Turnbull rolls over "again" to the ultra right
@zen…its a little difficult to 'feel worse off or not'. There is still a strong economic tide working against Aus and if fact the rest of the world. But it would be fair to say that the current government has not been the answer to many of the problems from the previous Labor. There is still a serious cloud of corruption hanging over Labor with Shorty directly involved. Sure they got the previous Labor President and a federal MP but the feeling around the traps is that the bad stench of corruption is still there. Is this important ? Fundamentally it is, since policies stated do not mean anything when it comes to implementation. Sure Abbott has stuffed up a few key points but note that this government, like in many ways to the previous Labor, is cornered by the Senate. Labor is now playing Abbott style politics - fair enough. Greens have changed leaders and reaping the disillusionment out there. Excuse the cliches but a week is a long time in politics. But if you look around you, most of us seem to be better off. More spare cash to chase those waves, I suggest.
From an outsiders perspective Tony, we've got a pretty good system of government, not perfect but better than many countries. Wherever politicians gather, there will always be the stink of curruption and on both sides. Both sides take the piss, really just depends upon which MSM newsite reports on whom and what day. I think the big danger is this American popularist style that both seem to be adopting, there's no vision from either- just pot shots over the bow and the one that scores the most hits wins regardless of the damage to the ship. I think Australian politicians overstate just how important we are in the world. If it wasn't for poisonous animals, we'd barely rate a mention.
I suppose my political views in some way have been shaped by the Unions. Early in my working life I had to have a couple of compulsory (or so I thought) union memberships and it sure as hell didn't benefit me, quite the opposite really. Striking out on my own was the best thing I ever did and I'm no silver spooner. I'm a shit kicker who's been working ever since I was 14, I know the value of a hard days work.
Say g'day to Nicki Buckley for me:)
tonybarber wrote:@zen…its a little difficult to 'feel worse off or not'. There is still a strong economic tide working against Aus and if fact the rest of the world. But it would be fair to say that the current government has not been the answer to many of the problems from the previous Labor. There is still a serious cloud of corruption hanging over Labor with Shorty directly involved. Sure they got the previous Labor President and a federal MP but the feeling around the traps is that the bad stench of corruption is still there. Is this important ? Fundamentally it is, since policies stated do not mean anything when it comes to implementation. Sure Abbott has stuffed up a few key points but note that this government, like in many ways to the previous Labor, is cornered by the Senate. Labor is now playing Abbott style politics - fair enough. Greens have changed leaders and reaping the disillusionment out there. Excuse the cliches but a week is a long time in politics. But if you look around you, most of us seem to be better off. More spare cash to chase those waves, I suggest.
get in the sea, Donny
Ooops!!!!!!! Look out!!!!!! Chopper Bishop!!!!! Then gay marriage vote disaster!!! Followed by 80 million fucking dollars blown in a staged royal commission!!!!!
I know!!!!! It's time to peddle out ISIS!!!!! It's time to peddle out Increasing the war effort!!!!!
Nah, sorry Mr Abbott...... We've seen it all before...... :/
This is a very complicated case Shatner. You know, a lotta ins, a lotta outs, lotta what-have-yous.
Ever noticed how whenever you listen to parliament, both house of reps and to a lesser extent the senate, the Labor and greens pollies sound like decent well informed people trying their hardest to help the average punter whilst the Liberal and National party tea party morons carry on like spoiled little private school boys saying na na na na na where in power and you're not and pointing, gloating and laughing at the well meaning opposition members. The only thing the conservatives care about is to make sure the born to privilege ruling class elite stay at the top of the food chain where they rightly belong. They hate our guts. Cheers.
That's bullshit Old-dog.
As an Australian, you can never say you weren't afforded the same opportunity. You have been free to walk your own path, where you end up is entirely up to you.
@ zen asks are you worse off under the current government as a means of rating it. Good question.
Personally, I haven't been better off given rocketing property prices and a life spent working crazy hours.
But as I'm naive and love the seemingly outdated notion of Australia as a country of the fair go and mateship I would also ask is my neighbour worse off ? and what are the lost opportunities for the country given what I see as the total ineptitude and inability of the current government to look forward?
