Home Made Board Thread
Whats it costing you in material to make one ....... under $250 eh..?
Are you using a fresh blade everytime on the cut laps and try to do cut just after the Lam Gells
Do they have a full length hard edge on the bottoms ...or is it just in the pics?
They look intriguing.
Cost ?
Hi folks,
Udo suggested some homemade board share action - how can I upload pics here? Birdfood, I can't see yours, either?
go to imgur.com and put the pics on your desk top.
Then make a small screen for imgur and drag the photo into the box.
then copy the forum link in the "get link" section
post links here.
surfstarved have you been making any Sea Dragons ?
Ah I must have trashed the links. Here's the pics again.
Boards 3,2,1
Board 4
Board 6
Board 7 - Another machine shape and better, yet still terrible cutlap. Epoxy on PU again. 6'0"x19"x2 1/2". I feel like my glassing is starting to come together with this one
Cost wise I think the machine shaped boards are at least $300 each all up ignoring the money I'm spending buying tools and setting up my shed. No full hard edge on them, in fact in the tails I haven't done a good job of getting that crisp edge. Hopefully I'll be better on board 8. I ordered the blank a few weeks ago and I'm going to have another crack at hand shaping.
I've since put quad boxes in the purple and red board and I feel it goes way better that way than as a thruster. The tail tip is about 9 (?) inches wide with 2.4 inches of tail rocker. I took it out a little while ago in waist high but barreling waves at snapper and it felt pretty good! I think the wide yet rockered combo is good for small steep waves.
Post images from imgur in tags like: [ img ] link [ /img ] (without the spaces)
Seems like you’re enjoying it Birdfood! Stoked for you. The best bit about shaping your own board is that if you’re capable with the tools, you can get exactly the board you visualise in your head, without the unavoidable discrepancies inherent when someone else makes it for you. Whether this is a good thing or a bad thing depends upon your design skills ....or lack of.
The journey is interesting enough.
I just out of the water on a board I finished from a machine blank then got glassed by someone else.Available glassers are very hard come by at the moment! Best beach break board I’ve ridden in some time.
Birdy you need that hard edge and its no drama to add to filler coat after sanding to get it + add some more if needed - adding the edge will change the board, like Brutus once said sand the edge off a board and feel the difference ...
Swaylocks is your friend - Zillions of pages of tips n tricks
Stick your nose in nearest Glassing shop and watch a few lams and fillers get laid and sanded
Its invaluable what you will pick up watching a Tradesman at work..
https://www.swaylocks.com/forum/99386/sharp-edge-foam-or-build-resin?page=1
I definitely can not put into foam what's in my head! I wish there was a cheaper way to practice shaping to get the skills up. What sort of board are you on Blowin? There's something extra special about a good session on a board you made hey
Udo, I don't know why I never thought of it but you made me realise I should go and add the edge to the purple / red board! It's a good thing about making boards your self is modifying them doesn't feel like such a leap, more just a continuation of making the board?
I think I've spent more time on swaylocks than I have actually making boards... My problem is I hate sanding and the mess is makes. I think on the next board I'll try to be more conventional with my sanding. It has to be the most under-rated step in the board making process.
I'd love to hang around a good glass shop (mad house comes to mind) to watch the magic happen. I can really imagine that glassing 6 boards in a day would absolutely propel your abilities compared to one every 6 months or so where you feel like you're re-learning the basics each time. But with a 9 month old at home I'm pretty time poor currently. Looking forward to making him his first board though :)
Yep go ahead and add the Hard Filler edge be cool to get your ride report.
My first and only attempt. 6'4"x21"x3'. A bit too buoyant but at the time I couldn't be fagged taking the extra 1/2" of foam off but in hindsight should have. I call it the Mini Mini Mal!!! Cost was about $300 all up.
Fun looking little shape you got going on there Gary. Looks good.
That does look fun, been thinking about making a similar shape at some point for the tiny days when I don't feel like taking a long board. How's it go?
Here you go Birdfood. It’s 5’11”. Not sure about the other dimensions- it just feels and looks right! I’m in love with it at the moment. It’s nice to be still experiencing new sensations from surfing as I approach the big 5-0 and that’s what this board does, gives me access to turns and lines I’ve not done before. Goes where you want it to go which is the ultimate aim , I guess.
GaryG- That design looks intriguing. I saw something similar in a shaping bay a couple of weeks ago and felt like running out the door with it to go play in some cruises walls.
Udo- It’s all about those hard edges!
How tall/heavy are you, Blowin?
Birdfood suprisingly it went better in a solid 6 foot session I had than in the small stuff.
I based the shape off a 6'8" which I had shaped for me a few years back, which is honestly the best board I have ever had so I tend to gravitate back to that board most of the time.
I'm going to have another crack at this one shortly and get the thickness right this time around. If you're interested I have some pretty accurate dimensions of the 6'8" you could use if you need a starting point.
Gary - That Planshape screams Bonzer me .
