Australia - you're standing in it
Lydia is a lunatic. Hopefully she’s gone after the next election.
I'm with Lydia.
Fuck the guy.
He's not my King either.
What kind of piss poor backwater are we?
We are not British.
Time this country grew up and grew some balls.
Way past time.
;)
https://m.
udo wrote:Oh Lydia
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-10-21/lidia-thorpe-protest-king-charles...
You could question the delivery, but she has a point.
And it’s time to grow up and leave the nest.
Lydia is a Senator of OUR Country .
She has Parliament 2 make her point .
How about you Guys suggest to Lydia , a sensible way 2 appoint a Head Of State .
An Election won't cut it , so until U work that Out , we can't Leave the Nest .
We can't let Albo decide either .
Pop Down wrote:Lydia is a Senator of OUR Country .
She has Parliament 2 make her point .
How about you Guys suggest to Lydia , a sensible way 2 appoint a Head Of State .
An Election won't cut it , so until U work that Out , we can't Leave the Nest .
We can't let Albo decide either .
We tried that 25 years ago Pop.
But the Liberal Party fucked that up as well.
Cheers.
flollo wrote:Lydia is a lunatic. Hopefully she’s gone after the next election.
Im pretty sure she has said she wont run again, but who knows she could run with that new nutter party that sprung up last week.
Im no monarchist but the bonus of the voice failure is its unlikely that any government will take the issue of becoming a republic to a referendum anytime soon. (maybe for a decade or more)
^^ could have put your house on this odious comment being made, oh oh so predictable
The King/Parliament balance is a good thing, much history and lives spent in determining it to be a stable system of government - I'd hope similar checks and balances (as well as a solid bill of rights) exist in any Republic.
GuySmiley wrote:^^ could have put your house on this odious comment being made, oh oh so predictable
What's more predictable is you being triggered by my opinion and needing to let everyone know.
Care factor = Zero
adam12 wrote:I'm with Lydia.
Fuck the guy.
He's not my King either.
What kind of piss poor backwater are we?
We are not British.
Time this country grew up and grew some balls.
Way past time.
I think Lydia is barking up the wrong tree. Australia has had decades of democratically elected Government to do something about her complaint. It is not King Charles’ fault her people have ignored her.
As for becoming a republic, crack on. Its an issue that is rarely discussed in the UK and clearly matters more to Australians. Generational changes in attitudes mean that for the UK Australia is less of a distant relative these days, more a friend of a friend. The anglicised way of life has given way to an americanised outlook in Australia. Politically, ties remain for trade, defence etc. But when it comes to culture, beliefs, attitudes and as people, Australia and the UK are moving further apart, becoming a Republic is a logical step.
100% @Adam12. She might be a bit unhinged and a nut, but she's a nut in a position of power and influence, and she used it brilliantly today.
It's going to upset the usual 60percenters. Good.
Seems it's the only way, since voting peacefully didn't work out so well.
Pretty legendary effort by her in my opinion.
Hope you're doing well and healing up mate.
indo-dreaming wrote:GuySmiley wrote:^^ could have put your house on this odious comment being made, oh oh so predictable
What's more predictable is you being triggered by my opinion and needing to let everyone know.
Care factor = Zero
Constantly confirming others bias.:)
southernraw wrote:100% @Adam12. She might be a bit unhinged and a nut, but she's a nut in a position of power and influence, and she used it brilliantly today.
It's going to upset the usual 60percenters. Good.
Seems it's the only way, since voting peacefully didn't work out so well.
Pretty legendary effort by her in my opinion.
Hope you're doing well and healing up mate.
Thanks @Southern, the back's actually feeling a lot better today, hopefully I'm on the mend. I'm going home to my little farmhouse by the beach in the morning, I can't wait, I'm so exited. I've been dreaming of it for weeks now. It's not much but it's paradise to me. I feel like a prisoner about to be released right now. So stoked this nightmare I've been living the last month is over, 12 more hours and I'm home.
As for Lydia, yep she's a wildcat that one, but I like that.
I've got nothing personal against King Chuck, I actually admire the guy in many ways and got no problem with him being King....of England.
