Women

https://m.

Udo, you devil you.

gotta be one of your best finds @JF, ha, did you lol when you found it?

A possible reason/factor might also be the way females use social media.
Women use places like facebook groups and instagram more to build their social network.
SN wouldn't really serve that purpose.
I don't know, just a thought.

"Men and women use social network services (SNSs) differently and with different frequencies. In general, several researchers have found that women tend to use SNSs more than men and for different and more social purposes.
"https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gender_differences_in_social_network_servi....

Sorry Southern, had a great surf today, nice arvo, good feed- too tired to waste too much time on this.

If you believe I honestly meant that about chainsaws, bears whatever mate, take a moment to reflect. Insults aside, I'm concerned about you that you let your guard down enough to admit that not all is well in your universe? Might be overreaching here but could that have something to do with your aggression, your line of questioning and your broad brush strokes about anyone who doesn't share your skewed view of the world? Seriously mate, are you posting this vitriol alone late at night? It is not healthy and I would advise you to maybe talk to someone trusted about it. And I mean this sincerely and without a hint of malice.

Second, where do you think I "continuously" pull you up on things women related and wanting to preserve the mens shed? I can only think of two off the top of my head- JBay contest a couple of years ago, surf was insane, banter was hilarious and you were being fucking hysterical, one giant buzz-kill. If it wasn't me it was gonna be someone else. The other time when you pasted millions of people as, can't remember the word something awful, because they voted for DT just the other day. Did you ever for one minute stop to think that twice impeached and twice acquitted Trump (you failed to mention that but rule of law not real big in your books?) might have been a more attractive proposition than KH? Tens of millions of people were motivated to vote for a man that probably many millions more consider vile. For the record, I watched his acceptance speech and I was gobsmacked. The guy is a certifiable lunatic, he can't be human and then Dana White going nuts et al. I thought I was watching a fucking video game, it was surreal. But, maybe just maybe he offered more hope than KH and that's why he fucking smashed it. Other than that If you can point out where I've pulled you up, then if it's warranted, I'll apologise, but for now hate to burst your bubble but I don't actually give you much thought other than reading your comments warts and all.

Finally, regarding SN and women- I think you are way off the mark and especially rough attacking individual forum members. You forget the people behind the keyboard. The vast majority are good men doing the best they can raising their kids to be the best they can. They no doubt love their wives, daughters and all the other women in their lives. You will really need to point out specific examples with the exception of Andys story which btw you totally overreacted to, because in my lengthy experience with this site people come and go and all are welcome and included (until not but you gotta be pretty fucking annoying to be booted from this site). I am sure more women contributors would be embraced here if they chose to do so, but as mentioned several times before, there's probably not that much here that interests them. If that's the case, maybe you can liaise privately with Ben and Stu with ways to increase their female audience, bearing in mind to not ostracise their core market- business suicide 101. I'm sure Ben and Stu would love to hear from you rather than thanking them in advance online for cheques you don't deserve.

Finally, enjoyed your podcast driving home. Sounds like a remarkable young lady. Easy for her to say she doesn't worry about the future. I said that at 25 too. Southern, hope you can find some of the joy Ruby has in her life. Sounds like she's doing just fine without you.

Now, back to smooch my wife on the couch who after hearing the election result reacted in abject terror and now lives her life in perpetual fear.

Well said Zen.
Love the last paragraph. ;)

southernraw wrote:

A Salty Dog wrote:

southernraw wrote:

Fark me @salty. That is truly horrifying!!
Maybe @zen could read this and see if he want's to modify his last post re. misogyny because he knows that one educated black woman voted for trump. Fark me.
@zen, i've got nothing to add. Go back and read my posts.
And until there's some women commenting here, it's all hot useless air isn't it.

@SR

I'm really lost for words to describe it. I could never understand the mindset behind supporting a person like Trump, even some of the most intelligent people I have met support him.

My wife and I often chat with another couple we see on our daily walk. He, like my wife, suffers from Parkinson's, so we have some common ground: he is also a retired anaesthetist, so clearly an educated, intelligent man.

He raised the topic of Trump and what shocked me was his statement that he did not consider the character of Trump relevant to the position of POTUS, but considered only the policies he espoused.

I suspect there are many others like him.

Where the hell is society going???

