Happy Australia day !!!!
I agree BB.
There will never be total unity, changing the date even suggesting it is divisive.
But i guess the horse has bolted now, each year will get worse and then most likely the date will get changed, some people will complain because its changed and ruined our tradition/culture then some will complain that an change of date is not enough and that we still need to change what we do on the day, and then others wont be happy with the new date.
And then I'm sure in time we will then look to changing other dates or names like Christmas or Easter because it offended those of other religions etc
Going to be interesting how quick these kind of things happen?
Ten years I'm guessing.
Not that i really care that much, i don't really celebrate or enjoy these days anymore, but i think it is kind of sad because we don't really have much culture or traditions but they are being eroded.
I've always thought Crypto was the biggest tosser on these forums but now I'm beginning to think it's a toss off between Blowin and Indo.
"Keep it robust but also keep giving the benefit of the doubt."
Why does this remind me of the old "you fuck one goat" joke, Stunet?
In a nutshell... again... not that I’m interested... again... blowindo/indoblown never in doubt mlocked. And you’ve always been up there tossing with them... IMHO
You’re only saying that cause my posts are almost legible.
If you could actually decipher more than half of Crypto’s posts he’d surely prove the greater tosser.
But who knows ? I’ve been wrong before.
Seriously, though , some of the stuff I write on here is hurried and not thought through properly, just spat out in order to disagree with someone either because I enjoy their debates or because I can’t stand them.
The Adam Goodes / Stan Grant comment today was a good example of that . I’d usually delete them , but sometimes it doesn’t happen cause the conversations absorbed them already.
But carry on hating me if you’re that way inclined. We can’t all agree or get along .
And on cue here's the other joker.
Make that a coupla goats.
A herd, even.
Touche Crypto.
@Matt
I don't really care if you think I'm a tosser but i dont recall you even having a say on the topic.
Just agreeing with someone and then calling others names is pretty lame.
At least give us your view so we can have a discussion, and agree or disagree etc.
Or at the very least post some lame memes, although preferably not because they bring very little to the discussion.
Me, Blowin and dare i say Crypto all have one thing in common, we are willing to put ourselves out there, even if at times its a bit impulsive spontaneous.
I know i shouldn't but i do like to shit stir a little bit, i do exactly what Blowin just said, but that said i stick by everything i type, if i offend anyone well good.
Oz Day round the board...
NSW Anniversary Day>Landing Day>Foundation Day ( Jan-20 <(26th) > Feb 1)
Other Oz states had Several own names for several odd date Oz Days
July 1915 being original national 'Oz Day'
Jan 26/1938 Australia Day celebrated Monday 20th < > Monday 31st .(As did All)
Oz celebrates nearest "Monday" over the Date.1994 narrowed to fall within 3 days.
https://www.sbs.com.au/topics/life/culture/article/2018/01/23/many-diffe...
[Day of Mourning] Oz longest ongoing event acknowledging British Landing date.
Jan 26/1938 (Also) 'Day of Mourning' strictly observes January 26 landing date.
Jan 26 is in every aspect Day of Mourning. Oz Day pretends to acknowledge event.
Jan 26 th Also (Citizenship Day) [Aborigines Claim Citizenship Rights] see:1967
The day is solemn and Original Protest Families retrace the original march.
Notable Events held on Day Of Mourning 26th Jan...
1972 - ACT Tent Embassy flys new Aboriginal Flag ( 12/July/1971)
1988 - Ending degrading Re-enactments
1992 - Survival Concert's
1994 - Harbour Bridge Walk
1998 -'Day of Mourning' Complete Re-enactment (150+50 years)
2013 - Sydney Harbour Bridge hoists Aboriginal Flag
http://www.skwirk.com/p-c_s-14_u-114_t-308_c-1044/aboriginal-day-of-mour...
Alternate Dates for United Day.
13 Feb 2008 - Stolen Gen Apology
2 March 1986 - Australia Act
20 March 1913 - Nation's Capital
11 April 1973 - Repealing White Australia Act
9 May 1901 - Oz Governing Parliament
27 May 1967 - Aboriginal Citizenship Rights
3 June 1992 - Mabo Day - Native Title
https://www.creativespirits.info/aboriginalculture/history/australia-day...
