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GuySmiley wrote:

Breaking News

Scotty has done a backflip on the Indian flight ban.

Flights will resume with passengers quarantining [drum roll] at Howard Springs ..... FFS what a complete train wreck

Okay so in other words you admit it's fake news and just trying to join dots.

Because the travel ban is still in place, hence no back flip, but will be re-looked at weekly but likely to stay in place to at least the 15th May.

And Howard springs, it's already being used for quarantine including for people from India who arrive in NT, so off course will continue to do so when ban is lifted for India, but very hard to see them transporting people from other international arrivals point to Howard Springs.

No info on last night's news and 730 Report it was clearly stated, Scotty's Immigration Minister no less. The ban will be lifted on the 15th to coincide with the Howard Springs expansion which will accept Australian citizens returning from India exclusively. Like every other thing Scotty does its being stage managed to ensure it doesn't look like he has no faith in the hotel quarantine system (which he doesn't) because, you know, the alternative is Morrison accepting his constitutional quarantine responsibilities and running Howard Springs like facilities in every state.

Argh so now you're changing your tune from "scotty has done a back flip on the India ban", to admitting it's staying in place to the 15th May so no back flip at all.

The other news on Howard Springs expansion is old news and was planned long before the India ban.

This article is from the 19th April and even at that point he said:

" Last month, Prime Minister Scott Morrison also announced the Howard Springs facility would expand to accept 2,000 returned Australians a fortnight, up from 850."

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-04-19/nt-covid-cases-recorded-howard-sp...

So the dots you are trying to connect aren't even there.

The hotel quarantine system isn't perfect but considering how fast it had to happen the system has been very successful. (only one major screw up, lets not talk about that one)

100% in an ideal world ever state would have Howard spring facilities, but the real problem in Australia is we have high levels of bureaucracy & over regulation which means something that should happen within weeks to months max, could end up taking a year or more, not to mention a guarantee of cost blow outs etc

Thats one thing you have to respect with China them building that hospital for Covid patients within weeks was crazy, in Australia they couldn't even get a site approve in that amount of time.

(only one major screw up,lets not talk about that one)

Really?are u dreaming?are u serious?

Imagine if Slowmo's remote quarantine had been done properly and we didn't have CBD hotel chaos resulting in mass lock down,QR check in,ruining peoples incomes and not to mention failure to take care of our most vulnerable,the elderly in rest homes!

Please don't mention how difficult the logistic would be for remote quarantine when orchestrating major metro centers into lock down's have been regularly enforced.

Imagine?.................socouldabeendonewaybettabruddha!

If Scomo had done quarantine properly we’d still be looking at annual 200K permanent and 500K “ temporary “ population growth courtesy of his Big Australia Ponzi.

Thank Christ for Scomo’s incompetence as it’s the only thing handicapping his corrosive immorality regarding Australia’s future.

Observation on twitter

“Absolutely staggering how good this country is at building prefab housing in remote locations when ripping rocks out of the ground and how it’s just too hard when there isn’t a buck in it for LNP donors and miners.”

Why can’t the government use towns like this for quarantine ? Has a hospital , airport and accommodation for 500. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Woomera,_South_Australia

indo-dreaming wrote:

100% in an ideal world ever state would have Howard spring facilities, but the real problem in Australia is we have high levels of bureaucracy & over regulation which means something that should happen within weeks to months max, could end up taking a year or more, not to mention a guarantee of cost blow outs etc.

There have been suggestions for other quarantine sites but the LNP consistently play politics with the issue to make them harder to get up and running.

The suggestion here was to use an existing empty, high quality setup and the LNP ran out pure bullshit to prevent it from happening. Nothing to do with over regulation

https://www.northqueenslandregister.com.au/story/7095460/scomo-weighs-in...

Oz Pandemic Quarantine Camps
$180m Christmas Island (Reopen) Operation Burdei 2x China Flights- via WA + via NZ- Qld)
ADF porters welcome on 2nd Flight ...Chinese New Year Festival very open affair!
Originally $1,000 each > (3rd plane went to Howard Springs because of Covid Cases > [+])
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-01-31/christmas-island-wuhan-coronaviru...

$747m (ADF - Includes) Howard Springs (2021)
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-04-28/prime-minister-to-announce-nt-mil...
War on China Talisman Sabre 21 / 2,200 US Troops (2x Covid Quarantine at Howard Springs)
https://news.defence.gov.au/media/media-releases/2-positive-results-covi...
https://www1.defence.gov.au/exercises/talisman-sabre-21

WA $ 31m Rottnest Island (Vasco da Gama -Oz arrivals) + White Star Line Pro Surfers (Only)
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-03-25/covid-19-sees-rottnest-island-bec...

