Long term period shaping up nicely for SE Qld and Northern NSW

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Ben Matson (thermalben)

South-east Queensland and Northern NSW Surf Forecast by Ben Matson (issued Wednesday 14th December)

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Best DaysThurs: chance for a few small lumpy beachbreaks as local winds temporarily ease. Sun: small late building SE swell that could provide some OK waves across the outer SE Qld points. Mon: small trade swell in SE Qld. Next Tues/Wed/Thurs/Fri/Sat: decent long range trade swell (local winds pending, looks best Thurs/Fri at this stage) 

Recap: Small peaky trade swells have offered 2-3ft sets across SE Qld beaches over the last few days, with smaller surf south of the border. Winds were light in some areas throughout Tuesday but fresh northerlies have returned today. 

This week (Dec 15th - 16th)

Although the ridge responsible for our small trade swell of the last few days has slowly retreated eastwards, the models are maintaining small levels of east swell from Thursday right through into the weekend. A small drop is likely but it’s possible that there’ll be enough energy to keep the open beaches active for a few more days. 

The reason for this is that despite the relatively near (i.e. southern Coral Sea) fetch weakening, a broader SE fetch across the southern flank of a tropical disturbance near Fiji is pumping out some sideband energy our way. Most of this fetch is aimed into the Vanuatu but it appears that the stationary nature of this fetch is overriding some of the directional deficiencies. So it should stop the open beaches form becoming flat. 

But… local winds will create issues. 

A shallow trough will move up into the Southern NSW coast overnight, stalling near Seal Rocks on Thursday morning and direction southerly winds north to about Port Macquarie. This will temporarily disrupt the existing northerly flow though without a synoptic offshore it’s hard to imagine surface quality will be great, even if the local wind completely abates. 

And then as this trough moves south into Friday, northerlies will resume across the broader region. 

So, Thursday has a chance for some lumpy open beaches - mainly in SE Qld as there’ll be very little trade swell south from about Byron or Ballina, and no other real swell sources for much of Thursday

Very late Thursday may see the leading edge of a small long period S’ly groundswell reaching the Lower Mid North Coast, originating from a tight low/frontal progression south of Tasmania today. It’s more likely to start showing through Friday and into Saturday but by then the northerly will be up so you’ll have to tuck into a sheltered northern corner. South swell magnets south from Byron could see some 2-3ft+ sets from this source on Friday (expect a later arrival in the north) but we won’t see much surf from it elsewhere.

This weekend (Dec 17th - 18th)

Northerlies will continue on Saturday, wrecking the final stages of Friday’s southerly swell. Reliable south swell magnets south of Byron may see early 2-3ft sets but it’ll ease during the day. Keep your expectations low.

Elsewhere these northerlies will create problems in SE Qld on Saturday, which is a shame as we should continue to see a small trade swell.

Sunday has a little more potential. We’ll probably see the trade energy maintaining inconsistent 2ft sets across most of the region (it may spread south to the Mid North Coast by the weekend, owing to its longevity and distant source), but more importantly - a gusty S’ly change is expected to push up the coast during the morning.  

It’ll probably be into Coffs or Yamba by dawn and then the Gold Coast by late morning, with southerlies expected to reach 20-25kts through the afternoon across all locations. Westerly winds will freshen ahead of the change.

A S/SE windswell will build late in the day, it’ll be horribly bumpy in Northern NSW (so protected southern corners will be the only option with the minor E’ly trade swell), however we may see some small late runners across the outer SE Qld points. Don’t get your hopes up - as we‘ll be starting from a very small base - but there’s a chance for a few 2ft+ sets for the late session.

Next week (Dec 19th onwards)

Sunday’s southerly change is expected to morph into a decent ridge across the southern Coral Sea, which should be a reasonable producer for some small short range trade swell across SE Qld. This should keep the region active through Monday with 2-3ft+ sets at open beaches and smaller waves across the outer points. 

We’ll see much smaller surf from this source of Byron or Ballina though as the fetch will be mainly aimed at locations north of here.

At the same time, the tropical system near Fiji is expected to broaden considerably (it could become a Tropical Cyclone by Friday or Saturday) and we’re looking at some very useful trade swell for the long term period. In fact this system - because of its stationary position - could produce a relatively long lived event. The TC itself won't be quite inside our swell window but a strong supporting high pressure ridge to the south will be the main engine room for swell generation.

As the short range trade swell from Monday eases into the afternoon and further into Tuesday, it’ll be replaced with building mid-period E/NE swell from our Fijian source. At this stage we’re looking at an extended plateau in the 4ft range across most beaches by about Wednesday or thereabouts (maybe a little smaller across the Mid North Coast), and it’s likely that we’ll see some form of trade swell holding all the way through until next Saturday or maybe Sunday - albeit tapering off slowly in size. 

The key to scoring good waves around this time will be to look for the best winds, and at this stage it appears that we’ll see NE breezes through the first half of the week before southerlies kick in on Thursday

I’ll refine all of that in more detail on Friday.

Comments

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donweather Wednesday, 14 Dec 2016 at 11:34pm

It's a wee bit more than a trade wind swell I'd say Ben. Swell periods are certainly up on what would typically be called a trade wind swell.

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freeride76 Thursday, 15 Dec 2016 at 7:22am

I agree Don, misnomer to call it a tradewind swell.

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thermalben Thursday, 15 Dec 2016 at 8:24am

I'm 50/50.

