That video of Herring is the shiz! The legacy of the Momentum generation is slide and above the lip surfing so it was a surprise to be reminded that mega carves were also being laid down.

I cant say I'm thrilled to see surfboard design head back that way, if that's what it does. Think I'll stick with what works for me this time around, I never could do those turns anyway!

So, the first round of the KS wavepool mind games begin,,,

That video was awesome - totally ripping.

Shane absolutely ripping in that Vid, haven't seen much footage of him, but man after seeing that it's a shame he went down the road he did. Was anyone else surfing as progressive as that?

+2 on the Kelly mind games as well.

Repeat after me ,I am free . on Vimeo
A few waves of Herro around the 6.50 mins mark ....much later than 1992.

Good to see how honest everybody interviewed on the vid where.
They could have glossed over it, but didn't.

I wonder how a McKee quad setup on a banana board would go? Drivey from the quad setup and yet pivoty in the pocket turns from the excessive rocker? Just a thought?

Banana board McKee quad with Webber curved flexi fins......at maxing pipe.

Wow now that's a power hack!! Ripping shano!! Tried surfing on one of these 90's throwbacks when I snapped my last board. Great in anything over 3ft but bog city on anything smaller!!

Yeh, not glossed over truth is deluxe. BIG... LEGS... TURNS. Skinny guys... air/farts. Don't blame me, just get on with it.

The O'neil vid where most of the footage was from has some unreal surfing on it.From what I can remember most of the guy's are riding the Webber banana's Richie"Rubberman"Lovett and Rommel were ripping as well and a great soundtrack too boot.T.I.S.M.Yeah and Brett's a ripper also.

My lasting memory of Shane was watching he and Tom Carroll surfing solid 10' Dee Why point one day back in the mid nineties. I was out of my league so I sat on the shoulder and watched Shane and Tom pull into overhead barrels for 2 hours.
I still have the image in my head of Shane pitted and standing tall with both arms stretched as high as he could reach and still not touching the barrel with a massive smile on his face.
Front row seat to high class surfing. I'll never forget it.

My god he was ripping, seen waves here and there, but never full package!!
That combo snaps after the board is laying in the pool would be a 9.5 on the CT today..
Fuck KS is switched on, all other CT guys would disregard this video, but he sees a opportunity, they are very similar surfers... Like Shane said your either skinny leg air dude or big thigh power guy and it's time to see which direction, Maybe slater wants both!! Big hack into 540

Great footage i remember shane caught my attention at margy river the first time i ever saw him surf about that time . He really stood out

Extra rocker at Pipe goes back a long way for backhand surfers. So I am thinking Kelly is just using someone with known expertise, perhaps cynically, to make boards for a particular event, possibly in conjunction with a modified repertoire.

I was lucky enough to surf with Shane quite a few times when he was at his peak and sat and watched at other times. He was a great surfer in a tradition of surfers with artistic temperaments who were never going to fit in to the hyper competitive world of pro surfing. In my judgement his only drive was the surfing itself. He just wanted to achieve a certain standard and style and he did. Suggesting that he was in anyway a failure is to miss the point completely.

I actually don't know Shane well but I have caught up with Brett regularly for quite a few years now and find him to be one of the shrewdest technical analysts of surfing going around, not to mention a great surfer in his own right who, having seen what pro surfing did to his brother, had the good sense to go his own way.

They have both copped a lot of ignorant criticism over the years from those prepared to take the high moral ground. For me I rate both very highly in and out of the water. Great surfers who could never be clones, yes boys or what someone else wanted them to be. Great characters, and there are way too few of them.

"I actually don't know Shane well but I have caught up with Brett regularly for quite a few years now and find him to be one of the shrewdest technical analysts of surfing going around, not to mention a great surfer in his own right who, having seen what pro surfing did to his brother, had the good sense to go his own way."

I've had plenty to do with Shane over the years and at times his lucid expositions on surfing technique have been amazing and certainly been a major influence on my very average skills.

That ability to analyse and implement change is an under-estimated aspect of surfing skill freeride. Most of us rely way too much on habit and instinct and only rarely bother to really think through what we are doing, and even more rarely do we then go on to apply it in the surf. Do you think the ASP or whoever they are now are ready for a Herring brothers commentary team? It would certainly grab some attention!

Those boards had there good points, I'm sure kelly will get the best out of them rehashed in 2014 style.

I could see them working in those events where the waves are short and bowly, Rio & Portugul.

Crazy to think that footage is 20 years old, in a way surfing hasn't really progressed that much, sure kids can fly and spin, but those turns he was doing were as good as anyone these days.

Compare that footage to the best surfing 20 years before it and there is a huge difference.

dead on. In fact see if anyone can find video record of anyone doing carve turns as on rail and as fast. Just check the footage again and watch Shane surfing on flatter vee bottoms verses the curvy concaves, very good but not electric. The lower the rocker the more restricted the lines, so you tend to labour your carve turns and over accentuate them. So long as the wave has speed and the board has grip then more curve opens more doors.

Thank God a breath of fresh air in a stuffy 10 years of board design,Neil Purchase jnr doing Jim Pollard channels and now Greg w talking /designing with KS, awesome because it was getting boring.

Geez greg w has just shifted something very heavy . BB you just pointed out somethin about brett i didnt notice . He could be a great commentator

Yeah Indo D your right in what you say ,but Kelly has a massive influence on what we ride today so its exciting to see him revisit old ground with a twist and Greg w has certainly shaken the board design tree and no doubt will again.

I would love to see Will Webber join the ASP Morning show crew.

what are the dimensions of the 5 11 and 6 1...as these look like his pipe lengths.......??

Good to hear that GW kept all his old rockers etc.......and Kelly is out there looking for new inspiration as it must be incredibly hard for C I riders to get new designs with out a designer/shaper........Dane has been trying to get bds of mayhem for a year now.......no thank you....as Matt would then be giving designs to C I and they are one of his major competitors...

as for Kelly's bds....no may people can ride them,as He surfs with his weight on his front foot and keeps his back foot just resting on the pad......so he uses a different rail line.......to just about everybody on tour.....

Greg I hope you have a few thousand 5'11- 6'1 - 6'8- blanks precut......cause after that first pic of ol baldy on the north shore with a Webber under his arm surfaces........board orders comin out of ya arse
When was the last time you shaped a board for taj ?

I'm enjoying reading the comments but got to thinking: what is the average age of the people on this forum? Sheesh ... old buggers the lot of you.

;-)

Make sure you pre-book with the chiropractor before you give it a spin Stu.

I have just gone the other way recently. My hey-day was he early to mid nineties and I was surfing on 6'2 to 6'4 about 18 wide and 2 1/4 thick. over the last 13 years I have slowly bulked my boards up as I have grown into my skin ;-)

Last Saturday I was riding a 6'4, 19 wide, 2 7/8 thick shaped like a slightly bulked up 90's flick stick out at Uluwatu and I snapped it in 3 places, broke a fin off and the tail was mangled from the leash all from pulling into a thick double up that closed out to fast. Despite the local ding repairer telling me he could fix it in 1 hour, I gave it to him and told him he could fix and sell it.