I don't "hate" anyone on these forums and I'm not offended. Re. my personal views on this topic: I don't think commemorating the day that whitefellas hopped off the ships and started fucking over the blackfellas is a good thing to do.
mattlock that's sound reasoning! I don't think we'll be getting our Bond Back!
We get to change whatever but can never unplug Jan 26 Day of Mourning! Aborigines have no choice as we chained them to that date.
We can partake on equal level with respect.Comes natural to most of us! Sorry!
Re: U.S. Columbus Day + Native US Day > Indigenous Peoples Day.
We do know for sure, whatever new Oz day date it will fall on a Monday!
Indo has nailed it.....multiple times.
It is getting old, time to move on.
Oz day used to be fun until the flag wavers and lefties got hold of it.
The only thing Indo has ever nailed on here over the years is his bland and bleached uni-colour to the mast.
Hah!
"Ya fuck one goat..."
Factum you and your other alias bring zero to this forum all you do is try to be clever with lame one liners and memes etc, i honestly don't recall one positive or constructive post from you (apart from the when music is brought up)
Basically i have no time for you, id even rather communicate with Crypto.
Thanks Kellya
Almost spat my weeties out all over the computer screen just now reading some of the blatant attempted revisionism overnight.
Anyway, recently the chief of Army said "the standard you walk past, is the standard you accept" but equally I remember Yorta Yorta elders saying if you don't call it out when you see it you are also part of the problem.
BTW. i was trying to find out last night how realistic this opposition to Australia day is within the Aboriginal community, there is really not much info out there.
But found this article from last year, and its from the most far left rag in the country so i was surprised things hadn't been pushed higher.
It found only 15% of Australians that wanted a date change
And only 54% of Indigenous Australians, yes sure thats just over 50% but its not very convincing considering the issue as when asked you would expect they would feel they should say a date change should happen and off that 54% you can bet a large percentage in reality after the poll didn't think twice about the issue.
So save to say even among indigenous people as assumed most couldn't give a rats about the day or date change.
So 15% of Australian population plus half of 3% of population (Aboriginal population) so all up about 16.5% of Australian population support a date change.
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2017/jan/26/most-indigenous-a...
Change the date out of respect. Also place a marker on every site where a massacre of aboriginal people took place with a description of what happened.
Ditch England. Celebrate the new date. There’s your solution.
Bang on, Shorey.
Ultimately that's what is needed but unfortunately that's a long way off in a practical sense, why not start by government and the nation accepting the Urlru Statement from the Heart. It's going to take political leadership from here, do we have it?
"Oz day used to be fun until the flag wavers and lefties got hold of it."
Isn't that the truth!
It was just a public holiday, a fairly bland generic one, that was a day off more than anything. Half the time you wouldn't have even known what it's for....just like the rest of our public holidays...now that is aussie culture!!....In a nut shell...
And now....fuck me...It's turning into a day of outrage, to top the other 364 days of perpetual outrage.
Nice conversation on RN this morning, with lefty Michelle Grattan saying there's a heap of other indigenous issues we should be talking about...I agree, we probably should...and probably would....if permitted...maybe 'the conversation' could endeavour to facillitate those conversations more. Instead we'll just argue about superficial shit...again...
Conversely, is scat-mo serious?
A reenactment of the sailing of the endeavour? For reconciliation of all things...WTF!
This man has no idea.
Interesting show on NITV last night 'we don't need a map'. Very relevant to this conversation, with southern cross tattoos, cronulla riots, big day out bans, and potential indigenous nationalism all getting a run. A good little insight into indig. culture too, great little docco.
This debate like so many is what happens when there is no political leadership. Can any of us imagine for a minute that past prime ministers from Whitlam through to Howard wouldn't had a well articulated publicly stated view on this issue? You may not have agreed with it but it would be there. Now we have various shades of beige on both sides, fuck shorten has to hit the road running after the election on so many issues.
Unpack all that usual Sypkan gish-galloping crud if you dare!
