Vegan life is woke. I love vegans.

"...if you intentionally stir shit up, people should be able to take more direct action.'
If by "direct action" you mean violence, you will find yourself on the wrong side of the law in just about every case.

"...i honestly think farmers should be able to shoot those activist that break into their farmers as long as it's below the waist"

How considerate of you. Maybe read this before advocating shooting people. It's a good read even if you disagree!
https://www.texasmonthly.com/news-politics/who-shot-walker-daugherty/

That’s pretty messed up Indo.

Roadkill, I think your point supports my initial view that cool heads needed to prevail. If they had we wouldn't be here talking about it and the woman's attempt to achieve publicity would have failed. My first thoughts on seeing that video was that it was violence against a woman in circumstances that could not possibly justify it. That some here see it differently is an indication of the size of the problem we face in addressing a major social problem. One of the fundamental drivers of domestic violence is that men feel they have the right to control women who disagree with their views or transgress their standards in some way.

Ha ha you are tripping BB.

Do you really think they would have treated some guy differently?

Only way they would treat a guy differently is possibly a little rougher, probably would have slammed his head into the railing.

FFS

BB you describing you and roadkill as cool heads is hilarious .

Taking the discussion into domestic violence is a cheap shot used for deflection . Very low of you but I am not at all surprised . It is your style .

I have NO doubt that Indo was referring to both Men and Women who deliberately harass and provoke both women and men going about their rightful business .

I agree that they should be punished much more aggressively and then the good people will not have to raise a finger to protect their livelihoods .

Violence against women is OK....when you think it is justified WOW! Well what a nasty little eye opener, though given the stats I shouldn't be surprised. It is pretty obvious that any group of men will include a few who think, and are prepared to act, that way. All these big brave macho types asserting their right to assault any woman who dares break the rules. I think the corrrect classification of your type is CREEP!

You guys are cooked. Violence like that is not ok.

Hutchy 19 wrote:

I agree that they should be punished much more aggressively and then the good people will not have to raise a finger to protect their livelihoods .

Oh great that's what we need right now....stronger and more forceful punishment for expressing views and protesting. That'll go down well in this current environment.

Picking someone up and removing them is not exactly violence the sex is irrelevant, dont we want equality?

Or just equality for some things?

I mean seriously lockdown protestor including women of various ages got treated much worse than this great example this 73 year old women.

Roadkill she did not touch anyone the violence was initiated by the boofhead.

Roadkill wrote:

If she antagonises and pushes people, she has nothing to cry about if someone pushes back..if violence occurs she has no one to blame but herself.
If she gets hit or gets hurt when being physically ejected…her problem.
I don’t condone violence…but actions can have retaliation.

100% agree, if you are going to antagonise people you have to expect retaliation of some kind, the sex of the person is completely irrelevant.

"the sex of the person is completely irrelevant." You're kidding right?

There's no reason to hit a woman.

Or is there...?

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OMG BB how on earth have you made this topic about women's domestic violence? and even deaths?

Nobody is getting killed here?

It's an activist getting picked up and kicked out in a rather rough manner, the activist just happens to be female, but it's irrelevant if the activist is male or female, or well it should be, just like it's irrelevant that they are white and not black or brown or gay or straight, or christian or muslim or whatever.

They are just an activist that disrupted an event and should expect to get picked up and kicked out, if it was at the footy they would have also copped a $5K fine.

The kneecapper's back! Unable to see forest for the shrubs or grasses or whatever but here he is, shotgun at the ready, on the alert for offenses by men, women or children, that he will put right with a single blast of his trusty double barrel

" OMG BB how on earth have you made this topic about women's domestic violence? and even deaths?

Nobody is getting killed here?

It's an activist getting picked up and kicked out in a rather rough manner, the activist just happens to be female,"

As the perpetrator "just happens" (no its not a coicidence, it is a near statistical certainty) to be male. But it's nice of you to answer your own question.

Just wishing it was a guy now, so some crazy link couldn't be made.

Indo,

Just to clarify:

"This might sound pretty over the top, but i honestly think farmers should be able to shoot those activist that break into their farmers as long as it's below the waist :P"

Is this your honest opinion or just a polemic?

You’ve been Blindboyed!

A bloke I worked with families farm is out at warwick . Some activists cut the fence and let the cattle run free . Luckily no one was killed with cattle scattered all over the highway in the middle of the night . My mates dad is in his 70s and had a hell of a time trying to round them up . Not worth shooting but a jail term is warranted and if someone had been killed , manslaughter charges would be small justice .

san Guine wrote:

Indo,

Just to clarify:

"This might sound pretty over the top, but i honestly think farmers should be able to shoot those activist that break into their farmers as long as it's below the waist :P"

Is this your honest opinion or just a polemic?

After googling the meaning of "Polemic" it's an honest opinion, i know its quite radical, but so is breaking into people's farms and stealing live stock etc or damaging property because you dont agree with the farming of animals.