On my way back to my Villa in Seminyak, I did something I have not done in 29 years and went to surfboard shop and purchased a rack board, a 6'4 Bourton Bottom Feeder. I surfed it in 3 to 5ft super fun but powerless beach break in Bali on Sunday and had the best surf in years. I was surfing fast, keeping speed and able to do some great turns ... http://www.bourtonshapes.com/the-bottom-feeder/

I reckon that Slater will make those boards work, you could do the most amazing high speed turns on them but getting and keeping the speed was always difficult - I used to surf 2 to 8 hours a day in the early 90's and the boards were amazing. These days I surf two to 3 times a week for 30 to 90 mins - so I need a board now that has speed already and keeps it and something like the bottom feeder is what I should have gotten onto 15 years ago.

I have to agree with burgsurfer, I was riding a 6'6 heavily rockered board that only went good in 4 foot plus waves 18 yrs ago, now I'm riding 6'1 low rockered board that rips up to 5ft. For the average NSW surfer the lower rockered boards are going to work cause 50 percent of the time we are surfing 2ft shitty beach breaks, mixed in with an occasional point break. The heavily rockered boards go off in the reefs and beaches when they're pumping as it big enough to push the board along, however I reckon the transition is too hard and you need a step up similar to the low rockered board, but I m stating the obvious. Shane was ripping, was in his prime and was pro, that's why the boards worked, slater will get them to work, I'll be on my "average" surfer board.

Shane was one of my fave surfers from that era, as previously stated his hacks were among the best. Shane Powel rivalled his vertical attack, not sure where he is at at the moment. Interestingly I saw a recent article about Shaun Munro working in Bondi these days, he was also up there for flair at the time.
I'm surprised no one has mentioned the influence Sarge had on Herro as he started his tour campaign.
Pretty sure I've still got a copy of the Oneill vid floating around, they score the Barrier reef if its the one I'm thinking of and Col Bernasconi even comes close to landing a couple of flips.

What influence may have Sarge had on Herro as he started his tour campaign ?

'Interestingly I saw a recent article about Shaun Munro working in Bondi these days, he was also up there for flair at the time.'

He and some other guys came over here and surfed a really nice left, a reef/beachy setup. So did a young bloke from here. I was there surfing a right nearby, and saw a lot of hot surfing that day. Munro ripped. And that red hot, young guy from here opened their eyes, blew them away how good he was. Nuggety, fit cunt. As Herring said... BIG LEGS = CARVING. As has been highlighted, a rare, astute observation. Yeh, Shmucker stole the show. Left some local egos even more dented and spewing. 'Legends'... left eternally fighting it out for the minor placings.

Uplift, big legs do not = carving, technique=carving.

Maybe not inzider but they can certainly help. I don't know of any serious work done to determine optimum lower body development for surfing but I would be willing to place a significant bet that if it is done it will demonstrate that most of us fall below the mark.

Hey, don't blame me inzy, Herrings fucked up then, coulda sworn that's what he said. looks like astuteness is even rarer than highlighted. So, how the fuck would you know anyway? The hardest, and easily fastest carvers in the world, incomparible speeds and forces compared to surfing, don't believe that. That's the downhill racers and giant slalom. They work their arses off to get big glutes and quads, to cope with technique, magnify and increase and improve on the highest speed, edge holding, precision carves.

'Oh and how I know is because I am 90 kgs of raw power. Thouroughbred machine thankyou very much.'

Herring said, BIG/LEGS=TURNS. And his rare astuteness is highlighted. Again, don't blame me.

So, expounding on your take on things, which is different to his, what you are saying, is that you are a useless cunt. Fugly too. 90 kg (still a bit light in my books) of thoroughbred bullshit. Even better than lightweight bullshit. How many sets/reps are you squatting 90 with strict form? How much rest do you need between sets? We can easily test it. Get out of the little, tiny scaffold box, if they'll let you, and come on down. Think outside the box, enlarge, get bigger. Grow. Skinny isn't pulling the fans. Maybe you are attracted to skinny, little guys? Hey, free world, your choice.

'Thankyou very much'

Always happy to lift you up.

oh dear, another thread that uplift has to bleat on about how awesome big muscles are. FFS.
Not quite sure on your logic there lycra man. But judging by your last post you struggle to deconstruct the most basic of text. Im not sure if your amazing huge muscles are stealing too much O2 (oxygen) from your pea brain, but it seems to me you still struggle a little with the basics and your self confidence if you have to resort to homosexual themed rebuttles. Such a git.

Kelly is going backwards to go forwards. Herrings turns were and to this day are still next level. GW has a beautiful mind. Can Kelly and GW blend the banana into the perfect smoothie???....Will we see Kelly go absolutely bananas in Greg pool???...Stay tuned imgettnexcited.

The full vid can be seen by googling: Shane Herring journey on brother.

And have arms of titanium.

gregw wrote:Just standard width and thickness that Kelly usually has, 18 1/2 and 2 ¼.
By the way I didn't have any of the old curves on file since AKU shaper didn't even exist back then. I just had to remember them

hey Greg...supa impressed the ol grey matter can remember the curves....what was the nose and tail lift??

oh great paper thin boards, with insane amounts of rocker.
Good for the under 75kg and under 30's.
Thought things were looking up when the extra width, thickness and volume was making a "come back".

I'm wondering if these might be tweaked for the average rec surfer, especially for good bowly waves where they excel.

I got a Jim Banks board with heaps of rocker and deep single conny. But the board had a rounded nose and is thick. Paddles pretty good, loves it steep and deep. Maybe there is some room to move here.

Very little cant on those front fins...Whats the degrees Freeride ?
Wingnuts FFW page a little read on his fin cant tinkering.

not sure mate, the board is in a bad way covered in dust at the bottom of the house. I'll try and dig it up later.

Greg Webber, Sideways surf have your sonic , mistress, gutterlover models for sale for $495 ....are these Aust made or Thai ?

Talk about too much catalyst in the mix, has everyone in the shaping end of things stagnated so hard that farking early 90's boards are now the shitz?

Fortunately, the disease has not infected everyone!

Thank RT, (who singlehandly made The Bruce Movie), who just produced, filmed, and edited for this instant classic.

Yew!

Ryan Birch the coolest most likeable seppo you will ever meet.

Shit, sorry to keep you up all night stressing inzless. It was actually Herro that astutely highlighted the BIG... LEGS = CARVING and skinny guys = air. And those that know him well, highlight his rare astuteness and ability to understand the requirements of good surfing. Obviously, that shatters your wrong illusion, your delusion, and is difficult to deal with. So, you can't sleep. Don't blame me. Be skinny, be attracted to skinny, who cares? Certainly not, and never the paying public sought by ASP surfing.

'Look at dudes like laird hamilton, absolute machine but fugly style and a horror to watch.'

Yeah, the whole fucking planet stood up and watched the guy and applauded, and payed, you fucking imbecile. You corkhead. He changed surfing forever.

https://www.google.com.au/search?q=laird%27s+millennium+wave+at+teahupoo...

But, cutting through your thorough, bred bullshit,

'How many sets/reps are you squatting 90 with strict form? How much rest do you need between sets? We can easily test it.'

Athletes are interested in that sort of thing. But, I already knew the answer, we'll take the ever flapping tongue, yet the silence as sweet fuck all, nada, zilch. Too fuck'n hard. And yet easily the worlds best, the worlds hardest carvers, all happening at the highest of speeds and forces, and who want even harder and faster and better technique/skill:

Carving hard really pulls them in. Catches the eye. Hence Herring. All those years ago, yet, blows people away even now.. And HE makes his astute observation. BIG... LEGS = CARVING.

