Covid Passport
Stok wrote:Vic Local wrote:You are so easily red-pilled by the alt right nutters. Ever wondered why they shifted the goal posts from lockdowns to vaccine passports? It's because the lockdown grift has a limited shelf life and these scumbags need useful idiots like you in the longer term.
Don't worry VL....you know well enough the vax passport has a short shelf life too. Can't wait to see what the next be all and end all is!
It's actually hilarious watching the % of the population willing to get vaccinated grow daily, whilst the anti-vax crew continue to sprout their usual bollox. The time in the (semi) spotlight is fast running out.
My current favourite anti-vax tropes are:
- All anti-vaxers seem to know 'a number' of people who are in hospital or died from adverse vaccine reactions.
- Anti-vaxxers who are beginning to feel left out of our re-opening (who were/are happily joining in singing about how we're moving away from capitalism towards communism) now claiming that they don't need 'over priced restaurants' and 'consumerism'.Anyway - vax passports will come and go. But don't worry, there will be plenty of other new content produced by the alt right over the coming months, so once this one quietens down the easily manipulated of us will have plenty to get angry over!
"- All anti-vaxers seem to know 'a number' of people who are in hospital or died from adverse vaccine reactions."
If all the deaths attributed to the vaccine by the anti vax crew were counted...Australia would be in the thousands of deaths. Most lie to further their agenda. Every fb page and media org that allows comment is full of attributed vaccination deaths. It's easy to see through the bs and everyone knows it is just a tactic to further increase fear in the community. I personally know a couple of anti vax people who post lies and I know there is no truth to what they post. I have had a surf with 1 of those supposedly dead from vax.
freeride76 wrote:Some professions/jobs are now going to have medical requirements to get vaccinated, some aren't.
I've got a pal who works in Aged Care.
At the moment she can work but it seems highly likely if she won't get the jab she won't be able to work.
She is staunchly anti-vax.
Why?
Pure fear. She got sucked down Conspiracy Theory Rabbit holes and believes the Vax is a part of a Global Reset and part of a Genocide to reduce population.
She literally believes if she gets the vax she will die.
So she'll probably need to get another job.
Luckily for her, in a wealthy first world democracy like Australia, there are lots of other jobs to get.
I know someone like that also FR, but not in aged care.
I find it ironic (moronic) that the anti-vaxxers are the ones who fear getting the vaccination, and then live in fear that if they do catch it they may actually get sick and die. What a way to live...
And then they call the vaccinated 'sheeple'!
Some of the anti-vaxxers up here are gnarly.
My 17 daughter and all her friends decided they were going to get the vax.
They looked into it, and decided the risk/benefit made sense.
One of her friends was kicked out of her family home behind Mullum by ferocious anti-vax Mum.
My 22 year old niece was kicked out of her unit by anti-vax flatmate.
She told her that just her presence as a vaxxed person was putting her health at risk.
It's pretty nutty up here.
Wow heavy Steve, sorry to hear.
freeride76 wrote:Some of the anti-vaxxers up here are gnarly.
My 17 daughter and all her friends decided they were going to get the vax.
They looked into it, and decided the risk/benefit made sense.
One of her friends was kicked out of her family home behind Mullum by ferocious anti-vax Mum.
My 22 year old niece was kicked out of her unit by anti-vax flatmate.
She told her that just her presence as a vaxxed person was putting her health at risk.
It's pretty nutty up here.
You’ve got the exact equivalent of the vaxx nutters on the page above you. Crew who have blown the whole vaxxed/ unvaxxed divide clear out of the water. People who talk about someone who has not had a jab as though they’re World War Z Zombie infected.
Those militant anti vaxxers you’re talking about need slapping and so do the militant vaxx freaks on here.
I can’t wait till everyone is co mingled. It’s a virus for fucks sake…..wow. As I said before the people I know who are worried about the virus are in a 0.0001% minority and I know some pretty vulnerable people.
