Large, easing, then levelling. But the winds? And that cyclone?

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South-east Queensland and Northern NSW Surf Forecast by Ben Matson (issued Monday 14th December)

Features of the Forecast (tl;dr)

  • Very large surf easing Tues (much smaller Sunny Coast), levelling out from Wed thru' the weekend
  • Risk of N/NE winds from Tues-Fri, though mainly south from Ballina (pockets of light winds possible)
  • Should be OK options in SE Qld and Far Northern NSW all week though may be bumpy at times
  • Generally fun weekend of waves at open beaches and outer points
  • Slow building E/NE cyclone swell from Sun, peaking later Mon/Tues, possibly quite solid, light winds keeping conditions clean

Recap: Saturday ended up a little better than expected thanks to winds being lighter S’ly across quite a few coasts through the day. The lighter winds was the result of a complex trough ahead of a convergence line that moved up from the south, stalling near the border late Saturday and dumping about 600mm of rain across some regions over the following 36 hours. Surf size built from the E/SE through Saturday and then rapidly increases into Sunday as gale to storm force winds from the SE thru’ E lashed the entire region. Wave heights seem to reach a late peak in the 10-12ft range, sustaining this size (with similar winds) through this morning, though we’ve seen conditions abate through the day. For what’s worth the focal point of the trough responsible for this impressive swell was located a little further north than Friday’s models suggested, resulting in a broader spread of maximum surf size up into Far Northern NSW and even parts of the Gold Coast. However the Sunshine Coast was much smaller, peaking around 8ft at exposed beaches, much smaller along the protected points. 

First Point Noosa humming around lunchtime

This week (Dec 15 - 18)

Righto. So, it’s currently very large, and the persistent gales of the large few days are starting to ease off.

I suppose at this juncture we can talk in broad brushstrokes, because the surf potential for the short term will be heavily dependent on just a couple of factors: (1) the state of the banks, following this scouring event, and (2) whether the modeled N/NE winds get up to strength. 

Size will likely ease rapidly into Tuesday (probably 6-8ft early some exposed coasts, mainly Northern NSW, tho’ much smaller on the Sunny Coast) and by Wednesday afternoon we’ll be into a background 3-5ft E’ly swell originating from a broad ridge stretching across the Northern Tasman Sea, out into the South Pacific. So, expect exposed locations to remain overpowered on Tuesday but it'll slowly start to throttle back.

It’s the N/NE winds that are of concern, especially for Northern NSW, particularly the Mid North Coast. 

Ordinarily, these kinds of coastal troughs usually move south, and then retreat eastwards back out into the Tasman Sea. As a result we see light winds in the wake of the trough and then some form of southerly as it moves east. 

In this case, the trough is going to slowly cross the coast, so the northerly quadrant winds on its eastern flank - that would normally remain well offshore - are instead pulled closer to the mainland, affecting surf quality.

The tricky part here is working out which coasts will be most affected. Not only do we not want to waste a swell event like this, it’s also likely that the model guidance is perhaps overstating the synoptic effects across some regions. 

Now, for clarity, model guidance is calling for 4 days of 15-20kt+ N/NE winds cross the Mid North Coast, lighter across SE Qld around 12-15kts. Certainly enough to spoil conditions no matter where you are.

However in this instance I think the models are exaggerating winds along the Gold and Sunshine Coast. The eastern extremities of our scalloped coastline usually pick up maximum wind strength, and with the surface trough still lingering about the inland region for the remainder of the week, I think there’s a fair chance its effects will extend to a handful of coastal regions, especially north from the Tweed Coast.

That’s not to say the wind won’t be out of the north, it’s just that we’re still likely to experience workable conditions in SE Qld for most of this week, especially later on once the swell drops to more manageable levels where protected northern corners can offer some shelter - in in fact the wind comes up. So don't write it off.

South from Byron, these pockets of more favourable conditions are less likely to eventuate but still likely that we’ll see OK winds from time to time=. So, prepare for the worst but keep a sneaky eye out for windows of opportunity. They’ll be ripe for the picking from Wednesday once things calm down a little more. 

This weekend (Dec 19 - 20)

Whatever N’ly winds we see this week, we’ll see even less of it on Saturday. A gusty S’ly change is then due into the Mid North Coast on Sunday, providing a small boost in short range S’ly swell to south facing beaches. Current expectations that the S’ly change will stall somewhere south of Yamba so Sunday will probably see light winds north across the Far Northern NSW and SE Qld regions. 

As for surf, persistent E’ly swells will dominate this weekend, sourced from the all-week stationary ridge across the Northern Tasman Sea and the South Pacific. The tail end of this fetch will be reinforced by a second cyclone (TC Zazu) which formed south of Samoa this morning, though TC Zazu will track rapidly east and won’t be a major contributor of swell overall. 

