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Hiccups wrote:Republican voters who pissed and moaned about drag storytime "grooming kids", which is silly, are now conspicuously quiet regarding Matt Gaetz, the sex trafficker of underage girls, being fingered by Trump for attorney general.
Haha. Yes, I was going to mention that.
@andy m , I recall you and burleigh having a discussion about the kids that died in samoa from a vaccine . Dr Paul Offit who’s credentials are pretty high, speaks about the case . https://x.com/rpsagainsttrump/status/1857166708810666496?s=46
Hiccups wrote:Republican voters who pissed and moaned about drag storytime "grooming kids", which is silly, are now conspicuously quiet regarding Matt Gaetz, the sex trafficker of underage girls, being fingered by Trump for attorney general.
Which he denies and has not been found guilty. Are you an Idiot?........ Don't answer that.
Drag story time with kids is 100% messed up.
burleigh wrote:Hiccups wrote:Republican voters who pissed and moaned about drag storytime "grooming kids", which is silly, are now conspicuously quiet regarding Matt Gaetz, the sex trafficker of underage girls, being fingered by Trump for attorney general.
Which he denies and has not been found guilty. Are you an Idiot?........ Don't answer that.
Drag story time with kids is 100% messed up.
What's so messed up about it? What are you threatened by poor fool
TimTam wrote:burleigh wrote:Hiccups wrote:Republican voters who pissed and moaned about drag storytime "grooming kids", which is silly, are now conspicuously quiet regarding Matt Gaetz, the sex trafficker of underage girls, being fingered by Trump for attorney general.
Which he denies and has not been found guilty. Are you an Idiot?........ Don't answer that.
Drag story time with kids is 100% messed up.
What's so messed up about it? What are you threatened by poor fool
Grown adult men dressing up as women to read books to young vulnerable children? Nah nothing, that's completely normal human behaviour.
Supafreak wrote:@andy m , I recall you and burleigh having a discussion about the kids that died in samoa from a vaccine . Dr Paul Offit who’s credentials are pretty high, speaks about the case . https://x.com/rpsagainsttrump/status/1857166708810666496?s=46
Thanks Supa, that's a neat summary.
I tabled the Samoa measles outbreak with Burleigh but I don't think he ever commented on it specifically.
Certainly with regards to vaccinating kids against polio, his response was "leave the kids alone", so I suspect he might have a similar point of view with measles.
And it once again shows that RFK is a crank and is not to be taken seriously.
You can't on one hand say you care about health and at the same time be an anti-vaxxer.
According to a study published by The Lancet, vaccinations have saved an estimated 154 million lives over the past 50 years.
Those 80 or so toddlers in Samoa would almost certainly still be alive if they'd been vaxxed.
AndyM wrote:Supafreak wrote:@andy m , I recall you and burleigh having a discussion about the kids that died in samoa from a vaccine . Dr Paul Offit who’s credentials are pretty high, speaks about the case . https://x.com/rpsagainsttrump/status/1857166708810666496?s=46
Thanks Supa, that's a neat summary.
I tabled the Samoa measles outbreak with Burleigh but I don't think he ever commented on it specifically.
Certainly with regards to vaccinating kids against polio, his response was "leave the kids alone", so I suspect he might have a similar point of view with measles.
And it once again shows that RFK is a crank and is not to be taken seriously.
You can't on one hand say you care about health and at the same time be an anti-vaxxer.
According to a study published by The Lancet, vaccinations have saved an estimated 154 million lives over the past 50 years.
Those 80 or so toddlers in Samoa would almost certainly still be alive if they'd been vaxxed.
RFK isn't anti Vaccine. He's Anti corruption in the big pharma world. Shows how little you actually now about him.
burleigh wrote:TimTam wrote:burleigh wrote:Hiccups wrote:Republican voters who pissed and moaned about drag storytime "grooming kids", which is silly, are now conspicuously quiet regarding Matt Gaetz, the sex trafficker of underage girls, being fingered by Trump for attorney general.