"The Feed has seen social media posts by an anti-vaxxer from northern NSW discussing how she believes angelic reiki can ‘heal’ vaccinated people and bring them “back to their soul”.
https://www.sbs.com.au/news/the-feed/crystals-and-angelic-reiki-gps-warn...
Its genius really. vaccination detox reiki therapists about to make a bomb.
Thats full on FR but believe it have a mate that's gone completely anti vax nut case stupid.
Its along the lines similar to joining serious fundamentalist religious group.
Some one who has used logic / physics and science his whole life and rejected all the concepts.
His language has fallen in line with all the rhetoric you see across the web.
I wonder how much of this is started by foreign actors?
Strange days.
“I wonder how much of this is started by foreign actors?“
Such as whom?
I suspect Tom Hanks or Bruce Willis.
Not Chris Hemsworth but. He's a domestic actor.
Don’t be silly. It was plainly Sean Connery.
If you’ve ever seen his turn as the Russian sub commander in Hunt for Red October you’d have been immediately struck by the realisation that it was too realistic to fake.
Sent by Putin.
45 seconds in.
I thought Connery's Russian accent in Red October was flawless. Hard to tell he wasn't actually Russian.
A bit like Tarantino's Australian accent in Django. Mastery.
I focus wrote:Thats full on FR but believe it have a mate that's gone completely anti vax nut case stupid.
Its along the lines similar to joining serious fundamentalist religious group.
Some one who has used logic / physics and science his whole life and rejected all the concepts.
His language has fallen in line with all the rhetoric you see across the web.I wonder how much of this is started by foreign actors?
Strange days.
In tweed heads today I went to , doctors , chemist , optometrist , tweed city shopping centre and over the border to radiology and petrol station . I was not asked by anyone for proof of vaccination or even checked if I had used QR code , I did fill out a form saying I didn’t have covid symptoms at radiology. Very surprised at this . Spoke to a mate at Evans Head , he said he went to the pub and was asked for vaccination proof , he didn’t have it but went around the corner to doctors and got paperwork. Sat in the pub on his own and watched people get turned away as no vaccination papers .
CBG on duty . 
Supafreak wrote:In tweed heads today I went to , doctors , chemist , optometrist , tweed city shopping centre and over the border to radiology and petrol station . I was not asked by anyone for proof of vaccination or even checked if I had used QR code , I did fill out a form saying I didn’t have covid symptoms at radiology. Very surprised at this . Spoke to a mate at Evans Head , he said he went to the pub and was asked for vaccination proof , he didn’t have it but went around the corner to doctors and got paperwork. Sat in the pub on his own and watched people get turned away as no vaccination papers .
I'm surprised Drs, Optometrist and radiologist didn't query your status. As vax status is linked to Medicare # when they swipe the card and download to Medicare it's a pretty easy for Medicare to identify who is not doing the correct checks.
@roadkill , I was very surprised , are they doing those checks in Queensland ? Like I said fueled up at airport servo and went to radiology there , lots of people walking around no masks either, only in the shops . Was very surprised at doctors clinic on Kennedy drive Tweed that nothing was asked , my usual doctor is at South Tweed and they have someone at the door but couldn’t get appointment for a referral until next week. Took mum to E.D . Tweed hospital on Sunday night and I wasn’t allowed to wait in waiting room or visit later . I’ve yet to be asked for proof of vaccination at any shops in tweed mall or city.
Most doctors etc only really ask if you'd had a recent test or swab or not. One dose or unvaxxed can still access the services Supafreak visited , with the exception of some of the non essential shops/services in a shopping centre.
I imagine pubs would be pretty strict on enforcing it though.
A list of shit you can and can't do in NSW at the moment .. https://www.nsw.gov.au/covid-19/stay-safe/rules/not-fully-vaccinated
I did a lap of Ballina today.
I'm double vaxxed but haven't got the paperwork.
