Size a little underwhelming but cleaner conditions ahead to end the week
Sydney Hunter Illawarra Surf Forecast by Steve Shearer (issued Wed Sep15)
Forecast Summary (tl;dr)
- Mod SSE swell Thurs hampered by persistent S winds, possibly a window of lighter SW winds early AM
- Better quality SE/ESE swell Fri, reinforcing pulse PM, with lighter winds
- Fun ESE swell Sat AM with good winds, winds tending NE and freshening PM
- More S swell Tues, possibly sizey on Wed. Check back for revision Fri
Recap
Southerly winds have generally hampered conditions over the last couple of days, with junky short period S windswell the dominant swell train. Size has bumped up a notch today as a Tasman low and associated cradling fetch starts to build wave heights across the region. Surf was a choppy 3-4ft across exposed breaks, with some smaller and surfable 2ft surf in more sheltered areas. Nothing great, but enough to get wet and find a fun wave if you weren’t too fussy.
This week (Sep 15-17)
This week's Tasman low formed yesterday, roughly due east of Coffs Harbour and is now in the process of drifting ESE towards the North Island. The latest ASCAT (satellite windspeed) passes show a healthy looking system, though with only a tight core of severe gales aimed up the Tasman Pipe towards South Pacific targets. The broad supporting fetch of SSE/SE winds is better aimed at the East Coast but not especially strong and the system is quite mobile, drifting away through today and briefly flaring up tomorrow as it moves over New Zealand overnight Thursday. A residual trailing fetch out of Cook Strait and adjacent to the North Island through Fri is now weaker than Mondays f/cast notes but will provide a small tail end to the swell.
High pressure drifting east of Tasmania through tomorrow sees pressure gradients weaken during the day but a S’ly flow is still on the cards. A diurnal SW or SSW flow is likely, especially north of the Harbour, but S’ly winds are likely to kick up a notch at some point before tending SE and laying down through the day.
Surf wise, size is expected to peak in the 3-4ft range, bigger 3-5ft at exposed coasts like the Hunter, with quality slowly increasing as the shorter period swell trains drop out of the mix. This pulse is then expected to back down a notch during the day, but with winds easing it’s likely to open up some more exposed breaks, if you don’t mind a bit of surface bump and lump.
Friday looks a better for the first proper clean day of the working week. With high pressure drifting north-east adjacent to the central NSW coast a longer period of light offshore breezes should extend into the mid-late morning before winds tend N to NE and freshen through the a’noon. Unfortunately size will be a little on the small side after all that wind we endured. Open exposed beaches will be in the 3ft range, likely bigger 4ft on the Hunter, before a longer period SE/ESE pulse fills in later in the day. This will come with plenty of N’ly wind so you’ll need to find a S facing beach or sheltering headland to hide behind as wind speeds from the a’noon N’ly approach 20 knots.
This weekend (Sep 18-19)
Not much change to the weekend f/cast. Sat AM looks the best of it, with a kick in ESE swell late Fri holding into Sat morning and waves in the 3ft+ range, possibly some 4ft sets at exposed magnets. Light NW to N winds early before winds freshen during the day. These winds should tend NW and even WNW later in the day as a front sweeps in from the west. This opens up a PM session though with size easing from the morning, back into the 2-3ft range.
Sunday's f/cast will still need a little finessing in Friday's notes depending on the strength of the trailing fetch out of Cook Strait later Fri. At this stage, keep expectations pegged, but some 2-3ft surf is likely, and with fresh offshore winds on offer as the first in a series of fronts sweeps across the state it’ll be worth pursuing. Small amounts of NE windswell could be in the mix as well, depending on the strength of N’lies proximate to the coast on Saturday. Surf could get a slight upgrade on Fri if the Cook Strait fetch over-achieves. Winds will tend W to NW through the day, with a late, light Seabreeze possible.
Next week (Sep 20) and beyond
Plenty of approaching action from the Southern Ocean next week as a series of polar lows approach and pass through the Tasman, with associated cold fronts. Still some model divergence on the fate of these fronts as they approach the Tasman, so revision is likely on Friday.
W’ly winds are likely to iron out surf to tiny/flat on Mon so we can dial that in.
Gales out of Bass Strait Mon, despite being very zonal (W to E) and aimed at New Zealand targets are likely to see a small amount of refracted S swell Tuesday morning, with W’ly winds tending more WSW to SW through the day as a more serious cold front fetch pushes NE into the Tasman late in the day. This is likely to see a steep increase in S swell later Tuesday, possibly up into the 5-6ft range at S facing beaches.