Thanks for sharing that @salty.
Sorry to hear about your wifes health obstacles and your friends. Seems to b a tonne of research in that space at the moment so sending good vibes your way on that front.
You're a good egg mate. Not sure where ur based but if ur in the neighbourhood give us a holler if you ever want to catch up for a cuppa or wave. Cheers mate.

Thanks SR.

Unfortunately not everyone will share the social standards you, I or many others hold. The internet being anonymous is the perfect medium for the dregs of society. That will not change anytime soon despite any regulation governments impose.

Wife was diagnosed 16 years ago and all things considered is doing ok. Fine motor skills have largely gone but the medication provided keeps her reasonably mobile. You just have to arrange your activities around the medication schedule. Fatigue is also an issue for her.

I’m in Victoria on the Mornington Peninsula. I’m not sure where you are, but it would be good to meet up if that becomes possible.

Look after yourself.

Cheers

southernraw wrote:

A Salty Dog wrote:

southernraw wrote:

Fark me @salty. That is truly horrifying!!
Maybe @zen could read this and see if he want's to modify his last post re. misogyny because he knows that one educated black woman voted for trump. Fark me.
@zen, i've got nothing to add. Go back and read my posts.
And until there's some women commenting here, it's all hot useless air isn't it.

@SR

I'm really lost for words to describe it. I could never understand the mindset behind supporting a person like Trump, even some of the most intelligent people I have met support him.

My wife and I often chat with another couple we see on our daily walk. He, like my wife, suffers from Parkinson's, so we have some common ground: he is also a retired anaesthetist, so clearly an educated, intelligent man.

He raised the topic of Trump and what shocked me was his statement that he did not consider the character of Trump relevant to the position of POTUS, but considered only the policies he espoused.

I suspect there are many others like him.

Where the hell is society going???

Thanks for sharing that @salty.
Sorry to hear about your wifes health obstacles and your friends. Seems to b a tonne of research in that space at the moment so sending good vibes your way on that front.
You're a good egg mate. Not sure where ur based but if ur in the neighbourhood give us a holler if you ever want to catch up for a cuppa or wave. Cheers mate.

Thanks SR.

Unfortunately not everyone will share the social standards you, I or many others hold. The internet being anonymous is the perfect medium for the dregs of society. That will not change anytime soon despite any regulation governments impose.

Wife was diagnosed 16 years ago and all things considered is doing ok. Fine motor skills have largely gone but the medication provided keeps her reasonably mobile. You just have to arrange your activities around the medication schedule. Fatigue is also an issue for her.

I’m in Victoria on the Mornington Peninsula. I’m not sure where you are, but it would be good to meet up if that becomes possible.

Look after yourself.

Cheers

I'm sorry about your wife salty. I'm sure you take good care of her and she cherishes that in return.

You've always been a good poster, you sound like a good man. Don't forget to take care of yourself too.

Kudos to you Salty. A great bloke obviously.
I’m sure your wife loves you and appreciates every bit of your support.
My father has a similar experience in life. Good bloke.
None the less I disagree that some here hold lesser social standards. Left or right and the argy bargy that sometimes ensues I’ve never thought that any posters here are heartless or lack empathy to every day Aussies.

zenagain wrote:

I'm sorry about your wife salty. I'm sure you take good care of her and she cherishes that in return.

You've always been a good poster, you sound like a good man. Don't forget to take care of yourself too.

Thanks zen, much appreciated.

It’s not what we had planned on in retirement, but we get out and do as much as we can!

I hope you’re getting a few good waves!

Cheers.

Southern, you can’t, even for a moment, drop the self righteous condescending view of everyone else? Please give it a go.
The world isn’t as you see it. It’s a nutra bullet of opinions.

