Jack McCoy: 25 years after Bunyip Dreaming

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1991 was the year that punk broke, so said the excellent music documentary released by Geffen Records. In '91 Nirvana hit the mainstream and a gritty lo-fi aesthetic infected youth culture. In surfing this manifested itself as Taylor Steele's Momentum, a one-dimensional point and shoot DIY vid that spawned legions of imitators.

Before this, however, there were a few years that aren't easy to typecast; the superficial facade of the 1980s was over yet 1990s disillusionment hadn't kicked in. And into this seemingly empty space Jack McCoy filmed and released Bunyip Dreaming. The Bunyip - as Jack lovingly calls it - was a joyful and optimistic take on Australian surfing. It was beautifully filmed, diligently edited, and cut to an upbeat contemporary score. It stands in stark contrast to the swathes of artless films that came after the revolution.

Very few surf films age well, but McCoy's artistry gave Bunyip Dreaming extraordinary longevity. It's both a snapshot of a particular time and a timeless piece of surf cinema.

It's been 25 years since Jack McCoy released Bunyip Dreaming and Swellnet spoke to him about the occassion.

Bunyip Dreaming was your first Billabong movie. How'd that relationship begin?
Well the first surf company I worked with was Rip Curl.

For a Day in the Life of Wayne Lynch?
Yeah, and then I did Storm Riders with Rip Curl - they funded Storm Riders. And then I became a shareholder at Quiksilver so I made a couple of little films through them, but then about the same time Rabbit left Quiksilver I did too. Five years after that Gordon Merchant had heard that I had a girl with a baby on the way and he said to Dougal Walker, who was a manager at Billabong, “When you go on this next surf trip take McCoy with you.”

Dougal took me up north of WA with Munga Barry, Ronnie Burns, Dave Cantrell, Marcus Brabant, and Magoo [Darren Magee], and I stayed back an extra week 'cos they were sending Occy up there. Then I came back to Sydney and processed the film and did a little rough cut and Gordon and Dougal said “Fantastic, why don't you go on this trip we're doing to South Australia?” So I did that, then they asked if I'd go to the Gold Coast and do a sequence. Pretty soon I'd done all these little sequences and Gordon gave me a budget to make the movie for him.

What a lot of people don't realise is that I did a lot more for surf companies than just make movies. I played a part in marketing and also in strategy, you know, creating credibility in their marketing and advertising. So when Gordon asked me to work with him I'd been thinking long and hard about what it was I could contribute to their company, and at the same time Aboriginal affairs were a big topic. The bicentennial had just passed. My wife that I'd just married was part Aboriginal so I thought that it'd be a really good idea for Billabong to acknowledge where their name came from and also have a little moral within the story.

So I came up with Bunyip Dreaming and we spoke very loosely about the Dreamtime, the Aboriginal worldview, and we had little morals, little messages, in there. Around the same time I encouraged Gordon to do an indigenous surf contest and to sponsor indigenous surfers and I'd like to believe that Bunyip Dreaming was the seed that let people know that Billabong had a moral conscience. It gave them something to tie into current affairs in the sense of acknowledging Aboriginal culture.

And Billabong gave you full control over the message?
Well they didn't know that at the time. I didn’t tell Gordon what I was going to do, I just did it.

Well the message got through because before long Billabong changed their logo - albeit temporarily - to incorporate Aboriginal motifs.
There was all kinds of little things that happened in relation to that. However, if you look at the growth of the company at the time I came on board with the movies and things, the company started climbing rapidly. What I did was finish the movie and my wife and I put in an additional $10,000 of our own money into it, 'cos I wanted to make it a certain way. I finished the movie late one night, did the sound mix, and then I took a copy to the airport and gave it to Gordon who was doing a trade show in California. And he turned up in San Diego and told Bob Hurley, “Oh, I've got the new Billabong move from McCoy.”

They wheeled the TV and VHS player out the door and across the street to the hotel room and they watched it five times - over and over. In the middle of the night Gordon calls me up and goes, “Go make the next one!” And literally the next day I started working on The Green Iguana.

You really tapped into the spirit of the age with those movies.
What a lot of people don’t know is that I had a little warm up movie that I'd made three years prior called Surf Hits. It was a bunch of sequences and I worked with my partner Garth Murphy on what we called 'all rocking and no talking'. It was basically a group of sequences with little segueways so Bunyip Dreaming was really an incarnation of Surf Hits.