Office Choice to buy my daughter some stationery .....no asking about Vax.
Stockfood place to buy chicken food, same.
BCF I got asked, explained my sich and the bloke said sorry, you cannot come in, but if you know what you want I can go get it for you.
He was really nice.
So, far as I can see it's pretty lax.
Not much drama for unvax crew, unless you want to sit down for a coffee instead of takeaway.
Not quite Holocaust level.
Supafreak wrote:@roadkill , I was very surprised , are they doing those checks in Queensland ? Like I said fueled up at airport servo and went to radiology there , lots of people walking around no masks either, only in the shops . Was very surprised at doctors clinic on Kennedy drive Tweed that nothing was asked , my usual doctor is at South Tweed and they have someone at the door but couldn’t get appointment for a referral until next week. Took mum to E.D . Tweed hospital on Sunday night and I wasn’t allowed to wait in waiting room or visit later . I’ve yet to be asked for proof of vaccination at any shops in tweed mall or city.
I live QLD but my business is NSW. We have turned away at least 2 appts daily. A few with 1 vax have made appt after their 2nd shots are done, and a few that won’t get vax have booked from 1 Dec. We follow the rules pretty much as required. We still have to see unvaxed people with essential medical need as we can’t turn them away. 70% of our pax are fully vaccinated, 25% have had 1, and then the 5% with no vax.
It is so easy for Medicare to track who is billing the 1 vax only or the unvaxed. Big fines and shut down if we have 2 instances..not sure yet how stringent they will be with enforcement but we don’t want to be the ones they make an example of. Adherence to mask wearing is really good..I have to give a mask or 2 away daily…but no big deal there.
Blowin wrote:“I wonder how much of this is started by foreign actors?“
Such as whom?
Not saying Stu just smashed the idea, consider it "debunked"
freeride76 wrote:Not much drama for unvax crew, unless you want to sit down for a coffee instead of takeaway.
Not quite Holocaust level.
Pretty sure our US of A friends are getting force fed reports (opinions) that 'Australia has fallen to totalitarianism' and down under we're living in a police state/NWO/communist hell hole (from the likes of Tucker Carlson), and that we should never have given up our guns so we can shoot police/hospitality workers who ask us if we've been vaccinated.
thats about the size of it.
if only they knew the true hell of having to get your soft plastic flathead lures brought to the front door because we can't get into BCF due to no paperwork.
That kind of oppression will be read about in history books for years to come.
Barely anyone here wear masks anymore. You can pretty much spot a brizzo weekender now just for the fact they do. Can't see Covid passports sticking around long or anyone here giving a shit/enforcing it at least. And fuck blowin how many threads do you need to whinge about this shit, it literally makes zero difference to anyone's opinion, go feed the wallabies or something mate.
freeride76 wrote:...if only they knew the true hell of having to get your soft plastic flathead lures brought to the front door because we can't get into BCF due to no paperwork.
Gold right there!
Extraordinary scenes in Colac yesterday as rumours spread about a local GP handing out jab exemptions. Hundreds of complete morons travelled to Colac (from red zones) and queued up with no social distancing to get an exemption that the doctor wasn't handing out.
Nobody could be shocked if cases in Colac spiked in a few days.
These are your people blowin. Just fucking idiotic.
Just imagine the situation for business owners if blowin and these idiots got their way re exemptions and vaccine passports. The businesses would have to let unvaccinated customers and staff into their premises. When clusters inevitably form, they'd need to shut down for 14 days at great expense. Governments should never pander to these fringe idiots at the expense of everyone else.
Michael Adam wrote:The protected need to be protected from the unprotected by forcing the unprotected to use the protection that didn’t protect the protected?
Herd immunity is a funny thing Michael. You should read up on it sometime.
saltyone wrote:I have felt it is a stepping stone for governments and private tech enterprises to further shift the human population to a permanent digital identity.