Like Trump's fact checkers, there's a fulltime job in there for someone. No penalty rates though (this is Australia. Oi!)
Swellnet needs a paTH intern or 2. An unemployed type with a lot of time on their hands, that is on here 24/7, and that could really benefit from having to search and substantiate.
2 candidates spring readily to mind.
Howzabout it Stunet?
Help out the unfortunate, and save time and a buck.
Win win.
For us all.
Oi!
The Oz has currently been hitting the stands daily with anti-Labor articles. Today's is a tone deaf whine about Shorten's plan to limit overseas boat crews working in Australia because it will drive up business costs.
And BTW Shore Dump has REALLY nailed it.
Unpack all that usual snide factobum innuendo crud if you dare!
Like Trump's fact checkers, there's a fulltime job in there for someone. No penalty rates though (this is Australia. Oi!).
Aren't chardonnay socialists still getting penalty rates?
Probably, could be a good little wicket for someone, you know recruit one of your own inbreds, like the rest of the 'fact checkers' do, whilst the workers get raped...again. Nice work there facto, looking after the little man.
No opinion, no position, not an inch of reasonableness, just high and mighty aspersioms from afar.
Great contribution to the discussion...if you're only talking to yourself, or your deciples, or the choir... still...again...for evermore....
And according to you, Sypkan, ol' 'identity politix' bean, Grattan is a 'lefty'.
No doubt 'cos she got a run on the 'lefty lynch mob' (who said that again, I wonder?) ABC??
Sypkan, the according one.
Whoops.
Spell check.
Who reads the OZ anyway? Certainly not the voting punter although there is a regular contributor here that has provided links to the paywalled Oz on occasion.
When it comes to the Oz and Murdoch I'm with Rudd (a very rare event). He reckons Labor ought to take on the Murdoch stable of rags or at the very least ignore them when it comes to policy development. Good advice lets see if they are up to it.
Well to be honest, she sounded a bit righty, kind of reasonable within the stifling confines of her political correctness.
I just assumed she's a lefty because she's from the conversation apparently. Which certainly ain't right.
Speaking of left / right.
I thought this seemed to be almost a reasonable proposal in the current political climate...
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2019/01/22/a_modest_proposal_...
Republic is the way to go. New date right there.
Date being changed for an actual reason, not just to appease a few shit stirring lefties.
Sypkan most labels are created / exist then one side seeks to create a negative sentiment to go with the label.
Republicans / conservatives have done an excellent job on socialism and basically any thing with social cogitations being left (bad) business (good).
I didn't read the whole article but suspect it missed this very point that the labelling and sentiment is intended.
WA ABC this morning an indigenous bloke doctor of some thing was asked about Jan 26th.
He said (my interpretation) why would we celebrate a raising of the British flag for colonial purposes as a Nation day.
He wanted to celebrate Australia day that meant some thing like Federation or some date in May (wasn't the 8th Zen) cannot remember (busy swearing at the fu(ked surfing conditions)
Just stated common sense.
He was cheered by the (I assume) all white audience.
BTW some of those lazy Liberals and beetroot face want to legislate the 26th they are fu(king dogs IMHO.
I agree i focus.
And fwiw, I really don't take a side in the whole name calling debacle, but I have noticed a growing trend in people writing off everything they don't agree with as "far right" or "extreme right" when actually the writer's position is a clear mirror image, just in the opposite direction, and vice versa...
Whoevers responisible I just don't think it's good for debate or society, as most people are in the middle by definition. Increasingly way over there into the middle in most cases. Yet these extremists views - from both sides - get all the attention (and resources), leaving most people from all political leanings feeling unheard and neglected.
And besides, WE'VE REALLY GOT TO STOP YELLING AT EACH OTHER!!!!!!
in all forms.
In the current climate , there's only one way this will all end, and it ain't prety.
Syppo with regards to that link, I'm not real keen on such a simplistic view of the political spectrum - considering that liberalism is in the centre, saying that it is a 'side' of the spectrum is a shit start.
1938 'Day of Mourning' stands alone/proud each 26th of January to mark Landing.