Which he denies and has not been found guilty. Are you an Idiot?........ Don't answer that.
Drag story time with kids is 100% messed up.
What's so messed up about it? What are you threatened by poor fool
Grown adult men dressing up as women to read books to young vulnerable children? Nah nothing, that's completely normal human behaviour.
I’m with you on this one burleigh , I don’t see the need for it . I’m sure there’s some lovely caring sincere drag queens out there, I’m also sure there’s some predators amongst them .
burleigh wrote:AndyM wrote:Supafreak wrote:@andy m , I recall you and burleigh having a discussion about the kids that died in samoa from a vaccine . Dr Paul Offit who’s credentials are pretty high, speaks about the case . https://x.com/rpsagainsttrump/status/1857166708810666496?s=46
Thanks Supa, that's a neat summary.
I tabled the Samoa measles outbreak with Burleigh but I don't think he ever commented on it specifically.
Certainly with regards to vaccinating kids against polio, his response was "leave the kids alone", so I suspect he might have a similar point of view with measles.
And it once again shows that RFK is a crank and is not to be taken seriously.
You can't on one hand say you care about health and at the same time be an anti-vaxxer.
According to a study published by The Lancet, vaccinations have saved an estimated 154 million lives over the past 50 years.
Those 80 or so toddlers in Samoa would almost certainly still be alive if they'd been vaxxed.RFK isn't anti Vaccine. He's Anti corruption in the big pharma world. Shows how little you actually now about him.
So are you saying he didn’t go to samoa and preach anti-vaccine disinformation ?
Bullshit.
On multiple podcasts and interviews he's been clearly anti-vax, the anti-vax movement lies at the heart of his campaign and several of his campaign staff and consultants have worked for his anti-vaccine group Children’s Health Defense, whose website states misleading disinformation like "the parallel between rising disease rates and the increasing number of childhood vaccines is hard to ignore".
Supafreak wrote:burleigh wrote:AndyM wrote:Supafreak wrote:@andy m , I recall you and burleigh having a discussion about the kids that died in samoa from a vaccine . Dr Paul Offit who’s credentials are pretty high, speaks about the case . https://x.com/rpsagainsttrump/status/1857166708810666496?s=46
Thanks Supa, that's a neat summary.
I tabled the Samoa measles outbreak with Burleigh but I don't think he ever commented on it specifically.
Certainly with regards to vaccinating kids against polio, his response was "leave the kids alone", so I suspect he might have a similar point of view with measles.
And it once again shows that RFK is a crank and is not to be taken seriously.
You can't on one hand say you care about health and at the same time be an anti-vaxxer.
According to a study published by The Lancet, vaccinations have saved an estimated 154 million lives over the past 50 years.
Those 80 or so toddlers in Samoa would almost certainly still be alive if they'd been vaxxed.RFK isn't anti Vaccine. He's Anti corruption in the big pharma world. Shows how little you actually now about him.
So are you saying he didn’t go to samoa and preach anti-vaccine disinformation ?
Those FDA motherfuckers lie. RFK wrote a book on Faucci. He hates him and with good reason. All these scum bag "scientists" will be shaking in their boots.
AndyM wrote:Bullshit.
On multiple podcasts and interviews he's been clearly anti-vax, the anti-vax movement lies at the heart of his campaign and several of his campaign staff and consultants have worked for his anti-vaccine group Children’s Health Defense, whose website states "the parallel between rising disease rates and the increasing number of childhood vaccines is hard to ignore".
well if thats what you believe, good. Vaccines are mostly unnecessarily administered. Some, as you've pointed out have helped. (im not talking about when you wanted to jab every kid in London because they found trace samples of vaccine derived polio in the sewage)
Seems like RFK's the liar, he even had a Rolling Stone magazine article retracted because it was full of garbage.
The Director of the Vaccine Education Center and an attending physician in the Division of Infectious Diseases at Children's Hospital of Philadelphia called him "remarkably dishonest".