Wave heights should maintain 3-4ft, occ 3-5ft at exposed beaches all weekend, smaller running down the points, and offering plenty of options (banks pending, of course). It’s shaping up to a be a fairly standard round of trade swell, so there’ll be worthwhile options at many coasts. 
  
Next week (Dec 21 onwards)

TC Yasa was announced this morning, having formed NW of Fiji following a gradual evolution over the weekend. There are no steering influences across this region right now so TC Yasa will meander about for a few days, remaining slow moving between Fiji and Vanuatu, generally tucked up inside the swell shadow of New Caledonia. As such, its swell potential is somewhat diminished for the short term, even though winds will be approaching storm to hurricane force by Wednesday (Cat 3, i.e. Severe Tropical Cyclone).


The leading edge of new swell is on target to glance the coast over the weekend, though initially it won’t have a lot of size - the potential for cyclone swell will increase markedly next week, as TC Yasa is expected to enter our swell window properly late Friday or early Saturday.

Ordinarily I’m reluctant to look too closely at long range modelling for tropical cyclones as it’s usually erratic and unreliable. But, so far all of the global models have been pretty good with this system (probably due to a lack of steering influences) and at this point in time they’re all consistent with a pathway into our swell window by Saturday, followed by a slow southward trajectory towards New Zealand, and then a slight curve to the south-west, into the Tasman Sea. 

This storm track actually looks like it’ll favour Southern NSW more so than Northern NSW and SE Qld, though we will pick sup some decent E’ly groundswell early in the week, from the weekend’s developments within our swell window. Let’s peg waves in the 6-8ft range around Tuesday (bigger Northern NSW, slightly smaller SE Qld), though if we see a further anti-clockwise curve in the storm track - i.e. to the west - then this outlook may be revised upwards, post-haste. 

Regardless, it’s looking to be a very active period of quality surf in the leadup towards Xmas. With work shutting down for a lot of crew next week there’s going to be plenty of reasons to justify hitting the road looking for waves. 

Exciting times! More in Wednesday's update. 

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thermalben Monday, 14 Dec 2020 at 7:44pm

BTW thanks for the comments/reports in Friday's notes.. 148 all up! Not bad.

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adsi Monday, 14 Dec 2020 at 7:50pm

Great summary Ben, fingers crossed there are some banks around after this on the open beaches and the crowd is spread out!

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thermalben Monday, 14 Dec 2020 at 7:56pm

Thanks mate. A bit brain dead today (hence the late delivery), been a lotta work on of late, and I got bugger all sleep over the weekend, anticipating the roof to peel off the house under these incredible winds.

Actually relocated to the spare room to get away from the lurching balcony noises, only to have a wayward mango swinging on a branch every couple of minutes, banging the roof and stopping me from falling asleep (didn't realise it was a mango until I got up the next morning).

At least I'll have the pleasure of eating it in about four weeks.

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thermalben Monday, 14 Dec 2020 at 8:02pm

Maroochydore tide residuals were up to 1m higher than normal this morning. Amazing.

Northern NSW tide residuals were up to 0.6m (Tweed, Brunswick).

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Lougher Tuesday, 15 Dec 2020 at 8:18pm

Ben you you please explain this ? Cheers

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thermalben Tuesday, 15 Dec 2020 at 8:21pm

Top image... green line is the tideforecast, blue line is what was actually recorded. And, red is the difference (also known as the residual).

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Craig Wednesday, 16 Dec 2020 at 5:17am

More info here as well.. The Inverse Barometer Effect

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farquarson Monday, 14 Dec 2020 at 8:15pm

Some nice waves on the news tonight at a place in coffs called the boatramp.

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jme1618 Tuesday, 15 Dec 2020 at 6:27am

Shhhh

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freeride76 Monday, 14 Dec 2020 at 8:16pm

a bank buster of this magnitude to kick off La Nina is not the worst thing that could happen as far as surf quality goes......but it's up there.

Any upcoming cyclone swell is going to find it very hard to find any quality bathymetry to break on.

Looks like Superbank has fared the best.

blowing 30 knots due E and winds expected to be strong nor-east tomoz.

not even river novelty spots will be surf able.

could be a stint out of the water.

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richard187 Monday, 14 Dec 2020 at 8:26pm

Noosa BP to first point this arvo was best I've seen, just shame about the crowd and the sweep. I snagged no good waves, compared to what was out there. I can't imagine it will break like that again this year, or even next. Would have been best point break in the world today was 10/10!

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freeride76 Monday, 14 Dec 2020 at 8:31pm

must be some footy on the internet by now.

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Tristan Goose Monday, 14 Dec 2020 at 9:26pm

Managed to find some clips on the dreaded sunshine coast surfcheck group. Check the comments for two videos https://www.facebook.com/photo/?fbid=10158772932507095&set=gm.3503970066...

