Turnbull rolls over "again" to the ultra right
Don't you mean, listening to Lou Reed while plotting your next obsessive post on that Abbott beast.
Who's going to take the leadership when two knives Shorten get shafted?
"Patriotism is the last refuge of a scoundrel" - Samuel Johnson
“Loyalty to country ALWAYS. Loyalty to government, when it deserves it.”
― Mark Twain
“A patriot must always be ready to defend his country against his government.”
― Edward Abbey
“Patriotism is the virtue of the vicious”
― Oscar Wilde
“The greatest patriotism is to tell your country when it is behaving dishonorably, foolishly, viciously.”
― Julian Barnes, Flaubert's Parrot
“People who enjoy waving flags don't deserve to have one”
― Banksy, Wall and Piece
“In every age it has been the tyrant, the oppressor and the exploiter who has wrapped himself in the cloak of patriotism, or religion, or both to deceive and overawe the People."
(Canton, OH, Anti-War Speech, June 16, 1918)”
“To oppose corruption in government is the highest obligation of patriotism.”
― G. Edward Griffin
Grocer, not even John Howard would stoop down to Abbotts disgusting level of behaviour.... An absolute piece of trash... A Murdoch puppet, wanting to destroy the ABC, a news service with no paywall... One less for Murdoch to worry about... perhaps his failing Australian papers and websites will return to profit with the ABC gone, huh?
Here's what Johnny Howard said to convicted terrorist live on Q an A not so long ago...
David Hicks - "Mr Howard: When you were Prime Minister, you left me in Guantanamo Bay for five and a half years.
During that time I was detained without charge for a long time; I was denied a fair trial; I was tortured.
Do you believe that I was treated humanely and that the military commission was a fair system?"
John Howard replied;
"Well, I'd make a couple of responses to David Hicks....The first is that isn't it a great country that allows this kind of exchange to occur and this is not the sort of exchange that would occur in other countries and in dictatorships"....
You fellas are definitely dumb and dumber, Grocer and Barley how can you possibly take Abbott and his stooges seriously?
Can you not see through them?
I'm going to put it down to the fact that you just like to be argumentative on this forum as opposed to really thinking the LNP are doing a good job in any way.
How far to the right do you want this country to go? Serious question.
Forget about partisanship and tribal allegiances, how much further to the right are you happy for this country to go?
Who would have thought we'd be so much further to the right now than with the Howard government??
silicun wrote:I have to disagree with the points made re : the public are to blame for the loss of manufacturing. What we buy as a population is in a large part dictated to us by marketing. Business relies on tactics which are beyond the seeing eye, marketing is underpinned by economic strategy and psychology. What we buy has little to do with personal choice and more to do with what companies want to sell us (how they can make the best profits, that is fundamental). An analogy ill draw upon is the loss of the Aussie corner store, when I was growing up they were ubiquitous, every suburb had one. You could buy some essential groceries, a bag of mixed lollies, a hamburger or fish and chips etc. Over the years these stores were out competed by fast food chains, supermarkets, petrol station franchises who offer a generally inferior product at the same or not significantly higher price. Now, if you ask the general population if they would prefer a hamburger traditionally made or a big mac most would go with the traditional burger, so why have these stores disappeared and why have the franchises and big businesses taken the lions share of the market? Purely due to marketing, they have been able to marginalise smaller stores and business through a variety of strategies and huge advertising campaigns, it has nothing to do with the choices made by the public, the public have been duped.
I know what you mean Silicun but here is my 2 cents...
Referring to your (excellent) analogy on corner stores, I don't think you can blame franchises or business models completely. The reason they work is because humans are creatures of habit and will mostly gravitate toward something familiar (especially when hungry). Also it comes down to the fact that the ease of operating a systemized business model is probably pretty appealing to your average small business owner. I think when people become more aware of how their consumer choices really affect things there will naturally be a niche and new business models will emerge. For example there is a growing fast food industry emphasizing grass fed humane beef giving Maccas a run for it money. The first change has to happen with the everyday consumer because that's all a business is in the end-a reflection of people's wants. Marketing is quickly becoming obsolete, there is something interesting happening in the World. I saw a super interesting doco the other day- http://thenakedbrand.com/
Four Corners tonight fellas, some shady shit went down when little Johnny was in power.
udo wrote:Four Corners tonight fellas, some shady shit went down when little Johnny was in power.
http://www.theage.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/key-liberal-fun...
