What's what?
BB confusing refugees with immigrants.
The vast majority of immigrants to Australia are from China , India , Nepal , Malaysia , UK and the Philippines .
We owe these countries nothing.
China - 1600000000 people ( 20 percent of the world’s population) has recently consciously chosen to exand it’s population.
Why would we be required to soak up excess people when they’ve chosen to breed more ?
If “ cosmopolitans ( wankers ) want to live in a country which is open boarders then they can move to one. Don’t fuck our country with your deluded pipe dream.
Unless there is some very recent data, the percentage of casual workers has not changed much in the last 20 years though there has been an increase amongst men and a decrease amongst women. The real issue is under-employment. I saw that data vj and was a bit suspicious. I will have another look.
Yes Blowhard, that's who we take. We ignore literally millions of refugees living in desperate circumstances across Europe and the Middle East who we displaced by invading Iraq, allowing the formation of ISIS by appalling management following that invasion which then destabilised Syria. To go back to terrorism for a moment, the death toll from all Islamic terrorism since 9/11 would amount to around 1/1000th of the death toll caused by the invasion of Iraq. And that does not include combatants. And some people still think Islam is the problem!
And "our country" the we being only those who agree with you? Fuck off you fascist.
If you’re so cosmopolitan, BB , and you think think that it’s no issue to flood and overwhelm Australia’s population with immigrants and foreign cultures.....then why do you insist that the Irish can’t just move into the future and forget ther silly sectarian war ?
Why do you grant them the indulgence to foster centuries old grievances when they should just be embracing one another?
We are all one people remember?
You are so dismissive of nationalism, yet you cry rivers over the troubles.
The vast majority would love to, but there are violent idiots in every community.
Guy Smiley is right in that 'Planepeople' have soared 3x under Libs.
272,000 yr 'illegals' as to Scomo's fairytale 160,000 yr 1st Class.
Rebrand Boat People TPV to BVE & BVF & now his hands are clean!
90 day handshake with Barnaby & yer an extra year to the good as an Aussie.
All can see that the Nats are running immigration policy.
Bosses / Farmer usually pays work cover (Reclaims Health as training costs)
Once Parent is Working then their Kidz Education & health is obliged by law.
Wages & Hours are below award as The Boss bosses Health & Kid not Govt!
States are picking up tabs in Health translation & Non English Lessons...
Govt BV's have tripassed gonski while halving states Education / Health budgets.
So alarming is Scomos 'Plane People Invasion' even Abbott wants it stopped...Yep!
Just one summer of Scomo's Planepeople outnumbers all Oz boatpeople arrivals.
Poor Illegal kid hanging off Biplane wing in Oz air space,he's now in Dutto's sights!
[STOP THE PLANES] There...I said it!...Knock Knock # KRASH #
I suggest anyone arguing against the basic tenet of Blowin's 2.02 comment fly over to Auckland, right now between 70-80% of all people walking the streets of the central business and shopping district are from those countries. Whatever is happening there it's not balanced, they aren't tourists.
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vj macrobullshit are unreliable. If you drill down into the issue you will usually find things are much more nuanced than their journalism suggest. The reality is that suggesting the economic changes were caused by BREXIT would require much more information than is currently available. At the very least you would need to wait until it has actually happened. Consider this from one of the links they provide.
"It has been suggested high employment levels are forcing organisations to pay more to recruit and retain staff.
But some experts also believe firms are hiring more staff as a response to continued Brexit uncertainty, rather than in spite of it.
" In some industries, hiring cheap labour is seen as a less risky and costly option than spending on long-term investment in equipment, technology or other plans to improve productivity or expand production in the future.
As Reuters notes, “the surge in jobs could reflect nervousness among businesses who have cut investment, making them more likely to hire workers who can be sacked in the event of a downturn in the economy.”