Patterning, conditioning, never underestimate its power and reach. Poor slattsy. Again, the never ending story, the pattern, the program, the repeat button. All on the day he did his new trick too. That skinny, flippy thing. Sure, got a bit of a look, like a kid balancing a coin on his nose or something, but right when he did it, everyone ran off to watch the big boys, the real 'elite athletes'. Fuckin' Haynesy!!! NOOOOOOO!!!!!! But yes, rejected by the masses again, that fucking pattern. Jarrod Hayne, Australias best rugby player, the superstar of Aussie League announced he was gonna have a shot against the most elite athletes on the planet, in the NFL. And so it took over... the trick got buried, rejected... again, and all wondered around the globe if Aussies best, would stand a chance in that heady arena. Hayne himself announced he would have to risk all, and work his arse off, to mix it with the best. Good on him, he will put it all on the line, to get a shot at being up there with the best, the elite athletes. Rising to the challenge. A chance at being the first Aussie ever to be a real standout with the elite, the NFL, the very best.

But surfing, including slattsey, went 'skinny', as noted by Herro. Now bloody Herro and his fucking carving is hogging the limelight! LEGS!!!! BIG LEGS!!! CARVING. So slattsey is getting a board, trying to get in on that light. Bruteless spotted a problem, a big one too, and one I've raised before. Slattsey's got no back foot. Never has. Not many have. A steerer. Steering, not carving, not adding power and speed to the equation, like the downhill racers. Trying to, as one dullard on here quoted, 'dump, wash off speed' . Dump fucking carving!!! How about creating it... back foot stomping it. Thats what the fans want. They'll pay for that. Where to get the fuckin' legs though. Thank God for boardies.

Great surfing by the yank but where talking about Herring's hack's?Those board's wouldn't hold through one of those turn's and end up in two bit's from the little bugger's power.

Ahh, one of the infamous 'fighting gordon's', head pops up from the back of the sandhills. Hey, don't blame me, he said it!

Wonder if there is a way to keep the benefits of the design but soften the negatives such as the lack of planning when not sucky.

Im no shaper but would it help if they were wider? or keep the rocker in the rail but flatten the rocker through the middle with a concave, or more of a three stage rocker.

You would imagine now boards are ridden shorter the lack of planning effect would be even worse than when boards were ridden at over six foot.

BTW. I always liked a bit of flip in the end of the nose, possibly pointless but visually it did it for me and thats a start to a good board, kind of like finding a partner, you got to like the look of them first before you dig deeper.

I still reckon if Kelly pulls them out on tour it will be at the short suck beachies, will probably allow him to do those crazy turns in the steep sections and maybe fit in that extra turn on everyone else, maybe pull it out when the judges have decide barrels aren't scoring.

Highline ,on vimeo Check out these rail to rail power turns with normal legs = carving.
At 6min carving on a v bottom black beauty with normal legs.

Bloody bruteless!!! Sayin' slattseys got no backfoot!!! Sort him veg!!! And get the skinny buggers to show the downhillers how to handle the speeds and forces!!! Like RCJ (the worlds greatest athlete) and thunderless thighs did when they broke that world speed record... the one that made the world stand still... and rolled off the side of their boards just trying to stand there, going heaps slower... that showed the bloody world!!!

Bloody Haynsey, aussies best, most elite league player, reckons the NFL is the elite, ultimate testing ground!!! So he's heading off there!!! Prick!!! Stitch him up goofball!!! Carve him up skinny!!!

Pull the fuck'n world up boys, surely they'll listen now!!! Fuck'n skinny rules!!! Make em give the skinny little buggers the big pay cheques!!! Dane's a fuck'n super athlete... stupid pricks!!!

Bloody Herro!!! Callin em skinny cunts!!! Reckons they need BIG LEGS TO CARVE Fuck'n astute my arse... google that fucker udesless!!!

Bloody downhillers ,surfees go heaps faster, as we speak bruteuseless has been testing his 70MPH board for yonks... Still not fast enough... but wait till RCJ loads the fucker up!!! Heaps faster than the skiers, heaps more force too!!!

Uplift, are you on the same stuff that Chud kid's on? Just curious.

Na, not me brauds. Whats it like? How much ya sellin' it for? Just curious. There's probably a few here would take off your hands though? By the way, just curious, ya wouldn't be skinny would ya? Bloody Herro!!!

Nah ya got me all wrong there uplift, I love ya work!

wow... its been coming a while, but I think the big dumb bastard has finally lost it this time.

jealous old biff

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hey uppitysiargo...my comments about KS,and his stance..." I put all my weight on my front foot and the ball of my back foot rests on the tail pad," ....I make a couple of bds every year for KS....we surf/tow.....and talk design.......

I am waiting for Stu t get a response from KS on the ordering GW bd story....

uppysiargo.......John Johns legs are.......??? Duh again!!!

Yeh, he's no Kobi Bryant or Hayne for that matter bruteless, and he'll never go over, or remotely near 70 mph and deal with those genuine full power carves. Not unless he gets a shitload fitter and stronger.

Siargao? But you need a backhand where I go... 'wordy' has it its not your... shall we say ... strong point? Coming out of some deep, deep water too. Ala blacks but thicker, quicker, holds some serious size. I already saw slater's lack of back foot from day one. I don't really like that style of no power surfing. And lots ride off the front these days. Its why a lot hate/struggle with the McCoy zap style boards too.

'I make a couple of bds every year for KS....we surf/tow.....and talk design.......'

Whats ya's squattin' and deadliftin'? Reps, sets rest periods? Exaggerate a bit if you like... most do, but, carefull, it soon comes out in the wash. Washthroughs/aways are pretty common in the gym. Hilarious shit watching a 'supercore' legend buckle like a drinking straw under some real load. Had a tow legend from here, great surfer too, flapping like a harmonica reed under a bit of genuine load. Embarrassing really... not that I gave/give him any grief... well, just a bit... well, maybe a fair bit. Well, actually shitloads... and shitloads. The down hillers/super slalom maniacs rank squats and deadlfts as the most important exercises. They can handle some speed and carving forces ay! Over 70mph, plus the gforce, and insane reaction speeds and flexibility. Even the girls.

The men take it to a whole level up again. Fuck'n gym eh!!!

Hey, it finally occurred to me where pro surfing sits, how to describe it best. You know the old, art/dance/sport/spiritual/activity/pass time argument. Its busking in the ocean. Buskin'. Elite water buskers.

yeah but all that liftin and the shriveled gonads....uppity.....it counts when you get in the water......seems you relate doing ya girl squats to riding waves......

you would not understand how strong John John is..as its tech talk.....how fast he goes and turns.......because you have neverdone it..seems your max is head high blacks before it closes out....hehe

'shriveled gonads....uppity.....it counts when you get in the water...... and mine just dissappeared... thats why I shit bricks and got washed away at blacks... never to return... with all the other West Coast vic boys who came year after year... hehe'

Fair enough! And great that after all these years of anguish, of suffering, of ridicule, you can finally have a giggle about it!...!!!