I reckon we should have a Royal Commission into this one don't you think grocer & barley
Seeing as our incumbent PM once described himself as the political love child of Bronwyn Bishop
and John Howard, perhaps it's time to have a wander down memory lane and remind us all of his ol' Liberal papa's "family values" (or family secrets if you prefer)
https://archiearchive.wordpress.com/2012/03/24/john-howard-and-family-va...
I knew about the fascist New Guard stuff and the $melly situation with his brother Stan, but this?
http://www.smh.com.au/news/national/the-secret-howard-plantations/2006/0...
The fruit doesn't fall far from the tree, so to speak, huh?
As for Bronwyn "the Kerosene queen", as Tones would no doubt agree, she's a chick, doesn't really matter.
*Oh yeah, I think we all know about those other trifling matters: AWB oil-for-wheat scandal; the whole Iraq intelligence debacle; the boats! Siev X, Tampa; Patrick's and the wharves. No need to poke about there.
Carn fanboys, rip in, win one for The Gypper!
Liking your work SB. Mmmm, could always add the issue of ministerial (dis)honesty & Peter Reith.
His son's use of a ministerial phone while overseas; children overboard lies; his role during the Patrick's dispute; and how he left government/parliament as the defence minister only to immediately secure a high level job with the German(?) company selling the government some highly expensive defence equipment that only weeks earlier he was the government's decision maker on! No conflict of interest there.
Troy Brampston,
Shorten’s plummeting voter support is one of the most significant turnarounds for a party leader in recent decades. He is deeply unpopular. It is mind-boggling to many Labor MPs that Shorten is more disliked than Tony Abbott, who has never been popular with voters.
I wrote in March about growing internal Labor concern over Shorten’s leadership. It has increased significantly since then, particularly in NSW and Queensland.
Now leaks from shadow cabinet and caucus are spilling into the public domain. Labor frontbenchers are challenging Shorten on policy.
The key complaints against Shorten go to the development and sequencing of policy; parliamentary tactics; the quality of his speeches and statements and his penchant for embarrassing “zingers”; the slow pace of internal party reform; and the running of his office. Few inside Labor think they can defeat the Coalition after one term.
Don't worry about Abbott and Howard comrades . All eyes are on Bill Shorten and the dirty deals he's done.
kevin DUD...Julia Dillard...BULL SHITTEN !....a hat trick that Australia wont be proud of!
quadzilla wrote:kevin DUD...Julia Dillard...BULL SHITTEN !....a hat trick that Australia wont be proud of!
yet what of some of the "DUD/Dillard" policy? Even (especially?) the subsequently dismantled/gutted stuff?
I think you're right Quadzilla, it's a period that Australia will look back on and won't be proud of, will in fact be embarrassed by, but not for the reasons you're implying.
Meanwhile, lest we forget...
http://www.crikey.com.au/2015/06/12/open-and-shut-asis-crime-and-the-lab...
Gear up people, a new moon is a rising! an election is a coming. hhhuppff. Let's make sure we forget about the past transgression of TAbottt and focus on media savvy manipulation to help us make the right decision. Vomit
Lazarus has a couple of moves planned for the PM.
The brick with eyes squirrel gripping the Admiral!
I'd pay to see that.
I am heartened, by the LNP to engage in the referendum for moving forward on the recognition of FNP* to be a part of the Constitution. This is a hesitant view though. The language regions of the FNP need to have representative’s that have a knowledge of the need’s in their communities (country) at the state and federal level, that to me is the way for FNP to move forward and to be a part of their Nation within a world that has left them behind.