There may not have been much talking but Bunyip Dreaming had a story.
Yeah it did. You had to remember everything was shot on film and I had no sound recording, and the other thing about the Bunyip is that I shot every shot - land and water. That was my deal at the time, to be able to do everything, shoot every angle, and put a story together. Take for example the Munga sequence in Bunyip Dreaming...

The Supertubes sequence?
(laughs)….well, that's one of the waves. But what people don't realise is that it was shot at five different waves in three different states.

No way!
Yeah, that sequence was typical of how I shot. Say I'd shoot a land shot then I'd think about what I needed to get next and I would go out of my way to get that angle. Sometimes I'd shoot looking into the tube and sometimes in front of the wave having the guy go past me.

So you're mentally storyboarding the film?
Yeah. For me, the Momentum-style of shooting, which is go to the beach, set up your camera in one spot and shoot everything from the same angle just pissed me off. I was an editor and I wanted to give the audience something fresh to look at every time. I would mentally note that, say, 'I got a good shot from the land and I know if I pulled in at this angle I could get a water shot'. And I'd go out and shoot it.

So Bunyip was really the start of that creativity in my filmmaking with my water photography and shooting everything.

And it all meshed seamlessly with the music. Did you also have full control over the soundtrack?
I'd pick every song in all my movies. Sometimes I'd get tipped into something. But I'd really listen to music as a form of storytelling. Like with Occy in Bunyip Dreaming [Jack breaks into song]: “With his happy feet and he's wearing them proud.”

...or [Jack breaks into song again]: “Stop this car I wanna get off,” for the South Australia trip.

The lyrics narrate the film.
That's the idea, and believe me you gotta listen to songs till your ears bleed to find the ones that are gonna work.

I want to speak to you about Occy. You were fortunate to film Occy through his fallow period, some of it shown in Bunyip Dreaming, but also it gave you the footage for when it came time to make the Occumentary.
That trip that I did with Occy was the year before he had his sort of breakdown. At the conclusion of the shooting I sent him to Europe and he had his little sort of breakdown. But the first trip in Bunyip Dreaming was great, and then I did an extra trip with Occy - Shane Bevan was on it too - and Occy turned up with two surfboards, one was an Allan Byrne channel bottom but it was a very old prototype plastic Chinese popout board, and the other one was a Nev that he loved.

bd_oc_on_plastic_ab_copy.jpgWhen he arrived I looked at the bottom of the board and it had a big crease in the middle of the board. The first decent wave that hit it was going to snap it. There's a couple of shots where he does these cutbacks and you can see him gingerly lifting his foot up so as not to put too much pressure on the board. I told him, “Occy if you fucken snap that board I'm gonna kick you in the ass.” (laughs)

So he said [Jacks puts on an Occy jockey voice] “It's OK Jack, I wont break it.” And we got through till the last day when he broke it and that's when you see the sequence of him surfing that plastic board at Turtles. He's ripping on it. He's got his foot on the tail going nuts on it.

A quarter of a century has passed since you made Bunyip Dreaming. How does that make you feel?
Blink and you missed it. You don't realise how time flies when you're having fun, I guess.

You're going to be showing Bunyip Dreaming at the Yours and Owls festival in Wollongong next month. You'll be up on stage as well, is that correct?
Well I thought I'd tap dance to the movie, have a little spotlight with my top hat and tails.

Look out for rotten tomatoes...
Yeah, they've asked me to come down and introduce the show and I'll hang around afterwards if anyone wants to have a yak.

Get more details on the Yours and Owls festival
Visit Jack on the web - jackmccoy.com

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zenagain Monday, 21 Sep 2015 at 9:22am

Great interview.

Love McCoys work and great backstory on Occy nursing that board. I just thought it was really cool technique at the time.

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spelled3 Monday, 21 Sep 2015 at 9:59am

Best surf movie maker ever.

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p-funk Monday, 21 Sep 2015 at 10:09am

I wore out Green Iguana and Sik Joy in my younger years. Glad I picked up the DVD box set a few years back as I still throw them on occasionally when I get sick of the new style of movies Jack talks about. Occ/Louie etc throwing gallons to the likes of INXS/Yothu Yindi. Timeless.

I wish Quik would release their back catalog on DVD - 110/240, Surfers of Fortune, No Destination etc. Same with Rip Curl search vids.