Should have added it very hard to find a shop or hotel not fully staffed by people from those countries
you really arent too bright are you gs.. there seems no point in explaining things to an idiot but try reading what you said again, i make no mention of saudi arabia
MB have the ability to put the numbers behind the lived experience of young Australian-born (particularly in cities), rather than castigate them in a tirade of political correctness for any concerns they have. There lies the attraction, and any party following this line will have a goldmine of votes. I'll make one election prediction: this one will see a historically large amount of "anything but LibLabGrn", and informal votes. We'll see how this prediction pans out. We're not at our 'Trump/Brexit/Bolsonaro/Duterte/Kurz/Salvini/Orban' moment until after 6+ years of Labor to come.
"rather than castigate them in a tirade of political correctness for any concerns they have"
Blindboy, that was the point of posting that link to the interview about cosmopolitanism - people should not feel shame in doing anything as reasonable as looking after their own backyard first. And as you also pointed out, this does not in any way mean that at the same time we can't have concerns for others and continue to think and act globally.
And Guy Smiley is right, Auckland is a real eye opener.
Of course anecdotes rarely tell the full story.
Are you pointing out the fact that 25% of Auckland residents are from an Asian background?
Or this?
"The proportion of Asians and other non-European immigrants has increased during the last decades due to immigration,[6] and the removal of restrictions directly or indirectly based on ethnicity. Immigration to New Zealand is heavily concentrated towards Auckland (partly for job market reasons). This strong focus on Auckland has led the immigration services to award extra points towards immigration visa requirements for people intending to move to other parts of New Zealand.
In any case, it doesn't change what GS and I can clearly see walking around the Auckland CBD where the % is way higher than a quarter.
"If “ cosmopolitans ( wankers ) want to live in a country which is open boarders then they can move to one."
FFS Blowin, listen to the interview - it says the exact opposite of what you've said above and pretty much totally supports your point of view.
Old mate Anthony Appiah says "I can't help everyone in the world...Most of our ways of helping other people are local. The best ways of making sure other people are covered...is to make sure there are lots and lots of different nations...all focusing their attention on local things."
Love it when AndyM feels ignored.
Don't worry, I'll listen to it shortly.
I'll dry my tears now.
13.75% by my calculation Andy.
2013 Census 23.1%?
Correct I was looking at older data. Apologies.
I’ll get to it Andy. I had a look and no transcript meant I flagged it ...for now.
Listening takes too long.
Yeah it's a bit of a commitment.
But he's a well respected guy making a lot of real-world sense.
Given the topic I wasn't expecting it.
Well this is all a bit sad and pathetic...
"...Hello! “Supported by our opposition ...”. When and how did federal Labor commit its support? Where was the rigorous Labor public or, indeed, behind closed doors, scrutiny of this proposal to spend so much money on an institution that has, because it is Anzac’s shrine of worship, been quarantined from so many of the budget imposts that have clipped other national cultural institutions including the national library, archives, museum, gallery and portrait gallery, and the Museum of Australian Democracy?"
Yep
"...As Nelson himself said of the potential cost in that cruisy interview: “Whatever the cost is, as one man said to me, ‘We’ve already paid. We’ve paid in blood, and whatever the government spends on the Australian War Memorial ... will never be enough’.”"
pffffttt, haven't we totally overdone the anzac thing already? Like really really overdone it to the point of it being nauseating and outright glorifying?
".. What emotive rubbish. Tell that to today’s medically discharged veterans, some of whom are fighting protracted legal battles for compensation for their service-related injuries. Tell that to the veterans of all our wars who might think that the story of Anzac has already (thanks to a $600 million Australian spend on commemorating the first world war) artificially been inflated to eclipse the other stories that were more formative to Australian nationhood."
Yep yep yep, sort out the veterans first. For the poor vietnam dudes, its just a never ending fuck over...
Gulf dudes are probably being done over too.
"...Right now, in the midst of an election campaign where the major parties are playing an unedifying game of deficit chicken, the Labor Party ought to show some spine and withdraw, or qualify, its support for blowing $500 million on an unnecessary expansion of the war memorial.
Process demands it."
Fuck yeh!
Both sides are being fucked up about this, especially with the budger in such a mess, but labor really don't need to be so pathetic and follow a really dumb lead from fucking scomo, the aussie trashdag capitaliser!
They'll be supporting the bounty 'reconciliation' re-enactment next...
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/apr/22/both-major-parties...
