The Necessity of Reparation for Historic Injustices

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bluediamond started the topic in Sunday, 25 Jul 2021 at 1:26pm

Uni assignment i did a few years ago. This is my take on things. I'm sure this will ruffle many feathers. I hope so.
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The Necessity of Reparation for Historic Injustices

Introduction – Compensatory Justice
Disparities between the standards of living of humans on this planet have long been a part of our history on this planet. From the wealthy nations of the West to the developing and undeveloped nations on this globe, the diversity in the quality of life when viewed from a moral standpoint are without a doubt grossly unfair.
In this paper I will look at why historic injustices do require some form of reparation. I take a strong stance that we are more obliged to solve current injustices than to provide reparation for every act of injustice in the past. In doing this I will first investigate the historic injustice of the Aboriginal people of Australia and I will look at the argument that they are entitled to some form of reparation and why.
I will incoroporate some interesting views from Jeremy Waldron, Robert Nozick and others which will help me slowly build to my conclusion that reparation should be in the form of Non Indigenous Australians surrendering some of our priveleges as a form of reparation.

Historic Injustices to Indigenous Australians:
Australia the continent was well inhabited for many years long before white settlement. It is commonly known that in 1788 Australia was colonised as a country under the rule of the British Empire, with total contempt for the fact that it was already inhabited by a native indigenous race of people.
The way the original inhabitants have been treated, including forced assimilation, execution, stolen families and not even allowed to be recognised as citizens for a large part of white Australia’s history are also well known facts. (Poole, 1999,pp114-142)
There exists now a situation where there is a large divide between Aboriginal and non Aboriginal Australian’s that can be traced back to the moment Australia was invaded by English settlers and the brutal and unfair treatment that has followed.
So at this point now, in 2013 what is the just and fair way to make amends for past actions?
I would argue that a moderate to large amount of reparation is overdue for this nation of people, the Aboriginal people. But there are many challenges to this view point especially that of how much reparation, and what sort of compensation.

Past injustices or present suffering?
One of the questions raised in an issue like this is whether it is better to provide compensation or reparation for past deeds, which have already been done in a previous generation and cannot be changed, or whether it is better to now provide assistance to those who are suffering in their current situations and consider that as a form of moral duty.
To understand this we need to delve a little deeper into this issue and hear some differing viewpoints.
Firstly we need to understand what the best way to provide reparation. How do we judge what is the best way of giving back and how much? Jeremy Waldron states “The historic record has a fragility that consists, …in the sheer contingency of what happened in the past” (Waldron,1992,p5 )
This is saying that we can’t trace every single injustice back to the original act therefore reparation for every act would be almost impossible because it would ultimately be guess work.
In this statement he has an objection from Robert Nozick who believes it is in fact possible to address this problem by “changing the present so that it resembles how the past would have looked had the injustice not taken place” (McKenzie, 2013)
This would be a way to ultimately provide maximum reparation, but is it the correct approach? I believe this is a fairly radical approach, although it does have some merits in the fact it would be working in a positive way for indigenous people, I don’t think it is entirely the right way to deal with these issues but it is on the right track.
Waldron argues that it is based on too many unknowns. “The status of counterfactual reasoning about the exercising of human reasoning of human freedom is unclear”(Waldron 1993,p10)
Which leaves the question somewhat open about the sort of reparation that is required, but provides one clear answer to the key question. Both agree that yes, reparation to some extent is required. But how much and in what form?
Another philosopher who leans more towards Waldron’s views is Kymlicka. He is somewhat more straightforward in his assessment that property rights in particular for Aboriginals would create “massive unfairness” and also he maintains the argument “Aboriginal rights must be grounded in concerns about equality and contemporary disadvantage. (McKenzie, 2013) I agree with both these views but I don’t think they provide any active solutions.

The Solution?
So if its not handing back all of Australia’s land to the original inhabitants that is the most appropriate way to deal with past injustices, then what is?
I look at the current country I grew up in, as a white Australian. I ask myself why I never had Aboriginal friends growing up, no understanding of Aboriginal culture and why my basic understanding of Indigenous Australians is mostly 200 years old. I look at our flag, a symbol of a nation that stole a country from its original inhabitants, with no recognition of the Indigenous people at all on it. I see that Australia considered Indigenous people as less than people until only 40 years ago and I see the way that Indigenous Australians live a completely separate life to the way of life I know as an Australian. I see that the only indigenous politician I am aware of is a former Olympian and it is because of this fact of her sporting status that I know this. I see no collective power or representation of Indigenous Australians and I see non Indigenous Australians,( a culture built on a history of stealing a land and mistreating its people) still taking, taking as much out of this land as they can, with little to no regard of sharing or giving to the original inhabitants. I see a government that says lots of words about ‘closing the gap’ and bringing the living standards of non- indigenous and indigenous Australians closer together, but apart from nice words, there is no conviction, no follow through, just assimilation , and all that still remains are injustices.
As stated by Sparrow, “Continuity gives rise to responsibility on part of present generations of Australians for our history”.(McKenzie,2013). Although deeds happened in the past beyond our control, what we do now to either ignore, or rectify these issues will reflect on us in history. So if we choose to do nothing, we are contributing to the history of the mistreatment of non- indigenous Australians. And this is simply unacceptable in my opinion.