"Vaccines are mostly unnecessarily administered."
Yeah they were certainly unnecessary in Samoa and all those smallpox and polio ones were a waste of time.
AndyM wrote:Seems like RFK's the liar, he even had a Rolling Stone magazine article retracted because it was full of garbage.
The Director of the Vaccine Education Center and an attending physician in the Division of Infectious Diseases at Children's Hospital of Philadelphia called him "remarkably dishonest".
LMAO, Wonder if that Director is directly affiliated to Faucci? If so, he should be shitting himself because RFK will be coming for him. Bring it on.
AndyM wrote:"Vaccines are mostly unnecessarily administered."
Yeah they were certainly unnecessary in Samoa and all those smallpox and polio ones were a waste of time.
You been playing in the sand pit Andy?
burleigh:
WOULD NOT - Let his children have books read to them by harmless, colourful characters.
WOULD - Put his children's health at risk cos "Faucci" (sic).
burleigh wrote:AndyM wrote:Seems like RFK's the liar, he even had a Rolling Stone magazine article retracted because it was full of garbage.
The Director of the Vaccine Education Center and an attending physician in the Division of Infectious Diseases at Children's Hospital of Philadelphia called him "remarkably dishonest".LMAO, Wonder if that Director is directly affiliated to Faucci? If so, he should be shitting himself because RFK will be coming for him. Bring it on.
Maybe you should have a closer look at Offit and what he had to say about the covid vaccines , he copped a bit of heat over it as he was on the advisory committee for the FDA. ……. "I am not anti-vaccination," Offit answered with a laugh when WRAL Investigates asked him about his general stance. That said, he voted against the latest recommendations to open up the new booster to younger age groups……… Asked if he would give the bivalent vaccine to his children, Offit quickly replied, "No."
Offit points to three groups who SHOULD get the boosters — the elderly, the immunocompromised and those with high-risk medical conditions. https://www.wral.com/story/one-expert-recommends-that-parents-avoid-late...
burleigh wrote:TimTam wrote:burleigh wrote:Hiccups wrote:Republican voters who pissed and moaned about drag storytime "grooming kids", which is silly, are now conspicuously quiet regarding Matt Gaetz, the sex trafficker of underage girls, being fingered by Trump for attorney general.
Which he denies and has not been found guilty. Are you an Idiot?........ Don't answer that.
Drag story time with kids is 100% messed up.
What's so messed up about it? What are you threatened by poor fool
Grown adult men dressing up as women to read books to young vulnerable children? Nah nothing, that's completely normal human behaviour.
Vulnerable children?? Wtf?? U ever had kids? What were they Vulnerable to?? Typical rightwing hysterics.
Seems to me that those who blindly choose ideology over rational thought are the ones playing in the sandpit.
Burleigh, you’re spot on regarding this trans extremism. It needs to stop.
Hiccups wrote:burleigh:
WOULD NOT - Let his children have books read to them by harmless, colourful characters.
WOULD - Put his children's health at risk cos "Faucci" (sic).
Crazy huh. That burley is one sick puppy
flollo wrote:Burleigh, you’re spot on regarding this trans extremism. It needs to stop.
Triggered hysteria
flollo wrote:Burleigh, you’re spot on regarding this trans extremism. It needs to stop.
Please elaborate on this alleged "trans extremism". I haven't seen it personally. Seems like something made up by the same people that would've been scared of gay people in eras past, and probably still are tbh. wtf is trans extremism? lolol
Also, many drag queens aren't even trans. It's performance art, darling!
burleigh wrote:Hiccups wrote:Republican voters who pissed and moaned about drag storytime "grooming kids", which is silly, are now conspicuously quiet regarding Matt Gaetz, the sex trafficker of underage girls, being fingered by Trump for attorney general.
Which he denies and has not been found guilty. Are you an Idiot?........ Don't answer that.
Oh, he DENIES it? That's that sorted then. I think you'll find he hasn't been found not guilty either there, chief.