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memlasurf Monday, 21 Sep 2015 at 1:10pm

I have to nit pick Stu (being anal here), punk broke a few times: Late 70's lo fi Velvet Underground, Iggy Pop; late 70's Anarchy in the UK; and then the Seattle project. Possibly in a music sense can add maybe the early 20's White Stripes, Black Keys, although by this stage the whole pop music seen was so fragmented and diversified there was no longer a 'mainstream' lo fi, garage band thing. It became like everything else another commodity just like surfing.

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stunet Monday, 21 Sep 2015 at 1:49pm

Yeah, kind of..."when punk broke" is a reference to a fairly famous (in music circles) documentary about the mainstream acceptance of then-underground American bands Nirvana, Sonic Youth, Dinosaur Jr, and Mudhoney. Of course punk had been around for many years since its Ramones/Pistols/Saints genesis but had never broken into the charts the way it did in 1991 on the back of 'Nevermind'.

The same way punk broke in 1991, DIY surf film making 'broke' in 1992 with Taylor Steele's Momentum which changed the landscape for dedicated film artists like Jack McCoy.

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memlasurf Monday, 21 Sep 2015 at 2:24pm

Thanks Stu, I knew you would have a good answer. It always strikes me as peculiar that mainstream acceptance = USA mainstream acceptance. I am from a generation older than you and the punk/new wave scene of the 70's was certainly Australian mainstream (and UK) with most of my generation liking the Cure and Cold Chisel (one new wave the other stock rock) unless you were of Mediterranean descent and preferred to shake your booty to 'Stayin Alive'. Ahh if the Yanks do it, it is always the first time and it is better and bigger. Of the bands you mentioned saw Dino Jr and they would have to be the loudest band I have ever heard. Couldn't hear J. Mascis sing just heaps of overdriven guitar courtesy of three 100watt marshall stacks and a range of Big Muff pedals. Great fun.

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stunet Monday, 21 Sep 2015 at 2:08pm

For board nerds: The 'Chinese popouts' Jack referred to were actually Bob McTavish's Pro Circuit Boards first manufactured by Bob in 1989. Allan Byrne was an early licensee.

Here's a Byrning Spears PCB in metallic blue:
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caml Tuesday, 22 Sep 2015 at 12:04am

Pro replicas . Kong model

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tonybarber Monday, 21 Sep 2015 at 3:09pm

Jack makes a bloody good movie - many movies at that. Great stories to listen to and movies to watch.

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simba Monday, 21 Sep 2015 at 3:30pm

Best years of my life, living at Angas rubbing shoulders with some of those guys ,living the dream and to watch those awesome movies and go surfing with the music running thru your head in perfect uncrowded waves was all time.The only unfortunate thing was pulling Andrew Ferguson( aboriginal surfer) out of the water at corindi beach where he had drowned,RIP mate, didnt know it was him at the time but loved that section he was in,in Bunyip dreaming.If your reading this Jack your a legend,love your work!

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wellymon Tuesday, 22 Sep 2015 at 2:06am

Wow hard to deal with that Simba, sorry for you champ.

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penmister Monday, 21 Sep 2015 at 4:29pm

Love the song on green iguana in sunnys part, freedom fighter pissed the house mates off playing that at 3 in the morning...margo rips!!!

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thermalben Monday, 21 Sep 2015 at 4:34pm
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indo-dreaming Monday, 21 Sep 2015 at 5:01pm

The surfing wasn't always epic but his vids had heap of soul and gave you a feeling of almost being there, also i remember at the time the footage seemed a lot better quality and crisper than the other vids of that era or earlier.

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Blowin Monday, 21 Sep 2015 at 7:54pm

I must have watched it at least a couple of hundred times.

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grufnut Monday, 21 Sep 2015 at 11:18pm

I still own a vhs player for the sole purpose of watching these vids the billabong challenge from 95 is an all time favourite! Thanks Jack, I'll get the box set when the tape finally burns out.

P funk, for sure man surfers of fortune was the tits....been looking for another copy for years!

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caml Tuesday, 22 Sep 2015 at 12:08am

Try to guess the right barrells (5) that jack merged into one .

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stunet Tuesday, 22 Sep 2015 at 8:30am

Good question...

Supers,
The Box,
The Island,
Monnies,
Cudgen.

Only positives are the first two.

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caml Tuesday, 22 Sep 2015 at 10:33pm

No box I believe stu.