'What ya's squattin' and deadliftin'? Reps, sets rest periods? Exaggerate a bit if you like... '

More of that common, the tongue's flexin' up and down, yet deafing silence. Its alright, it can be easily tested, and i've dealt with your lot many times. So I have an answer ready... just this stock standard surfee one will do it;

'Athletes are interested in that sort of thing. But, I already knew the answer, we'll take the ever flapping tongue, yet the silence as sweet fuck all, nada, zilch. Too fuck'n hard. And yet easily the worlds best, the worlds hardest carvers, all happening at the highest of speeds and forces, and who want even harder and faster and better technique/skill:'

As interested as I am in that, its this back hand... or lack of... conundrum that 'wordy' has brought to light... under pressure mind you.... he's like that... the 'diplomat' we call him, always choppin' and changin'. Mmmm. Maybe less work on the meticulously manicured head and those fuckin' hats... it won't work... and more real work in the gym? Maybe assymetricals? More than likely though, you've already touched on it... well perhaps poor choice of words there, seems you're permanently 'touching' on it, if only you could glass some nuts, some gonads on the fucking reverse v's, or reverese the reverse... what about 8 fins... jeez, fuck it... just chuck as many as ya can fit on the fucking things... then ya wouldn't of fled black's in that famous around here 'incident'.

Which leads us to carvin', and speed. Sure there you've got me. As I said, the cockies out Colton way reckon theyve never seen anyone get from blacks, to that massive, huge, vicious right hander quicker than you. Ridiculous, and somewhat dangerous speeds... by all reports you had that hotted up little 440 cortina screaming through the s bends, they could see the dinner plate whites of your eyes from the paddocks. And hear the terrified screams of your hapless passengers... fuck'n blacks eh! Fuck'n gym too!...!!!

Oh yeh, hows that 70MPH board going?

ah uppity,so sad that you seem to think blacks is.....something other than a nice short barrel that closes out when the swell hits...each to his own....yeah and that 120KPH bd is coming along quite nicely....

and ya tech talk makes so much sense you should probably write a book and start a lecture circuit on s/bd design and technology....but you just wouldn't be able help ya self but talk about roid mega muscles........I am scared of the gym!!

Dearest Uplift,

All this talk of "how much can you squat" bullshit is just hillarious.
I really think you should get a grip on the fact that not everybody thinks like you and has a desire to waste their lives in lycra squatting in front of mirrors.
This downhill skiing you speak of, I guarantee I could whip your prolapsed arse down any mountain any day, even with my underdeveloped chickensticks.
You seriously think only skinny surfers can do airs, you are off your head for sure.
I would suggest dementia is setting in early for you, you over judgemental closeminded, washed up never has been, legend in my your own lunchtime git.

Herro is absolutely carving on those boards, but it was a dark, dark time to be a recreational surfer. Seen some amazing Herring carves on McCoys recently.

Beautiful, textbook group squwark inzlessless and bruteuseless!!! If only you could squat and train with your ever flexing and flapping and squwarking tongues. Again though, the silence is deafening. Of course I understand that non athletic weaklings, and gimps like you two, have no interest in weights, training, and athleticism. Although brutuseless previously squwarked down magnificentlyand back pedalled even quicker than he fled blacks, suddenly claiming to be the 'expert trainer', that trained RCJ into the 'worlds greatest athlete'. Hilarious, yet desperately tragic. As tragic and desperate as inzlessless's bleating and incredibly stupid, and keeping in form, imbecilic squwark. The squwark where he spat out with a vehemance, with a snivelling vengance, that he was not so a skinny runt, like the ASP pro's, or as Herring astutely observed and highlighted, the contempory aerial specialists (the 'elite' buskers), and proudly screeched out at the world that he weighed '90kg'. Despite the fact that a 90kg weakling is even more embarrasing than a 45 kg weakling. Good on him owning his weakling state and being though.

Naturally you would love to be the guy that took lifty inzlessless. Who could blame you for wanting such deluxe credibility, dreaming so big, and not being seen as just a useless sqwarker, wanker and loser. The site, work and web, geek. Slapped by all and sundry at will. Just come on into the gym whenever you like.

Blacks. Sends a shudder up your little baby spine eh brutuseless. You protested so desperately before at your fleeing... remember how shattered and exhausted you made yourself, before announcing to the cosmos, in that incredibly dramatic moment, that heartfelt, dramatic, tragic 'adieu',... that 'I'm... I'm... I'm never returning' screech, that squwarking that you could 'take no more'. Yawn, just more flowing, manicured bullshit.

Look, when the other west coast viccos came, year after year, with a completely different story to yours, I was the one that stuck up for you! When we asked excitedly... is brutuseless with yas this year, I was the one who tried to stop the savage ridiculing and guffawing... to the very best of my ability... after I had stopped rolling around on the ground pissing myself and dry reeching in hysterics with the rest of them. So, don't blame me!

And again, don't blame me, you guy's hero, bloody Herro started it!!! Shattering stuff!!!

Good luck with the 70MPH surfee board. And one can only imagine, well in fact the world is waiting in excitement, to see the even more incredible, athletic, super human condition and fitness you've whipped RCJ into by now!!!

But, in the meantime inzlessless and bruteuselessless, what are yas squattin' and deadliftin'. Reps, sets, rest periods?

SWEET FUCK ALL... WAY, WAY, WAY TOO FUCKING HARD!!!

The err, uhmmm, the err, well, the err... backhand?

Inzider 2 - uppsydaisysiargao 0.

Actually, captain prolapsed hoop i mean uplift

I was takingthe piss when i said i was 90 kgs of raw power
i am actually 92 .
never ceases to amaze me how you can stereotype my body type through reading a computer, you are truly amazing.
Still could school your arse down any mountain even though i haven't skied in 20 years.
I surf switch foot better than your crab infected arse style.
If the gyms your thing good for you,me id rather get my strength from real life, you know that outside thing with no lycra or mirrors.

'id rather get my strength from real life'

Easily measurable, at your heavier weight and incredible, 'real' 'strength', you should have no problem squatting and deadlifting at least your heavier body weight for some serious sets and reps/minimum rest.

Bit I know you can't. Heard it a zillion times. Never confuse skill with strength and fitness. Come in whenever you like. It, your incredible 'real' 'strength' is easy to test. My call, and your, again, squwark of silence equals:

'I Squat AND DEADLIFT SWEET FUCK ALL... WAY, WAY, WAY TOO FUCKING HARD!!!'

Nah, just how puny surfers are where power is generated. And how comical it is... the banter about 'power'. As the top, elite coach they hired, pointed out, they fail miserably. Totally stupid, imbecilic to think that the worlds best ski racers who deal with speeds and forces beyond anything a pro surfer presently does, uses squats/deadlifts because they don't want real strength. As for skill, I never needed to run from blacks like you and bullshit about weighing up the risks. Doesn't take much skill to sit in a high chair either, broke back chicken soufle'.

This is classic.

Aside from the fact that I am interested in knowing more about the 'rocker revival' - mainly cos I think the real flat / wide trend doesn't go quite so well over here in the West - I can't resist posting on this training thread cos I am interested in that too.

I'm 34, lifelong surfer, mostly regular trainer (bodyweight circuit / swim / run type stuff) who has recently stepped up strength training cos I feel like this year my old injuries (lower back, right knee) flared up a lot during our winter of plenty. My attitude was to try train the aches and pains away while I could still go hard enough, and just to try something new as a change up.