A Salty Dog wrote:

southernraw wrote:

For those wondering if i'm ok.
Not really but thanks for asking. Goofy i've never touched that shit in my life.
I take it very seriously that the men of this current generation especially the younger generation see somebody like Donald Trump the misogynist who used a campaign full of misogyny and policies of misogyny as their pin up boy and that his kind of behaviour is embraced and encouraged. What this teaches young boys? All around the world? The ramifications of this go beyond politics and it for sure has set me off big time. People on here keep saying 'you're not their saviour' etc etc. Fuck of course not. But men have overwhelmingly voted against women and right now women need us by their side because who's got their backs at the moment? Imagine how it feels to be a woman right now, here or over there knowing this is how the male world currently feels about you and your place in the world. Fight i fucking will.
So yeah, the timing right now, i'm snapping hard at anything that has any semblance of those kind of traits.
Like @basesix said, maybe best to chill and go surf and revisit it in a few weeks when the rage i'm feeling about this subsides a little bit.
I'll stick to the surfing upstairs.
btw just wanna add this isn't just about women. This is about fathers with sons being clear that people like Donald Trump aren't how men should act. Donald Trumps clear weaknesses of character should be pointed out to young boys at every chance as an example of what not to be.

Agreed SR, Trump is a disgraceful character.

It is a natural reaction to become enraged at things like this, but anger never achieves anything positive.

Stay calm and state your case and bring it to the attention of those you meet.

This article is worth a read.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-11-10/donald-trump-win-4b-movement-male...

Trump is not even in the White House yet, but the dregs of society are making their presence felt.

Given the abundance of Trump devotees in Australia, it's only a matter of time before it rears its ugly head here. It must not be allowed to gain a foothold.

You beat me to it a salty…
This is where much of the response to this discussion lies. A generation of young males who have been rewired by social media, gaming, and pornography. See Haidt and his profound research inThe Anxious Generation.

They lack the critical thinking required to see through Trump who is leveraging the algorithms. They believe Trump is a messiah who will give their lives the value they have lost from a lost childhood and adolescence. By building a wall and promoting the patriarchy.
.The 4b movement is the extreme of the response young women are taking to protect themselves.
In all senses of the word, US society is divergent in every direction. The 4b is sad in that it fights misogyny by shadow boxing misogyny in the mirror, adding to the hate.

As for the original question? I think the lack of women in here is nothing to do with any anything other than statistics. Of the total male surfers that exist in Australia, very few post here. A similar % of women surfer would feel inclined to do the same. That % leads to a number that is not yet high enough for there to be enough women to feel comfortable to contribute.
This forum is very similar to ski.com where the volume is high enough for there to be many women posting there. But still, prob no where near 10% of all posts. Males tend to dominate forums. Nothing more than that. I think.

seeds wrote:

Kudos to you Salty. A great bloke obviously.
I’m sure your wife loves you and appreciates every bit of your support.
My father has a similar experience in life. Good bloke.
None the less I disagree that some here hold lesser social standards. Left or right and the argy bargy that sometimes ensues I’ve never thought that any posters here are heartless or lack empathy to every day Aussies.

Thanks seeds,

I must admit my cooking skills are improving and she has expressed her appreciation in that regard!

Having seen it with your father, you would know full well how frustrating Parky’s can be. And the incidence of PD is on the increase: the medical profession is trying to figure out why. Medication is getting better but a cure would be a godsend to all those afflicted.

Also , the ‘dregs of society’ comment was not in reference to anyone on this forum. Discussion may be vigorous at times, but I’ve never seen a post that would qualify as callous or heartless towards others.

Hope you score a wave or two tomorrow!

Cheers!

That’s fantastic Salty. I bet you’re loving those cooking skills improving. Your lovely wife is no doubt loving it also and I bet you’re loving doing it for her.

All the best to you Salty.

Yes Southern, a little passive aggressive seasoned with a little sarcasm- but, I don't bear you no ill will. You are many things but thickskinned you ain't. If I can respectfully say, I don't think your judgement at this point in time is particularly state of the art.

I'm not gonna call you names, that's your domain. I just want you to understand that not everyone one here shares your point of view but they don't need you to pour scorn on them for having those that don't match yours. Mate, I don't know what world you live in when you hyperventilate over how we as men have to stand shoulder to shoulder with the oppressed women prevented from accessing this hallowed website when in reality the real reason is they probably don't give a rats arse about a bunch of blokes of various age and ability rabbiting on about something that has no interest to them.

Fuck dude, I know this is dear to you and I respect your intentions but you know which road that paves don't you? I reckon most people on here just quietly go about life enjoying being around the women they come into contact with.

You know I just deleted a big arsed addendum to the above but fuck it- wasting way too much time on you. I'm back to being with the woman that has blessed me and given me great joy.

Again, I hope you find joy especially with someone else. It rocks!

