Australia - you're standing in it

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Sheepdog started the topic in Friday, 18 Sep 2020 at 11:51am

The "I can't believe it's not politics" thread.

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indo-dreaming Sunday, 24 Nov 2024 at 12:48pm

"my phone literally has one app added beyond factory settings"

That app is?

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andy-mac Sunday, 24 Nov 2024 at 12:51pm

Yeah.. nah

https://m.

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sypkan Sunday, 24 Nov 2024 at 1:19pm

WA

the chosen app of terrorists across the world...

haha

(before fuckerberg took it over)

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Optimist Sunday, 24 Nov 2024 at 1:49pm

Had to comment on Labor going after everyone’s super in the future fund.
Do we trust labor’s management or do you think they will just” burn through it “
in no time….
Peter Costello who started it in the first place is horrified.
250 billion of other people’s money in Labor hands….nope…
That is all.

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blackers Sunday, 24 Nov 2024 at 3:56pm

Do you know what the Future Fund actually is Opti? Unless you are or were a public servant, it ain't your super. There are other issues there for sure but not what you are banging on about.

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Optimist Sunday, 24 Nov 2024 at 4:48pm

It funds public servant employee super and other costs as well.
It invests in things that make money to save money for the taxpayer.
It made 11.9% in interest last year and is now worth 290 billion.
If Labor gets access it will no longer grow at 11.9%….it will actually lose money.
Just like Labor always loses money…..not saying Labor aren’t good at some stuff….
They just aren’t good at that.
If you ain’t no good at that…. don't touch it.
Jim’s been bragging about his budget surplus ….perhaps use that instead…
Housing can be fixed overnight easily….release cheap land for everyone….everywhere……allow humble buildings.
Keep the developers out of it…..
Then, everything will fix itself.

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velocityjohnno Sunday, 24 Nov 2024 at 5:54pm
sypkan wrote:

I honestly don't know who advises labor these are 'winner' ideas...

Weird that the same kind of awful policy gets put up in different western countries by different governments at similar times. Enough examples out there, the farmers stuff in UK and Holland, the misinfo stuff getting put down here and overseas. Funny stuff is, it doesn't come from the people who vote in these governments, for who is doing it just read the first letter in each of my sentences...

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GuySmiley Sunday, 24 Nov 2024 at 7:02pm

re: @opti's "contributions ^^

Yes it is vital any $$ spent from the Future Fund stacks up but the singing of praise on Costello FFS cannot be left unchallenged ... with apologies to those that have read this previously.

Fact #1 the record surpluses that Howard and Costello saw in government were due to: (1.) being the highest taxing Governments in AU history as a % of GDP given the good fortune of being in power during the 1st mining boom; (2.) selling off every publicly owned asset they could get their hands on; (3.) drastically reducing the public service including sacking staff in the CES, aged care, TAFE and places like the ABS, ACCC, AISC and Tax Office; and (4.) basically stopping Federal Government $$ for required public infrastructure.

Fact #2: with these massive windfall surpluses Howard/Costello gave voters personal income cuts each election and introduced a suite of middle and upper class welfare measures such as negative gearing, 1/2 CGT, the elimination of tax on self funded superannuation income streams and allowing SMSFs to borrow to speculate in housing and other assets all of which ensure Federal Government structural deficits to the current day and into the future.

In other words Howard/Costello grabbed every last $$ they could get their hands on and pissed it all up against the wall and voters are still suffering their structural deficit hangover.

Costello is in no position to lecture anyone about economics nor is his unflushable turd PM!

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indo-dreaming Sunday, 24 Nov 2024 at 8:04pm

@Optimist

My advice is not to bother with a reply, everything for him comes back to Howard and Murdoch they live rent free in his old empty head.

Just be happy that we had Howard and Costello to clean up the mess Labor left, otherwise who knows what may have been, personally my only regret is i didnt make more of that golden Howard era

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andy-mac Sunday, 24 Nov 2024 at 8:49pm
indo-dreaming wrote:

@Optimist

My advice is not to bother with a reply, everything for him comes back to Howard and Murdoch they live rent free in his old empty head.

Just be happy that we had Howard and Costello to clean up the mess Labor left, otherwise who knows what may have been, personally my only regret is i didnt make more of that golden Howard era

But nothing that was pointed out is untrue though?????

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GuySmiley Sunday, 24 Nov 2024 at 8:58pm

^^ that’s it @AndyMac

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indo-dreaming Sunday, 24 Nov 2024 at 9:23pm
andy-mac wrote:
indo-dreaming wrote:

@Optimist

My advice is not to bother with a reply, everything for him comes back to Howard and Murdoch they live rent free in his old empty head.