And in spite of her wicked ways, the point Lydia was making about Treaty and colonisation here is legally valid. There is a strong case at law to say the whole place is actually illegitimate. We are the only country in the Commonwealth that never signed a Treaty with the indigenous population which according to one view of the law means all our institutions, States and the Federal Constitution are actually invalid.
But let's not start discussing these issues lest the pest that is @IndoDreaming starts piping in and I'm sick of that cunt.
Good to chat @Southern, hope you are well and the wind is at your back.
Glad to hear you're on the mend @Adam12! A few friends of mine have also been in the wars lately and they're coming out the other side now, and i reckon one of the joys of life is seeing your friends healing up. Stoked for you.
hahaha ahhh, i definitely expect the ears to be pricked. Not part of the 60percent though, definitely in a special .001% minority club that one.
That's super interesting points about the treaty. I've always wondered how that sits legally and that certainly got me sitting up and paying attention,...i must admit, with a bit of a glimmer in my eye. ;-)
Anyway, there's a thread for all this so i'll leave it at that, but would be interested in any further discussions on that in the future.
Enjoy your homecoming to your slice of paradise. Sounds beautiful there. Something to be said for having positive thoughts and visions that are ultimately a very good thing for the nervous system and to assist healing.
Learning myself that stress is the one that'll get us if we leave it unguarded.
Cheers mate.
Yes im a minority here on Swellnet, but this is a bubble.
The reality is we voted and results and polls showed you guys to be in the clear minority.
While you sit with the 39.9% on the Yes vote, its actually worse than that when you break things down, by sex, age, geographic, social status/income etc
Most here are male over 50 and dont live in Canberra or an inner city.
Overall males over 50 only voted yes at twenty something percent and in regional areas lower.
Go have a look at social media comments under any article related to this topic or related and you will see that my views are very tame compared to many, some of the shit i see there is shit i dont agree with and would never say.
Anyway if you dont want to hear this, maybe dont diss me and provoke me to comment.
Sometimes pictures can speak louder than words.
https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/the-demographics-that-felled-the...
I would like to give Charles the Flick !
I want an Australian Head of State !
The ONLY Problem is that I CAN'T work out HOW we Select Her or Him !
The Pollies couldn't work it out , so got a NO !
I want ALL our differences with our Native sisters and brothers sorted 2 .
Give the Australian people a Well thought out Plan and We will vote YES , on both issues , as Public Opinion shows .
Good morning @info, your odious opinions are well known and you’re welcome to them.
What I was commenting on ^^ was how you firstly said that you weren’t a monarchist but then you went on to say that it was good that any vote on becoming a republic would be put off for a decade or so (huh? WT?) …. because of the Voice result and gleefully linking the two was predicable.
BTW: I’m in no hurry for AU to become a republic, our current monarchy thingie is not a perfect, nor is our model of democracy, but it has mostly served us well and until something better is offered up I don’t see the need for change and especially so looking at what passes for democracy in the US.
Now fuck off
Low info.
Writes a thousand plus comments about why Israel should have sovereignty over it's lands.
Writes a thousand plus comments about why indigenous Australian's shouldn't.
Definitely a specimen.
I agree with you on this bit, it's exactly how i feel.
"I’m in no hurry for AU to become a republic, our current monarchy thingie is not a perfect, nor is our model of democracy, but it has mostly served us well and until something better is offered up I don’t see the need for change and especially so looking at what passes for democracy in the US."
Hence why it was just another positive of the voice failing, (even pointed out by others in the media) no more waste of money and energy on another referendum, no party will risk it after two failed referendums.
If you think my comment's are odious thats fine, like i said i dont care what you think and i dont need to lower myself to name calling, inflammatory language or personal attacks just because i dont share the same views as others. (unless im in some hot headed argument, then being human i might let some slip)
southernraw wrote:Low info.
Writes a thousand plus comments about why Israel should have sovereignty over it's lands.
Writes a thousand plus comments about why indigenous Australian's shouldn't.
Definitely a specimen.
Actually im not against Aboriginal people having all the same rights as other Aussies or even against traditional land rights.
But hey you keep telling me how i feel.
Moldova just had a Ref decide if the country should join the EU .
A Huge change to Their Constitution .
With 98.42% of the votes counted , YES has 50.08 and NO has 49.92% .