Hey Southern, what are you currently studying? What did you initially study at university?
I’d like to understand you more. Where does your academic interest lie? You’re obviously quite passionate about certain issues.

Roystein - “ As for the original question? I think the lack of women in here is nothing to do with any anything other than statistics. Of the total male surfers that exist in Australia, very few post here. A similar % of women surfer would feel inclined to do the same. That % leads to a number that is not yet high enough for there to be enough women to feel comfortable to contribute.
This forum is very similar to ski.com where the volume is high enough for there to be many women posting there. But still, prob no where near 10% of all posts. Males tend to dominate forums. Nothing more than that. I think.”

I think you’ve hit the nail on the head there roystein.
Don’t think there’s any need for all the condescending carry on before it.

No mate, the word woman doesn't trigger me. I love women but I can't help being a man.

You should try it one day.

Ps- made my skin crawl. Ffs listen to yourself dude.

Mate, Swellnet isn't Tinder, quicker you realise that you might make peace with yourself.

Southern, I apologise to you. I am not belittling your stance. I tried to answer your question as did others and you rejected it. Not much more we can do.

Take it easy, catch you further down the line.

Strangest thread Ive ever read.

Especially if you're a woman.

southernraw wrote:

Right back at ya @saltydog.
Glad she's been doing ok so to speak.
It's been something that's popped up alot in my studies this year so good to know that so much is being invested into it from the top down. Seems to be a huge priority and have been seeing and hearing of little breakthroughs starting to come through in understanding some components of it. I'm sincerely sending good vibes that these breakthroughs make their way to the Mornington peninsula for you guys. Was mowing the lawns today and sending those good vibes your way!
I'm over in the West but we'll make it happen for sure.
Take care mate.

Thanks SR!

And if you're ever over this way be sure to let us know.

Cheers!

Roystein wrote:

A Salty Dog wrote:

southernraw wrote:

For those wondering if i'm ok.
Not really but thanks for asking. Goofy i've never touched that shit in my life.
I take it very seriously that the men of this current generation especially the younger generation see somebody like Donald Trump the misogynist who used a campaign full of misogyny and policies of misogyny as their pin up boy and that his kind of behaviour is embraced and encouraged. What this teaches young boys? All around the world? The ramifications of this go beyond politics and it for sure has set me off big time. People on here keep saying 'you're not their saviour' etc etc. Fuck of course not. But men have overwhelmingly voted against women and right now women need us by their side because who's got their backs at the moment? Imagine how it feels to be a woman right now, here or over there knowing this is how the male world currently feels about you and your place in the world. Fight i fucking will.
So yeah, the timing right now, i'm snapping hard at anything that has any semblance of those kind of traits.
Like @basesix said, maybe best to chill and go surf and revisit it in a few weeks when the rage i'm feeling about this subsides a little bit.
I'll stick to the surfing upstairs.
btw just wanna add this isn't just about women. This is about fathers with sons being clear that people like Donald Trump aren't how men should act. Donald Trumps clear weaknesses of character should be pointed out to young boys at every chance as an example of what not to be.

Agreed SR, Trump is a disgraceful character.

It is a natural reaction to become enraged at things like this, but anger never achieves anything positive.

Stay calm and state your case and bring it to the attention of those you meet.

This article is worth a read.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-11-10/donald-trump-win-4b-movement-male...

Trump is not even in the White House yet, but the dregs of society are making their presence felt.

Given the abundance of Trump devotees in Australia, it's only a matter of time before it rears its ugly head here. It must not be allowed to gain a foothold.

You beat me to it a salty…
This is where much of the response to this discussion lies. A generation of young males who have been rewired by social media, gaming, and pornography. See Haidt and his profound research inThe Anxious Generation.

They lack the critical thinking required to see through Trump who is leveraging the algorithms. They believe Trump is a messiah who will give their lives the value they have lost from a lost childhood and adolescence. By building a wall and promoting the patriarchy.
.The 4b movement is the extreme of the response young women are taking to protect themselves.
In all senses of the word, US society is divergent in every direction. The 4b is sad in that it fights misogyny by shadow boxing misogyny in the mirror, adding to the hate.