GFS has a much stronger fetch- basically covering the entire Central Tasman with SW gales- than EC, bringing a substantial S swell into play for Wed with fresh SW winds, easing during the day as the front pushes across the Tasman and pressure gradients ease.
More fronts pass from the middle of next week, more zonal than meridional, suggesting a series smaller S pulses into latter next week and the weekend. This will be subject to revision on Fri so check back then for a full analysis.
Comments
Frothing
Can someone please flip this 'one week pumping, one week small' pattern that we've been seeing for the last couple of months so that I can get some waves?!
These forecasts need to split in Sydney and go each way. Underwhelming results down south lately.
We all know newy stick out and cops the south. Stop showing off and just give us the facts on the south coast.
Swell looks to have swung almost E unless my eyes are deceiving me. Shame about the winds, and the crowd. Was having a good sesh (well 20 mins) before the covid circus arrived.
Good kick from the East this arvo. Sets were consistent and unlike earlier in the week, heaps of waves in the sets. Take the 3rd wave of the set as its the bomb, ride through - but then try and paddle back out and cop at least another 5 set waves on the head! Good times
I've noticed that the wave models routinely undercall these ESE swells from the Cook Strait area. Had some great sessions from similar swells
No they don’t Gunther, despite what you see before your eyes the models are right, you’re wrong
Oh NO!!! YOU AGAIN!!!!!
He he
Manly Mans Blood pressure just went up...
You must be fun at parties
Have a look at a few other forecasting sites Gunther. One of them (which some say you’d be a fool to look at!) said 10s ESE 105deg swell with 3-5ft faces...that about what you saw last night?
3-5ft faces= 2-3ft surf.
I think this was bigger.
Also, that model completely missed last Saturdays S swell pulse.
were saying 1-2ft when it was 3-4.
Missed quite a few of those flukey S pulses.
Just saying TD.
Yeah was 4-5ft, ie 8-10ft faces. Every model undercalled the swell spreading in from the ESE.
Nope, model called it 5ft with 3-5ft faces. Was pretty well spot on 3-5ft faces everywhere I saw. Their model got it spot on...and I was asking Gunther by the way.
Other site’s model did call last Saturday’s south swell, just had to look at the secondary swell they list. 12s 5-6ft from the south on the secondary swell from memory. And they now have 2 options of models to choose from too, other one called the south swell but a little bit smaller. When I got to the beach it was pretty well spot on as I expected...both model options appeared more accurate than this site though. Just sayin, what would I know
As I've said before this is the value of the Forecaster Notes as the models (not just ours, everyone's) miss/undercall/overcall certain swells and situations but reading the notes you'll get a much greater appreciation of what's in store and also those possible times to keep an eye out for more/less size than forecast.
Generally the difference in model output between us and our competitors is marginal.
And yesterday was double 3-5ft faces.
Double 3-5ft faces...not at N Steyne, Freshy or Curly, maybe on the outer edges of Long Reef perhaps. If that’s your 6-10ft you’re a bigger wuss than me, and I’m a massive wuss.
Dunno about that paid subscription thing Craig, if you incorporate multiple sites and get to know the trends of each I don’t think you need the notes.
You guys should start having a look at MagicSeaweed occasionally. I know you don’t look at it given you consider it notoriously inaccurate and it’s a rival site (unless of course you take the occasional peek, don’t tell Ben!) but sometimes you might be surprised.
It’s definitely good for Bali and Indo. Forget what they say about predicted wave height, very accurate for direction and period
Not from the Cook Strait source Gunther, that fetch has only set up overnight and into this morning.
it was a flare up of the supporting fetch cradling the low that generated yesterdays pulse.
dynamic systems these Tasman lows.
thats not to disagree with your point though, those Cook Strait fetches very often to over-achieve in central NSW.
this one looks a little more SSE oriented than the normal E/ESE orientation.
Another super hectic day ahead on the f/cast bench.
V. dynamic Tasman sea next week, lots of model divergence.
Will be a surf pattern though, stay tuned.
Looking forward to the forecast Steve after seeing another onion ring on this morning's run :-)
Yeah tricky one EC doesn't want a bar of it still..
yep, three consecutive model runs for GFS puts another low in the Tasman and EC is not moving.
can I have a week of NE windswell please to catch my breath.
Haha, yeah it's been non-stop!
great end to winter/start to spring
Swell lines seem to be long here (yesterday arvo and this morning) with lots of straight handers. Keep the waves coming Steve - with school holiday crowds joining the covid crew we are going to need plenty.