Farmers should have the right to operate without fear of being targeted and be able to protect their business, imagine how much it would suck for them having to worry about this happening, if you ever been robbed or place broken into, you would know it's more than just the things being taken, you feel violated it's a horrible feeling.

Im obviously not saying shot them dead or cause life threading injury but if a farmer could take serious action by being allowed to take the odd shot at the legs, it would completely stop the practice.

Indo,

Not judging just trying to understand something that is an anathema to me (violence and guns, separately or together). Appreciate your view, and understand the violation angle, but can't do the whole shoot 'em up culture, which for mine, achieves nada and perpetuates and accentuates our differences.

Hey maybe I'm just too much of a luvvie and soft to boot!!

My Texas based bro has 10+ hand guns and a range of semi-auto weapons (AK47 and M-16 rebuilds). But again context is everything...

"First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you blockade their city with tractors."

https://www.discogs.com/Cosmic-Psychos-I-Love-My-Tractor/release/4823240

I thought this deserved to be more widely read.

As usual I don't agree with you BB . I saw your comment and thought something new had been written .

Very typical action of yours I have now discovered . And not at all unexpected that you would be a suer (sewer )type . I would guess you were all talk no action on this . Please let me know .

" "This might sound pretty over the top, but i honestly think farmers should be able to shoot those activist that break into their farmers as long as it's below the waist :P"

So you think this is reasonable?

Hutchy for someone who says he hates internet bullies and arguments you sure like to argue a lot.

freeride76 wrote:

blindboy wrote:

freeride vegan diets have a long history in India associated with a variety of religions.

Think you'll find all those diets involve animal products, mostly ghee, milk, honey etc etc .

They are vegetarian, overwhelmingly plant based, but do include animal products.

Modern estimates are that India is only 20% vegetarian, let alone vegan.

The story of Indian Vegetarianism is largely myth.

The Jain religious diet would be the closest to veganism I think?
Only permissible animal products are dairy (and dairy produced by modern farming methods is frowned on). Also no yoghurt etc due to the microorganisms. They go as far as refraining from eating root vegetables due to the risk of harming insects when harvesting them. So technically not veganism, but stricter than veganism in some ways!

You are right groundswell I enjoy arguing a good case . I also hate bullies and don't threaten violence or try to intimidate .

You're really becoming insufferable, mate.

Can you just stop with the 24/7 domineering of every thread?

Stu - Why am I the only one you are saying this to . Others like BB , Blowin , Roadkill etc are doing the exactly the same if not more posts . Is it because my VIEWS are insufferable to you ?

Just don't read them . I am sure you don't have to read every post on this site .

At some point, all regular commenters get complaints, but right now you're batting 10:1.

I doubt you'd be aware of it, but your entrance to the commentary community was very unlike others. You rubbed a lot of people the wrong way, and also took glee in that. Prob didn't help that some of your first posts accused other people (people you don't know) of surfing while you paid tax for them. Also, you involve yourself in pretty much zero talk about surf which should rightly raise eyebrows.

I'll moderate for the good of the community, knowing the history and backstory of these forums.

Pops wrote:

freeride76 wrote:

blindboy wrote:

freeride vegan diets have a long history in India associated with a variety of religions.

Think you'll find all those diets involve animal products, mostly ghee, milk, honey etc etc .

They are vegetarian, overwhelmingly plant based, but do include animal products.

Modern estimates are that India is only 20% vegetarian, let alone vegan.

The story of Indian Vegetarianism is largely myth.

The Jain religious diet would be the closest to veganism I think?
Only permissible animal products are dairy (and dairy produced by modern farming methods is frowned on). Also no yoghurt etc due to the microorganisms. They go as far as refraining from eating root vegetables due to the risk of harming insects when harvesting them. So technically not veganism, but stricter than veganism in some ways!

Jainism is easily the closest to veganism.
Milk is an incredibly nutritious and dense food- just with that it makes it easy for a balanced diet.

You ever gone vegan Pops?

I've spent long periods basically vegetarian, except for the fish I catch.

Never gone vegan though.

Agree with Stu here. I disagree on many points of indo / blowin / VL but they are longtime contributors and primarily here for the love of surfing. Besides their views are a little more nuanced and informed, even when I completely disagree. Hutchy has come out of the blue and can't help himself sharing misinformation on any and every topic since day 1.

I'm not trying to rub people up the wrong way here. There's always beef on these forums and people do step out of line here and there but since hutchy has come along my own observation is that these forums have become a lot more unpleasant.

freeride76 wrote:

Pops wrote:

freeride76 wrote:

blindboy wrote:

freeride vegan diets have a long history in India associated with a variety of religions.

Think you'll find all those diets involve animal products, mostly ghee, milk, honey etc etc .

They are vegetarian, overwhelmingly plant based, but do include animal products.

Modern estimates are that India is only 20% vegetarian, let alone vegan.

The story of Indian Vegetarianism is largely myth.