Conclusion
So what is fair? I believe that the way forward is a surrendering of some of our privileges as non- indigenous Australians. The simple fact is it was morally wrong without a doubt what has happened in the past. And it is also morally wrong without a doubt to ignore these facts and not offer some form of reparation in the present. But how much?
I think that going back to Robert Nozick’s argument is a start. I think Nozick is wrong to make the present resemble the past in every aspect. But I do think that it would be reasonable to restore some aspects of the way things should be. The things that happened in the past were out of our control and we can’t go back to changing the way things were. But we could change the way things are.
For some examples. Why not give at least 50% of political power to indigenous people? It surely would be a fair thing to do considering this is their country. Media control. 50 percent. Industry. Realestate. The list goes on. Why do we not acknowledge the indigenous people on our flag, or better still use their flag? Why is Australia still a part of the Commonwealth when it serves little purpose to any of us and serves as a constant reminder to Indigenous Australians that they are still controlled by the original invaders. These to me are fairly simple reparations that would have minimal impact on Australia as a whole. Perhaps, it would alter the way we live but I think it is our responsibility, morally to forfeit some of our privileges for the greater good. Basically a little bit goes a long way.
In closing, it is a fact that a huge injustice occurred to the Indigenous population and suffering continues to this day. There is no easy solution to such a burden of pain. I believe the only solutions are for the non- Indigenous population to take responsibility and sacrifice our own way of life to bring about an overall equality. Sacrifice is not an easy word. But it all comes down to right and wrong. We are in a position to give, in this current generation. What are we so scared to lose, that was never ours in the first place??

Bibliography
McKenzie,C.”Prof” (2013), Lecture, Historic Injustices and Indigenous Rights, Macquarie University
Poole, R. (1999). Nation and Identity.Routledge, London, pp.114-142
Waldron,J. (1992). ‘Superseding Historic Injustice’. Ethics, 103 (1), 4-28

References
Poole, R. (1999). Nation and Identity.Routledge, London, pp.114-142
Waldron,J. (1992). ‘Superseding Historic Injustice’. Ethics, 103 (1), 4-28

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southernraw Tuesday, 17 Sep 2024 at 5:22pm

The comments on this facebook post are bewildering and leave me feeling helpless and that education and awareness is futile. Can only hope these generations die off but then, they're gonna breed this mentality into their children too. Fucken sad state of affairs this country.
https://www.facebook.com/share/v/amTLfY34zoU316LS/

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udo Tuesday, 17 Sep 2024 at 8:13pm

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truebluebasher Wednesday, 18 Sep 2024 at 4:20pm

Things certainly feel like they're heating up again...
Gotta icky feelin' Dutto's now promised 3rd Voice Reffo / Fed Election is gonna get pretty ugly.
Media will ramp fear factor to deliver Dutto his divisive decisive dirty deed done dirt cheap
Do we really gotta kick the Locals where it hurts again...it's already happening isn't it...

No shortage of Media ramping [ Vote Hell No ] in Dutto's 3rd Voice Recital
Gold Logie goes to Prime Monster Voldemort!

Lets say we throw a sprinkle of Good news into the Voice to stop the rot.
Gonna try to sneak in 1 outta 4 ...without upsetting any Shock Jocks...
Let's see if we get away with it...promise not to tell...

The Good, The Elites, The Bad & The Ugly...that don't sound right...think tbb is up to somethin'! Shh!

*Croatia does First Nation...(See wot ya did there tbb...gonna pretend this is good news...Say Wot!)
Said...tbb thought a covert Euro operation could sneak under the radar...busted!

Jan 2013 Aboriginal Art Tour of Croatia
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May 2021 Croatian Kids interactive dedication to First Nation Art (Also young Oz/Croatian Artists about...cool)
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The Ugly
Bog standard [L] Appointed First Nation Thug extorts the Mob again.
That sounds like another Price Family Rort.
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I focus Wednesday, 18 Sep 2024 at 4:23pm
southernraw wrote:

The comments on this facebook post are bewildering and leave me feeling helpless and that education and awareness is futile. Can only hope these generations die off but then, they're gonna breed this mentality into their children too. Fucken sad state of affairs this country.
https://www.facebook.com/share/v/amTLfY34zoU316LS/

Yeah interesting or sad is it education, prudice, learnt behaviour ?