Been training at a gym here in Perth last 3 months (not a Crossfit gym) that's very results focused and quite structured - no mirrors, detailed workout plans etc. Not a lot of talking during sessions either, everyone's pretty focused and I'm normally too rooted to be honest. Aside from some really high intensity circuit stuff that I think most people would have done, main difference to my prior stuff is in using kettlebells, olympic lifting (which I completely suck at so far) and yes, lot of squatting and deadlifts.

The strongest guys there are about 80kg and deadlifting 3x their body weight, I'm nowhere near that yet. At 85kgs weight I'm squatting about 135% of my body weight, haven't maxed out a deadlift yet but would certainly be north of my body weight.

Big question is does it help surfing fitness, and therefore worth doing? Short answer is I don't know yet, I want to get to 6 months of training and reassess ... I do know that if I just go for a run on the beach pre surfing I can go straight out in the water and feel fine and able to surf. If I've really pushed this new program I'm pretty well stuffed for the rest of that day, and sometimes sore for a couple days afterwards - can still surf but definitely with sore muscles. Working up to a best effort 1 rep maximum of anything sounds easy but actually hard in reality at first.

As for injury rehabilitation, which is a separate question to the surf fitness one in my view, yes it's definitely helped my knee. Even three months of strength based work has improved that significantly - albeit under stress my right knee (2x separate medial injuries) is still weaker, which really only gets in the way if I'm trying a maximum effort rep. My sore lower (surfers) back I think will always be there (although that's probably more to do with the office job than anything) and I still need to nurse it a bit, but it certainly hasn't gotten worse over the last few months. Trust it will also improve over time.

Don't want to encourage anymore hazing of anyone's exercise preferences, everyone has different objectives and therefore training programs. My goal was 6 months effort (thinking that's long enough to gauge impact) and reassess so will just see how I go.

mickj, that's all well and good about the dead lifting, but how many boiled eggs can you gob down in 1 minute?? forget about surfing, that's the true test of a surfer.

come on now, how many? it's easy to measure, boil some eggs, shell them, set a stop watch and start gobbing them down, stop when you get to a minute. I'll even let you count whatever you still have left in your mouth. But I guarantee you will not even come close to the one around here with the biggest mouth and the lowest IQ.
yeah that's what I thought.... Silence.
You are all chicken shits around here, you think you are all surfees and you wont even take the egg gobbing challenge to prove how good you are at surfing.

no mick, when it really starts boiling, it is time to man up and take the egg gobbing challenge.

oh and mickj, a flaw I see in your training regime, that uppsydaisysiargao wont be happy about; is the gym without mirrors. no point going there and doing squats if you cant watch yourself in your lycra. im sure there will be other flaws that he wont mind pointing out to you, but that will be the main one.

Mirrors are an invaluable fitness training and teaching tool. For instance, I trained the owners of a gym chain that is anti mirrors, and soon had them begging to do sessions with mirrors, when they saw the advantages re learning and checking form etc. I also used/use them when lecturing and assessing for TAFE, including teaching their lecturers weightlifting techniques, ie clean and jerk, squat, deadlift etc, and mentoring assessing for AIPT, and other PT training organisations.

In my opinion/experience, you shouldn't accept that your lower back or knee pain should always be there, and injured knees and backs etc require and benefit most from specific programs and exercises. This can be really frustrating for the average person. For example, take someone like Gary Ablett Jr. A year plus of full time extensive rehab to fix shoulder, still on going. And thats with 7 days a week extensive rehab, utilising time and resources beyond the reach of most. Yet the average person wants the same or better result in weeks, with a couple of hours a week, which even soon becomes sporadic and hap hazard.

240kgs is a heavy lift. I regularly train guys that tell me that they can handle those loads, but usually end up seeing them fry at much less. Form and style are a huge factor.

mickj, do you employ negs as a part of your deadlift rep? Ie lower the weight strictly for 4 - 6 secs? What breathing method do you use? Close stance or sumo, low or high hips? I ask out of genuine interest. For me the goal re sports fitness is not so much to be a weight or power lifter, which are sports in themselves, where technique/skill/momentum are huge aids, but to minimise that, in order to force maximum structural adaptation/fitness. Which is a catch 22, as although it is harder, it can also be much safer. As an example, I can grab a dud basketball shooter, and increase their range/power very quickly, by teaching them a few simple techniques recruiting better momentum and balance, and utilising bodyweight. Many mistake that type of thing as an increase in structural strength and fitness, but it can often lead to the exact opposite. The more skilled you become, the less the work reqired to perform the same task. Ie a top tennis player uses skill and positioning, plus momentum, and runs and expends energy much less than a beginner.

Anyway, back to this rocker and concave design thing ...

Idea for those interested in learning more ... grab a few mates, their quiver of boards, and yours, and a straight edge. Long ruler, even a spirit level ... long enough to go across the widest point of all boards.

Now, looking from nose to tail, start with the straight edge close to you and push it away from you (i.e. toward the tail) ... fins out too ... now look at three things (different one each time):

- notice how the concave comes in, deepens and then flattens again out the back.
- notice how the 'shape' of the concave changes (look at the first inch from rail in)
- notice how where the deepest part of the concave (at stringer) exists

Do this over all the boards. Mark with pencil where you all thing the deepest part of te concave is on each board ... make notes about the "shape" of the concave and how steep or flat it is along the rail.

Collectively, discuss how each board 'feels' to ride ...

Notice anything?

Good Luck. :)

PS: If you can get to do same with a pro's boards, do the same ;)

Gidday mickj, as Herring, who's ability to to understand what constitutes good surfing was highlighted, astutely highlighted, and made a point of saying, re using his boards, and re carving, leg strength, which is limited by and a part of core strength, is paramount, key to the style of surfing adopted. He even went as far as calling the modern direction aerial surfers, 'skinny'.

Regarding your questions in relation to that, and re deadlifting, one of the best exercises to strengthen and train the whole core, in fact the whole body, breathing, how you breath when training, is paramount. Both for results and safety. It is key to creating tension, which is a key signal the body needs to see in order to choose strengthening structures re adaptation. Its actually a massive, and hugely misunderstood topic, too big for explaining fully here. But in its simplest form, think sprinter/marathon runner... both expert runners, but entirely different adaptations/results. And, even more simplified, results are governed by hormone profiles/production, as is every body reaction/function.

Negatives as part of the rep, create more tension, more time under tension, more of the right stress, in a safe way, which signals the right adaptation required if its strengthening structures that you are after. A stronger equally skilled leg, will be capable of producing more force, more carve, more speed, as highlighted in the videos by elite alpine ski racers, the top of the tree re speed/force production. And it will last longer under huge loads/carves. So I suggest learning about incorporating negatives into your reps.

Breathing. Blood pressure. Nature's hydraulic system. It is no accident that under extreme stress we instinctively hold our breath to exert maximum force. Simple hydraulics are invoked. Blood pressure is your friend when liftying heavy, keeping core strong and safe. Its one of the biggest bungles inexperienced lifters make when trying to build up in weights lifted. They breath wrong, lose the powerhouse effects of blood pressure, hydraulic support. Think of a simple hydraulic arm lifter, ie under your car bonnet, with a leak. Or a leaky brake hose. Loss of rigidity support, throughout your structure. Plus the packing effect. Think why weight lifting belts are popular (to be avoided in my opinion, better to just be/get strong), and the effect lifting suits have in powerlifting. Blood pressure packs everything tight inside the different sheaths. Again its a long subject, but simply put, maximum support for tissue, and joints. Spine. Knees.