No matter what political party you favour they are all reasonable questions
....unless zen you happened to be indigenous. Generational disadvantage cannot easily be overcome. More broadly the trend is to a greater concentration of wealth and power so old-dog has a point.
100% agree with you old-dog. Where on this bullshit meter is Abbott's government sitting today?
Roll out the terrorists Tony, quick!!!
labour and greens trying to help you ,are you kidding,they are all corrupt self serving pricks and as long as they can play the voter that they will be different from the last arsewipe you trusted and voted for the longer this corrupt pile of shit will rule ,this applies to every single politician world wide ,not just our pile of self serving shit
Agreed BB, I was using a very broad brush. But I suppose that brings me back to my earlier post, both governments can't see beyond the next election let alone take an inter-generational approach to Australias future.
Floydo, maybe you're working longer and harder because you like most people (including me) want a decent pad in a good spot, want a reliable ride, would like to take the lady out for a nice dinner or a holiday without having to worry about eating cup-noodles the next day and hopefully put a bit away for retirement. I feel your pain man but when kids are making $17 an hour, double that on weekends for manning the drive through, it aint gonna get any easier.
let's get this debate down to the level we've been accustomed to, since, well, Dec 2009 (there's a correlation there somewheres):
Does this Government pass the sniff test (as Hockey puts it)?
Well, I'm sure Bronny smelt quite nice, like Tweed, up to a point...then the faint whiff of Aeronautic fuel - or was that kero?? - became overwhelming.
Hockey has the fragrance of tobacco and crisp new dollar bills... with just a hint of I-don't-know-what-the-fuck-I'm-doing nervous sweat.
Dutton, the smell of correctional facilities. Abetz, death. Brandis, leather-bound volumes and Regaine.
Julie Bishop smells of asbestos and vinegar. Morrison, gold, frankincense and blood.
Barnaby, horse shit. Hunt, coal seam gas (I think that's what it is). Kevin Andrews, the tomb of the unknown Christian-soldier.
Hmmm, as for Tones? Testosterone and desperation and GOD!
I bet Pyne smells fabulous.
and Malcolm? Like the inside of a bank vault.
Maybe I should just go with the pub test??
Hands up who'd like to sink a beer with any of these people?
You'd make an excellent vigneron Shatner:)
@ zen , Good point and I see where you are coming from but no bullshit I challenge you to listen to the house of reps for a few sessions and not come to the same conclusion as me,(unless you're one of them).
As we speak the Libs are hell bent on deregulating the University system leading to 100k degrees out of reach of the less well off regardless of their merit. We are all born equal, just some more than others.
interesting you raise university degrees olddog, talking to some germans in a surf camp today and tbey cannot believe we went from having free uni degrees to paying for them. I asked does your government ever debate how to pay for degrees? most said never, not an issue for debate, they said one government introduced a nominal fee and even that got thrown out through relentless protesting. how do the germans get shit so right? I I know they're masters of engineering, but our economy must be similar with all our resource wealth.
I gotta agree old dog liberals seem like miserable people in that farce that is question time. when are they gonna change that shit? seems like an incredible waste of resources, especially when they ask their own side staged questions. . self indulgent crap!!
I'll have a beer with turnball, interesting man who holds himself well I reckon no matter the situation. and I'll have a beer with bronwyn....just so I can spit it in her face.
excellent assessment of our parliament zen...degraded to pop shots over the bow...meanwhile the ship is sinking...and no one really seems to care as long as they win the media game for the day. and I don't think we can blame the 24 hour media cycle, like everyone does.. USA has a progressive government and seems to be ricking along fine. UK has a conservative government and also seems to be ticking along fine (given current world conditions) it's just Australia that seems to enjoying a particularly bad period in politics, you wouldn't mind if it was a year or two, but we seem to be heading for 10 years of dysfunction.
linking zen's comment about wage rates with syphan's comment about the germans - why is it that germany can have a massive and profitable manufacturing industry and still pay developed world wage rates? an inconvenient truth in the rhetoric of conservative politics!
hey zen, i've hired many people in my time including in retail. its not wages but rent that kills small business.
it's nanny state OH&S as well, for every person who does work, you know real work, on say a minesite and actually produces a product, there's two guys producing absolutely nothing telling you how not to do your job
I'd have a beer with all of them.