As for the original question? I think the lack of women in here is nothing to do with any anything other than statistics. Of the total male surfers that exist in Australia, very few post here. A similar % of women surfer would feel inclined to do the same. That % leads to a number that is not yet high enough for there to be enough women to feel comfortable to contribute.
This forum is very similar to ski.com where the volume is high enough for there to be many women posting there. But still, prob no where near 10% of all posts. Males tend to dominate forums. Nothing more than that. I think.

Thanks Roystein.

I remember growing up as kids we went out and made our own fun, learnt things the hard way and took the advice of those older and wiser. It worked well. We were educated to think and analyse and come to a reasoned conclusion.

The internet is simply a brilliant means of communication, to learn and understand about our world and others around us. However it didn't take all that long with the rise of social media, for the devious in our societies to use it as a means of manipulation upon often willing victims. Now we have AI to deal with.

We are heading into another "Brave New World" where fact, fiction and fantasy for many, will be indiscernible.

Regards.

seeds wrote:

That’s fantastic Salty. I bet you’re loving those cooking skills improving. Your lovely wife is no doubt loving it also and I bet you’re loving doing it for her.

You'll never see me on Masterchef, but the creative juices are flowing!!

And while she has made the occasional glowing comment on my culinary skills, she doesn't hold the same opinion of my guitar playing!!! More work to do there I'm afraid.

Cheers!

SR, do you have daughters?

https://www.news.com.au/world/middle-east/legalise-child-rape-iraq-to-lo...

Truly saddening.

seeds wrote:

https://youtu.be/v4eIokfnxQM?si=VI-nw77xxIW7RrdB

Thanks Seeds!

That's what I call multi tasking!!

For me it's just one thing at a time: and I'd never forgive myself if I dropped the Ricky in the frypan!

Cheers.

velocityjohnno wrote:

https://www.news.com.au/world/middle-east/legalise-child-rape-iraq-to-lo...

Truly saddening.

Agreed vj.

velocityjohnno wrote:

https://www.news.com.au/world/middle-east/legalise-child-rape-iraq-to-lo...

Truly saddening.

Now thats a segment of humanity that should be wiped off the earth.
From 18 years old to 9.
Vile scum.

velocityjohnno wrote:

https://www.news.com.au/world/middle-east/legalise-child-rape-iraq-to-lo...

Truly saddening.

When pig men, swayed by religious teachings, make destructive decisions.

You can imagine the creeps involved.

velocityjohnno wrote:

https://www.news.com.au/world/middle-east/legalise-child-rape-iraq-to-lo...

Truly saddening.

Unbelievable.

Wasn't that when Muhammad 'consummated' his marriage to Aisha - 9yo?

Charming.

https://www.smh.com.au/world/middle-east/iran-sets-up-mental-health-clin...

Same theme as last link, what can I say but very different values, and very different choices for women. Would we want that here?

Pay wall.
But considering the propaganda wars we wage against our "enemies" like Iran, North Korea, Cuba, Venezuela, China, Russia etc etc, I wonder if this is 100% accurate and in context.

velocityjohnno wrote:

https://www.smh.com.au/world/middle-east/iran-sets-up-mental-health-clin...

Same theme as last link, what can I say but very different values, and very different choices for women. Would we want that here?

Yeah paywalled but would be of no surprise there was a women the other week who rebelled against wearing a hijab and stripped to her underwear in public, not sure what happened to her, got a lot of media so hopefully she is safe.

Iran women that have gone through this have somehow fled to the west as refugees have said that her and the family will be forced to admit in public that she only did so because of mental health illness.

So called Hijab police have beaten women to death before for not wearing a hijab or not wearing it properly, women can also get prison terms or receive lashings.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/maryroeloffs/2023/10/22/iranian-teenager-ar...

"Iranian Woman Defiant Despite 'Medieval' Flogging For Hijab Violation" (she got 74 lashings on her back)

Now that is truely a brave women, and its interesting the reaction of the people around her that barely show any interest?

OK next one really hits the empath button hard:

https://www.theage.com.au/national/i-m-a-career-woman-with-25-years-expe...

If you can read this site, please read her story.

"What I’ve learnt through all this is that there’s no real safety net for women like me – single and without family nearby. We’re invisible in this crisis. Research by Housing for the Aged Action Group and Social Ventures Australia estimates that more than 400,000 women aged over 45 are at risk of homelessness."