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Eugene Green Tuesday, 22 Sep 2015 at 7:48pm

Supers
The noise a pig makes
Thing that makes ya car quieter
Stuff on the beach a funny colour (nsw)
Somewhere in SA?
Don't think box was in it.

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Blowin Tuesday, 22 Sep 2015 at 8:02pm

Don't think there's any SA footage of Munga in it.

I reckon Eugene could be closer.

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top-to-bottom-bells Tuesday, 22 Sep 2015 at 8:00pm

I'd say the nsw wave is big divots on a dirt road before stuff on the beach a funny colour.
Surely the SA wave is a hollow space in a rock face?

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caml Tuesday, 22 Sep 2015 at 10:39pm

No cave tbb

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udo Tuesday, 22 Sep 2015 at 8:17pm

Box
Island

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caml Tuesday, 22 Sep 2015 at 10:22pm

Eugene your right about the pig talk but box negative I believe . No exhaust pipe either I don't think . Maybe I can ask my mate buzz , who was hanging with them in margs & who is ridin a booj wave during the credits

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caml Tuesday, 22 Sep 2015 at 10:25pm

Oh yeah no monnys sure of that , but possibly another one of sa's finer locales

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caml Tuesday, 22 Sep 2015 at 10:40pm

Supers yes .

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stunet Wednesday, 23 Sep 2015 at 9:19am

Last night I tried to get Jack to spill the beans on the five waves. He said he'd tell me if I passed a quiz and so he set a test, arch-villain style, with the list of waves as the reward. I'm sure he was cackling all the while.

Anyway, I failed the test and the waves remain a mystery.

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penmister Wednesday, 23 Sep 2015 at 12:59pm

The name says it all probably the answer too...Bunyip dreaming...

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thermalben Wednesday, 23 Sep 2015 at 1:07pm

I'm stoked Jack has divulged that the Munga sequence was five waves! Back when the vid first came out we all thought it was The Island, but a few parts of the wave didn't seem to make sense, and some of the landmarks looked odd (now it all adds up!).

I'd have to go back and watch it again (been at least ten years, though I wore out the VHS on the original copy) - but how about Rabbits for some of the close up water footy, or Slater's (NW WA)? 

Really got me thinking now!

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yocal Wednesday, 23 Sep 2015 at 2:52pm

Jumping on the bandwagon a little late here. Is this the sequence?

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stunet Wednesday, 23 Sep 2015 at 2:56pm

Yup, that's it.

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thermalben Wednesday, 23 Sep 2015 at 3:20pm

I reckon North Point's a contender.

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yocal Wednesday, 23 Sep 2015 at 3:29pm

One wave of Cudgen in there for sure.

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yocal Wednesday, 23 Sep 2015 at 3:42pm

3rd last wave surely rabbits?

The more important question to pry from Jack McCoy is... did he specify what Munga's attire & board selection had to be for each of the sessions so he could piece them together, or just coincidence? All the same wettie & boards (bar 1 or 2 waves) haha

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penmister Wednesday, 23 Sep 2015 at 6:47pm

Buzz (camels mate) rolling on the credits...

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Blowin Wednesday, 23 Sep 2015 at 6:48pm

I remember reading an interview with Munga years ago and he got asked where the section was filmed, he said he'd never been to SA.

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bobhawke Sunday, 27 Sep 2015 at 1:46pm

When it gets Large and hollow definately the noise a pig makes.... I always thought that whole sequence was shot at noisy pigs. Thing that stops car making lots of noise? Would it handle that much swell? End section nth point possible . Such an epic film.... On par with sons of fun green eguana and sick joy...... Sing ,sing something

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bobhawke Sunday, 27 Sep 2015 at 2:17pm

Imagine if munga had said.... Yep that session was shot in south oz.
That was munga keeping it dark me thinks

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caml Sunday, 27 Sep 2015 at 11:39pm

Pretty sure its not nth pt either ben . Buzz told us that it was Just the 2 , will try ask the buzz ... edit grunters & super tubes is what I heard back at the time . Hanging out with buzz lots era

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caml Sunday, 27 Sep 2015 at 11:39pm

there wasn't mention of possible other waves . But its possible !

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caml Sunday, 27 Sep 2015 at 11:55pm

Might be green iguana that has yalls section . Another story anyway .

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maddogg Wednesday, 22 Mar 2023 at 12:37pm

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