The curves and proportions on your board do just look right Blowin! I hope I'm still able to surf something in those dimensions when I'm near 50, lately I've been riding a 6'4" x 20" x 2 3/4" channel bottom single in any and all conditions. The extra foam is a godsend for the sweep that accompanies good waves on the GC. Like you I feel like I'm surfing new lines that I haven't before.
Yes please Gary, send them through! There's something about the tail shape that looks really manoeuvrable on that board. I'm thinking I might make an egg, somewhere 5'8"-6' x 22" x 2 3/4" for my mini mini mal. Something I can put in the car with the dog and the family and a weekend of stuff and know I'll be able to have fun no matter what the waves are doing.
Birdfood, did you shape the single fin?
Boards look great btw..
Nah didn't shape the single fin. I think with some practice I could have a go at badly shaping the channels, but I don't think I'd be able to glass them. Definitely need a lot more glassing experience or really slow cure resin for me to attempt something like that. I've been surfing it in everything and finding that it surfs really well for my ability, knee high wind swell to overhead points.
Birdy did you end up adding that Sharp Filler rail edge to the boards
Do you / have used Suncure resin ?
i spilled suncure resin on my bed sheets yesterday...pissing myself off in my bedroom..my board racks right next to my bed. grr
Oh man what a nightmare! I used UV cure polyester for my first 2 boards but I've switched 100% to epoxy now if for no other reason than to not fume bomb my neighbours. I haven't got around to putting that edge on yet, too time poor and the waves here have been phenomenal this month. Plus I've been putting a raised floor in the shed to make the space more enjoyable to work in...
The Liquid UV cure i used from Shapers had nil odour .
Thanks Udo that's good to know. Beginning to use epoxy here, phenomenally less VOCs
Using algae nixes the cropland argument, if that algae is grown in containers or on non-farming land... although the algae will need inputs to be optimised:
https://sustainablebrands.com/read/chemistry-materials-packaging/ucsd-un...
velocityjohnno wrote:Using algae nixes the cropland argument, if that algae is grown in containers or on non-farming land... although the algae will need inputs to be optimised:
https://sustainablebrands.com/read/chemistry-materials-packaging/ucsd-un...
the article is 6 years old ....Artic are not Nth America...they are made in Mexico.....I am using some of their Algae blanks here in Australia...not as white , but OK.......one of the problems was the amount of energy used to make Algae into oil ........as the algae blanks are still oil based , not fossil fuel though....
Thanks Brutus, are the algae blanks a thicker density near the crust like a modern blank? And yes, at almost every stage there will be a roadblock like increased energy (eg to make hydrogen for fuel cells electrolysis is energy intensive). I guess you could make the algae blanks in a factory with full solar roof (then you'd have to replace the panels every 25years, the inverter probably sooner)
It's almost more appealing to go back to (sustainable) wood :)
Or keep good boards for a long, long time - if they last.
Yeah the Artic /Algae blanks are just not as white as normal PU ...but shape the same like a modern blank....Artic is based in Mexico where the EPA laws are no where near the California laws.......
The algae actually has to be refined into oil , so there is a refinery needed to do volume........I still think that a new US Blank , the red 2.0 . is by far the best blank...so lite and strong , put an Appelcore laminated stringer in the blank then get the board infused with Bio-epoxy , and that's by far the most sustainable board on the planet.
On the wood front am working with my son on a new all balsa sustainable surfboard with a Co called Varuna...to be cont'd.....so far very good.... https://www.varuna.surf/
Cheers Brutus, did a chambered paulownia 6ft Hypto-Krypto type board with my son for his Yr11 woodwork project, have fun with the balsa, the paulownia surfs with a different momentum and seems to gravitate into the pocket, wood was a lot of fun and you can walk the shavings through the house and it's not toxic haha
Here you go fellas
Gene Cooper ultimate craftsman project, chambers heavy high density foam and cedar.
velocityjohnno wrote:Cheers Brutus, did a chambered paulownia 6ft Hypto-Krypto type board with my son for his Yr11 woodwork project, have fun with the balsa, the paulownia surfs with a different momentum and seems to gravitate into the pocket, wood was a lot of fun and you can walk the shavings through the house and it's not toxic haha
what a great project for you and ya young fella.....and yeah wood feels completely different in the water as it has completely different flex and torsion properties.......
VJ, great father/son project and a quite left of centre than the standard bookshelf school project.
Did your son get a good mark?
Thanks crew, yeah he did, 2nd in class that year (then the Yr12 prize doing an electric 12 string cutaway hollow Gibson Les Paul copy with all the nice timbers!) - he's been that way since when he was born I reckon, able to build things nearly perfectly and very hands on, maybe a Gen Z thing. (His mates broke a front axle offroad on their 105 Series Cruiser, they just removed it where it was, put it back together and kept going in 2wd, I was blown away...) Now he's got an apprenticeship with a very good builder and crew in the region and he's going well beyond the surfboard skills I taught him. So I'm very happy with the results... He suffered in VCE as things like woodwork and VCD get scaled down, but the experience will set him up well - work is diverse and was recently on a high end architect designed place and he came home going "This is what I want to do!" He was a spun out kid, on kindy day when the kids made pipe-cleaner insects and they all went running out to the parents with these mangled things at home-time, he bought a beetle with perfectly proportioned head, thorax, abdomen, correct number of legs in correct places, bent at perfect angles... Also when learning to write would comfortably write in all 4 directions (as Da Vinci did) - it was sad teaching him to write only one way... Could catch any animal as a kid too, was asked if I wanted a lizard/bird/fish etc as we traveled around Oz... You wonder where their souls come from...