Or is our culture that bad would love to hear Stu's philosophical take on that.

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udo Wednesday, 18 Sep 2024 at 7:42pm

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southernraw Wednesday, 18 Sep 2024 at 8:17pm
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https://youtu.be/bvqlbdmhZWQ?si=CrxhLEPhzOFzdew1

96 % of the population feeling triggered by a welcome to country ceremony, and gasp...an outspoken indigenous elder on the big stage.
Not hearing too much outrage from indigenous crew except that loopy chick yapping away.
For what it's worth. The welcome to country doesn't bother me at all. i enjoy it as part of the ceremony and i applaud the guy having the guts to speak passionately representing his own people.
So what's your thoughts Udo?

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basesix Wednesday, 18 Sep 2024 at 8:29pm

I was at uni at the same time as Alex. Seemed a calmly spoken survivor of generational bullying. had a chip on his shoulder about being expected to go into medicine. weird cat. reckon he has the stuff to go all the way. Thanks for the recommend @southern, the ebook was available through the library at keith's work, I read it near Ceduna, I know keith miller to look at, quiet, unassuming little feller. (more than I can say for the editors! haha) His chapter 10 Balancing Individualism and Collectivism in an Australian Aboriginal Context was very thought provoking.

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southernraw Wednesday, 18 Sep 2024 at 8:43pm

Thanks @basesix. You're a gem. Will try to get a hold of more chapters.

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seeds Wednesday, 18 Sep 2024 at 9:02pm

Funny hearing the speaker saying we’re only asking to listen for two minutes in response to interjections to Alex’s speech.
That’s all it is at the footy too! Isn’t? That Alex is so put out by.

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southernraw Wednesday, 18 Sep 2024 at 9:12pm

yep @seeds. When you consider a footy game is 120 minutes, plus the time spent on ground before and during the quarter time breaks, roughly 180 minutes, that 2 minutes represents 1.1 percent of gametime for 3.8 percent of the Australian population. I can see why people are so up in arms!
Obviously post voice, with their tails up the outspoken majority of the Australian population will stop at nothing to....well i'll leave this bit blank and for others to ponder...

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AlfredWallace Thursday, 19 Sep 2024 at 6:32am
southernraw wrote:

yep @seeds. When you consider a footy game is 120 minutes, plus the time spent on ground before and during the quarter time breaks, roughly 180 minutes, that 2 minutes represents 1.1 percent of gametime for 3.8 percent of the Australian population. I can see why people are so up in arms!
Obviously post voice, with their tails up the outspoken majority of the Australian population will stop at nothing to....well i'll leave this bit blank and for others to ponder...

Hi guys. I’m appalled by the way we keep ‘fighting’ to smother any advancement in coupling our relationship with the original occupants of our land.

Is it that bloody hard to acknowledge their existence?

I’ll post a very sad story this evening, one of my surf mates has been married for near on 30 years to an aboriginal woman from WA. They live in Victoria, they have twins, boy and girl who for their whole time at high school were bullied from day one until graduation recently. In today’s age ? What the fuck is wrong with people ?
Its parents inherited viewpoints that’s the problem, learnt behaviours from previous generations, nothing more, nothing less. A very long way to go. AW

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southernraw Thursday, 19 Sep 2024 at 7:27am
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southernraw wrote:

yep @seeds. When you consider a footy game is 120 minutes, plus the time spent on ground before and during the quarter time breaks, roughly 180 minutes, that 2 minutes represents 1.1 percent of gametime for 3.8 percent of the Australian population. I can see why people are so up in arms!
Obviously post voice, with their tails up the outspoken majority of the Australian population will stop at nothing to....well i'll leave this bit blank and for others to ponder...

Hi guys. I’m appalled by the way we keep ‘fighting’ to smother any advancement in coupling our relationship with the original occupants of our land.

Is it that bloody hard to acknowledge their existence?

I’ll post a very sad story this evening, one of my surf mates has been married for near on 30 years to an aboriginal woman from WA. They live in Victoria, they have twins, boy and girl who for their whole time at high school were bullied from day one until graduation recently. In today’s age ? What the fuck is wrong with people ?
Its parents inherited viewpoints that’s the problem, learnt behaviours from previous generations, nothing more, nothing less. A very long way to go. AW

Geez that's horrible to hear AW. Fark not surprising though. Inherited yes. Agree 100percent. When you look through the comments and you see 'im sick of this shit' and 'it's our country too' etc etc, the pig headed ignorance of simple recognition for the people who were here makes me pretty angry. I can't imagine what it would be like to live that experience. If only others could try to put themselves into the shoes of indigenous people through the lens of various different social settings and see how starkly different being an 'australian' is but nup, it's a society of take take take, capitalism and individualism, giving is not part of the structure, not even giving a little thought and time.