Postal votes decided the contest .
Moldova WILL join the EU , as YES got more than 50% .
The Country is Still Divided , IMHO it was a TIE .
A Great Example that Political Issues should NOT B decided by a REF imho .
indo-dreaming wrote:southernraw wrote:Low info.
Writes a thousand plus comments about why Israel should have sovereignty over it's lands.
Writes a thousand plus comments about why indigenous Australian's shouldn't.
Definitely a specimen.Actually im not against Aboriginal people having all the same rights as other Aussies or even against traditional land rights.
But hey you keep telling me how i feel.
Ha!!! Thats gonna be the funniest thing I'll read today.
Thanks for the laugh.
I reckon we should become a Republic. Then we can have a good old fashioned coup d'état or civil war if we don't agree with the government of the day. I can just picture Andrew Bolt and Rowan Dean, pitchforks and torches in hand marching on parliament house to overthrow Albosleezy and Blackout Bowen!!!
Vote 1. gargyg1412.
AW.
Gary " Crusty MEGA Cray Catcher " gets my vote 2 !
As our President , we won't need a lighting Bolt , pitchforks or torches 2 throw out a Prime Minister .
Gary will Black Out the government , as he will B SO popular .
We can then make him Gary the First , King of Australia !
Go Gaza !
edit
Gosh , imagine what I could do , if King 4 one day :) !
It's 2 scary 2 think about , BUT , I would have fun .
edit
An "It's ok 2 B Wrong Dept " 2 Replace the Misinformation Dept. , perhaps :)) !
garyg1412 wrote:I reckon we should become a Republic. Then we can have a good old fashioned coup d'état or civil war if we don't agree with the government of the day. I can just picture Andrew Bolt and Rowan Dean, pitchforks and torches in hand marching on parliament house to overthrow Albosleezy and Blackout Bowen!!!
We’ve already had a coup and we weren’t even a republic.
I remember it well. Even Norman Gunston was there.
adam12 wrote:southernraw wrote:100% @Adam12. She might be a bit unhinged and a nut, but she's a nut in a position of power and influence, and she used it brilliantly today.
It's going to upset the usual 60percenters. Good.
Seems it's the only way, since voting peacefully didn't work out so well.
Pretty legendary effort by her in my opinion.
Hope you're doing well and healing up mate.Thanks @Southern, the back's actually feeling a lot better today, hopefully I'm on the mend. I'm going home to my little farmhouse by the beach in the morning, I can't wait, I'm so exited. I've been dreaming of it for weeks now. It's not much but it's paradise to me. I feel like a prisoner about to be released right now. So stoked this nightmare I've been living the last month is over, 12 more hours and I'm home.
As for Lydia, yep she's a wildcat that one, but I like that.
I've got nothing personal against King Chuck, I actually admire the guy in many ways and got no problem with him being King....of England.
And in spite of her wicked ways, the point Lydia was making about Treaty and colonisation here is legally valid. There is a strong case at law to say the whole place is actually illegitimate. We are the only country in the Commonwealth that never signed a Treaty with the indigenous population which according to one view of the law means all our institutions, States and the Federal Constitution are actually invalid.
But let's not start discussing these issues lest the pest that is @IndoDreaming starts piping in and I'm sick of that cunt.
Good to chat @Southern, hope you are well and the wind is at your back.
Adam12. Hi pal.
The legal voice of truth and reason. You are absolutely correct, we operate under an illegal constitution.
“Well, I heard it on the radio
And I saw it on the television
Back in 1988,
All those politicians
Words are easy, words are cheap
Much cheaper than our priceless land
But promises can disappear
Just like writing in the sand
Treaty Yeh Treaty Now
Treaty Yeh Treaty Now
Nhima Djatpangarri nhima
walangwalang-
Nhe Djatpayatpa nhima gaya nhe-
Matjini….Yakarray-nhe Djat’pa
nhe walang-Gumurrtijararrk
Gutjuk-
This land was never given up
This land was never bought and sold
The planting of the Union Jack
Never changed our law at all
Now two rivers run their course
Separated for so long
I’m dreaming of a brighter day
When the waters will be one
Treaty Yeh Treaty Now Treaty Yeh
Treaty Now
Treaty Yeh Treaty Now Treat Yeh
Treaty Now
Nhima djaptpa nhe walang
gumurrtjararrk yawirriny Nhe gaya
nhe matjini Gaya gaya nhe
gaya nhe
Matjini walangwalang Nhema djatpa nhe walang- Nhe
gumurrtjarrk nhe ya-
Promises- Disappear-Priceless
land-Destiny-
Well I heard it on the Radio-And saw it on the Television
But promises can be broken just like writing in the sand.”