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crg Monday, 14 Dec 2020 at 8:33pm

Horribly battered by the wind for the entirety of this first phase of the swell. Didn't see anything remotely approaching 10-12ft at any stage, be lucky to have been 4-6ft. Not sure if that's been the wind decapitating the swells and outside banks breaking up the energy of the swell or it just missed this region altogether. Looks like our best bet will the back end of the swell trailing that brief southerly change or keep the fingers crossed for the TC.

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NickT Monday, 14 Dec 2020 at 9:16pm

Currumbin Alley cam today was wild, not surfable but it was every bit of 12ft plus, have a little scroll along the timeline of the replay at about 2pm. After one of the rain squalls it becomes allot clearer. There must be very deep water behind that rock

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crg Monday, 14 Dec 2020 at 9:35pm

I’m down the mid-north coast near Port Mac...we’ve missed out totally :(

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calk Monday, 14 Dec 2020 at 10:45pm

Hey Nick - I’m not very well versed when it comes to this sort of stuff... What makes you comment on the depth of water behind the rock?

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burleigh Monday, 14 Dec 2020 at 9:02pm

Bank busted, but im not too worried. Always fun waves on the other side after a storm like this.
Fingers crossed for some clean power in the morning. Wont be all time by any means but always fun to feel some energy in the water.

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Sprout Tuesday, 15 Dec 2020 at 9:18am

Reporters a bit over excited this morning.

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mr mick Tuesday, 15 Dec 2020 at 6:34pm

Reporter standing at Byron with the wreck in background calling 10m waves. Way over the top!

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thermalben Tuesday, 15 Dec 2020 at 10:50am

214mm overnight at Upper Springbrook. Total from this event so far, 967mm.

Let's round it off at a metre.

One metre of rain, in less than a week.

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ryder Tuesday, 15 Dec 2020 at 11:22am

Nearly twice as much Adelaide receives in a single year...

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freeride76 Tuesday, 15 Dec 2020 at 12:05pm

no where surf able that I could see.

save a few fat, onshore 2ft reforms at the Pass.

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tiger Tuesday, 15 Dec 2020 at 12:05pm

That's a crazy amount of water! We've been on the southern periphery of it and received <300mm as of this morning. But it's ramping up big time now, a lot of water falling on the range too. Bellinger/Nambucca/Macleay rivers are going to be bursting! Water going to be horrific!

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Blowin Tuesday, 15 Dec 2020 at 3:01pm

Waterfall way ( road to Dorrigo ) living up to its name

https://www.smh.com.au/national/nsw/a-lot-of-rain-to-go-somewhere-up-to-...

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dawnperiscope Tuesday, 15 Dec 2020 at 12:18pm

The run out tide has just hit snapper... eurgh

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freeride76 Tuesday, 15 Dec 2020 at 12:37pm

tweed cleans up the quickest, it's only a small river.

takes longer for the bigger rivers.

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Tristan Goose Tuesday, 15 Dec 2020 at 3:36pm

had a fun solo surf on a beachy north of Maroochy river today. definitely freaky out there with the murky water though

glad the banks on the sunny coast appear to have survived

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bluediamond Tuesday, 15 Dec 2020 at 4:03pm

Fark. I feel for my Fijian brothers and sisters. Fair and square in the firing line now :-(

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thermalben Tuesday, 15 Dec 2020 at 4:56pm

Had a fun surf this morning, good waves, minimal crew. Just gotta think outside the square a little. 

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donweather Tuesday, 15 Dec 2020 at 6:50pm

Perhaps near someone’s office?

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thermalben Tuesday, 15 Dec 2020 at 7:38pm

Nup!

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simsurf Tuesday, 15 Dec 2020 at 5:04pm

I checked kirra a number of times over Sunday and Monday and it was absolute dogs balls. The middle of Greenmount had a little wave machine going on Sunday. Still seems to be holding up today ok in the N winds, but I am giving it a miss until the brown sludge dissipates.

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Craig Tuesday, 15 Dec 2020 at 5:09pm

Dodged stumps, trees and brown water but got a coupla fun ones.

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donweather Tuesday, 15 Dec 2020 at 6:56pm

Still thinking 6-8ft from the latest EC charts Ben?

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burleigh Tuesday, 15 Dec 2020 at 8:26pm

Great call on the winds today Ben. For the northerly forecast it was still super workable and fun, exactly how you said.

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thermalben Wednesday, 16 Dec 2020 at 5:33am

Thanks mate, yeah stoked with how that all eventuated. 

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donweather Wednesday, 16 Dec 2020 at 6:41am

Gee it does not look good for Fiji.

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thermalben Wednesday, 16 Dec 2020 at 6:46am

No. Scary times ahead for them.

