Australia - you're standing in it
Condolences mate.
Heavy.....
Thanks @a-mac.
Another good reminder to check in on your mates whenever you can. You don’t always know what they’re going through.
I just read the Finals Day wrap up. After I wrote that comment above.
Steve’s comment about Tyler and her experiences hit me right in the guts. So real.
Check in on your mates.
velocityjohnno wrote:Haven't had time to catch up with thread (Pipe) but I'll drop this here
All the answers are contained within
VJ, I get the strategic points. But don’t you think there is a risk that that the sub tech can become outdated?
Ukraine has made a mess of the Russian Black Sea fleet with drones despite limited air cover. Underwater drone technology will also advance and in a few years it may not be too difficult to take out nuke subs after AUS has put all its eggs in the one nuclear basket?
Distracted, good questions. I don’t have the answers, but a couple of points:
Drone technology is being planned to augment crewed ships / subs, as well as to attack them. From what I understand it might look like a screen of protective underwater drones around the mothership. Also used to scout ahead, or undertake shallow water tasks. There will be a cycle of action and counter action in the development which will favour either side of the equation at different points along the journey.
The second point is that China isn’t seeing the trend toward subs being obsolete. They’re building plenty, and their future is nuclear to gradually replace their existing fleet of 65 subs. 65. For a country that has a smaller coastline than NZ.
The third point is a little more abstract. If this was such a strategic blunder by Australia, a deep investment in technology that will be superseded, a decision that detracts from Australia’s defence, why is the PRC going so hard against it in almost every forum it can? Through lawfare (IAEA, NPT, etc), lobbying Pacific nations to oppose, invoking various arms treaty obligations, and a heavy investment in shaping the public debate here in Australia. If it’s such a mistake, and they anticipate that they’ll be able to counter it, why do all of this? It’s certainly not because they respect all of these international institutions. Not because they respect arms control - the PRC is not, and will not, signed up to any nuclear arms control mechanisms like the USA and USSR (now Russia) did.
There’s an old maxim, ascribed to Napoleon from memory, that if you see your adversary making a mistake you shouldn’t interrupt them. So, it makes me wonder why China cares so much.
Can see Murdoch and co are trying to turn the temperature down on racial divisiveness....
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2025/feb/14/news-corp-team-co...
a view from a 'liberal progressive'
a millenial or Z-er (?) raised on a steady diet of contemporary ip
an 'anti-fascist'
a guy that bugs me, but seems pretty balanced...
makes some good points
https://drewpavlou.substack.com/p/its-a-chernobyl-event-for-australian
sypkan wrote:a view from a 'liberal progressive'
a millenial or Z-er (?) raised on a steady diet of contemporary ip
an 'anti-fascist'
a guy that bugs me, but seems pretty balanced...
makes some good points
https://drewpavlou.substack.com/p/its-a-chernobyl-event-for-australian
If it was just one guy or girl you could say, it was just one bad apple.
But two bad apples, same place, same time with same thought's, and not even a hint of apprehension from either, or a suggesting to the other that hey maybe this isn't a good idea, we are at work our faces exposed any screen can be recording us..
What's the chances there is a lot more bad apples like this in the healthcare system?
And in other news today..
"Dozens injured as car rams into crowd in Munich — how it unfolded"
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2025-02-14/dozens-injured-car-rams-crowd-mun...
Multiculturalism hasn't failed take Chinese and Indians by far out biggest migrant group after UK, but barely make a bad news story.
I would argue
that multiculturalism can be just as flawed
as integration, either can be handled incompetently.
nice people have always practiced a calm pluralism,
and not been scared of things, been confident in themselves,
and interested in others and understanding of difference.
the good news is,
we catch racist cunts now.
we know who the anti-woke fucktards are,
and we can see the hysterical progressive-for-its-own-sakers,
for the unimpressive busy-bodies they are.
we see them all.
Geez basesix
You’ve the patience of a saint
^ just a quote from Tom Tilley's Speaking in Tongues.. cheers, mate : )
;)
Aussie, Aussie, Aussie....as weak as pisseridoo.
Oi?
https://www.facebook.com/share/v/163Y18CH6M/
Have a go at this pond scum scum of a bloke would ya?
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2025-02-24/bruce-lehrmann-in-hobart-court-ca...
Yes Hiccups
Had a chuckle about that today. How the hell does he afford another lawyer? Who the hell would take him on?
seeds wrote:Yes Hiccups
Had a chuckle about that today. How the hell does he afford another lawyer? Who the hell would take him on?
He must have the dirt on a few LNP members , probably videos of the prayer room practices , nothing would surprise me . His court cases seem to get dragged out , I think a special hearing on a judge only trial application is set down for late March in his next rape trial . https://www.abc.net.au/news/2025-01-23/bruce-lehrmann-judge-only-trial/1...