Learn to breathe when deadlifting heavy. A few styles. I like, big breath in, hold breath, consciously tighten up everything, feel blood pressure raise, lift. Let pressure off near top, when leverage is more favourable, still keeping consciously tight though, catch some breaths at the top if you are tired, then, big breath in, tighten more, hold breath, feel blood pressure rise, lower to the floor, 4 - 6 secs, let pressure off once weight is fully down. Repeat for desired number of reps. Make each rep identical, as if it was the only rep you will do. Learn about form. Lift with your erectors too, they are strongest and put the spine in a good position when contracting strongly... don't just try and 'brace'. Start the drive with glutes, but simultaneously drive back (erectors) and quads. Pull abs, whole region into spine, as if trying to stop having a piss/shit. Same lowering. Learn as much as you can about form. Hard work. Great signals to body... adapt. Naturally if you have blood pressure issues, you need to start differently, different exercises and breathing, until you get fitter/healthier, but your eventual aim is the same. Breathing for squatting is very similar, but is a bit different.

Yeh, alternate grip is good. And alternate it each set, swap palms around for balance.

Sumo is wide stance, more upright, arms between thighs when lifting. Less range of motion, less back work, so less full range structural adaptation, but easier to move big weights. High hips is really similar, less quad, glute, more back.

Again, its a huge subject. Deadlifts and squats are deluxe. Like sharp knives. As long as you really know what you are doing, or they can really stuff you up.

Hope it helps a bit.

Re the boards, its the keynote of a good shaper to find out if you are back/front foot orientated. Its ludicrous to copy a back foot surfer's board if you are front foot orientated and think it will go great for you, and visa versa. Same re athleticism and strength. Waste of time giving a pretzel legged surfer Dane Kealoha's or JBG's board. And visa versa. Same with body proportions, which hugely affects force production, plus centre of gravity etc. Long the live the genuine custom guru.

oh uppity stop it....mirrors says it all.......beefcakes unite before the mirror......."whos a pretty boy?"......'

Oh yeh, bruteuseless, I'll bet you wish that I, big lifty, was there to stop it, when those big meanies, the beefcakes literally bitchslap you down, and won't let wittle bwutthy into his normal position, glued to the mirror, endlessly trimming, pruning, plucking and meticulously shaping and cwipping his pwetty wittle go'ttee'. Before ppweening and fawning over himself whilst dwething up in those fucking ludicrous, idiotic, ridiculous, gimpy hats. Now 'wordy' (under crushing pressure mind you) reckons that you've resorted to carrying 'my wittle compacth hand miwwowr pwucking and twimming sthet. Thso vere you big muthle bouwnd meanyth'. This is the sad, the ludicrous, the embarrassing state, 'this is the shit' that contemporary surfing has crumbled and plummeted, nose dived to. Fucking manicured, over dressed and dolled up pipsqueaks.

LIFTY MANICURED, PLUCKED, GROOMED AND METICULOUSLY TRIMMED GO'TTEE' AND IDIOTIC HAT, PIPSQUEAK SKINNY AND PUNY SURFEE DISLCLAIMER:

This statement is to inform people that the brutuselessless endlessly manicured, trimmed and meticulously plucked go'ttee' and idiotic, gimpy hats are in no way my choice. I do not recommend them to be used by any one, including pip squeak, skinny and puny surfees ever.

Never have I had any involvement with any ludicrous idiots who carry on and prepare themselves like that, and I certainly have not and do not recommend anyone else do so.

My original, heavily muscled, raw boned, athletic, extremely good looks are a refined state, nothing like the manicured, dolled up, or skinny, pipsqueak, surfee look.

My heavily muscled, raw boned, athletic, extremely good looks have been specifically designed to be functional, and should be used with extreme care, as they can cause women to become hysterical and drooling, and uncontrollably hurl themselves at you.

Thankyou.

Maybe you should try spending a bit more time actually surfing uppsydaisysiargao, rather than theorising about what you think makes a great surfer...
Wait.... Hang on... you've been ranting and squawking about surfers needing to do squats and deadlifts in front of mirrors (while wearing lycra) to be any good and to surf big waves.
And you are the best at training and squatting in front of mirrors, you even have all of these references saying how good you are to prove it to random people on the internet, so you should be up there with the greatest surfers in both small, but especially big waves.
Yet you've done NOTHING in surfing.... ZERO.... ZILCH.....
Anyway, please continue.. very entertaining... everyone around here loves your posts.. has been very topical in the water of late.. with everyone agreeing with how good you are of course ;)

Hey Uplift I was out hiking in the woods the other day and I needed to give birth to your twin brother, so I got my mirror out( as you have advised) I then proceeded to "squat" in the best form possible, the weight of your twin breaching nearly pulled me over on top of it but luckily I had my mirror to keep me good. Thanks dude if I had not taken your advice I could have sat on your twin and snuffed out his short life before he had the chance to become a legend of the lycra like his brother. Phew

Thats delusional groges, but hilarious. Have another snort groges! As if anyone believes a useless little chickenshit like you knows anyone, other than people that constantly bitch slap you, let alone your new mate 'everyone'. References, yeh I can back what I say. Come and see me, back your squwark. Or more hilarious, tell me who you are? Bring your new mate 'everyone' if you like. Classic, chicken shit squwarker, always clutching, searching, praying for backup. Hiding between ya new maayyyyte 'everyone's' legs. Useless, chickenshit squwarker.

It doesn't surprise me in the slightest that you 'hike' around alone, tugging off in the woods inzless, squwarking hidden away, snivelling and praying that you'll find some balls in your mirror. Useless, chickenshit squwarker.

Hilarious ! Thanks for the entertainment , on this boring night .

so, still... NOTHING....... ZERO.............. ZILCH.
The most hilarious thing is you using WORDY for backup!!
haha, he has sure stitched you up a few times now. The funny thing is, he cant stand you and bags you out all of the time. But still you keep trying to get info from him......
hilarious stuff.... keep it up! as I said me and my mate 'everyone' just love it!!

OK Uppittynot...I left out the Lycras......with beefcakes united in front of the mirror doing squats in their pink lycras ( word has it as your favourite color)_.......and as you have confessed....LIFTY MANICURED, PLUCKED, GROOMED AND METICULOUSLY TRIMMED .........but the shriveled gonads are the give away......and as we all know in surfing its not the size of ya beefcakes but the size of ya gonads.....

take a deep breath uppy.......exhale......and pretend that you are as strong as JBG or Dane......mirror mirror on the wall who's the hunkiest of them all.......Mick the shriveled!!!

The magniificently, meticulously manicured, trimmed and plucked go'tee, and the well worn, somewhat overworked lips... also known as, brutuselessless, the bearded clam, keeps flapping.

'The magniificently, meticulously manicured, trimmed and plucked go'tee, and the well worn, somewhat overworked lips... also known as, brutuselessless, the bearded clam, keeps flapping.'