The Jain religious diet would be the closest to veganism I think?
Only permissible animal products are dairy (and dairy produced by modern farming methods is frowned on). Also no yoghurt etc due to the microorganisms. They go as far as refraining from eating root vegetables due to the risk of harming insects when harvesting them. So technically not veganism, but stricter than veganism in some ways!

Jainism is easily the closest to veganism.
Milk is an incredibly nutritious and dense food- just with that it makes it easy for a balanced diet.

You ever gone vegan Pops?

I've spent long periods basically vegetarian, except for the fish I catch.

Never gone vegan though.

Never done full vegan, but not far off. My mum is vegan with the occasionally bit of fish. She was advised by her specialist to cut out all animal fat other than fish & to go hard on the vitamin D to help with her MS (worked amazingly well too). For a while she cooked one meal for herself and another for the rest of us, but eventually we all moved to her diet - most meals were vegan, with fish maybe once a week (more often when I had time to go catch some). I was pretty fit and healthy, but often had bad cases of the runs from all the beans!
These days I'd tend to have red meat at most once a week (preferably 'roo), chicken a couple of nights, whatever fish I have time and luck to catch, but still plenty of vegetable curries & bean burritos. Basically just try to eat as healthily and sustainably as I can with the little I know.

Pops I was watching some stuff on NHK last night about diet and MS and how important the gut flora were. They showed a bloke going from being unable to walk to being able to jog. I think they also did a gut flora transplant. If you get the NHK app you can cast to a smart TV. They have some really different takes on medical treatment which are always worth watching.

Stu - I disagree with this strongly " I doubt you'd be aware of it, but your entrance to the commentary community was very unlike others. You rubbed a lot of people the wrong way, and also took glee in that. Prob didn't help that some of your first posts accused other people (people you don't know) of surfing while you paid tax for them. Also, you involve yourself in pretty much zero talk about surf which should rightly raise eyebrows."

You misrepresent my posts . I never said I pay tax for anyone else . I said high tax payers pay there fair share . You have interpreted incorrectly . I have never said I take glee in rubbing people up the wrong way . Only in the last week have I said I enjoy a good argument - todays comment "You are right groundswell I enjoy arguing a good case ". Yes you were right that entrance was unlike others and I said today on a thread I regretted my entrance .

I have commented on surfing matters . You didn't like me saying Vic waves were twice as strong as NNSW remember . Posted on "Why give surfing up " , La Nina , Nias thread , The French thread and others .

Not being able to surf has a lot of consequences . Not commenting about what surf is on offer and were I surfed today for example .

Many of your hot topics are NOT surfing related . Your readership is 10;1 left . Not surprised complaints against me are in the same ratio . I would guess your criticisms of me are higher than this ratio .

I am not on this site to be popular . I have learnt a lot by visiting .

blindboy wrote:

Pops I was watching some stuff on NHK last night about diet and MS and how important the gut flora were. They showed a bloke going from being unable to walk to being able to jog. I think they also did a gut flora transplant. If you get the NHK app you can cast to a smart TV. They have some really different takes on medical treatment which are always worth watching.

Yes, I've heard fecal transplants look promising.
The diet change & vitamin D seem to have done wonders for mum - she went from going downhill pretty rapidly 15 years ago to being pretty well neurotypical now.

Vit D supplements or more sunshine?

Both. More supplements in winter, less in summer. From memory the advice was that the supplements aren't absorbed properly unless you get sufficient sun.
Not the kind of thing I'd advise anyone to try based on an anecdote from a stranger on a forum though!

I have never really given much thought to the what I eat and can sway from beans and lentils to the last sad midnight stale pie you'd find in a country truckstop. I was told many many moons ago by a kind old hippy that it's all just food- the most important thing is to eat it with love, be thankful for it and don't waste it. In saying so, I was technically a vegetarian for about 5 years not from any conscious decision, but by circumstance. I lived for a period of time with my best mate and his now ex-wife. He was a vegetarian since childhood as he was raised by a single mum who was/is also a vego. His ex-wife found vegetarianism late in life.

The contrast is that he never pushed his beliefs regarding food on to anyone and tbh you would have never known unless you actually noticed him not eating or politely declining meat. She on the other hand became quite militant and had no shame in pointing out to others their failings in their choice to be omnivores. She would call people she didn't even know corpse crunchers (that was one of her favourites) and other awful names much to the embarrassment of her ex.

Ironically, my mate first started eating meat in his late 40's and proudly sends me pics of his cooking as do I to him. He sent me a pic of a lovely marbled Tomahawk steak that he was putting on for the grand final the other day.

As for me, I eat a pretty much Japanese diet, lots of seafood, lots of veg, very little red meat, konbu, wakame etc and fermented foods like natto and pickles. Way too many bloody carbs though, too much rice and noodles. Hard to keep the weight off with that stuff.

Zen, I've always said if I had to choose one cuisine for life it would be Japanese. You made me hungry.
As for vegan nazis it is always helpful to remind them Hitler himself was a devout vegan.

Gyozas tonight!

@ Hutchy

I do think you should mellow out and maybe post a little less, as i don't want you banned cause you bring some needed balance to things here.