Burls, poster boy for post-truth.
AndyM wrote:"Vaccines are mostly unnecessarily administered."
Yeah they were certainly unnecessary in Samoa and all those smallpox and polio ones were a waste of time.
There’s a polio strain caused by the polio vaccine, any rational person would do a risk assessment. Your reasoning for administering the Hep B vaccine to infants doesn’t really hold water either
I think your mum called Andy, she said you should get another Covid booster.
AndyM wrote:Burls, poster boy for post-truth.
Lol. That needs a meme.
soggydog wrote:AndyM wrote:"Vaccines are mostly unnecessarily administered."
Yeah they were certainly unnecessary in Samoa and all those smallpox and polio ones were a waste of time.
There’s a polio strain caused by the polio vaccine, any rational person would do a risk assessment. Your reasoning for administering the Hep B vaccine to infants doesn’t really hold water either
I think your mum called Andy, she said you should get another Covid booster.
1. There's two types of polio vaccines right?
There's the inactivated polio vaccine and there's the oral polio vaccine that contains weakened polioviruses and can rarely cause vaccine-associated paralytic polio.
After the introduction of inactivated polio vaccine (IPV) into Zimbabwe and Mongolia’s routine immunisation programmes, every country worldwide has now introduced the IPV vaccine.
2. Hep B vax for kids seems reasonable to me
3. If it wasn't required by work, I wouldn't have got the Covid shots. Though some people should get their shots plus boosters i.e. the elderly, the immunocompromised and those with high-risk medical conditions.
@Burls,
Grown men dressing as women to tell stories, including to children, is a very old tradition.
English pantomimes, Shakespearean male actors played female parts, it's right through history.
Kids here grew up watching a few of them, no one got hurt, the ABC had a man dressed as a woman who used to tell kids he'd "come 'round and rip their bloody arms off".
Maybe wind back the transphobia there fella. I would, but I'm not you. Just a suggestion.
You might get a visit from Aunty Jack if you're not careful.
Hahahah ^^^ …… I was never a Danny La rue fan but Auntie Jack & Dane Edna are Australian icon’s .
^ yes, and with such aussie icons (in a US thread)
& since southern fried chicken is an american icon unto itself
… time to farkn bring greggo into the fold ;)
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AndyM wrote:soggydog wrote:AndyM wrote:"Vaccines are mostly unnecessarily administered."
Yeah they were certainly unnecessary in Samoa and all those smallpox and polio ones were a waste of time.
There’s a polio strain caused by the polio vaccine, any rational person would do a risk assessment. Your reasoning for administering the Hep B vaccine to infants doesn’t really hold water either
I think your mum called Andy, she said you should get another Covid booster.1. There's two types of polio vaccines right?
There's the inactivated polio vaccine and there's the oral polio vaccine that contains weakened polioviruses and can rarely cause vaccine-associated paralytic polio.
After the introduction of inactivated polio vaccine (IPV) into Zimbabwe and Mongolia’s routine immunisation programmes, every country worldwide has now introduced the IPV vaccine.
2. Hep B vax for kids seems reasonable to me
3. If it wasn't required by work, I wouldn't have got the Covid shots. Though some people should get their shots plus boosters i.e. the elderly, the immunocompromised and those with high-risk medical conditions.
2. Hep B normally associated with drug users and sex workers. Not usually infants. And your blanket argument serves the profiteers not the infants.
I think hep b vaccination is important for infants that are in certain countries , like Indonesia , my daughter was vaccinated for it ……... Indonesia experiences intermediate to high hepatitis B endemicity that varies between provinces[11] (Figure 1). In countries with a high prevalence of chronic hepatitis B infection, a higher proportion of carriers are infected during infancy or early childhood; historically, 25%-50% of chronic infections in these countries are caused by vertical mother-to-infant perinatal transmission. Surveys of pregnant women in Indonesia have shown prevalence rates between 3% and 8%. This phenomenon generates high potential for perinatal transmission from carrier mothers to their babies[12]. https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC4997646/
We’ll there you go, had a quick read. Seems I could be wrong. Thanks Supa.