Of course it begs the question what purpose it could possibly serve, or the reasoning behind brutuselessless's perfectly and meticulously modelling his head on a magnificently, meticulously manicured, trimmed, shaped and plucked, albiet somewhat worn, bearded clam... I shudder to think, but hey, its a free world, and it takes all kinds. I have heard him often referred to as 'the gobbler'... again, free world, but I've always thought 'cunt face' fitting as it is, was a bit harsh.

oh uppy...cunt face.....I see you now in a pink lycra in front of your mirror beefcaking out thinking of a time when there was no, gonadis shrivelitis.....but now you have images of me in your head and dream my face is a ...cunt?....do you really have fantasy's about me??....hehe.......no wonder your ex....???? Oops lets not go there now you a fetish for feral fossil faces that resembles...????

Old gobbler... with the magnificently, meticulously manicured, trimmed and plucked go'tee'... the old bearded clam flapping away... more squwark ups from the turkey shed!!!...!!!

nice facebook page seeing we are discussing fetish's..........good to see you contributing to the OZ - Asian relationships ........pity you never contributed anything to surfing......other than how to catch shrivelis gonadis nonerectus.......

Go gobbler!

Well, if you claim you haven't modelled your magnificently, meticulously manicured, trimmed, shaped and plucked go'tee' on a bearded clam, cunt face, then what in the fuck ludicrous shit is going through your fucking scone as you magnificently, meticulously manicure, trim, shape and pluck, prune and preen the fucking thing like that? And then chuck those imbecilic fucking hats on it? What in fuck's sake are you thinking... before presenting as a flabby little geek wandering around all packaged and prepped like that?

I think you two need to get a room .....
( and yes Uppy , you can line it with mirrors if ya have to ) .
Then the two of you can have a good hard look at yourselves ..

Now I love a bit of school boy humour , but it's getting old real quick ..
They used to settle shit like this on Phillip Island with a good old fashioned paddle out ...
I know it would be a struggle to get U2 together , so I think we can just have two venues .
Brut , you can paddle across the RIP with a slimey attached by string to ya gonads .
Uppy , you have to circumnavigate East island , again a slimy attached . Apparently we may need a seamstress though to find the anchor point .
A man of your stature should be able to overcome your fears and return to your old stompin ground , it's only been a little over 10 years . ?!?

haha.

ah ya gotta love the banter....Uppy seems really like he wants to be part of the fashion police as he needs to pump himself up (pity)...hehe.........so funny how he feels I am too manicured.....when I shave once a week.......and yes I have a bit of a feral fossil look ...

anytime anywhere I would love to challenge ol mickey mouse to surf off..paddle first then tow........then we would see penishrivelitus nogonadus,non eructus in action or not........hehehe....

but reality is here on the boards......and I expect to see some Lycra action on his Asian facebook page......or is it all smoke and mirrors....???

what was the subject again.....??

oh yeah spoke to Kelly yesterday about bds....and ....ah you would be too bored by anything technical.....

how dare you try and get this thread back on topic brutus!

I know ,its the feralfossilitis !!

The showcase of the original article the original topic is/was Shane Herring's video, and his amasing, to this day unmatched carving, and how slattsy is interested in it, and the boards. In the original article, in the original unedited video, he, Shane Herring points out, he highlights, and his observation and opinion, his, Shane Herring's, words are, that BIG LEGS ARE FOR TURNING, CARVING, and the other direction that surfing has headed, again his, in Shane Herring's, Shane Herring's (for those that have trouble understanding things) observation and his words are that that direction is 'skinny guys doing airs'. In the ensuing comments Shane Herring's rare understanding of surfing, his rare wisdom is highlighted. I agree with him... rarely enough. And I've always realised that, rarely enough, and made that clear on here, rarely enough. As I do, on topic, in this 'News' item (now the edited 'news' version, which is missing Herro's horrendeous, shattering, rare statement and opinion).

Obviously Herring's shattering observation and highlight absolutely flies in the face of those with the opposite opinion. What a conundrum... those blasphemous words from their icon... their little world, the box, the safety net, literally disintegrated, splattered, before their very, petrified, confused, pleading eyes. No wonder they're up pacing the corridoors, snorting and guzzling all night, as has also been highlighted before.

'Best man to ask would be southey, he's always logging in the early hours, reckons it after work but reading between the line I see a man with a problem.'

And he's been 'on it' again by the looks.

Chickenshits of a feather.

Like chicken soufle, you already had a chance to surf with me, cuntface, as much as you wanted, but like him, man down, both of you went 'missing in action'. Thats a shame, because I'm sure I would've had some deluxe stories, experiences with you both from back then. And that was at a wave you both (surprise, surprise) talk down, despite tons of other much better surfers, even on here, doing the exact opposite. As I said, the West Coast Vicco guys came over year after year, and I surfed with them heaps. Caught up with one of them over here recently, highly respected shaper, entirely different take on the place than you two. I have heard the legendary West Coast Vicco guys describe the place in outrageous terms, on some pretty spectacular days, we enjoyed, and because I lived there, surfed it for hours on end, day after day, and had that advantage, I could take plenty of waves they were happy to admit they didn't want to know about. You came over for a couple of little stints cuntface, always sounds good in the tales around the front bar, but both times ended up at the vicious, massive, death right up the coast, which is a great fun wave. Not a complete, total fathander like bells, as has also been highlighted on topic on here, but fun all the same.

'It's only just another option. Not sure why this comment was made 20 years ago and again now. There are scores of board combinations that are accepted for the waves that they are designed for. Not Bells beach obviously, but waves that have a deeper trough at the bottom.'

Poof!!! The last strand of the net, the last splinter of the box vanishes into thin air.

So as I on topic agree with Herring's highlighted, rare and astute assertion, I posted links where other elite, world champions from a sport where technical speeds and carving forces and power are unmatched, and far beyond anything presently achieved in surfing, make a point of agreeing with Herro, and outline the lengths they will go to to build that muscle size and strength.

That enrages, and terrifies a handfull of now safety nutless, boxless, exposed swellnutters. However to try to reassemble a new safetynet, a new safety box, a ludicrous debacle ensues. Cuntface despite ridiculing training, weights, suddenly backpeddles, squwark downs, and becomes a training expert, who actually works with the worlds greatest athlete RCJ, who also openly, recorded on video, ridicules weights and training. Brokeback chicken soufl'e also suddenly becomes a training back rehab specialist, operating from a high chair, with his old man. I presently work in the industry, and have for over 40 years, and am extremely confident in my ability and experience and knowledge, and know beyond doubt that they are bullshitting and would happily put this to the test any time they like. I have been in similar situations a zillion times. The guy in one of the references I put up, was pursued by the Adelaide Crows, as are many from here, is and was a top, award winning player here, was/is a personal trainer, just won coach of the year, and was extremely sure of himself when he was advised to talk to me. He was extremely confronted by much of what I said to him, and dismissive, but took the challenge, and there and then hired me to train him personally, and his staff, and his football team. Come on down you two chickenshits. Anytime you like, and we can make it as up close and 'personal' as you like.

On topic, others, including surfer shapers, also highlighted their experiences with training, and how the majority of surfing has become front foot oriented, which is the opposite to your view, when after you pointed out slatssy's front foot approach, you portrayed it as some amasing rare insight and approach. Its actually the norm. And surely anyone with the slightest technical knowledge and comprehension, can see its pointless designing back foot boards for front foot surfers, visa versa, boards for surfers with high levels of strength, for those with low, visa versa, etc.