The local was an absolute minefield of bodies at first light this morning. I've never seen so many underskilled, clueless and completely oblivious surfers in a single session like that before. Can't wait for the school holidays to kick off...
Come school holidays those gronks will be the region’s problem not yours.
North Steyne, easy 5ft, maybe even bigger. So that's 10ft face..
No probs Craig, thats a 10 foot face.
Maybe run it past the other North Steyne locals and tell them you got some 10 footers out there yesterday.
Either way, the Swellnet modelling missed yesterdays ESE swell, last Sat's S swell and significantly undercalled an E swell from 2 Fridays ago...that's 3 in 2 weeks when other sites were much closer to the mark.
Get defensive about that or take the feedback objectively: your modelling needs tweaking.
Maybe inaccurate modelling encourages people to subscribe? Good for business?
WTF, I'm the one saying it was 4-5ft, you're the one calling a head-high wave 5ft. FFS. I give up.
I’m with you on this Craig. Yesterday (Thursday) around 1pm it really seemed to boot into an extra gear. Constantly paddling further out as the size increased to at least 6 foot.
Like I said Craig, run it past a few others who were out there on Thursday afternoon and tell them that it was 10 foot (faces), I'm sure you'll get a lot of support.
And your modelling has been wrong 3 times in the last 2 weeks, that's not in dispute.
Frank abuse of other posters seems to be tolerated (VicLocal), criticising this website and it's accuracy and or motives not so.
Nobody likes loud talkers guffawing in the surf, calling their mates into waves, even if perhaps it is somebody else's...you've been mentioned lots of times by various people out there at N Steyne.
But you were also nice to my son and his mate, there's good and bad in everyone.
Like VicLocal, I may be a nice guy in real life, just like you....but I'm quiet in the surf
Can you please expand on 'guffawing'?
I'm sorry if my over exuberance sometimes is a little loud. Knowing most in the water out there it's always generally a great vibe when we're all surfing and having fun.
When travelling I keep much more reserved especially at more localised spots and keep my head low, but Manly is in a city of millions, not sure what the issue is there?
The discussions with VL were of a different nature, regarding my forecasts of westerly swells which come in inconsistent etc rather than model guidance. We do take on board your comments, but at this stage there's not much we can do regarding the raw output of the model, but some upgrades should help in this area.
beautiful day!
didn't seem quite that size in the eastern suburbs.
Is that this morning or yesterday Craig? Dee why / poles was only 4' max this morning.
That's yesterday, 1:08pm.
The east pulse was a little smaller today and back to 3-4ft.
tylerdurden, we appreciate constructive criticism, but your persistent, pedantic whinging - after Craig has patiently explained the mechanics behind the model forecasts - is becoming quite a pain in the arse.
It'd be easier to justify (the time and effort from our end) if you were a subscriber, but in the 10.5 years that you've been registered with Swellnet, you've never once paid a cent for the service we provide.
And that's fine - we don't bemoan people who choose not to subscribe. Though, we do appreciate those who support our business (incidentally, the only Australian-owned surf forecast site left).
However, in my eyes, you're a rolled gold, fully fledged, card carrying troll.
Grizzling about everthing
https://www.swellnet.com/forums/wax/11406
More than ten years ago, too. Literally his first post on Swellnet.
Hahahah 10 years on and still saying the same thing! That’s amazing
Actually, my reading of that is that 10 years ago he was saying the forecasts were too accurate leading to punters crowding up sessions they would otherwise miss. Now he’s saying the models aren’t accurate.
Even worse, he's suggesting that we have financial motives for supposedly not trying to improve the forecast output: "Maybe inaccurate modelling encourages people to subscribe? Good for business?"
Yeah, right.
Thank you to whoever flicked the switch and provided some swell in my 'surfing week', I was starting to get pretty annoyed hearing of everyone getting pumping surf on my 'not surfing week' rotation.
Nice smooth 4ft+ runners with no crowd ... zero complaints.
For tylerdurden: That's 8ft faces, but 4ft waves ... just so that you don't get upset about me being happy with 4ft waves.
Hi Tyler my local south of Sydney was on the pump this morning with some head high faces. Now I’m an old fella in my late sixties been surfing for 55 years my eyesight and hearing is fading and I reckon the head high faces I rode today were 5.5 feet. Can you calculate and let me know how big I can tell me mates it was cause I’m catching up with them for a beer this arvo and I don’t want to be caught out with any overstatement. Please be generous it’s important to me what your opinion is! Carry on Ben Craig and Steve reports are gold thanks!
I got a funny feeling I know who that troll is. Notorious pest online and in life.