Hesitant, yes! why?
*FNP First Nation Peoples
shorten has to go-now. labor can still win the next election if they pick someone that can gain the trust of aust public and not union heavy. Plibersek may work, but infighting may decide who get's the cake.
party politics is a disgrace- vote independent.
For perhaps the last 100 years Australian politics has been about balance and the centre. Australians do not like extremes (a bloody good thing) either to the left or to the right. It has also been about the "fair go" but I wonder about that given the politics of "aspirational Australians" since Howard.
There is no doubt Abbott is pushing many policy issues to the far right and to a point where most Australians will feel "uncomfortable" where all this is heading. The ABC, climate change/RET, gay rights, isolated Aboriginal communities, health, education, pensions, meta data, citizenship rights to name just a few policy areas where he has or is picking fights and pushing his "battle of ideas" further to the right.
So my question.
Do you win this scrap with Abbott and his ultra conservative parliamentary colleagues with personality or policy. Certainly you need a strong opposition leader to argue the case for change and to explain the merits of the alternative approach/policy but it should be the policies that persuade people to vote Labor.
I agree Shorten needs to lift his game and Labor needs to working now very hard in the background getting well argued and costed policies in place to be ready for when Abbott calls the election before next May (we can't have a 2nd nothing budget from the LNP).
So I think its bigger than Shorten, its his party, they just need to get off their arses and want the victory.
For what its worth, I don't see Labor winning next election, I see the Greens picking up more seats in both houses and Abbott being stymied in the senate for a 2nd term. Things are only going to get more heated but like in America we Australians need 2 terms of a ultra right wing fucktard before we completely turn our backs on conservative policies. Go Hillary!
I agree with you Dave, vote independent or Greens .... geeez do you think I'm starting to rave like you too dave!
floyd wrote:I see the Greens picking up more seats in both houses and Abbott being stymied in the senate for a 2nd term.
I agree. The Greens are currently well positioned and will be the winners - not literally but in terms of standing - at the next election.
"Things are only going to get more heated but like in America we Australians need 2 terms of an ultra right wing fucktard before we completely turn our backs on conservative policies."
A couple of interesting articles referring to the "Karl Rove Method" by that old political observer and shit stirrer extraordinaire Bob Ellis.
Karl Rove was George W. Bush's Senior Advisor and Deputy Chief of Staff , and credited as "the Architect" of Dubya's 2000 and 2004 successful presidential campaigns. He is also an extreme right wing-nutter (and now sometime employee of Murdoch Inc.)
The first article, written pre-last election & pre-Rudd's second go-around, gives us, the Australian voting public, an explanation of what that "method' is, and, most importantly, kudos for not falling for its bullshit. Wishful thinking in hindsight, Bob, you old patriot you.
https://independentaustralia.net/politics/politics-display/the-karl-rove...
The second article again explores and exposes the "Karl Rove method". Surely, we can't be fooled again??
https://independentaustralia.net/politics/politics-display/abbott--co-em...
Yet there is hope!
http://www.alternet.org/news-amp-politics/how-democrats-unlocked-karl-ro...
In the US, it'll be interesting to me how Bernie Sanders goes. Here? Labor needs a kick (or Hopoate) up the proverbial. The Right faction is toxic. Frontbenchers like Fitzgibbon are anathema to any idea of what Labor was and/or could/should be.
The last parliament where Labor was dragged screaming from the right by the Greens towards the centre - even nominally, gasp, left - at least had some vision and positive policy beyond the short-term FOR ALL OF US.
What is the vision of this current mob FOR ALL OF US? What do they stand for? Going by their policy decisions so far, it doesn't look good FOR ALL OF US.
As David Marr intimated the other day, it looks like in their current form, the LNP are full of the anti-mob: anti-science; anti-environment; anti-worker; anti-unemployed; anti-marriage equality; anti-refugee; anti-ABC; anti-public anything...the list goes on and on and on.