DOM or 'Citizenship Day' is longest running national date honoured occasion.
That's right! Aborigines display greater reverence for our White Australian History.
As such PM is pissed off by Aborigines unbroken ties with "Jan 26 Title Claim"
Scomo seeks to abolish 'Day of Mourning' & re date Aboriginal Mc 'Happy day'.
Promo's Jan 26 is 'New Aussie's One Day Sale' + that other thing if we so bother...
Whatever PM decides. Aborigines will be prohibited-whatever Monday it lands.
Tough crowd that deprives the deprived their Day of Mourning. (Actually a crime?)
By the power of ProMo, you've got to bring your gallop down, Sypkan, to a canter at least.
"fwiw I really don't take a side in the whole name calling debacle..."
A few posts above that, you come up with this pearl?!
"Aren't chardonnay socialists still getting penalty rates?
Probably, could be a good little wicket for someone, you know recruit one of your own inbreds..."
[nice added edit there too, BTW]
And that's just this morning!
You're the king of US imported, right-whinge, lazy pejorative on here.
Pat Buchanan's heart swells.
Hang on, has he got one?
Do I have to go back to referring to you as Seppo...again?
More haste, less speed.
And get off the Kool-Aid.
Wait, Trump's tipple of choice is Diet Coke.
Whatever.
And BTW now Kelly A and Shore Dump are getting it!
Oh, and Stunet, of course.
But he's a Stalinist.
Or summat.
Oi!
sypkan, that makes almost as much sense as Swift's modest proposal.
"I profess, in the sincerity of my heart, that I have not the least personal interest in endeavouring to promote this necessary work, having no other motive than the publick good of my country, by advancing our trade, providing for infants, relieving the poor, and giving some pleasure to the rich." - Sypkan (I think)
Geez I did say...
"I thought this seemed to be almost a reasonable proposal in the current political climate..."
"almost"
And yeh, andym the realclearpolitics article was a bit simplistic and dumb, an ongoing theme there, but I think the point stands
It doesn't matter what the medium, opposing views are increasingly portryed as 'far right' or 'extreme left' and vice versa in the media and in general.
It's just an attempt to discredit the other side rather than argue the point. I reckon both sides have some pretty extrene views on some pretty key points at this present moment in time, but neither side are willing to debate them, so they just yell at each other.
Meanwhile some other key points- like equality, economy and environment - key points most people can actually agree on, are being neglected.
I do bag the right too factobum, you're just not as sensitive about it so you don't notice.
I only call the left lazy perjoratives because they're pretty lazy with their lazy constructed perjoratives. You need to develop an argument.
Edited yes, changed no.
Do you really want me to go back over your edits?
"I only call the left lazy perjoratives because they're pretty lazy with their lazy constructed perjoratives."
Huh?
"You need to develop an argument."
"Do you really want me to go back over your edits?"
Yeah, go on.
Any that have fundamentally shifted a first posting and that aren't just cleaning up/clarifying spelling, grammar, sentence structure.
Go for it.
Call me someone who gives that kind of shit.
BTW what's your excuse?
More speed, less haste?
Should have put this thing to bed with a referendum when we did that same sex marriage thing.
Im sure i said it back then, that they should have asked a few questions in regard to social issues.
1. Same sex marriage
2. should we become a republic
3. Should Australia day remain on the 26th
Such a wasted opportunity and so much money wasted on one trivial issue.
Anyway better go read the Australian online to make the most of my subscription i apparently have :P
So are we allowed to edit or not?
Did I fundamentally shift from the first post?
Jeezus, maybe I shouldn't give your nous (as Stunet decrees) the benefit of the doubt...
Anyway...
Allied to PM ProMo's latest expensive brain-fart re: Cook, check this for some further date/history re-visiting:
https://www.nla.gov.au/faq/how-was-australia-named
And I'm sure we've all heard about this fella. No statues, but? (defo click on and expand the transcript)
https://www.abc.net.au/radio/programs/worldtoday/who-was-the-1st-austral...
Deluxe, factual post facto.
factotum exposes yet more Textbook brainwashing.
Southern Land was named Australia before Brits even entered Southern Ocean.