That says it all.
“Aboriginal people have been here for 40,000, 50,000, 60,000 years, they had it stolen off them, they had it ripped off them, they didn’t sell for house up the coast etc.”. Midnight Oil.
AW
I'm bloody confused with the whole argument going on about stolen land etc. Most of the protesters claiming the country was invaded have Anglo Saxon, Scottish, Irish, European etc etc surnames so way back they would have ancestors in these countries. And possibly some of them would have the same surname as some of those in the original landing party. I welcome comments but please don't drag me down because I am CONFUSED!
saurusv1 wrote:I'm bloody confused with the whole argument going on about stolen land etc. Most of the protesters claiming the country was invaded have Anglo Saxon, Scottish, Irish, European etc etc surnames so way back they would have ancestors in these countries. And possibly some of them would have the same surname as some of those in the original landing party. I welcome comments but please don't drag me down because I am CONFUSED!
saurusv1. Hi mate. Good reply.
There’s no confusion, aboriginal people had their land and their entire existence stolen from them. AW
Thanks @ Seeds, I was under the impression that if you had an Anglo Saxon surname then your father or grandfather/s would have ancestors from those countries. So your mother may have been aboriginal or part aboriginal and therefore you have "blood" from both ancestors
A Salty Dog wrote:We’ve already had a coup and we weren’t even a republic.
I remember it well. Even Norman Gunston was there.
That's a really good point - we've got a mechanism in our system to overcome a Trump/Kamala (insert your preference), or lizard conspiracy takeover, or Government owned by overseas interests... Republics not so much, and usually it gets to the state where someone in the military (like a Franco or a Pinochet or a Napoleon or an Idi Amin) acts.
Of course it's only as good as the monarch who is running the show, and that monarch should be very attentive to the fact that errors can be made by self or representatives (eg Charles II) - however, we still have this mechanism.
Fijian government overthrown by military. Not a republic.
Roman republic overthrown by dictator.
Galactic republic overthrown by Sith Lord.
hehe i knew you'd be neck deep in it VJ. You'd be way more knowledgeable than me.
Now about that Galactic republic being overthrown...is that final or...?
(might have to renew my disney plus subscription!)
"I am the senate!"
What I'm trying to get across is Republics are as good as their founding members, and said members ability to codify for a beneficial human experience in constitutions and legal setup of the Republic. Would any of you trust today's parliamentarians to draft as good a document as the US Articles of Confederation, Constitution and Bill of Rights? Those have lasted over 220 years so far and was set up by exceptional people, exceptional for any age.
What we have at present is a constitutional monarchy that rests on over 1000 years of evolving law - the big questions have been asked, answers found (often the hard way - ask some of my ancestors who may have been caught between Cavaliers and Rounders multiple times) and it's evolving to this day. It ended slavery in 1833 (you can see the statue of the liberal PM who did it in Newcastle still), extended the suffrage (before it was extended to women, some of my Scottish ancestors fought very hard to extend it to heads of middle class families - we have curios that celebrate some of the figureheads still). Before this, King John's nobles cornered him and extended a say to themselves, forcing the Magna Carta. It generally works on incorporating and including, over time. When it gets things wrong, like with Australian indigenous peoples, or with Ireland, or more recently with the Chagos islanders, it corrects this. It takes time. Kings now know where the limit of their power is, but it was a very bloody period that determined this, and also led to a Bill of Rights a full century before the Americans did it. It's a good system with good balances and keeps evolving as it's people do. No wonder why so many people want to come and live within this system.
Agree VJ and good post udo.
One of these two people in the media right now is a very well educated, intelligent, considered, sensitive and humorous individual.
The other one is a dullard, a bogun blinkered bore. To tie your mast to the Thorpe train is to tarnish oneself imo.