Are we, the general voting public, represented by this??
i do not know if you are a raving lunatic like me floyd, but you make sense. Aussies dont like being ripped off, but she'll be right mate is a very strong group consciousness amongst us as well.
I would like all sides of politics to see that economic growth can be best met by new areas of efficiency.
eg, lets grow low thc hemp. lets build solar farms in the deserts/outback. lets pipe wet season water south. lets build regional centres more than have bigger clogged polluting cities. lets have floyd as our prime minister and sheepy as his offsider. lets have me as chief of asio- geez i may be raving now. time for a chamomile tea and some chanting- hare rama.
http://www.theage.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/agriculture-min...
It takes a special type of incompetent minister & government to upset their junior coalition partners (the Nationals) and 3rd and 4th generation farming families and Alan Jones (currently out of the country) .... but Greg Hunt, our apparent environment minister, has done it by approving a Chinese Government owned coal mine right in the middle of some of our best agricultural land.
The Nationals should walk over this .... yet another fight the Abbott wrecking ball has started with grass roots Australians.
"Culture war arrived in Australia as a wedge tactic borrowed from US Republicans."
http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/jul/09/culture-war-two-con...
The best part about the Shenhua coal mine ?
Because it's worth over $150M , the Chinese get to bring in their own labour for construction and production !
Aussies don't even get jobs out of it.
Yay !!!!
Oh well, as Monty Python so succinctly put it .........
" You're born with nothing. You die with nothing. What have you lost ? Nothing !!!!"
" You're born with nothing. You die with nothing. What have you lost ? Nothing !!!!"
Are you Joe Hockey's speech writer Blowin?
economic rationalism is well, not rational. These people are obsessive compulsive in that they truly believe economic growth, even at the expense of the environment, including agricultural land, is the way forward. Unfortunately is is also tied into their realisation that energy, power, electricity is ESSENTIAL to this process.
Hence the real issue is energy and their fear that there will not be enough energy to complete their dreamings, so coal and gas has to be the way. Unfortunately this is a limiting process as it creates pollution and therefore not in synch with nature that does not create pollution.
I do not really like the big wind turbines, I believe they should be put on top of high rise buildings and smaller turbines should be on all roof tops where possible. There is even technology now that creates energy through drainpipes and stormwater. These turbines should also be used in all high buildings being attached to the toilets and plumbing.
Take away a centralised power plant and create each house/suburb/community with their own electricity generating processes. This is the more practicle way to proceed, but they dont want this as the BIG COMPANIES/govts cannot make more profits.
WE are living in an age where profits before people is the dominant paradigm. And profit before the environment is also their thought process.
It is up to us to help change the dominant paradigm. Let us all become activists in our own way. Encourage our children to see the deficiencies in this paradigm and encourage them to think about new creations that work in alignment with nature and the peoples best interests.
We need to change the profit before people and the environment to people using the environment efficiently so that profit equals a win for all aspects of the life cycle.
Abbott's govt has to go, but the replacement has to be informed.
George Wright,
Now is the time for Labor to get australian's support.
Abbott has given you the platform.
Get Bill Shorten and other Minister's to talk and talk about clean energy. Talk about putting wind turbines on all high rise buildings and smaller turbines or lower buildings. Talk abour funding the Clean Energy Corp in discovering new technologies to create clean electricity. Economic growth can be achieved by utilising cleaner energy sources.
Strike now, this is the issue that australians will resonate with.
We dont want pollution. We dont want our agricultural land dug up for coal.
We want our leaders to show some vision, some hope for our future that grows working with nature. C'mon Labor, stand up, be counted. We need you to give us a way forward that makes us proud, proud to be smart enough to now that our future relies on us working together with each other and being efficient with all our resources.
dave the rave said " ........Take away a centralised power plant and create each house/suburb/community with their own electricity generating processes. This is the more practicle way to proceed, but they dont want this as the BIG COMPANIES/govts cannot make more profits. ......."
Hit the nail right on the head there dave yet countries like Germany, Holland and England (known leftie strongholds) are encouraging the decentralisation of power generalisation with government funding!