You might be right. Can’t understand why a pleb like this dirt bag can hire representation. Where the $$$ come from? Nepo baby?
Heard about this statistic yesterday. A few years ago 2 coppers working out of Dandenong Police Station told me that 60% of their work every day of the year involved intervening in DV incidents. Can you imagine getting ready to go to work every morning knowing the absolute dregs of society you had to deal with? This problem wouldn't be only in Vicco but AU wide
https://www.police.vic.gov.au/police-make-record-family-violence-arrests
and these absolute dregs of society might be your work colleague, your local GP, you mate the legend who's such a good surfer etc the list goes on
And he could our PM....
https://www.betootaadvocate.com/uncategorized/honest-cop-coincidentally-...
GuySmiley wrote:Heard about this statistic yesterday. A few years ago 2 coppers working out of Dandenong Police Station told me that 60% of their work every day of the year involved intervening in DV incidents. Can you imagine getting ready to go to work every morning knowing the absolute dregs of society you had to deal with? This problem wouldn't be only in Vicco but AU wide
https://www.police.vic.gov.au/police-make-record-family-violence-arrests
If you want a short and unsatisfying career work in one of these areas:
1) Police Force
2) Legal Aid
3) Child Protection Services
4) Real Estate Rentals
I have friends and family that work in all four and some of the stories I hear about are beyond comprehension.
The human race is evolving so they say!!!
seeds wrote:You might be right. Can’t understand why a pleb like this dirt bag can hire representation. Where the $$$ come from? Nepo baby?
Brucey’s lawyers were working for no win no pay . Ordered to pay 2 million by the courts. Getting blood from a stone is a bit of a problem . https://www.abc.net.au/news/2025-02-25/network-ten-lisa-wilkinson-court-... https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-05-08/bruce-lehrmann-no-fee-defamation-...
Well bugger me. One would think these legal types would have a bit more smarts when deciding to defend that arsehole.
So channel 7 paid his rent and now 10 are paying his legal fees.
I’m keen to see the outcome of his Toowoomba proceedings.
Na reckon he just got lucky...
Smart business man ol Spud.
https://www.betootaadvocate.com/headlines/so-heres-margot-robbie-in-a-bu...
He should stick to his insider 'alleged' trading.
Watching ABC Court Case News...swear tbb was watching a Downtown Fashion Parade...
Like what is this shit...seeing 10 No! More like 20 Streetside Catwalks by Antoinette Lattouf.
There is a reason for that tbb...please don't say it....well durr...Chix TV
Exactly why they're draggin' out the Court Case...
Free Fashion Shows..."High Chic Designer Fashions & Accessories worth $1,000's in first week alone!"
All the Newspapers are running matching Court Fashion Catalogues with TV Parades.
*Monday Lattouf models Burgundy Crepe Pantsuit with $3,150 Louis Vuitton Handbag.
*Tuesday Lattouf models $580 { Lillian Kallouf } White Satin Classic Huda Shirt / Long Black Skirt
With $560 Black Tom Ford Sunglasses + $2,425 Jimmy Choo Cocktail Handbag
*Wednesday Lattouf in White Pantsuit/Bustier Top complete with Death Threats {Watch yer Back}
Chanel-Inspired Rebecca Vallance "Margo" Blazer which retails for $449
*Thursday Lattouf wore a Navy Blue Double-breasted pin striped jacket with matching long skirt...
Carrying an Oroton Satchel.
*Friday Lattouf models another {Lillian Khallouf} outfit donning a $1,200 white "Elle" Dress in Natural.
Which can Double as a mini Wedding Gown.
Pairing the Dress with Dune London White Pumps + that shit hot Jimmy Choo Cocktail Clutch
Jimmy Choo Clutch is $1,000 Cheaper than the French Version...snag yer Missus one, or be in the dog house!
https://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/world/dressed-to-win-antoinette-lattouf-s...
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14379437/Antoinette-Lattouf-ABC...
Read the Sky News Pricing Catalogue > These are some shit hot buys she's modelling...scoop 'em up!
https://www.skynews.com.au/lifestyle/celebrity-life/antoinette-lattouf-c...
Let there be no doubt this is an ongoing multi media Fashion Parade..AD.
Each ensemble is highlighted from every angle with Star of the Show Model.
Pretty sure these Barristers are Arm Candy with Big White Bows in Black Drapes
Exactly wot tbb saw...an ABC Fashion Show...for high end chix...to replay & Shop.
The Whole Court Showdown is just a farce to sell High End Chix Gear...nothing is sacred...a sell out!
good article, I like hearing Rex Patrick's views in these matters @andy, cheers.
(haha, that's intense @tbb, classic!)
basesix wrote:good article, I like hearing Rex Patrick's views in these matters @andy, cheers.