Indonesia/Jakarta trialing electric buses https://www.thejakartapost.com/news/2019/04/24/electric-buses-to-go-on-p...
Good thinking factotum...WA trial was soon partnered by NT intellibus...
2016 (Intro) NT Paddless Wavepool Mini Bus drops you back in the line-up.
http://www.tourismnt.com.au/en/news-and-media/latest-news/driverless-bus...
2017 (NT Route-Timetable for Driverless Passenger Bus)
https://events.ticketbooth.com.au/event/DriverlessDarwinWaterfront
2017 (The Ride)
https://www.news.com.au/video/id-5348771529001-5422758333001/easy-mile-d...
Ghost Train (Mining Trial)
Ghost Mining Train derailed (News)
https://www.perthnow.com.au/business/mining/derailed-bhp-train-a-reminde...
(The carnage)
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/video/2018/nov/07/footage-sho...
Tassie Ghost Freight Train > Devonport derailment 2 injured.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-09-21/train-derails-in-devonport/10289726
Ghost Train (Sydney Metro)
(Promo)
https://www.news.com.au/technology/innovation/driverless-trains-are-comi...
(Driverless Pollie Rail Passengers Promo)
https://www.smh.com.au/national/nsw/driverless-metro-trains-offer-glimps...
(Showpony Trial )
https://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/nsw/australias-first-driverless-m...
I've never really liked 'first dog on the moon', I just think it's really never that funny. Too many words and not enough humour for a 'comic' for my liking.
I suspect that's because they're too busy making political points, and not busy enough beimg funny. Which is exactly the case with this one. But it's a good political point they're making. And that point is, that bland bill, that still bill, that I'll just hide over here while the LNP self destructs bill, has gone too far with his small target centist canpaaign.
I'm thinking if even the guardian thinks you've gone too far with your small target centrist campaign....well, you've probably gone way too far with your small target centrist canpaign....
Your polystiyrene boat may be boarding very soon mr, shorten...
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/apr/24/heres-what-happens...
I wager that this may be news on here re: yesterday.
The why? is an interesting conundrum. Maybe even a national conversation starter. I dunno. Didn't happen in 2015.
https://labourhistorymelbourne.org/2016/09/03/dont-mention-the-war-at-home/
"Not once, but twice, the Australian people showed their ruling class that they could not be counted upon to toe the establishment line, even in wartime. What’s not to like about that? It calls for celebration as well as commemoration."
And there's more!
https://theconversation.com/only-the-conscription-referendums-made-austr...
@Syppo - "I would kill for a latte right now" actually gave me a chuckle.
"Our political system rewards and punishes personalities in a ridiculous and pointless manner, it is a deliberate distraction from the corporate takeover of democracy by the ruling class. We need to focus on structural change instead of the press gallery version of politics as soap opera."
If only we could.
Facto, I'll tell you what sent a shiver down my spine as I was hovering around the local cenotaph yesterday - a high school kid up on stage saying that he can't wait to join the Australian armed forces so that he can "serve his country".
Seems like the innocence of youth will always see it as a chance to embark on a boys own adventure.
The old Lie: Dulce et decorum est
Pro patria mori.
https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poems/46560/dulce-et-decorum-est
Mother in law’s father lied about his age to get in WW1. Got gassed 3 times .
Then he went to WW2 and got half his foot blown off.
Hard as nails.
Three out of four of my fathers uncles (all brothers) died in WWI, one at Gallipoli, one at Fromelles and the other at Toobruk. My Dads a vet as is my bro.
War is fucked.
I love that poem btw, I've read it a few times and it really speaks to me. Sadly, not in a good way.
One person's hard as nails is another's dumb as a bag of hammers.
Sad but true.
That's a bit nasty.
Did you know the bloke?
My father was in a prisoner of war camp in the Phillipines ........ which is why we ended up living in Australia. When he was freed there was no hope of transport back to Glasgow so they were sent to Sydney. He loved it and swore he would get back. It took him until 1960, but here we are!
A view from the NZ in ANZAC.
https://thedailyblog.co.nz/2019/04/25/anzac-day-2019-searching-for-the-m...