I still think Andy is wrong regarding RFK, from what I’ve heard and read he is a champion of the average person as opposed to the crank he’s accused of being . And he seems to be able back himself. Exposes Fauci, no defamation case. Taken on the big chemical companies on behalf of people and won. Seems like the kind of guy you’d want on your side.
adam12 wrote:@Burls,
Grown men dressing as women to tell stories, including to children, is a very old tradition.
English pantomimes, Shakespearean male actors played female parts, it's right through history.
Kids here grew up watching a few of them, no one got hurt, the ABC had a man dressed as a woman who used to tell kids he'd "come 'round and rip their bloody arms off".
Maybe wind back the transphobia there fella. I would, but I'm not you. Just a suggestion.
You might get a visit from Aunty Jack if you're not careful.
Haha blast from the past! But no clip....
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&pp=ygUcZmFyZXdlbGwgYXVudHkgamFjayBvcmlnaW5hbA%3D%3D andy-mac wrote:adam12 wrote:@Burls,
Grown men dressing as women to tell stories, including to children, is a very old tradition.
English pantomimes, Shakespearean male actors played female parts, it's right through history.
Kids here grew up watching a few of them, no one got hurt, the ABC had a man dressed as a woman who used to tell kids he'd "come 'round and rip their bloody arms off".
Maybe wind back the transphobia there fella. I would, but I'm not you. Just a suggestion.
You might get a visit from Aunty Jack if you're not careful.Haha blast from the past! But no clip....
https://m.
&pp=ygUcZmFyZXdlbGwgYXVudHkgamFjayBvcmlnaW5hbA%3D%3D
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soggydog wrote:We’ll there you go, had a quick read. Seems I could be wrong. Thanks Supa.
I still think Andy is wrong regarding RFK, from what I’ve heard and read he is a champion of the average person as opposed to the crank he’s accused of being . And he seems to be able back himself. Exposes Fauci, no defamation case. Taken on the big chemical companies on behalf of people and won. Seems like the kind of guy you’d want on your side.
I do think Kennedy has some good intentions and believe a cleanup of the FDA , CDC ect is long overdue . Corruption has been an ongoing virus in the FDA , NIH , CDC for way too long . Early in the peace when various reporters were saying all sorts of things about Fauci and the origins of covid , my initial thought was if these accusations aren’t true , then why isn’t he suing the fark out of them ? He seems to have slipped off into retirement untouchable. Be interesting to see what Kennedy comes up with when it comes to Fauci . I think the problem is way bigger than Fauci though, he’s just one part of a system that is out of control .
Hiccups wrote:burleigh wrote:Hiccups wrote:Republican voters who pissed and moaned about drag storytime "grooming kids", which is silly, are now conspicuously quiet regarding Matt Gaetz, the sex trafficker of underage girls, being fingered by Trump for attorney general.
Which he denies and has not been found guilty. Are you an Idiot?........ Don't answer that.
Oh, he DENIES it? That's that sorted then. I think you'll find he hasn't been found not guilty either there, chief.
Well it all fits in with the trump style, sex traffikers, pussy grabbers etc. Don't forget trumpys good mate was the late Epstein.
Supafreak wrote:I think hep b vaccination is important for infants that are in certain countries , like Indonesia , my daughter was vaccinated for it ……... Indonesia experiences intermediate to high hepatitis B endemicity that varies between provinces[11] (Figure 1). In countries with a high prevalence of chronic hepatitis B infection, a higher proportion of carriers are infected during infancy or early childhood; historically, 25%-50% of chronic infections in these countries are caused by vertical mother-to-infant perinatal transmission. Surveys of pregnant women in Indonesia have shown prevalence rates between 3% and 8%. This phenomenon generates high potential for perinatal transmission from carrier mothers to their babies[12]. https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC4997646/
This is also interesting.