Salty, if you have a phone or a computer, you already have a digital identity. Having an electronic covid passport is barely a flea added to an elephant’s back.
I think you’d have to log this concern under the ‘irrational fears’ department.
True, but eventually those fleas given enough can have such an effect on the elephant as to alter and control its behaviour.
Blowin wrote:Does everyone honestly believe it’ll just fade into disuse within a short period? I’d honestly never considered that as an option for government due to their propensity to increase control and imposition on our lives. I appreciate that I’ve probably got a far more contemptuous, cynical and maybe even paranoid suspicion of the motivations and direction of modern governments but is there no concern whatsoever amongst others?
Does everyone believe …. No, not everyone. There isn’t one human idea that ‘everyone believes’.
Does anyone believe? That’s a better question. Yes, I do, they will maintain a record of your vax, because, they do that. It’s called a health record. The passport will go after a while, probably not too far into the future. I would say soon.
Regarding your concern about mission creep and other posts about government control, unfortunately that ship has sailed. The LNP government has been very busy for the last 7 years, and before that in John Howard’s time, invoking all manner of anti-terrorist legislation that gives them the power to do pretty much anything, to anyone, at any time under the rubric of ‘national security’. No judicial oversight, bug anyone, can now even hack your computer and take away or put in stuff that they feel like.
Would have been good to have all our freedom warriors around at that time. They’ve come to the party about 20 years’ too late.
tbb is pretty sure he got the placebo in Phase 1 Vax Passport blind trial.
Buying Food from Coles > banned
No mobile app > banned
Home Phone is cut - banned (Still paying the bill)
Calls for tbb's Vax comments to be banned...
Denied sleep without a mask...nite after nite after nite.
Outpatient Healthcare - Specialists / Tests > Banned since Rollout began.
Outpatient - Telehealth > (Any future appointments banned until after Rollout or never!)
Denied Vax > (see: Outpatients- Heart / lymph Hospital appointment > sometime after Vax Rollout? )
Denied donating left on shelf Vax to National Vax Crisis & Frontline Vax requests.
Still No Reply to participation in future Vax Trials
Denied peace with next door's dog barking all day.
Walking > ban confirmed (Priority only)
Running / Steps / Jumps or hopping about madly > All banned
Beach exercise in the sand > Well banned
Home Pedal Bike / Steps / Skipping > banned (Pretend to care!)
Weight training & bat'n'ball > obviously banned
Stretching > Yep! That's banned.
Swimming / Wading in or out of Pool > banned (Well! Apart from that micro head dip just then!)
Driving > Doctor argued a ban and ordered Tests...Ok for now!
Even banned from a decent night's sleep & would be steered away from pushing a wheel chair.
Ban oneself from going on about it...
Despite all this tbb swears he could easily barrel roll a Snapper slab and tie a Pro Snake in knots.
Only that's exactly why the Medicos won't let tbb near the ocean ever again or for a longer while.
Freedom is like so overrated...self deprivation is to die for.
Avoid all that compliance hassle & simply knock yourself out!
PS:
Expert rushed monkey Trials proved Vax can't ward off infection, hospital & death?
Expert's own Vax Rollout data confirms we're now saturated in Covid infection, Hospital Crisis & death?
Experts now WARN they've brewed up a Tsunami of Mass Covid Infection, Hospital Crisis & death?
Experts can no longer argue amongst themselves! (tbb thinks they should at least try!)
Oz Experts : "Don't dwell on our rising tide of Covid...kidz are tuning into the Vax Top 40 these days."
Oz Experts: "That's why the whole world + NZ have gotta surf Bali, all apart from #1 Vaxed Oz!"
Daggy Dad : "How good are these slobbery Covid smudged Aussie Vax passports!"
Vax Pass Safety Guide "Waning + Infectious Periods Timetable"
Firstly! Millions here & arrivals are exempt from Vax & count as Fully Vaxed on Oz Rollout.