SA - Paringa Resort Quarantine (Sponsor a slave for $2,500...Hey! You said $1,500 crook! )
250km from Airport - Squeeze 200 Mutants into 8 per unit for 2 weeks...
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-04-09/pacific-island-workers-arrive-for...

Proposed
Qld [L]Aspen / Wellcamp International Slave Mutant Quarantine Airport / Inland Rail Hub.
Slave Supermarket for 2,000 Mutants not answerable to Australian Laws
Think Wild West Martian Outpost on Acid.
https://www.queenslandcountrylife.com.au/story/7115151/toowoomba-quarant...
https://www.afr.com/politics/federal/tensions-rise-over-wagner-s-1000-be...

Qld also allows / runs on site Working Farm Plane Load Quarantine as a Compound.
Kinda like shared Kitchen / Showers in Coloured Vest groups > Farmers pay all costs!
Fencing & maybe a Port'a'Loo extra here & there + All health comes to site!
Farm Boss can't go back'n'forth & either works with them or lets them be.
Vests can't cross areas until its cleaned or cleared to do so. (No wee stops on the Bus!)

Proposed
North Melbourne Pet Quarantine Facility 30km From Airport
https://www.theage.com.au/politics/victoria/mickleham-pet-facility-emerg...

Proposed
Victoria Uni Quarantine 1,000 / 2 wks rotation ( Govt / Uni / Student Cost Share )
This involves young o/s Students jumping the Vax Queue over Oz students (Students Union?)
https://www.theage.com.au/national/universities-hatch-desperate-plan-to-...

Sounds cheap.

Not.

You are really pushing it to get info to answer a direct question against his political heroes like that Sheepdog given I'm thinking his grootmoeder just has to be Amanda Vanstone.

Sheepdog wrote:

Indo the avoider. I'll post this again. "Where's Indo the LNP apologist. I'm in the mood for some of his spin. Explain and defend this Indo. I'll grab some popcorn. brb

Bridgette Joyce, daughter of Barnaby, is drawing a “senior advisor” salary at the age of 22 in John Barillo’s office."

I havent read or heard about this and i have zero interest in reading about it.

But basically it's similar to the other topic of X politicians being gifted jobs.

Quite simply if it's legal then it is what it is and just part of politics and business and if legal id assume it's not the first time it's happened or limited to the LNP.

Where is Andrew Robb when you need him haha.

While he was LNP Minister for Trade and Investment, Robb approved Chinese company Shandong Landbridge Group to lease Port Darwin for 99 years. As soon as he left politics, Robb was hired by Shandong Landbridge on a $880,000 per year salary. In 2019, Robb left the position, shortly before a new foreign-interference law took effect.

We are now up to the 8th leak out of NSW hotel quarantine; remember when Scotty referred to NSW as the “gold standard” of hotel quarantine?

Remember when we were supposed to empathise with Gladys the oppressed victim.....

Just found this photo in the SMH and it made my skin crawl for no reason beyond what an utter pair of fck wits these two are. . A proper visceral reaction to the mere sight of these cnts. Is this really who is steering the ship? Fck me.

I was guessing Abbott or Howard.

If you look into the art of lying there are usually "tells" to a liar.
A liar will often divert their eyes, or close them in a long blink, or too many small blinks. They will touch their face or hair or even more subtle gestures that reveal they are lying.
A liar will often mispronounce or garble words, there is a slight disconnect in their expression and thought because they are ahead of themselves constructing the next lie. That lie or it's wording "leaks" into the sentence they are speaking, so a word normally expressed easily becomes garbled with a word from the lie. Watch Morrison speak. He does it every time.

adam12 wrote:

If you look into the art of lying there are usually "tells" to a liar.
A liar will often divert their eyes, or close them in a long blink, or too many small blinks. They will touch their face or hair or even more subtle gestures that reveal they are lying.
A liar will often mispronounce or garble words, there is a slight disconnect in their expression and thought because they are ahead of themselves constructing the next lie. That lie or it's wording "leaks" into the sentence they are speaking, so a word normally expressed easily becomes garbled with a word from the lie. Watch Morrison speak. He does it every time.

Let's be real all politicians lie to some extent, they have too...

But your description especially this bit

"A liar will often mispronounce or garble words, there is a slight disconnect in their expression and thought because they are ahead of themselves constructing the next lie"

If this is true then it explains things with Biden, maybe he is not going senile after all.

