermining globalised neoliberalism (GL)?
Genuine question.
The billionaires I can think of are profiting massively from it.
Surely these billionaires who are playing the racist card are the ones who want GL and so wouldn't be undermining it.
You've lost me there.
"We do need international trade to help solve this problem."
We're talking about Australia's position but in a global crisis Vic - that's the point.
International trade will most certainly not be the solution, that's an odd thing to say.
This is about "Australia preparing for an increasingly unstable world."
I heard a rumour that some people are worried that if globalisation scales down they won't be able to get their fucking ginormous red penises delivered cheap from China any more.
Andy M, You've completely misrepresented what I'm saying.
Globalisation with fair trade, and respect for the rule of law is the best system we have. There's global problems like climate change that need global solutions. Those crooks banging the nationalist drum are actively undermining action to reduce greenhouse gases. (And I include Australia in that group). If countries don't work together we are genuinely up shit creek. Same goes for human and democratic rights. They are being undermined at an alarming rate. Globalism is failing because leaders are too busy enriching themselves rather than fighting for basic decency. That's the long term problem.
The immediate problem we face is if international trade doesn't return to some form of normality, food supply chains will break, and the world will be in real trouble. That's a reality. Long term we can start looking at being more self sufficient, but this talk of a rapid transition to national self reliance is just pure fantasy.
"Surely these billionaires who are playing the racist card are the ones who want GL and so wouldn't be undermining it." These billionaires don't want a form of globalisation based on rules. They just want to plunder the world's resources to enrich themselves. Whipping up racist and anti-foreigner anger is just a distraction so people don't wise up to the fact they are getting screwed by the Cayman Island set.
That guy on the temporary visa isn't the enemy. It's the billionaires who deliberately sow the seeds of hatred to hide the fact they don't pay tax, and own governments, who are the problem.
So it’s the corrupt billionaires who are placing so much demand on water supplies that Sydney won’t be able to self sustain in a few years ?
I never realised this.
Here’s an interesting question I heard today . Perhaps you can answer it , Vic Local ?
If Australia had an immigration rate of 25 million people per year and I suggested that it be reduced to 24 million people per year .....does this make me a racist ?
Isn't government by corporatocracy the problem?
Vic it seems we're talking at cross-purposes.
I totally agree that global problems need global solutions but I don't see how this precludes being able to provide the basics for your country if/when the shit hits the fan - this is not mutually exclusive.
Where are these "billionaires who deliberately sow the seeds of hatred"?
It's certainly not Twiggy and Stokes. Like I said, the big boys are making a killing out of globalisation.
And the guy on the temporary visa is being shafted, and it appears so is Australia more generally.
According to Kenneally - "the exploitation of these people – a developing economic underclass – will only continue to grow. Plain and simple, this is a work scam.”
"Senator Keneally said Australia needed to shift its reliance on "cheap supply of overseas, temporary labour" and instead focus on permanent migrants who can settle in regional areas and invest in the local community."
Thoughts?
Billionaires sowing the seeds of hatred.
Murdoch, and son Lachlan. The Kochs. The Sauds.
There's three. I'm not backing anyones opinion here, just saw AndyM question above and thought I know of a few. The better minds than mine here could probably name plenty more.
Ok fair enough but my point is that addressing the massive issues caused and exacerbated by globalised neoliberalism is a seperate discussion to xenophobia, increasing racism, right wing leaders etc.
Surely this is quite clear?
Not addressing GN because you're afraid it will lead down a path of inward-looking insularity is to me totally self-defeating, not to mention fundamentally environmentally unsustainable in the mid-to-longer term.
As an aside Adam12, you couldn't have given better examples of wealth generated by GN.
I focus, government by corporatocracy/kleptocracy is certainly a huge part of a complex and intertwined set of problems.
Blowin, you're a racist no matter what question you ask. I don't debate you because you're not worth it. I simply expose your racist bullshit for what it is.
Andy M. Twiggy and Stokes aren't spreading racism, but these two tax dodgers certainly benefit from Australia turning on each other and China (unless they retaliate). We should be asking why the fuck they pay bugger all tax rather than crying about international students and refugees. We should be asking why Stokes gets special isolation treatment when he returned from Colorado.
Andy, there's good and bad with nationalism and globalism. Being more self sufficient in essential items is a good thing generally, while banning overseas medical researchers in Australia (as suggested by a Victorian Liberal Senator) is just fucking stupid.
Tax havens and dodgy International trading doesn't serve the public well at all, but Morrison pledging $$$ to an international effort to find a vaccine is globalism at its best.
I'm just getting really nervous about nationalist zealots (with a strong whiff or racism) who think Australia can go it alone without serious consequence.
There seems to be a connection between old school teachers and irrationality throughout this discussion.
I’d say you and I agree on more than you’d like to admit , Vic Local. There just seems to be a massive gulf where you’ve superimposed this taint of racism where it’s not warranted.
If you believe that preferencing Australians over foreign citizens in Australian government policy is racist then I don’t really think it’s a gulf we can bridge.
"I’d say you and I agree on more than you’d like to admit , Vic Local. There just seems to be a massive gulf where you’ve superimposed this taint of racism where it’s not warranted."
I think this is the case with nearly all of blowin's long list of 'foes' ...and there's quite a list...
they all actually agree with him way more than they disagree
they just get caught up on that little 'racism' speed bump, bottomed out and stuck, like a lowrider bogan in a maccas drivethru, they look quite ridiculous, ...and are incapable of rational conversation ....about anything!