We can't call it a cyclone swell, and at 10 seconds it's only mid period energy, well within tech spec of a trade swell event (in WA, SA or Vic, no-one would pass a second glance at a swell event under 12 seconds). 

Obviously, there are some key synoptic differences here - which cannot be adequately modeled - that belie the true value of a 10 second E'ly swell in SE Qld compared to a 10 second SW swell in Vicco. But in the short time frame I have to prepare these notes it's hard to think up a more appropriate description without showing even more self indulgence.

Technically, the swell I'm expecting next week will originate from the broad E/SE flow across the northern flank of the high across New Zealand (as of last night I had discounted the cyclone as a swell source, and I think this is an important distinction). It may not be a classic trade setup but it's not too far off the mark.

Otherwise, how else should it be referenced?

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waxyfeet Thursday, 15 Dec 2016 at 10:05am

Maybe it's just me, but very few of us really understand all the tech discussions you boys have, and only really scratch the surface of understanding the forecaster notes.

All I wanna know, is will I be surfing a lot in the next two weeks… and I gather that I can… if I pick the timing right with the winds

Keep up the good work ben!

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donweather Thursday, 15 Dec 2016 at 11:29am

I personally call a trade wind swell as swell purely from a high pressure system. This wind fetch creating this swell is a combination of the high and tropical low. Remove the tropical low from the equation and you wouldn't have the size nor period currently being forecast just from the high pressure system alone. I agree it's not a cyclone swell and far from it. But it's certainly more than your bog standard tradewind swell IMO. Inconsistency of the sets to start with will differentiate it from a trade wind swell IMO.

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johnutah Thursday, 15 Dec 2016 at 11:45am

You can call it whatever you want on your own swell reporting website don.

I look at the comments hoping to find some localised additional info, not some self indulgent dick measuring.

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Manley Thursday, 15 Dec 2016 at 12:24pm

Best comment I've read on here in sometime.

Great, free service with excellent detailed forecasting. Amazing the amount of unnecessary critiquing and nitpicking (ergo dick measuring).

Keep up the good work Ben!

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donweather Thursday, 15 Dec 2016 at 2:43pm

No dick measuring here Johnny Utah. Ben and I go back a long way and he knows it's not a personal comment against him.

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thermalben Thursday, 15 Dec 2016 at 12:24pm

FWIW, I enjoy the banter. And I don't mind being called out or questioned about my estimates (or descriptions), as it keeps me on my toes.

Certainly can't bluff my way through a forecast afternoon! And that's the way it should be.

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Sheepdog Thursday, 15 Dec 2016 at 1:57pm

Donweather writes "I personally call a trade wind swell as swell purely from a high pressure system."

I fully agree..... Trade winds got their historic name from ocean TRADERS in sailing boats. The steady rythmic one directional 10 to 20k winds were perfect for travelling long distances to do TRADE..... So, TRADE swell is your meandering 8 second 3 foot stuff that stops east coast surfers from losing their shit between decent swells.... The tropical system pictured would be a nightmare for early TRADERS....

Johnutah and manley.... FFS get a room, you 2.... Doubt if Ben will join you though..... smh.

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freeride76 Thursday, 15 Dec 2016 at 2:10pm

it's just a bit of banter and everyone learns something.

Subject of a tropical disturbance summary by JTWC and for mine that lifts it out of the tradewind swell category, agree though with Ben that this is a matter of judgement.

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Sheepdog Thursday, 15 Dec 2016 at 2:29pm

Everything is a "matter of judgement" fr...... The "encyclopedia of surfing" states that a groundswell has to have a period of 15 seconds or more...... That means you've had probably 3 groundswells in the past 10 years... bahahahahahaha...

Surfline says 10 seconds or more is a groundswell.... Stormsurf says 13 seconds or more...
This is why non surfers think we are douches......
But using the actual REAL historic meaning of "tradewind", the predicted swell above is not a trade swell.... The source of the swell is a storm, prerequisite for a ground swell.... It is 1000s of km's away, prerequisite for a groundswell.... The swell is travelling beyond the wind source, prerequisite of a groundswell..... So, I could make out I have a huuuuuuge penis and say "ehhh it's just a trade swell", or I could look at all the data and historical facts (very popular in climate science I have heard ;) ), and come up with an informed opinion.
To me, this predicted swell is........ Wait for it......... I'm getting there..... It's gonna BLOW YOUR MIND......... It's a SMALL GROUNDSWELL.......... Whoahhhhh!!!!!
Now in this omg smh pmsl tbh ikr world where people just dont have the time to write SMALL GROUNDSWELL, I think we will simply call it an "SGS".....

"The system should produce an SGS at around 10 seconds plus"

There.... problem fuckn solved...... bahahahahahaha :p

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Sprout Thursday, 15 Dec 2016 at 5:23pm

That actually makes perfect sense.

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Halfscousehalfc... Thursday, 15 Dec 2016 at 4:07pm

Sd, You just went full mad hatter......

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Pumper Thursday, 15 Dec 2016 at 5:14pm

Can anyone see any positive indications for swells on the GC between Christmas & NY or is it still too far out ?

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Sprout Thursday, 15 Dec 2016 at 5:24pm

I quite enjoy all the back and forth on here, have learnt heaps, so crack on lads.

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Sheepdog Thursday, 15 Dec 2016 at 5:39pm

Halfcourse..... Maaaaate....... I need to improve my sarcastic humour obviously.... I'll try better next time lol

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Halfscousehalfc... Thursday, 15 Dec 2016 at 8:11pm

All good, very entertaining