Business / CEO's / Religion / Medical / Engineering / Science / Students / Transit / Tech / Finance / Manufacturing / Sponsors / Supplies / Construction / Vets / Farmers / Brides / Tourism - Bouncers / Paddock to Plate & up to 44 exemptions (Current)...all walk thru interstate borders no matter where they spread.
1.5m Patients sacrificed health for Rollout & can't vax until Rollout ends for Hospital appointment.
Unvaxed Vaxerz earn 2x more than ICU > Govt ramps 2x more covid for Vaxed ICU Skeleton crew!
[P] Vax Incubation Period - Extra Infectious Rates (Vax-Spike Data UK censors 1st mth > Oz 2mths)
Wk1 Pfizer 10% > Wk2 Pfizer 57% > Wk3 Pfizer 28% / AZ 16% > Wk4 Pfizer 22%
Wk6 Pfizer (2nd Dose) Full Immunity
Wk7 AZ 1%
Vax wanes by 50% each month ...see table...(US ban Civic Testing of Vaccinated from this point)
2 months Pfizer Vax Wanes by 2% > 3 months Pfizer Vax Wanes by 5%
10 Weeks Pfizer /AZ = 50% Vax wane (Min approval rate) in Test of 600 vaxerz = (No Vax)
https://www.ucl.ac.uk/news/2021/jul/vaccine-antibody-levels-start-wane-a...
3 months AZ (12wk shot + Flu > Dangerous infection Warning...Vaxer must Isolate!!)
4 months Pfizer wanes by 11% ( Frontline Pfizer workers Immunity fades fast from here)
Mass Vax Ramps
Early Ramp or steps allows for tempering the 50% VOC Peak (vs) a late ramp fuels peak VOC.
Qld Professor Griffin: "Vax rates put selective pressure on virus to evolve faster into new Variants!"
Vax provides immunity against slower original Strains...therefore Mass Vax ramps fastest BT strains.
Only Unvaxed can be infected by fast/slower strains thereby slowing the spread to lower the cases.
0'ld (unvaxed slow) (vs) va'X speedy Rollout 25% X 0X 0X 0X 50% XX 0X 0X 75% XXX 0X
50% Mass Vax ramps VOC with 50% Vax Wane...Health Crisis ensues until 75% immunity...(A race!)
5 months US Auto bump (6 month) Pfizer Passports (Relies on CDC > 3-5mth downgrade?)
6 months Moderna Wanes by 36% > (Study of 3.4m) Pfizer drops to 50% immunity = No Vax
Important!
Seniors (65+) Efficacy fades fast from 3-4 months to 55% then slides to 43% efficacy at 6 months.
Youth (16-44) fades fast from 5-6 months to 40% less efficacy > 10% more infectious than non vaxed
Other age groups (45-64) (Under 12) are currently equal to non vaxed...(Puberty 12-15 > High efficacy)
https://www.covid-datascience.com/post/new-usa-study-confirms-ve-wanes-t...
8 months Israel claim Pfizer falls to just 16% efficacy against symptomatic infection = Vax 3x spreaders.
https://www.cnbc.com/2021/08/10/breakthrough-covid-cases-why-fully-vacci...
(Zero Data)Oz AZ Top Home Brew - efficacy /Incubation / VOC/ BT/ Kidz/ Wane/ Booster/ ICU/ Deaths?
Obvious reasons to example our Award winning brew for Health / insurance or o/s entry compliance.
Oz has no boosters so hide all waning infection data from Political rivals just in time for open day.
24th Sept NSW Vaccinated > 64% rising > Hide 3wk Vax with No Vax > 11 Oct Open Day (Party!)
14th Oct Vic Vaccinated > 33% rising > Daily Vax/Case Data is no more > 22nd Oct Open Day (Party!)
Notice both States ban least infectious unvaxed Mob > Super spread #1 infectious Vaxerz! (No Arrests?)