I reckon it burns em up even more that they actually have more in common with blowin than difference, so they'll argue and deny anything at all he says until the cows come home rather than agree with the 'racist'
meanwhile the world burns...
but the public discourse is pretty
they're fucken brainwashed, hypersensitised, ...and dangerous...
irrational
decades of believing an innate little feeling is the source of all evil. appointing themselves the gatekeepers of all that is wholesome and moral...
...whilst turning a total blindeye to real nazi like racial supremecy thats actually goiing on, and some of the most twisted displays of inequality the world has ever seen (live organ harvesting etc.)
the disconnect, the bias, the 'cognitive dissonance', its astounding
...not to mention a little ironic...
again again and again...
viiclocal peddles so much dogmatic bullshit (once known as conventional wisdom) that it's not even worth dissecting ...yet it's blowin that talks 'bullshit'...
quite hilarious to watch
...carry on...
...don't take it personal, many have had a go...
You may call it "dogmatic bullshit" if you want sky pan. I call it zero tolerance for racism.
As for blowin and me being alike, that's complete crap. blowin punches down and routinely targets people due to their religion or ethnicity. I'd never do such a dog act.
I've written extensively about racism and have even been part of a group that's infiltrated neo-nazi organisations. I've seen blowin's shit many times before, and can safely say, "I'm nothing like him" and will wear that tag like a badge of honour.
God , just what we need on the threads .
An overzealous piggy with a sanctimonious chip on his shoulder so high that Elon Musk couldn’t look down on it.
What is it about the uber wankers that make them love the term “ punches down “ so much ?
Is it really punching down to criticise Xi Jinping and the CCP ? Vic Local can’t tell us often enough that they’re the most powerful cadre in the known galaxy.
I don’t know what to believe anymore.
All I know for sure is....racist ! Neo- Nazi !
I can’t help but picture Vic Local as looking exactly like a slightly built version of his avatar. Only with his cock in his hand instead of a gun.
VL I can't say I disagree with the guts of your 9.02am post.
I think turning away from globalised neoliberalism as we currently know it is absolutely essential from a financial, social and environmental point of view.
And we can't avoid addressing it just because we've been told for the past few decades that for assorted nefarious and misguided reasons we shouldn't.
We don't have to "go it alone" and as you say this would be far from ideal but clearly there are serious issues to address.
I want to see a single example of this opinion:
“'m just getting really nervous about nationalist zealots (with a strong whiff or racism) who think Australia can go it alone without serious consequence.“
Who is it exactly who believes Australia can go it alone ? Sounds like a strawman to me.
Interesting read from a few days ago:
"More important than ever': Victoria backs China's infrastructure push
Victoria will tap into the Chinese Communist Party's $1.5 trillion Belt and Road Initiative to boost the local economy, declaring the infrastructure network crucial to rebuilding after the coronavirus crisis.
The state's determination to stick with the program is set to spark division between Victoria, NSW and the federal government, which is sceptical of China's building initiative amid the global fallout over the origins of the pandemic.
The program has seen Beijing prop up infrastructure across Asia, Europe and South America. China is rolling out a "health silk road" to deliver medical equipment and tele-health services to developing countries as it comes under increasing pressure from advanced economies over its handling of the coronavirus."
More:
https://www.theage.com.au/politics/federal/more-important-than-ever-vict...
Today I picked up one of the new Webber experiments, similar sorta board KS rode in the recent Stab video.
Not "picked up" as in picked it up and put it in the back of my car, but literally just picked it up, felt its weight, and checked its curves. Think it was 5'7" x 17 3/4 x 2 1/4 from memory - definitely under 18" wide which makes for very parallel rails.
Rounded nose, single flyer, round tail. Deep double concave cutting through three-quarters of the board, and a double concave deck too, though not as deep as some decks he's doing on his Creature model.
Stringerless epoxy/EPS - light as helium - with lengthwise carbon tape reinforcing the blank but almost hidden under a white resin tint.
Got no idea if it rides well or not but I had to admire it's uniqueness. Reminded me of a quote that Will Webber made of Greg a few years back, that his brother was truly a shaper in that he creates shapes people haven't seen before. That's the way I felt holding the board.
It’s not interesting, Indo. It’s the surest display of a captured politician that you’re ever likely to see in your lifetime.
Borrowing money has quite literally never been cheaper in the history of mankind. Not ever.
With its credit rating, The Victorian government could borrow money to build whatever they want at less than 1 percent interest.
Instead , Manchurian Dan Andrews insists that China be involved. China Involved means Chinese nationals working on a major piece of Australian infrastructure at the expense of Australian jobs . China involved means Australian infrastructure as collateral on the loaned money used to build a facility which is as much in China’s interest as Australia’s.
Australia stands to benefit NOTHING by being involved in the grand China aggrandisement program.
Interesting? As perfect a bit of Foreign influence as you’ll ever witness.
Stu...Sounds a lot like a surfboard....only smaller.
That’s not the thing he was riding at Haliewa was it ?
Not the exact board but close to it. This one was an inch smaller and didn't have the fifth fin option.
Wasn't "just a surfboard, only smaller." Lot of curves I'd never seen blended into a board before.
@Stunet
What happened to the Bali/bingin article from yesterday????
Have it cunts