The board itself had a bit of an impact. Walking in the hallways with it shaped to go into the shop, heads were turning and a little year 8 came up and exclaimed "No fukkin waaay!". I think the teachers got into it as well, as since he has left I've heard a few of them have done their own wooden boards.
Hopefully we can make more. I have a plank on frame one I've got half done and will try to laminate it as eco-friendly/stone age tech as I can :)
Wow VJ, he sounds like a super talented and switched on young fella, with a healthy respect for nature as well...
You and Mrs. VJ must be super proud....
another legend of shaping...
&ab_channel=WarrenLuke Shaping in long ugh boots.....that made me laugh, wonder how much foam dust he tips out of them at the end of the day.
Would love to try out a bunch of his designs at the "Surf Ranch''.
What a champ VJ. I have to agree, where does that stuff come from?
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Birdfood
Did you add the Hard Resin Edge to any Boards......?
Still haven't got the hang of that edge! I'm pretty time poor at the moment so going surfing is taking priority over board stuff when I get any. Here's my latest board, I hand shaped this one from a marko eps blank. Pretty happy with how it came out :) 6' X 19.74 X 2.5. The blue colour looks funny in the photo I think due to the UV filter on my phone. The tail edge is pretty tight, but not sharp. Maybe a couple of mm radius edge. I dam the tail when applying the resin but maybe I'm not damming enough in there or over sanding?
https://imgur.com/NhpR1Co
https://imgur.com/HkjZyzr
Check this site out Birdy - This guy does quality work and does a few things a bit different to the norm in the Glassing process [for the better]
100% Solo operation i think ..and a nice happy colour shaping room.
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCqirbPkRu5IvFuXoNE5gulA
Thanks Udo! Shrednaught's youtube looks really helpful. I think there's at least of couple of expoy demos in there too which is great
A Top Rail Tool
South Coast Foam at Burleigh still the best Prices for Homemade Board Builders
On Average your Saving a min $40 per Board
http://www.southcoastfoam.com.au/
rail tool is interesting udo, I've always used a sharp 90 degree straight edge for that kind of thing. Smart man putting in carbide sanding surface
planer (fast) or surform (if out-of-form) for the rail bevels - wouldn't want to overshape the tail with that 60 degree angle!
Some use a Router for the Plan Shape Cut out.
Show us your home made boards! Here's my first three from right to left (took me about 2 years from first to last):
Board 1 5'10"x21x2 3/4 PU/PE horrible cut lap gouges, heaps of volume, I rode it pretty much exclusively for the 12 months after making it. I'd still be riding it now but it's out of action with a busted fin.
Board 2 5'10"x20x2 1/2 PU/PE ugh I seem to have a habit of doing something the second time much worse than the first. Super boxy rails. I haven't ridden this one much. Cut from a fish blank so it's got a very flat rocker.
Board 3 5'8"x19x2 1/2 PU/Epoxy with an acrylic fade brushed on. I still ride this one. Again, this one is cut from a fish blank. I tried to increase tail rocker and shape in double concaves through the fins and a vee off the tail. It technically has all of these features but at the confluence of the three it's got these weird hip bone curves right where the side fins are facing outwards from the bottom. I used peel ply for this one and a foam roller. No sanding and you can see the squeegee lines in the hot coat.
Board 4 5'2"x19x2 1/2 I re-shaped a factory second machine shape that was very kindly given to me when I when to buy a marko blank. Stringerless EPS with two layers of 4oz on the bottom and three layers on the deck. I used peel ply again this time with a squeegee and a roller for the rails. This is my go to board (or the fade thruster). It's super light and super fast and realistically it's pretty uncommon to get waves on the GC that this board can't handle. I hand sanded the rails and bottom using wet sand paper and left the deck unsanded.
Board 6 5'10"x19x2 1/3 I'm currently building. I've had the machine shaped blank for about 18 months but now with the lock down I've got a pretty good excuse to finish it. First time using the Surf Flex resin from Sanded and I'm pretty impressed with it. Coming back the following day after laminating it was really easy to cut through the glass with a razor so I reckon I might attempt a cut lap again on Board 7 or 8. This will be my most "conventional" short board. Not sure how I'm going to find riding it as I'm not used to having to generate speed. Definitely the best shape out of the boards I've done and I'll be almost certainly getting my next boards machine shaped.
I'm finding the glassing to be the part of the process I'm most interested in. All of my boards have mistakes and bubbles and insects in the glass. I'd love to be able to do this more often but need to work out how to make it cheaper / get more time. I reckon once I'm past board 10 I might be less sentimental about them and will probably start trying to sell them used to help fund the next one.