Discovered a new genotype of HBV – HBV/C4. This genotype is unique to Aboriginal Australians in the NT and its surface protein is different from other HBVs. As a result, we will conduct studies to determine whether the vaccine given to Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander infants is as effective as first thought.
https://www.menzies.edu.au/page/Research/Global_and_Tropical_Health/Hepa....
A good article on rfk jr appointment. There’s so much noise and populism on this, it’s hard to find something balanced. Some interesting info in here regarding lobbies and the agenda.
https://www.politico.com/news/2024/11/14/rfk-jr-hhs-public-health-priori...
If Trump had been sensible with his picks for roles he could have done all right. Sadly he has gone on the overly disruptive and chaotic route.
adam12 wrote:@Burls,
Grown men dressing as women to tell stories, including to children, is a very old tradition.
English pantomimes, Shakespearean male actors played female parts, it's right through history.
Kids here grew up watching a few of them, no one got hurt, the ABC had a man dressed as a woman who used to tell kids he'd "come 'round and rip their bloody arms off".
Maybe wind back the transphobia there fella. I would, but I'm not you. Just a suggestion.
You might get a visit from Aunty Jack if you're not careful.
As a parent it’s my job to protect them. A grown man dresses up as a woman and wants to read books to little kids doesn’t sound like somebody with a sound mind.
The parent needs to make a decision of protection. That’s my choice.
Of course you’ll call me transphobic, that’s your choice. Not correct, but your choice.
Hiccups wrote:flollo wrote:Burleigh, you’re spot on regarding this trans extremism. It needs to stop.
Please elaborate on this alleged "trans extremism". I haven't seen it personally. Seems like something made up by the same people that would've been scared of gay people in eras past, and probably still are tbh. wtf is trans extremism? lolol
Also, many drag queens aren't even trans. It's performance art, darling!
All I’m saying is there is absolutely no need for adult men dressing up as women and reading book to young children. What can’t you see the issue?
TimTam wrote:burleigh wrote:TimTam wrote:burleigh wrote:Hiccups wrote:Republican voters who pissed and moaned about drag storytime "grooming kids", which is silly, are now conspicuously quiet regarding Matt Gaetz, the sex trafficker of underage girls, being fingered by Trump for attorney general.
Which he denies and has not been found guilty. Are you an Idiot?........ Don't answer that.
Drag story time with kids is 100% messed up.
What's so messed up about it? What are you threatened by poor fool
Grown adult men dressing up as women to read books to young vulnerable children? Nah nothing, that's completely normal human behaviour.
Vulnerable children?? Wtf?? U ever had kids? What were they Vulnerable to?? Typical rightwing hysterics.
Yea I have kids. I hope you don’t
Roadkill wrote:If Trump had been sensible with his picks for roles he could have done all right. Sadly he has gone on the overly disruptive and chaotic route.
Trump is anti establishment president that wants to create change his picks reflect that, the picks also have go through a vetting process of background checks ect and then be approved by the senate.
I love the picks but questionable on RFK but i really dont know enough about his views to have a too strong opinion, media can mislead at times on how they frame people and their views.
burleigh wrote:TimTam wrote:burleigh wrote:TimTam wrote:burleigh wrote:Hiccups wrote:Republican voters who pissed and moaned about drag storytime "grooming kids", which is silly, are now conspicuously quiet regarding Matt Gaetz, the sex trafficker of underage girls, being fingered by Trump for attorney general.
Which he denies and has not been found guilty. Are you an Idiot?........ Don't answer that.
Drag story time with kids is 100% messed up.
What's so messed up about it? What are you threatened by poor fool
Grown adult men dressing up as women to read books to young vulnerable children? Nah nothing, that's completely normal human behaviour.
Vulnerable children?? Wtf?? U ever had kids? What were they Vulnerable to?? Typical rightwing hysterics.
Yea I have kids. I hope you don’t
Hitler youth?
Septic Tanks are going to Septic Tank