No-one here should under estimate the power lobby groups like the Mineral Councils of Australia (and their state based subsidiaries) have over government illustrated just this week by Abbott announcing approval for a 35 square km 300 metre deep coal mine in prime farming land in NSW and banning the Clean Energy Finance Corporation from investing in wind and now household solar.
http://www.theage.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/government-pull...
cutting through the crap http://www.themonthly.com.au/issue/2015/july/1435672800/richard-denniss/...
yep
Well regarding Abbott & his current comments on large scale wind farms & the so called winds of change !
Abbott he does NOT listen to the AFL states. Phil Coorey (journo) recently made the comment on ABC - Insiders. Of course every state is different but SA has gone from virtually no renewables in the past decade to 40% a very similar trajectory to Denmark which is committed to full renewable energy generation by 2035, SA may get there 1st....BUT ? ! And for a state which has the highest unemployment it simply makes no sense & given most of this investment for large scale wind farms occurs in regional areas it appears so bloody mindless. I wish this bunch of tossers could explain there policies in a coherent manner.
Cheers Johno.
vote for the rave, speaker of the house, i will claim all my work related expenses to the black stump, i will cut down all the wind turbines, i will sunbake at all the solar panel farms, i will bask in a golden glow with energy coming gloriously out of my bum as the wind of natural gas, Vote 1, dave the rave, better than glen 20, more uplifting than, well uppy, whether it be south, ey, more classier than tony, and more cruiserer than floyd, like a caml with only one hump, vote rave, join the humanity insanity revolution, ride the swell, dont get caught in the net, u just have to laugh don't u, clowns to my left, clowns to my right, here i am, stuck in the middle with......
johno, they don't do that, when was the last time you heard or saw Abbott or any of his senior ministers on any media except for 2GB or likeminded "friendly" media outlets? This Q&A ban has nothing to do with that joker speaking out about IS its just a continuation of their "say nothing, just do dodgy things & wait for the media to find out & then refuse to answer any questions" way of operation. Its a well thought out strategy based on stealth and lies and its only possible because the Murdoch press is in on the game.
Stealth and lies ? You mean like Shorten keeping stealth while he swaps his AWU members penalty rates and conditions for donations to his beloved Union. Of coarse its for the greater cause of seeing a Bill in the the PMs seat.
It really doesn't get much worse than that. Labor looking after the workers .
Hey Floyd, how about Dave the Rave, Sheepy & yourself jump on board as a unity ticket at the next federal election with Nick Xenophon ?
I'm rusted on 'old labor' ! Always pissed off but accept mediocrity sadly like a St Kilda, Richmond supporter, but seriously you guys are different, you could make a difference if your motivation was channeled the right way. Seriously there got to be a younger mindset to run with these priority issue. Like many others I have little hope / respect for the current bunch of baby boomers in Canberra politics blowing the country up ! The sooner we flip a generation the better imho!
Cheers Johno
On 10/2/2014 I started this forum topic after Ford, Toyota & Holden announced they were shutting up shop.
I linked these announcements with Abbott's pre-election promise to create a 1,000,000 jobs in his first term of government but post-election declaration that it was the end of the age of entitlement and businesses should not expect to be propped "with tax payers money" if they were economically unviable.
SPC in Shepparton was destined to be another case study in this new "industry policy" except for the intervention of the then LNP Victorian Government.
Labor, car manufacturing unions and many economists said at the time with the AUD at $1.10 USD the car industry needed government assistance to get over the currency hurdle until the AUD returned to more historical levels.
Well the so-called great savour of the Australian economy (mining boom) is over and in its wake of destruction in manufacturing and tourism industries (the real employers of people in the economy) we now have a AUD at 0.74 USD. An exchange rate at which Australian car manufacturers were viable and making money.
The 200,000 jobs that will soon be lost to the Australian economy in car manufacturing and related and flow on industries will be just one of Abbott's legacies.