Just be happy that we had Howard and Costello to clean up the mess Labor left, otherwise who knows what may have been, personally my only regret is i didnt make more of that golden Howard era

But nothing that was pointed out is untrue though?????

I agree with much of it but not all, but it's all about perspective, you might see these things as negatives while others like me see many of them as positives that were needed like the GST and just cutting the fat, IMHO it's about due for another trim.

Otherwise you end up in a situation like the Victoria government or USA in huge debt or local council's that now charge silly rates prices and keep raising rates when all most of us want is basic services like bin collection and maintenance of parks etc and lower rates

Small governments, less regulation, and lower taxes and less involvement in our life's from the government the better.

We are just lucky we havent let it get out of control like the USA, Musk is gong to have his work cut out with this new role of "Department of Government Efficiency"

Hopefully it works and we see a similar thing in Australia.

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basesix Monday, 25 Nov 2024 at 8:30pm

maaaan... what a shame. Just as street press is coming back onto the streets of out cities, regional papers can't bridge the few years time gap, before it all comes back. Once things are gone, they're gone. Vote whatever-version-of-trump we get offered. They'll say that they'll fix it..
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-11-20/portland-observer-sale-staff-redu...
stoicism at the beginning, regional print media at the end:
https://www.abc.net.au/listen/programs/lifematters/why-stoicism-is-havin...

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flollo Monday, 25 Nov 2024 at 8:37pm
basesix wrote:

maaaan... what a shame. Just as street press is coming back onto the streets of out cities, regional papers can't bridge the few years time gap, before it all comes back. Once things are gone, they're gone. Vote whatever-version-of-trump we get offered. They'll say that they'll fix it..
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-11-20/portland-observer-sale-staff-redu...
stoicism at the beginning, regional print media at the end:
https://www.abc.net.au/listen/programs/lifematters/why-stoicism-is-havin...

There’s no hope for this. As evidenced on swellnet, everyone’s on YouTube. I’m surprised some of these papers are still alive.

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basesix Monday, 25 Nov 2024 at 8:46pm
flollo wrote:
basesix wrote:

maaaan... what a shame. Just as street press is coming back onto the streets of out cities, regional papers can't bridge the few years time gap, before it all comes back. Once things are gone, they're gone. Vote whatever-version-of-trump we get offered. They'll say that they'll fix it..
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-11-20/portland-observer-sale-staff-redu...
stoicism at the beginning, regional print media at the end:
https://www.abc.net.au/listen/programs/lifematters/why-stoicism-is-havin...

There’s no hope for this. As evidenced on swellnet, everyone’s on YouTube. I’m surprised some of these papers are still alive.

yeh, they're an exemplar of how vanity print can work well, coupla primary school events, some community stories, youth sport with pics and results.. guarantees a few hundred sales right there.. ads from local shops, events and agriculture.. add a real estate insert with a couple of advertorials and it works. When it starts to not work, you either combine a few, like Spec does with potland, hamilton and warrnambool, or you take the true-believer model where you run it solo, and let people submit their own stories, subject to a one-man editing set-up. The Border Watch only just got saved a few years ago, SA's 2nd largest town. It can work. And it can't. My daughter has just changed from nursing to journalism, eyes wide open, haha. I like buying a local paper when I travel.. little insight/snapshot of a place.

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basesix Monday, 25 Nov 2024 at 10:48pm

^ * casterton, not warrnambool, coupla the oldest papers in vic, they're in argus territory.. if you'd like to read an article by the paper about its closing in the next month, you can get a subscription..
https://spec.com.au/article/general/2024/11/22/stopping-the-press-and-why/

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sypkan Tuesday, 26 Nov 2024 at 12:12pm
velocityjohnno wrote:
sypkan wrote:

I honestly don't know who advises labor these are 'winner' ideas...

Weird that the same kind of awful policy gets put up in different western countries by different governments at similar times. Enough examples out there, the farmers stuff in UK and Holland, the misinfo stuff getting put down here and overseas. Funny stuff is, it doesn't come from the people who vote in these governments, for who is doing it just read the first letter in each of my sentences...

thanks for that vj

sometimes I think I'm going crazy...

some things appear so bleeding obvious... yet, they - and their minions - keep telling us it isn't so...

I hate this reasonably contemporary term - but it is gaslighting... in the truest sense of the term...

the difference between bullshitting and gaslighting is subtle, so subtle people argue it's the same... but it is much more reckless and nefarious than just plain old bullshitting...

and it's now the go to political tool

cue, mass mental health crisis...

