McCoy Four Fins? NOT!

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Hey dude how come finless surfcraft are using non soft round rails to hold in ?

stick YOUR science FIGJAM!

Pan Doblao wrote:

My approach to surfing a McCoy lately is to forget about any favorite surfer I have had or about any maneuvers I have seen or known about. Just catch the wave and pretend you are the only surfer you have ever heard of, and see what happens and go with the flow.
I prefer the Single fins, although I have a tri-fin that is awesome.
A McCoy surfboard is shaped to the actual energy and form of a wave. It fits the wave.
I like mine heavily glassed. It doesn't slow down maneuvers, it gives more momentum.
The Gull Wing Fin is the ultimate design to go in the water and hold on, with the least drag or resistance, and it gives more maneuverability. They are foiled specially for optimum performance.
Concaves oppose wave shape and water flow. They have no control or hold. They want to stay low on the wave and they don't like to turn, but like to suck flat onto the water, and drag. The bigger the board and the wave the worse a concave or flat or vee works.
Some may say, a catamaran speed boat is the fastest. Yea, on flat smooth water, and going straight. And they flip up and over all the time. They lose control easily. Surfboards never go straight, even when running down the line they are in a constant turn, and they deal with a curling wave that's curved and bent.
McCoy's stay high on the wave in the speed line. Good surfers ride the barrel mid faced not at the bottom, unless the wave is square.
Even the best big wave riders can hardly bottom turn, and if they do, they lose so much speed, because the four towed in fins and the wide point forward narrow tail drags, the rocker is all wrong, and the edges are too sharp. They barely have control. More control, more speed. The dome cuts through chop.

The tightest turns on the tightest spots on waves, I have done are on McCoys. I thought , how did that happen with such a fat rail. The myth is that a thin rail does that better. Wrong!
Thin sharp pointy edges are good for piercing flesh and steaks, like knives, swords, arrow heads, , but water flows. So people want a board that is sharp, angular, thin edges like hunting spears or something, and they think a round soft fat wide thick board looks boring and simple for novices. Dead wrong. Water flows and sticks and behaves differently. My blood boils whe I hear someone say, .."hard edges for more bite". Bite?!! Bite me! hard edges do the opposite of bite, hold is what they mean. Hard edges shoot water away and the board away from the water.

Well fuck me...........Dorian ,Layer, RCJ and the rest of the chargers in the world are on the wrong equipment..you can hardly bottom turn boys,your board rockers are wrong and your quad fin setups are slowing you down...Brutus what have you done, introducing those deep single concaves ...the surfing world has gone backwards...............John John - pft poor effort at the Eddie..wrong equipment son ! ???
Pan ,what size Mccoy do you recommend for big Chopes ?

Very amusing, Pan. I'd be interested to hear your thoughts about a Ben Lexcen wing keel fin on a McCoy. That is, if you don't have to be going.

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That longer board of Derek's is the closest thing I've seen to Roy's plan outlines .

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southey wrote:

That longer board of Derek's is the closest thing I've seen to Roy's plan outlines .

Yeah I ogled that shape for the same reason. Perhaps just a wee bit of a fin could be added? :)

Pan Doblao wrote:

Hello Southey. Who is Roy?

It's hard to say but he's also known as Tom Bloke and Luddite.

Pan Doblao wrote:

Roy Stuart. Nice Ad Hominem and circular reasoning and vagueness, not making a specific point. The Foil? Lower end of what? What was wrong with the Foil? What was agricultural about it? What is stupid about my points?

Ad hominem yes, circular reasoning no, vagueness yes because i'm too busy to explain everything.

I refer to lower end of the scale in terms of quality of foil.

'Agricultural' I use to mean very basic, not refined, only good for digging dirt. The foil was about 50% flat and unfoiled, it is more or less just sharpened a bit at the trailing edge and rounded off at the front.

"What is stupid about my points?". That's a massive subject.

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udo wrote:

Hmm I think Kerry 1 has changed shapers

HaHa yeah he has gone soft lately.

Pan, only a month to go and its YOUR day !

Lol

You are wrong about the fin but I heard that Geoff is getting GW's cnc foiled now so they should be good. it is a nice fin planshape to be sure.

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Did u delete your posts pan doblao ? Back pedaling ? I wanted to read what u thought about the rails on finless boards

Caml, hope I'm not putting the cat among the pigeons here....

Anyway, I had a chat to Barry Regan recently. Barry is an ex-Cronulla fella, first guy to surf Lennox, and toothpick maker extraordinaire, he was saying that you get more hold on finless (at least finless 16' toothpicks) with a curved rail, not a hard and sharp one.

It's counter intuitive, people expect an 'edge' to hold better, but his experiences say otherwise. He's adamant that a round rail, when done right, gives better hold.

Pan d going on about how bad hard edges are and yet that's exactly what McCoy boards have.

Round rails I've been doing all the way to the tail for 21 years, Barry is right.

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Hmmmmm........

Have you read the SWAYLOCKS topic on the SHREDDA ......George Greenough still rides my product and loving it .......What do you think about that Roy .......when Billabong and FCS won't let their riders go anywhere near the product or try to advance to any Hi-Teck stuff all shapers are in trouble , how many of you guys have pro surfers riding your boards ???????