(haha, that's intense @tbb, classic!)
The attached chart is quite telling.
the episode of Yes, Prime Minister where Hacker wants to cancel trident nukes, spend the money on conventional army and reintroduce national service, ticking several politically popular boxes must be getting a run on socials.. (2 of 2)
That's actually a pretty good list of extra stuff by Rex there.
I'd add it to the AUKUS subs, so an extra 167Bn, and then develop an independent nuclear deterrent. This would ensure that Australia remains a sovereign country into 2100.
Edit: to put in context the cost, 188Bn was provided in RBA's term funding facility to juice, err, to support housing in the pandemic.
Trump must be pissing himself.
Free money from the Australians...
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/mar/07/surface-tension-could-the-...
It was going to be 3 Virginias and the rest the UK SSN-A, given the way the UK is spooling up reactor building, those still are in play. For the US component, we've seen the USS Minnesota arrive recently so the basing component seems to be happening, a little early even.
Never say never with what Trump rescinds, but we've been the ones to actually pay full $ to him, everyone else skives off paying.
Scomo really fixed us up with a hospital pass defence wise.
Glad he got a good gig out of it.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2025/mar/11/aukus-ssn-submarin...
Scomo really fixed us up with a hospital pass defence wise.
Glad he got a good gig out of it.
Edit: Albo's baby now and he should have sent it back to the USA on his election win.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2025/mar/11/aukus-ssn-submarin...
andy-mac wrote:Scomo really fixed us up with a hospital pass defence wise.
Glad he got a good gig out of it.Edit: Albo's baby now and he should have sent it back to the USA on his election win.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2025/mar/11/aukus-ssn-submarin...
I generally find the AUKUS bashing from certain quarters tiresome and naive to be honest
but I totally agree with this
the game has / is changing so quickly, as evidenced by europe's actions
whilst I take the view AUKUS is about much more than the simplistic numbers pipedream the naysayers like to portray it as...
the sense of urgency and every man for themselves (nation) is indisputably ramping up
but, having said that, I don't see the UK wigging out about AUKUS like many australian comnentators are (hello malcolm). surely there are some high level reassuring talks going on?
maybe not
it does appear albo and friends previous big talk doesnt come without consequences...
and, re. the game changing quickly... I see trudeau's replacement is now ditching climate goals for security goals...
when will albo wake (toughen) up?
don't have to ditch everything, just wake the fuck up and actually acknowledge what the hell is happening...
ie. the cluelessness of both parties has left us in a ridiculously vulnerable position
A much more likely scenario for these subs was explained on the radio the other day …. the Yanks never had any intention of handing over their subs and all their technological secrets to us to control under our flag, never in a thousand years would they do that, no no their game was create the environment here in Australia where we would allow US nuclear subs with all their attack nuclear weapons and capabilities to be permanently stationed here at American owned and controlled bases under the direct command of a US president/government. Think about just how much of a target that makes Australia and how we have given away our sovereignty for peanuts! …and then came along Trump blowing up the old order, keep it up Donny just maybe we will grow a pair and pull out of this stupid sub deal ourselves!!
I'll actually take the above thanks
hyperbole aside, it's basically the deal we have now...
except with some real weapons that might actually keep china in check
because gawwwd knows albo ain't gonna do it...
sad that it's come to this, but it's a sad reality
you blame who and whatever you want... but at the end of the day, oz is a sitting duck without some real deterrent in the current climate...
Some thoughts on whether we’ll ever get US subs under AUKUS arrangements, or UK-built AUKUS subs.
https://warontherocks.com/2025/03/when-it-comes-to-submarines-australia-...
I’d be interested to know whether the author has any affiliation with the French Naval Group company that was building the last lot of lemons.
etarip wrote:Some thoughts on whether we’ll ever get US subs under AUKUS arrangements, or UK-built AUKUS subs.
https://warontherocks.com/2025/03/when-it-comes-to-submarines-australia-...
I’d be interested to know whether the author has any affiliation with the French Naval Group company that was building the last lot of lemons.
Seems like a no brainer, a bird in the hand etc....
We're not going to get the time to do so. So what should the replacement be? Who can build a replacement sub fleet (SSK or SSN) within a couple of years? Not going to happen, from anyone. So we might as well build a respectable defence industry base, that does not boom/bust but rather has continuous orders.
All of you interested in this, have a read of this article, time's almost up:
https://www.aspistrategist.org.au/australias-defences-must-be-ready-in-t...
I actually think of you every time one of the many commercials come on in adelaide spruiking a career in the shipbuilding industry, @vj.
There are welders B6, and there are grinders. I'm a grinder. If I welded it it would sink.
ASC are paying first year welding apprentices $38 an hr.
The "I can't believe it's not politics" thread.