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sypkan Tuesday, 26 Nov 2024 at 12:14pm

crises...

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sypkan Tuesday, 26 Nov 2024 at 12:23pm

about ten years late

more like 20...

apparently, the government couldn't possibly know

it's almost like they were...

us

https://www.news.com.au/finance/economy/australian-economy/fake-students...

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Fliplid Tuesday, 26 Nov 2024 at 2:54pm

sypkan, you can't really blame them for being upset and confused considering that for the last decade or so they have had the full support of the mob who created the system. Even now they are going in to bat for them, forget about the fact that the whole setup is a rort. Particularly love this quote from Tehan

“I have been consistently clear that the Coalition will restore integrity to our migration system and cut Labor’s record migration numbers,” he said.

He's one of the crew that has been running it for the last decade or so

The Sydney Morning Herald

‘In bed with education agents’: Coalition under fire as Tehan dines with agents

Coalition immigration spokesman Dan Tehan dined with education and migration agents at a breakfast to discuss immigration issues the day before sinking Labor’s bill to crack down on private colleges and education providers.

Tehan was the featured guest at a private breakfast hosted on Sunday by Rattan Virk, the Liberal candidate for the north-west Sydney seat of Greenway, and praised the feedback he received from a dozen people including migration lawyers and private college representatives whose business models were threatened by Labor’s legislation.

The breakfast was held a month after the Coalition’s education spokeswoman, Sarah Henderson, headlined a separate function organised by a company that helps students extend their stays in Australia and had sponsored Liberal Party functions in the past.

Tehan, Henderson and fellow Coalition frontbencher James Paterson, the Home Affairs spokesman, co-signed a statement on Monday declaring the Coalition would block the government’s education bill.

As the Coalition’s rejection throws Labor’s plans to lower soaring migration numbers into disarray, the federal government has seized on the revelations to accuse senior Liberal frontbenchers of “getting into bed with education agents” despite calling for deeper cuts to international student numbers.

Labor’s bill would have introduced international student caps – with the deepest cuts going to private education providers – as well a raft of integrity measures to crack down on migration agents and colleges that bring thousands of people into the country on student visas, such as by blocking commissions for agents when students change courses.

Nationals leader David Littleproud this week said one of the bill’s flaws was that “private providers … are being left out of this and in fact will go bankrupt”.

Virk, who invited local education and migration agents to Sunday’s breakfast with Tehan, celebrated the Coalition’s decision to block the bill in a post about the event. In a separate video Virk posted to Facebook, filmed after the breakfast, Tehan said: “This forum we’ve had today has been brilliant, it’s provided me with lots of feedback that I can take back to Canberra.”

In response to questions from this masthead, Tehan said the Coalition’s decision to oppose Labor’s “flawed education bill” had been made before the breakfast on Sunday.

“I have been consistently clear that the Coalition will restore integrity to our migration system and cut Labor’s record migration numbers,” he said.

The opposition has this week been pressured to outline its immigration plans as it blocks Labor’s attempt to limit student numbers while accusing the government of mismanaging the system.
Several shadow ministers and backbenchers have cited confusion in the party room about the Coalition’s sudden decision to block a bill that would reduce immigration, with some unsure about how to articulate the position publicly.

Education Minister Jason Clare used Thursday’s question time to accuse the Coalition of hypocrisy, pointing to reports in this masthead that Henderson and former immigration minister Alex Hawke headlined a migration forum and launched a new brand for a Liberal Party member who helps international students extend stays in Australia.

“It was hard to believe this opposition leader would get into bed with the Greens on migration. Now it seems that bed is getting pretty full. Full of education agents,” Clare said.

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sypkan Tuesday, 26 Nov 2024 at 4:41pm

I most certainly don't blame the students...

but I also don't for minute, accept that labor only found out what's happening once they got in power...

they had a decade of morrison to make political hay on this issue - but all we got was silence...

cold steely silence

now, with labor in power, and a million migrants per year rolling in... and what appears to be the slowest of slow walks from labor on actually clamping down on these dodgy visas...

it just seems like labor has found a face saving scapegoat to maintain the 'longest per capita recession in austalias history' (recession when you're not having a recession) mechanism that BOTH parties are all in on...

playing it from both sides

as is dutton...

https://x.com/KosSamaras/status/1860456835561718233

seems dutton's playing it a bit smarter though

because, labor are dumb cunts... who assume we are dumb cunts...

with labor's record of a million ++ migrants... and their shameless hollow promise to cut it in half...

but didn't...

I think dutton's playing it from both sides scam, just outsmarted labor's playing it from both sides scam...