I haven't surfed much for 4 -5 years. Fuck all. But that is changing, and in the future when I surf properly again, I will happily take up your challenge cuntface, and I'll have a ball at blacks. I'll even go up the road to your killer right with you. I'm obviously giving you a huge upper hand, as every day the gap between your amasing technical training savvy and expertise, and power and strength, and mine grows exponentially greater and greater. As for towing, I'll never do it, I don't agree with it remotely, and am not interested in it in the slightest, and that ruffled your 'feathers' re that on here ages ago. Back when I pointed out your hypocrisy at lambasting others for exposing and using waves for profit, when you do/did exactly the same thing, and used filming towing to try and become a massive scale, although dismally, spectacularly failed, board production machine. The others are just trying to make a living too, and have had far less reaching effects than you had and have when you spruiked and marketed by every means you could muster, the crowd and pollution producing towing industry.

As for groges... have another snort groges. Chickenshits of a feather. Maayyyyytesss for life. The 3 amigos, the 3 stooges.

wow.. that's one big ranting squawk up by OLD big glutes. But still, once again, no credibility whatsoever....

up the road to the killer right
but aren't you scared of the penong boys lifty

'Chickenshits of a feather. Maayyyyytesss for life. The 3 amigos, the 3 stooges.'

Too easy.

It's been posted in other threads on here before (can't remember by whom), but uplift would appear to be suffering from:

Delusional Disorder ... have read here: http://psychcentral.com/disorders/delusional-disorder-symptoms/

And, Brutus, I think her may have this with you:

"Erotomanic Type: delusions that another person, usually of higher status, is in love with the individual"

Just scroll down a bit on that paged I've linked ...

Does THIS not describe uplift:

Grandiose Type: delusions of inflated worth, power, knowledge ...

?????

Uplift, please go and get help. PLEASE.

See you when you arrive cuntface. I'll tell them at the desk to look out for an evolved, flabby, little loud mouth, with a head trimmed up like a bearded clam, and a stupid hat on. And stinking of bundy. But we'll put it down as missing in action... again, despite how much you have to drink. Glad to see you love following my every movement too. No, most are front foot. Its obvious, as you know nothing about force production through glutes, quads, back, you would'nt know. Others have highlighted it too. Partly due to the pig dogging craze too. Put it down to a bungle, like your other ones, like the 'everyone is born with cancer' bullshit, etc, etc., etc, etc, etc, etc,. Not a crime. Again, unless you want to come down and show us all this power and knowledge of yours... I'll leave a bar in the rack for you. Come and get me when you want it shifted, or you'll just hurt yourself.

Whingenutter, focus on your board thing if you want to get somewhere with it. Do you really think your opinion is that weighty and reliable?

That idea you wanted to 'teach', to 'learn' everyone was impractical, meaningless, ridiculous, comical. Guys like you would be grovelling on the cliff for hours, covered in limestone dust, measuring everything, before getting hurled through the sky and bounced down the reef. Hilarious shit.

If you don't like what I say, just ignore it. Try your your little heart out. If you can't, and find yourself fretting and squwarkin' and obsessing about me, checking my facebook, investigating me all day, ringing people up etc, get help. Or come and see me, I'll help you in a nano second. Dork.

ah uppayer....I think you also have a dose of selfesteemistis........nah don't drink anymore, a glass of red now and then.....and I wonder how many surfers,pros.world champions you have had to shape for and work out which foot they surf off...hmmm...I would hazard a guess at 0 ,nada...and never will .....your dilusionalistis has been kicking in.......or is just the long term effects of roids and beefcakeitis???

your continuing infatuation with my look ,dreaming my face was/is a vagina...and then you offer to bar up for me.......man ya getting a bit personal....but I can understand that living for sooo long in an area that probably doesn't understand dual gender people like you...has brought on quite a few of your current ITIS crisis.....

coming onto these bds is good therapy though you can see how many people here really empathize with you...or not!!

back to GW and the banana bds...for KS........I wonder if GW has any rocker dimensions such as nose & tail rocker ???

This is a surfing forum I thought, you're on the wrong website Uplift, you should be on a gym, strength training whatever forum and not boring everyone senseless with your endless superior blather. If you haven't surfed for 4 or 5 years maybe you should get out there and relax a little, cut back on the gym abit and chill out.

Tell it to herro, it was his idea, he's the one that highlighted getting big legs and not being skinny... you wouldn't be skinny would you taxed?

Clammy, it would help your understanding if you knew something about fitness, force transmission. All the talk about 'power' in surfing is comical. As the elite coach they hired pointed out, its severely, 'lacking'. Boardies do the trick though.

NOTHING..... ZERO.................. ZILCH.........................................................
No credibility...............................................................................................

one mans bickering is another mans fun.....hehe....

Just a suggestion, I think team 'bickers', should ban Herro.

Kelly ought to throw it way back. Show up on the North Shore with tinted colour boards fully gloss coated. Complete with pin lines. Yew!

So the basic design idea with the bananas is you need a real deep concave to go with it?
Just singles, or did they go into a double conk in the tail?

mothart, haven't a clue, bru...

shoots, who doesn't dig a good banana bender?

https://www.flickr.com/photos/lightningbolteurope/3444230633/lightbox/

Rolla, you forgot to say 'Yew' at the end.

Mothart yes thats correct single conc was how webbers were . I was riding webbers single concave tail boards and then got copies made by col ladhams before they became banana rockered . At the time my mentors tried to talk me out of the idea and convince me that vees were better . I had lucked onto a 2nd hand webber that was made for matt pitts and it was by far the best thing id ridden at that stage

Slater is obviously on the north shore ,any pics or footage around of him surfing a banana rockered board ?
EDIT: still resting those broken toes.

Who shaped the boards KS rode at pipe comp ?

Anyone remember about 15 years ago when Slater said that Herro had nothing to offer the surfing world anymore ?

Another step closer - http://www.liquifymag.com/sunshine-coast-surfing-wave-pool-gets-green-li...

What a great FREE archive/repository of information and discussion you have with these posts and comments - cheers Swellnet!

Cheers , Stu.

The Nichol was neither mine nor excessively rockered though. Wish I still had the Webber. No idea what became of it . Stunet probably has it stashed away in his Aladdin’s cave of elf slipper boards by now. Admit it !!

Holy shit.

Look at that hectic purple grimace thing. Someone out there did that on purpose.

I’d still ride it.

Is that a 6’10” ish banana semi gun on the far left ?

Where would you ride that thing ?

Nice line up , BTW . You ridden them all yet ? You know where they’d go good ? Angourie or Periscopes. The right in the vid above where he’s wearing the springy is perfect for them too...as evidenced by his ridiculous, searing turns. So wave specific.

Like a bunch of toe nail clippings

So, 4+ years after thread (and uplift) - did the rocker ships come back?
I'm not seeing it here. Down South WA maybe?
Edit: soft boards are what is taking off. Who could have predicted that in 2014??

I’ll just start making these Creatures and let surfers decide.

Looking forward to seeing some more people on the Creatures, Greg!

And Blowin, you're right about Peris. Talk about a wave that's always bowling up hard right in front of you.

I reckon if you ride a variety of different boards in different conditions then chances are you’ll surf better. A banana has gotta be worth a try I reckon.