New Zealand/Tasmania/Australia already discovered & named.[re:factotum] Above.
Darwin > E'Coast > S'Coast maps out 1600's Spanish/Portuguese/Chinese relics.
Cook with stolen maps was last to step ashore on same Oz Eastern Coastline.
Brits trailed the Dutch/Spanish/Portuguese/French to New Zealand...
Brits claim Cook was first to land in NZ ...Again more Bullshit...
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/australiaandthepacific/newzea...
We see a pattern with Euro's respecting Native lands & Sheltering in Bays.
No need to claim inhabited lands, especially where natives are defending the shore.
Just name the place & get outta there alive....sure some got banked on a tide.
Cowardly British hunted South Pacific military bases to fight off enemy France.
Cook wasn't gonna respect Native people nor their Lands.
Cook would shoot & kill to claim the shore of each nation then hoist the Kings Flag.
He'd then disarm wounded Aborigines.(Brits still refuse to return spears/shield)
Cook's Theme: Lure with trinkets >Shoot Natives> disarm victims> Fly Kings Flag!
https://www.themonthly.com.au/issue/2018/may/1525096800/bronwyn-adcock/c...
King's orders were to Chart the Coastline omitting strategic Strongholds.
Reportedly Harbours/Ports/Islands/Points and we can also note omission of Rivers.
In fact some were coded into the Charts with deviated lines hiding Stronghold.
For 100's of years Oz Scholars have relied on Comics as geographic benchmarks.
He bastardized Charts for Military aims.
Can you see the theme of Brit War mongers reshaping our nation as a fortress.
Paranoid Cook reckons French are also securing South Pacific so he plays wild card.
Cook claims East Coast Oz in Kings Name as no one lives there. 'Despite invasion!'
Joseph Banks reckons Captain has lost the plot. No protocol claim was carried out!
Fake News/False Claim...How does Cook explain away booty of spears +shield?
1791 Convict Bryant's log of East Coast / Morton Bay was confiscated by Bligh.
Bligh hands over Bryant's log to Flinders who rediscovers 1799 Morton Bay. (Hero)
Now it's revealed Bungaree was 1st Oz to circumnavigate Australia. [re: factotum]
1938 > only ever Aborigines front up on Landing Day! Our PM aims to ban them!
What chance for our schoolkids to have a decent education in lying shameful Oz.
Sure the long weekend officially starts tomorrow, but patience has never been my strong suit and today is just too damn fine to waste with thoughts of routine So I’ve kicked this thing off early.
Actually started with a bang last night as another earthquake shook me from sleep. It was a stinker of a night . Building up to some monsoonal activity and the hot , still nights are here with a vengeance. Laying with the sheets bunched on the floor and the air from the fan brushing my skin.
Then I was woken by the Big Fella of the mob of greys that gets around the traps. He seemed to think that indoors was the place to be. First time I’ve seen a kangaroo trying to negotiate a fly screen door. Stupid prick.
Third event for the night and it sounds like someone’s after my tinny - the Sea Wok . Throw on some shorts and bolt down the path to investigate straight into an industrial sized spiders web. Still asleep , I actually feel the Big Golden orb running across my chest trying to escape.
The boat was fine . The spider and myself came to an agreement to stay the fuck away from each other from now on. Back to bed.
Woke up bleary to a perfect day. Northerly beats me to the punch . Surfing’s out so it’s coffees at the kiosk then a quick dive to spear some lunch.
Fish in the fridge , the days heating up and I’m planning on cracking my first beer at 14:30.
Feel free to join me.
Time to take stock of the incredible life we’ve got in this amazing country.
You might not like the premise, but I reckon this holiday rules. It’s the celebration of Australia at its peak. Everyone has let go of the old year and made inroads on the next. The craziness and release of the Chrissy / New Years is behind us and the summer has been wrung of every bit of fun available. The caravan parks and coastal towns are still chockers but the last hurrah is upon us. It’s been great and I’ve had a ball.
So raise a glass or an ice cream or a halal salad or whatever the fuck you want in recognition of how good we’ve got it here under Huey’s benevolent gaze.