This is the kind of thing that will work, UK paper reporting the elders passing their concerns to the King:
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/royal-family/2024/10/22/king-queen-sydney-ab...
I reckon they will find a sympathetic ear in King Charles (excuse pun) - if you look at his interests, he cares deeply for the environment and has been engaged with local and indigenous groups since he was young (to the point of learning Welsh when studying there). Further discussion directly with the crown is a good thing.
Being a monarch, he will probably leave what happens to the parliament, and that's where we all debate and have our say. I reckon he'd be sympathetic though.
velocityjohnno wrote:A Salty Dog wrote:We’ve already had a coup and we weren’t even a republic.
I remember it well. Even Norman Gunston was there.
That's a really good point - we've got a mechanism in our system to overcome a Trump/Kamala (insert your preference), or lizard conspiracy takeover, or Government owned by overseas interests... Republics not so much, and usually it gets to the state where someone in the military (like a Franco or a Pinochet or a Napoleon or an Idi Amin) acts.
Of course it's only as good as the monarch who is running the show, and that monarch should be very attentive to the fact that errors can be made by self or representatives (eg Charles II) - however, we still have this mechanism.
Hi Vj,
The Westminster system, is one of the better forms of democracy that money can buy.
There are mechanisms within, or checks and balances if you like, to ensure the system runs smoothly.
But there are also conventions as old as the system itself that have been applied many times.
During our own "coup" in 1975, it was the Liberal and Country Parties who decided established convention should be thrown out the door.
There were two instances. Firstly the refusal of Bjelke-Petersen to appoint the ALP nominated replacement for Bert Milliner and appoint his own stooge Albert Field.
The second was when Field was unable to take his place in the senate due to a legal challenge and the Liberal/Country Parties refused to provide a "pair'. This gave them a majority in the senate and the rest is history.
Another failing was the the monarchs representatives acceptance of this disregard to follow convention.
In all of this Whitlam held his grace and dignity.
In virtually any other country on the planet, there would have been severe civil unrest, if not revolution. Trumps actions at Capitol Hill are a prime example.
In a system like ours, it's to the benefit of all if the participants play according to the rules all the time not just when it suits them.
Cheers.
A short but excellent discussion between Richard Glover and Rory Stewart about modern politics and the art of disagreeing agreeably.
Fella is the co-host of the most popular podcast in the world...and I'd never heard of it.
https://www.abc.net.au/listen/programs/sydney-drive/rory-stewart-politics-on-the-edge/104499066
Well worth going back to the start of their playlist Stu, I’ve yet to hear a dud interview
Fliplid wrote:Well worth going back to the start of their playlist Stu, I’ve yet to hear a dud interview
That's my plan. It's a nice thrill discovering things like this and having a full back catalogue to work through.
views from the cockpit wrote:Agree VJ and good post udo.
One of these two people in the media right now is a very well educated, intelligent, considered, sensitive and humorous individual.
The other one is a dullard, a bogun blinkered bore. To tie your mast to the Thorpe train is to tarnish oneself imo.
Disagree. I think sometimes it takes a radical outburst, or ten, ruffle the feathers, keep the establishment uncomfortable, to get the spotlight shining and to help effect change. Granted, it doesn't shine a great light on Lyds, nor those who support it, i support it. But i don't think it's about shining a good light on her in the view of the Australian public. I don't think she cares and i think she'd have alot of supporters that aren't Nova Perris.
Just my opinion, and yeah, great post and points above VJ. I reckon Charlie would be keen to see change anyway. He doesn't strike me as the kinda fella that would feel comfortable with the way things are here.
Fliplid wrote:Well worth going back to the start of their playlist Stu, I’ve yet to hear a dud interview
It is very good.
They run two podcasts so thought ‘Leading’ was the one the Glover interview was referring to, more interview based rather than commentary.
https://podcasts.apple.com/au/podcast/leading/id1665265193
Yes blackers, Empire and Rest is History are a couple of other favourites of mine, makes you realise just how transient all our civil and political structures are
The Nate Silver interview is all time.
https://www.podbean.com/media/share/dir-is4as-20fa8b0d?utm_campaign=w_sh...
The "I can't believe it's not politics" thread.