Bali Peace Park.
https://www.architectureanddesign.com.au/news/industry-news/bali-peace-p...
http://www.balipeacepark.com.au/bali-peace-park-design.html
Sari Club Bombing site was or is valued around $1-2m. (Basic car yard size)
A loose consortium of BPP / Oz Govt offered to match any reasonable price.
Sadly no official offer was ever made by any 'Oz + Govt + Bali Consortium'.
Nightclub Landowner always upped the price for purchase by Australians.
Entry level $4.8m > $7.2m > $26m even offering a 1/2 price $10m same day deal?
As it stands now...about $5m to lease top floor of his new Night Club?..(Rude!)
Understand owner would be pressured not to stain town with icon of guilt.
He basically needs enough to start a new life elsewhere...Damned either way!
Bali Govt could have compensated owner then gift land to Oz via land swap.
Thus absolving any guilt trip on Night Club owner or shame on Indonesia.
Again! Oz never batted for victims with decent diplomatic options for Peace Park.
Oz election bombsite Auction sees Labor vs Liberal bid $50m for a Peace cubicle.
[Latest News]
https://www.smh.com.au/world/asia/scott-morrison-slams-deeply-distressin...
Facto - If Australia had been populated by weak bastards like yourself the Japanese would have killed every Aussie male then raped and enslaved every woman.
You should be unquestionably grateful.
Calling a person who’d return to war to defend his country stupid....what the fuck is wrong with you ?
And this is after you’ve tried to impress the horrors of war on us with more internet links. The bloke KNEW what he was going into first hand , not by reading some poem from the comfort of his safe home , and he still went back to protect the rest of his people.
Think on that dickhead.
Blowin do you think you could possibly tone it down? Yes I have responded in kind at times but virtually everything you post now is aggressive and insulting. It just discourages people from posting. Kind of like shouting at someone. No-one wants to cop the stuff you dish out for daring to disagree with you so the discussion becomes less and less interesting. You say you do yoga, maybe meditate for a while before you post, then type it up in Pages, leave it for an hour and then see if you still feel so angry. Anger is really bad for your health and the health of those around you.
Following him around and baiting him doesn't help BB.
"Smug self-righteous prats with no real interest beyond self-interest. See ya boys, 'cos that's what you are, a bunch of overgrown fucking adolescents."
Remember that hypocrisy and lack of self-awareness I keep talking about BB? ;)
"No-one wants to cop the stuff you dish out for daring to disagree with you"
Hahahaha!
True zen but if you look back, with a couple of exceptions, I don't engage with him much anymore. If "baiting" includes disagreeing with him then what's the point? I mean lots of people, including me, have tried respectfully disagreeing but they still cop the abuse.
Facto describes my partner’s grandfather as dumb as a bag of hammers for volunteering to try and stop the Japanese from invading Australia despite previously enduring immense suffering during the First World War , i call him out on it and you have a go at me ......go fuck yourself BB.
More abuse! How many times now have told me to go fuck myself? I think it is three times this week so probably into the hundreds by now.
And you’ve probably deserved it twice that amount.
Maybe it’s time to take a look in the mirror.
If you can’t understand why I’d respond to Facto the way I did then you’re a lost cause. Sticking your head in to have a go at me was ridiculous. I’m not angry , I just don’t tolerate dickheads well.
Blowin writes - "Facto - If Australia had been populated by weak bastards like yourself the Japanese would have killed every Aussie male then raped and enslaved every woman."
STRAYAAAAAA EEEEWWWWWW....
Moron.
Yes , Sheepy.
It was Australia that many , many people died defending and many more were physically and emotionally broken doing the same.
But tell me again about the history of the war that you’ve learnt from the Internet 70 years after the event. Tell the fella who had his body and mind ruined by the Japanese how they weren’t a threat. Tell him how all those days spent fighting the Japs in the jungle were all a lark and he doesn’t understand history.
Whine about your sun damaged lips you got from surfing all day whilst belittling the efforts of those who lay screaming in foreign countries with their limbs blown off defending your country.
Tell them the fear they stared down was meaningless.
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