If there's a positive, TC Yasa is expected to accelerate its forward track just prior to reaching Fiji, so destructive winds will probably last a shorter time (the main concern this week was that it'd still be slow moving when it made landfall, which would greatly amplify its effects). 

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thermalben Wednesday, 16 Dec 2020 at 6:56am

Well, looks like the sand's gone at Snapper. 

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scrotina Wednesday, 16 Dec 2020 at 10:35am

how can you tell? from the cams?

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freeride76 Wednesday, 16 Dec 2020 at 7:07am

no sand left here. Banks destroyed.

on a scale of 1 to 10 as far as bank busters go, this has been a 10.

The great reset, as my mate quipped.

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Distracted Wednesday, 16 Dec 2020 at 8:26am

Might have to head inland for some entertainment while the banks are busted
https://7news.com.au/news/nsw/kayakers-plummet-down-gushing-dangar-falls...

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Craig Wednesday, 16 Dec 2020 at 8:30am

That's psycho.

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AndyM Wednesday, 16 Dec 2020 at 9:41am

Fucking hell.

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NoUseforaName Wednesday, 16 Dec 2020 at 5:37pm

Exactly the words I used when I watched it

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thermalben Wednesday, 16 Dec 2020 at 12:40pm

Welcome to brown town.

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AndyM Wednesday, 16 Dec 2020 at 1:02pm

One more time

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topgeer Wednesday, 16 Dec 2020 at 1:17pm

Be lots of gray suits on the hunt after that rain washes everything out to sea.

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Rockethut Wednesday, 16 Dec 2020 at 5:00pm

And pumping NE winds to end off this Wednesday. Wonderful week so far!

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freeride76 Wednesday, 16 Dec 2020 at 5:05pm

shit show.

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Craig Wednesday, 16 Dec 2020 at 5:09pm

How are the obs at Lismore, copping it. 182mm and counting.

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freeride76 Wednesday, 16 Dec 2020 at 5:13pm

Lismore is under water right now.

I was there Tuesday and the river was up over the bank on the molesworth side.

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Blowin Wednesday, 16 Dec 2020 at 8:57pm

Yewwww.....got my motorbike license test at Lismore on Friday.

Maybe submariners license more appropriate ?

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Rockethut Wednesday, 16 Dec 2020 at 6:23pm

Ben bring us some good news in the updated fcst. From Friday onwards looks so much better with lighter winds but still no offshore in sight (maybe end of next week)

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tomrnoir Wednesday, 16 Dec 2020 at 6:43pm

I'm not overly interested in surfing too much until the water clears up a little. Surfed Noosa & a central SC bay today (both usually the last to brown out) and feeling very iffy in the stomach. Ears are spent too. It's like I'm revisiting my childhood, filled with ear infections caused by surfing Gunners on the Ninch.

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thermalben Wednesday, 16 Dec 2020 at 6:26pm

Unfortunately I'm unable to get the FC Notes up today. I'll have them updated Thurs AM. Sorry for the inconvenience.

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tomrnoir Wednesday, 16 Dec 2020 at 6:37pm

No problem at all, mate. Clearly a very busy time for you! As earlier commented, your wind predictions have been excellent so thanks for that.

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Rockethut Wednesday, 16 Dec 2020 at 6:44pm

No problem Ben!

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freeride76 Wednesday, 16 Dec 2020 at 6:56pm

can you not read a weather map Rockethut?

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ringmaster Wednesday, 16 Dec 2020 at 7:38pm

It's all about you, isn't it Ben.

Think of the children!

(who can't read weather maps)

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donweather Wednesday, 16 Dec 2020 at 8:09pm
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Blowin Wednesday, 16 Dec 2020 at 9:00pm

Ben is currently off chops and singing Shania Twain karaoke.

He had a msg : Fuvk your updates. Time to get Xmas party weird like everyone else in Australia.

( supposition)

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crustylapel Wednesday, 16 Dec 2020 at 9:32pm

Ever think about doing a Video or voice recording of your forecasts?

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donweather Thursday, 17 Dec 2020 at 7:16am

Geezus JWTC going for gusts up to 170knts right as Yasa approaches the main islands of Fiji!!! 170knts!!!

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bluediamond Thursday, 17 Dec 2020 at 2:19pm

Fark. That's not good. The main eye looks to pass over the smaller island and maybe sparing the main population centre in Suva. Can't imagine the carnage if that was a direct hit there. Hope all stay safe over there. They're a wily bunch when it comes to walloping cyclones.

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fitzroy-21 Thursday, 17 Dec 2020 at 8:03pm

Jebus, I just saw some footage coming out of Fiji. Blowing hard already.

https://www.facebook.com/crisisresponse/192661225601680/?alias=192661225...

Gonna be a long hard night for them.