Boosters : Reports of short Instant infection then large recharge of Immunity to original 2nd Dose.
The brief instant Booster infection was likely Peak senior Vax Wain...not confirmed! (no info!)
Qld CHO : "We will be bringing the Virus thru the borders in vaccinated people!"
Qld QIMR : Includes Vax Waning to predict 1,800 cases/day by March-May 2022
Govts are clearly impressing that their Vax Rollouts are ramping VOC infection & speed...You must Vax!
Govt liability is the main reason...cover their arses if Vaxed Govt worker infects Unvaxed. (Lawyer!)
UK Vax efficacy Timetable (Acts as a Health Guide to expose most infectious groups by Vax Season)
Rollout Age+ Order of Least to Most infectious ( tbb Salutes gutsy UK Data share during BT Crisis! )
9-30th Aug > 20 Sept-11th Oct (No Vax < >*1 Dose **Fully Vaxed ***Booster)
70+ 3.7% > 2.4%
80+ 4.5% > 3.2%
60+ 5.8% > 4.1%
50+ 8.9% > 6.1%
40+ 15.4% > 9.9%
30+ 30% > 23.5%
18+ 30.1% > 33.3%
{**Vaccinated Premier League Passports}
Includes Booster & current 1st Dose Stats to example current UK VOC Vax Spike
18 June AZ**18+ 18.4 > 40.3% (Aug *1 dose anomaly of 40.3% > eg: Incubation infection Spike)
26 May AZ**30+ 37.9% > 60.7% (Aug *1 dose anomaly of 21% flows thru to 2nd Dose)
30 April AZ**40+ 68.8% > 81.4% ( These Incubating *1st Doses ladder down by % thru Rollout )
17 Mar P**50+ 80% > 86.5% ( 50+ Vaxer deaths also high eg: Deaths in 50+ men x2 + Diabetics x5)
1 Mar AZ**60+ 84.2% > 88.6% (Extra Vax Death > Vax cases Anomaly declines in years each month!)
8 Dec P***80+ 87.3% > 88% (20th Sept) Booster shots halt the waning in Phase 1 Vaxerz.
18 Jan P **70+ 87.3% > 91% Boosters hit this group next & they too will slowly push down cases!
UK will slowly offer boosters to 50+ (Recall UK original Vax cut off at 50y/o)
https://www.bbc.com/news/health-54902909
By UK Rollout design we'll soon see Vaccinated 30/40+ as UK most infectious #1 {Pass Holders}.
This Voodoo will likely conjure up a new out of pocket magic potion! Oz under 50 might wanna check!
OZ CHO : "3-6months or up to 8months we feel is the time to 'consider' a Booster?" Ultra Hesitant?
3 Months is earliest time tbb has heard for a Booster (Wow!) = Double our current Rollout over 5 years
That means no Hospital appointments for next 5 years!
Quite clearly these Vaccine Passports are spreading so fast we need to double our Rollout Capacity.
Only by flipping to allow least infectious unvaxed passes will we mop up Covid. (Never gonna happen!)
Clearly Big Pharma now has the Vax waning World locked in for 10-20 doses / 5 years. All Hail Vax!
Covid Vax Trials > Oz 20 > World 300 (Each Global Vax trial requires 30,000 unvaxed participants)
Oz requires 20 x 30,000/yr / 5 years = 600,000 unvaxed hero Participants to Brew a less infectious vax!
Should Oz cage & poke sticks at 600,000 Clean Skins or just do wot Big Pharma says!
Vaccine is said to reduce Long Covid by 50% (Still no cure for Long Vax Waning infections?)
Unvaxed are said to get reinfected by Covid each 16 months on average! More on Frontline / School
DIY / Testing of largest 'Vaxed' spreaderz is less accurate by 13% in adults - 60% in seniors.
https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/covid-19-vaccine-surveillance...
Covid passport is coming.