Climate Change


I'm not a fan of that Copenhagen development. And it's just one of many ott developments that have no relationship to the Danish architectural tradition and vernacular.
Don't mean to piss on anyone's parade, but I grew up in CPH and it was a beautiful city. Now it's full of wanky monstrosities.


What?!! Wonderful wonderful Copenhagen, friendly old girl of a town.


I can hear Danny Kaye warbling away through the mists of time :-)
Cheers, Zen.


It does have an element of UAE cringe doesn’t it. I wouldn’t want it over the road from my palace. Got to look at it how a women sees a short, fat, bald wealthy man though. Not pretty but functional and will get you where you need to be. There’s a genuine attractiveness in that, and I’ve had this explained to me directly from a women who liked the aforementioned men


Managed retreat.
Robe obelisk replica recommended as Limestone Coast faces erosion battle - ABC News https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-12-09/robe-obelisk-replica-recommended-...


blackers wrote:Managed retreat.
Robe obelisk replica recommended as Limestone Coast faces erosion battle - ABC News https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-12-09/robe-obelisk-replica-recommended-...
Let if fall. It's closed anyway, you can't walk to it. They fenced it off with the ugliest looking wire so the whole setup is quite depressing.


flollo wrote:blackers wrote:Managed retreat.
Robe obelisk replica recommended as Limestone Coast faces erosion battle - ABC News https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-12-09/robe-obelisk-replica-recommended-...Let if fall. It's closed anyway, you can't walk to it. They fenced it off with the ugliest looking wire so the whole setup is quite depressing.
Can't disagree with you there, it's a fairly underwhelming monument, but has its moments in the late afternoon sun. Let the sea take it back.




BP to scrap renewable generation target
"Too far, too fast:” bp details renewables backtrack, puts Australian green hydrogen mega-projects on ice"
Global oil and gas major bp has set out its strategy for a fundamental reset, including slashing its spend on “low carbon energy” from a planned $US30 billion out to 2030, to around $4 billion, and redirecting investment to fossil fuels, which it says are its “highest return opportunities.”
The major scale-back on renewables will mean no new investments in “transition” projects over the coming three years, an exit from onshore wind, and a major hydrogen and carbon capture and storage (CCS) cull from around 30 projects to between just five and seven “prioritised projects” – none of which appear to be in Australia."
https://reneweconomy.com.au/too-far-too-fast-bp-details-renewables-backt...
This is kind of surprising, but also not surprising at the same time.
I dont think the political and media narrative on all this fit's reality.
I think its going to take a lot longer than people say/think to go carbon free, especially in Australia a country that won't have the advantage of large amounts of Hydro energy or any Nuclear to support wind and solar.
It's also why Adani went through in QLD because that demand for coal elsewhere is still going to be there for sometime.
There's no magic switch you just switch, it's going to take a lot of time to transition fully, and what makes things harder is just the every growing increase in demand for energy not just in Australia but globally especially in developing countries with fast growing middle classes.




AlfredWallace wrote:indo-dreaming wrote:Distracted wrote:indo-dreaming wrote:I was surprised to learn the other day that UK are currently building a new Nuclear power station
(from Dec)
"Reactor installed at UK's newest nuclear power stationWorkers have fitted a reactor into the first nuclear power station to be built in Britain for 30 years."
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cvg725xpxleoAnd look to be be building more
Although it is now at twice the estimated cost and several years behind schedule.
https://www.thechemicalengineer.com/news/hinkley-point-welcomes-uk-s-fir...Yeah thats the problem cost, but its still interesting that UK are building some nuclear as are other countries .
I think its much more realistic that we will just have to go with more gas peaking plants to support renewable's to provide that energy safety net.
"Energy tsar: Australia needs 26 gas power plants
Monday 1 July 2024
Both the AEMO and MB keep saying it: gas is the only way to stabilise and decarbonise the grid so that we don’t bankrupt ourselves trying to meet meet Paris Agreement targets.The east coast of Australia will need 13 gigawatts of new gas fired electricity generation – the equivalent of building 26 new gas plants – within the next 25 years to back up the rollout of renewables."
https://www.macrobusiness.com.au/2024/07/energy-tsar-australia-needs-26-...While If you wanted to do what AW wants and not have that safety net of gas, you would need a crazy amount of batteries in reserve that you wouldn't need or use 95% of the time, the cost would be insane.
I heard the other day 3 months worth of storage would be needed without a fuel based energy security net.
So if true, if we end up with 48 hours of storage across Australia by 2050 for the energy security safety net needed in storage we would need roughly another 2,112 hours of energy storage (90 days x24hr = 2,160 minus 48hrs of storage = 2,112hrs extra needed)
There is probably a good argument that green hydrogen can replace gas (at least in time), but there must be a good reason for now why it currently isn't in the equation?
That said they also say gas peaking plants can be converted to run on green hydrogen, so if the green hydrogen thing becomes more realistic than all those gas peaking plants are not a waste
IndoDreaming. Hi mate and others.
No gas or nuclear for me as you already know.
Victoria currently derives 38% of its power from renewables, this has occurred at quite a rapid rate.
Soon it will near 50% and by 2030 100%.If it’s doable for our state. Why not others ?
The only thing holding back progress is the historical mindset of the provision of fossil fuel , we just can’t seem to let it go.
Before we had gas and electricity derived from fossil fuels, we burnt wood and coke.
We were capable of moving away from those two polluters at some stage so there’s no reason why we can’t move away from gas and coal fired power stations.Society has to want to change, I think they do , just need a little kick up the arse.
It doesn’t matter what energy amounts are required to run Australia, just build very large systems to manufacture the energy, it’ll still be way cheaper than nuclear reactors.
I will never change my view whilst we reside in a society that’s capable of building anything, just do it and showcase to the world how it’s done. I’m choking on all this talk of gas . AW
This is a more relevant thread.
Sorry but you are dreaming if you think we are going to anywhere near 100% by 2030 even experts say we will still be using gas peaking plants by at least 2050
During the day with some sun and wind yes, but this is the reality during the night.
Building up wind and solar is the easy and cheapest part, but building up storage is the hard bit and its where the real cost comes into things and the return on investment is not there because you are storing something not producing it (storing something already produced)
And then as pointed out building up enough storage to provide that energy security safety net needed is a bigger mission that maybe will never happen or not for a very very long time
This is current reality outside of daylight hours and remember between 4p to 9pm is peak energy demand times, which will only get worse as people come and plug their EV's in to recharge.
Just before sun comes up low energy need time..
BTW As you can see Tasmania is playing a totally different game, they dont need much storage at all as have that Hydro as energy security, they could be 100% carbon free vey easily they only have that tiny bit of gas holding them back.
And the irony is if the green lobby had their way in the 70s -80s they would not be in this great position they are now.
And look at Victoria, we are the worst not the best look at that brown coal
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