So do I ......anyone that shapes .....glasses .....sets the engine room ......polishes and spends his whole life designing boards that work for the industry I take my hat off to .....what a legend

stunet wrote:

Caml, hope I'm not putting the cat among the pigeons here....

Anyway, I had a chat to Barry Regan recently. Barry is an ex-Cronulla fella, first guy to surf Lennox, and toothpick maker extraordinaire, he was saying that you get more hold on finless (at least finless 16' toothpicks) with a curved rail, not a hard and sharp one.

It's counter intuitive, people expect an 'edge' to hold better, but his experiences say otherwise. He's adamant that a round rail, when done right, gives better hold.

Stu surely we both know this ? I do & have , haven't we all seen mc coys spoon with water flowing over , flip the spoon etc ? Well what I said was that the finless board designs of hynd & wegener & more are using much sharper harder corners ! Thus proving wrong what many of us thought

So barry regan is obviously an older gent ? Im not saying hes wrong im saying that theres often another way to skin a cat

Real mCoys are finished but a ghost will still do them in Byron.The GM planer has been hung up.A lap around the island then retirement in sunny Qld(2018).
Thai mCoys will still be available and good reports from people QUADding the XF Zots!

A 9'2 loaded dome Mcoy single fin on Gumtree Sylvania...fine looking thing it is
$1400 as new.

Hi,
I would like to start by saying good on Geoff McCoy for his designs that I am sure fill the needs of many surfers. I understand someone being proud of their design and having confidence in its performance in all circumstances that you could possibly think of but its hard to think of all circumstances.
I am 67 year old surfer and I lost my right leg above the knee in a motor bike accident. I ride a variety of surfboards and the main thing that makes them work for me is being able to change the fin position. I can't choose the fin position on a new epoxy board because the designers understand the physics behind the design and they know where fins go.

I am going give a McCoy a go. He makes a lot of sense to me. Like the designs too and I'm pretty sure I will be infinite and supreme pure LIGHT on a McCoy.

Well, I guess I missed a bit of the recent controversy in this thread but watching Nazarre got me thinking:

Udo:

"Well fuck me...........Dorian ,Layer, RCJ and the rest of the chargers in the world are on the wrong equipment..you can hardly bottom turn boys,your board rockers are wrong and your quad fin setups are slowing you down..."

Not that I disagree with your sentiment Udo (for the best in world are using this quad design and frankly I'm interested) - but did you notice how hard those 10' boards, long straight rail were to turn in the Nazarre comp. McCoy has merit here, the floaty tail and loaded dome would turn far more easily in those critical section, and the single fin would hold. If you all remember Cheyne surfed 30' Waimea, PADDLE, on a 5'8 McCoy modified Lazor Zap. So he's proved that wave can be paddled into. Now for Nazarre, anyone is going to need the length, but I wonder if a Zap style gun, paddled in similarly, could lift the performance considerably. Harder to see in reality as no one is riding them there at present.

im sure they said Twiggys board was 90 liters ? fukkin lot of board to turn.

Lucas Chumbo was swinging his Lyle Carlson around like it was a 7'6. And those boards have super straight and narrow swallow tails:

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Lucas is probably most interesting to watch out there as he is pulling the board out of trim, almost pumping it to generate more speed like a much smaller board. He's getting massive drive off the bottom of the wave too.

As for the Zap, my experience surfing much smaller waves is that it will hold, hold, hold then release you into the most critical, steep part of the wave - where it likes to be. Then its pivot turns in the pocket are unmatched. Not sure I'd want that holding at 20ft Nazarre, but maybe a 9'0 version would get in sooner?

I know this is a really old thread, but I haven’t surfed a thruster for about 5 years...until about 4 weeks ago when I surfed a 2000 model McCoy shaped by Darren Rogers, water logged, heavy as shit in 3ft glassy waves.

After 4 waves when I worked out not to move from the rear it worked...really well, glide like a single pivot off the top.

Long story short I purchased a 6’3 XF nugget, so much fun, i have surfed it in 1-4ft waves, most of the time bumpy crap, it flies. I’ve had two surfs in 3-4ft clean waves - amazing.

Anyway I really am impressed, I probably could have gone a 6’1 or even a 5’11, and I still may yet.

I think, for me, thrusters have always worked with a wide tail, this thing just works.

I hear ya drodders.

Tried 4 fins a long time ago, and just simply missed the drive that the thruster thou provide.

Speaking of old threads, here's a nugget I found in the swellnet sub-cockles where Cheyne Horan and Geoff McCoy discuss riding a 5' 8" in huge Waimea Bay.

https://www.swellnet.com/news/design-outline/2012/10/09/waimea-bay-58-tw...

Sorry to disappoint the last 2 posters but Quad Mcoys outdrive and outspeed any mcCoy thruster ive ridden(around 50 or so).

If ya wanta have sub par performance on a McCoy ride a single,then get on a 3 fin and get some performance.

Top speed is with NO fin on the stringer.

“Tried 4 fins a long time ago, and just simply missed the drive that the thruster thou provide.“

Pretty sure it’s quads that offer drive which thrusters sometimes lack.

So might’ve been something wrong with the quad you tried.