We are now 21 months into Abbott's government. I could list probably 30 or 40 things he is against off the top of my head but I struggle to name just one positive policy agenda item his government is wanting to implement. He refuses to open himself or his senior ministers to serious media scrutiny only because we have a complicit Murdoch press.
Where are the Murdoch press headlines about the 200,000 jobs lost with the AUD now back at 0.74 USD?
exactly floyd, and my pay out on bishop spending 90 grand shows that the age of entitlement to politicians is alive and well. what hypocrisy. thats why i say vote independent because the parties with their factions and there obvious abuse of privileges show their lack of respect for the australian public.
they are crooks.
If wind and household solar are now "old" tech according to abott, does this mean they are entitled to the same multi billion dollar rebates as those other "old" energy producers, coal and gas?
tripper feet…you can get Origin Energy to pay for your solar panels. Not a bad deal.
tonybarber wrote:tripper feet…you can get Origin Energy to pay for your solar panels. Not a bad deal.
Yes, I heard that too but its only possible because Origin went to the Clean Energy Finance Corporation (CEFC) with a bulk household solar panels installation deal.
Such deals like Origin's will not be possible in the future if Abbott's direction to the CEFC of not investing in wind or solar is accepted by the CEFC's board. I understand the CEFC has sought legal advice on Abbott's directive because the CEFC, like the ABC, are meant to be free from government interference.
Solar panels are extremely popular with the public because they reduce people's power bills .... an issue supposedly close to Abbott's heart as he fought an election on the lie** / scare campaign of carbon pricing increasing electricity prices.
Circles within circles, its all politics with Abbott, whatever is good for the country comes last.
** there was some increase attributed to carbon pricing but most families were compensated for that. The real reason why electricity prices increased as they did was because of the gold plating power companies built into the poles and wires to cope for the extreme hot days we rarely get.
Firstly, thankyou all for your kind words a few weeks back...... Good blokes ... :).......
Secondly, Chopper Read may be gone, but Chopper bishop fills the void....
Good to see you back sheepy; how was the Abbott's Boader Protection Force when you went through customs when coming onto the mainland? Treat you nice, I guess that depends on whether you flew in or on the Spirit!
It was fine floyd.... The spirit.... Got my .280 semi auto remington, my 9mill beretta and 10kgs of tassie hydro across no worries...... Just jokes...... :p
guys, does venus appear a lot brighter and bigger tonight to u too???? thurs 7.11 pm.
too cold to go outside dave but I'm waiting for the moon to be in the 7th house and jupiter to align with mars.
im waiting for the abbott govt to be voted out, they have lost the plot, they dont seem to understand what the australian people want and need. On the whole I think all australian politicians need to be brought back a peg or two. Superannuation one example. Sure give people an incentive to represent their electorates, but currently, it is one big rort at the expense of the citizens. maybe we should start a fb page on this issue asking for a community commission to revamp pollies entitlements. good idea?
davetherave quoted "Exactly floyd, and my pay out on bishop spending 90 grand shows that the age of entitlement to politicians is alive and well. what hypocrisy. thats why i say vote independent because the parties with their factions and there obvious abuse of privileges show their lack of respect for the australian public. they are crooks".
Agree refer the attached link
http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/bronwyn-bishop-job...
Now correct me if I interpret this article wrongly but we the TAX PAYERS are paying Bronwyn Bishop the tune of $90k for a two-week European trip partly aimed at securing her a plum new job, that of Presidency of the 'Inter-Parliamentary Union' a democracy group based in Geneva.
Question - Why are we TAX PAYERS paying for this ? How could some Geneva based group be relevant to her job as 'Speaker of the House' ?
Cheers Johno
PS - We need a better mousetrap !
These paper pushing bubbly sipping wankstains on both sides are lifting the retirement age to 70...... I'd like to know the % of politicians who continue to work after the age of 65...... And these parasites don't put their bodies through hell like concreters, fishermen, bricklayers etc....
No-one got anything to say about the loss of the car industry under a government and high viz Tony that promised to create 1,000,000 jobs?
Slumber away ........