But only so I could glass em.
sypkan wrote:it's nanny state OH&S as well, for every person who does work, you know real work, on say a minesite and actually produces a product, there's two guys producing absolutely nothing telling you how not to do your job
Don't forget the muppets in HR and IT.
Are we saying its tough to get a trade or degree and making a fair living ? If not a good one ? I would guess that most of us have a few boards, go for overseas travel chasing waves pretty regular. It might a good idea to have a look at some of our similar credential persons in say NZ or US or UK and see how they are travelling. There is a construction boom around those parts, so the blokes are pretty busy. And they are making a few bucks. The social divide is not that evident.
braudulio wrote:Don't forget the muppets in HR and IT.
http://www.theguardian.com/media/mind-your-language/2015/jul/03/george-o...
I have a theory: How can you pick the true, blue ribbon liberal voters on a busy freeway? Easy, they are the ones driving the brand new BMs and Mercs who refuse to budge from the fast lane even though doing 30ks under the limit with their noses in the air completely oblivious to the mayhem and carnage behind as 500 cars jostle and tailgate trying to get around them. Don't get me wrong I'm not saying they are all greedy self righteous bastards, it's just the 99% who make the rest look bad. Only ragging actually my cousin was a Liberal minister in the Howard Govt. He was such a down to earth top bloke that even the Labor mob respected him, in fact he was so nice most people just assumed he must have been a Labor politician.
You're a funny old fella old dog;) Maybe he was/is just a genuinely good bloke regardless of his political leaning?
I just bought my wife a new A4, do I count?
nothing to say nick3 or barley?
Floyd, check out the Brandis link in Australia uber alles..... Those pesky commoners using the law.... How dare they!!!! lol
Yeah, read it sheepy. Its what you get from those who think they were born to rule.
Apparently Abbott's nuts rest on the Canning byelection and before then we have the continuing train wrecks of the now thoroughly tainted Royal Commission and the governments inability to bury the same sex debate as they would like. Personally, I want Abbott to lead the government to the next election to allow him to completely soil the nest. If Turnbull gets the gig it will be a party divided given the 70 so far right conservatives in the parliamentary party that currently are in lock-step with Toxic Tony.
Floyd, I'll post something else there..... All the folk up in arms about "their taxes" should watch....
We are 1/2 through the 4th week straight where the daily media is full of stories of how fucking hopeless the Abbott government is.
This week's cabinet meeting didn't have an agenda and next week's has been cancelled. Why? the neocons have nothing to say or do, furiously idling on the spot doing nothing while the country is screaming out for leadership.
You suckers that voted for this pathetic, miserable and imbecilic bunch of knuckleheads driven by far right wing motherhood statements must be wondering WTF you were thinking. Or maybe you weren't thinking.
This week its those evil greenies declaring war on coal mining. BULLSHIT. If this change to the law goes ahead its going to impact most on the LOCK THE GATE farmers and green groups in NSW and QLD. They can't get coal mines up (lets face it who will finance them these days anyway?) so coal seam gas will be Abbott's new war on anything .... SHITHEAD.
Floyd - words used by the Libs in the past week against those who disagree;
Saboteurs.
Vigilantes.
Terrorists.
Communists.
Gutless........... You're either with us, or against us.....
And re' Canning bi election... I see the Libs have thrown another ex military person in the mix.... Ex Commanders as Governor Generals.... Military men as backbenchers... Isn't that what Suharto did in indonesia? Chavez? Mugabe? Since when has stacking the government with military men taken off in Australia?
Worse government ever........
I have realised there is no point debating morons Floyd.
You are just a twisted and mentally unstable loser that is breathing good oxygen.
No matter what your taste in politics I know Tony is a better person than you Floyd.
What have you done that is any way useful to anyone.
Also Old dick. Most liberal voters are down to earth hard working people.
Unlike most labor voters who are workers who need union to keep them in their job because they lazy and unproductive, welfare recipients and bludging immigrants.
I know who is more beneficial to Australia. Dickhead.
Worse government ever ........ you can say that again Sheepy.
Ok I will, worse government ever.
The Gillard government passed a record amount of legislation with a hung parliament because they knew how to negotiate with the cross-bench and they had policy vision. The Abbott government has passed the LEAST amount of legislation of any post-war government and why? (1.) they have no ideas, no sound policy agenda, no vision and no balls and (2.) they don't know how to negotiate with people only rub people up the wrong way.
@ nicko, you must have better than that son, no diatribe about working hard to support welfare cheats? nothing about refugees using your taxpayers money? man, you're slipping from your heyday running carbon tax rallies in phone booths ...... datta boy, more like the old nick3 at 2.49.
Jeez, these Abbott lovers have no sense of humor, they just throw tanties and spit the dummy and resort to name calling when they hear something they don't agree with, just like their representatives in the house.
nick3 wrote:Also Old dick. Most liberal voters are down to earth hard working people.
Unlike most labor voters who are workers who need union to keep them in their job because they lazy and unproductive, welfare recipients and bludging immigrants.
I know who is more beneficial to Australia. Dickhead.
Generalising much? Also wrong!
Nick3, get in the fucken sea!
Floyd I did you are just to dumb to realise. Old dick I do have a great sense of humour and by the way I am not happy with Tony because he is trying to play politics.
What the hell Brando ! Can't you see that I am trying to show the hypocrisy of the people on here.
Let's see on your side generalise no problems.
Old dick insult that's cool.
Floyd make ridiculous statements with out having the brains to know what your are coping and pasting.
Shanter it is dark here , no chance to get in the fucken sea.
Can I suggest please do not bring into this the Rudd / Gillard years when comparing to Abbott. Better to use the popular Whitlam or Hawke or even Keating times. If you talk to anyone in Labor the Rudd / Gillard years were a bit of an embarrassment. The HSU union issue is still not over, Shorty still may get busted. Couple of unions got caught pissing on their own workers. Labor is trying to get around the royal commission - silly Libs may have dropped the ball there - lets see.
The Canning by-election on September 19th should be interesting? https://www.laborherald.com.au/politics/labor-nominations-open-for-canni...
Shatner'sBassoon wrote:Nick3, get in the fucken sea!
I've seen people get out of the sea angrier than when they got in... Done it myself at noosa.... so I don't thinks thats gonna help Nick.....
I wonder how nick3's anger levels will be if the polls are right and Abbott's mob become the first one term federal government in 80 years?
Maybe yorko, my fellow south australian ;) .. hey man, check my canning comment out - 2.13pm... Cheers, bloke...
Yes sheepy we shouldn't be surprised at the appointment of another military man in Abbott's political arsenal.
The militarisation of government is point 4 in the list of 14 defining characteristics of fascist governments. http://www.rense.com/general37/fascism.htm
How's the new Border force uniform?
And the use of all Tony's flags? Point one one the list.
nick3 wrote:What the hell Brando ! Can't you see that I am trying to show the hypocrisy of the people on here.
Really? Pretty piss poor effort in that case, you just come across as a narrow minded ignoramus spouting tired old clichés.
And that'd be Mr Brando to you.
yorkessurfer wrote:I wonder how nick3's anger levels will be if the polls are right and Abbott's mob become the first one term federal government in 80 years?
Yeah would be poetic justice really, at least Scullin had the Wall Street crash two days after his election and the subsequent great depression as a backdrop. What's the Admiral got, aside from his own ineptitude etc.
BTW, only six flags? I thought it was now a mandatory dozen for Our Glorious Leader to impart his wisdom upon us.
Read the comments under this article - " Union calls for Labour to block free trade agreement with China " in The Guardian.
You'll have to google it as I've got no idea how to provide a link.
The extended run of long form comments by "Kinglyaffair" encapsulate the future in Australia if the current parliament ( both sides) is allowed to continue it's course.
if labor sign that they have officially lost the plot and any ounce of credibility they had left
kinglyaffair is the man! labor please give that man a job...you need him!
the thing that concerns me the most is we have sold all that stuff kinglyaffair lists and done all those supposed cost saving measures and the economy is still fucked. both sides have sold the public out and I really cannot see for what benefit
No-one got anything to say about the loss of the car industry under a government and high viz Tony that promised to create 1,000,000 jobs?
Slumber away ........