Sheepdog wrote:

Bidens speech impediment has been common public knowlege for 50 years. Since when is a speech impediment "senility"?
https://www.forbes.com/sites/alishahbaz/2020/11/12/what-joe-bidens-speec...

Ha ha yeah right...i am not talking about his stutter, if you go back and watch the footage from when he is younger you can see a huge difference, it's just life, we won't live for ever old age will catch up with most of us.

But Adam could also be correct and that the need to BS more which he clearly does is enhancing things.

Yeah yeah Trump was also a liar, but i guess he had it down pat, so doesn't affect his speech so much.

How bored/boring can you be when you have to entertain yourself by making-up a story about a politician on a Friday arvo? Please rate sheepie out of ten for boringness, I give him the perfect 10.

"We are now up to the 8th leak out of NSW hotel quarantine; remember when Scotty referred to NSW as the “gold standard” of hotel quarantine?"

https://www.aussiestockforums.com/attachments/b01fd12b-d628-416b-ac95-c2...

Would love to see the breakdown of stats for each state in how many days their quarantine system has been operating since Covid, Vic's has been paused at times so safe to assume it's operated the lease amount of time.

Would also love to see the stats on how many return travellers each state has taken, assume NSW is leading. (both these two factors increase risk)

Would also love to see the comparison of how each state has dealt with leaks, how many days total have they needed to go into lockdown? (is Vic still one of the longest lockdown in the world?)

Safe to assume Vic is way ahead, NSW has also been much smarter in just locking down areas needed.

Pretty clear who's doing better out of Vic & NSW in these stats, not even close.

Here’s the RBA speaking the truth on how mass immigration pushes down wages. There’s been people on here over the years who despised this fact and refused to accept it. They and their falsehoods, lies and spin can go and get fckd.

“The effects on labour supply have been observed mainly in some labour supply shortages in the industries that typically employ a larger share of migrants…

Given the current domestic availability of labour, strengthening labour demand as the economy transitions from recovery to expansion is likely able to be met from within the domestic population in the near term.

However, a sustained period of economic recovery could lead to wages pressures emerging more quickly if new labour supply remains constrained, particularly and foremost in areas of domestic skills shortages…

The longer border restrictions remain in place… the more likely that localised labour shortages could translate into some wage pressures as the economy continues to strengthen.“

Companion pieces in respect to Australian house prices :

“A fairy tale of Sydney

A friend of the wife has a relative who is a bricklayer ……just bought a 4 million dollar house

How can you do this ?

Trade up over 3 or 4 houses in the last 7 or 8 years and at each step give the NSW government a big chunk of dosh as stamp duty and ride the equity tiger

End result is you end up with one house marginally better than the one you started with ….but still just a house
…and what about the wealth effect. ?…..your house is still only worth marginally more or less than the one a few streets away

So what am I missing ?”

Plus

“Nigel Tufnel : The numbers all go to eleven. Look, right across the board, eleven, eleven, eleven and…

Marty DiBergi : Oh, I see. And most amps go up to ten?

Nigel Tufnel : Exactly.

Marty DiBergi : Does that mean it’s louder? Is it any louder?

Nigel Tufnel : Well, it’s one louder, isn’t it? It’s not ten. You see, most blokes, you know, will be playing at ten. You’re on ten here, all the way up, all the way up, all the way up, you’re on ten on your guitar. Where can you go from there? Where?

Marty DiBergi : I don’t know.

Nigel Tufnel : Nowhere. Exactly. What we do is, if we need that extra push over the cliff, you know what we do?

Marty DiBergi : Put it up to eleven.

Nigel Tufnel : Eleven. Exactly. One louder.

Marty DiBergi : Why don’t you just make ten louder and make ten be the top number and make that a little louder?

Nigel Tufnel : [pause] These go to eleven.”

Never gets old - nor does the Stonehenge clip from that film :)

Here's one for you Blowin, absolutely excellent and timely channel:

He's a trained historian, I find him quite impartial. Well worth watching his clips on the F35s, the Hobarts, subs, and hypersonic missiles. Very unique Australian content on yt at the moment; I'd say ADF has procured very well and the capability jump is really impressive.

Cheers, VJ. That was really interesting. Variety of thoughts whilst watching- pride, despair, anger and hope.

Indo’s response to NSW quarantine being the gold standard completely misses the point. Well done for diversion tactics though.

Hilarious comments about Biden’s speech impediment and his ‘tells’ when he lies. 4 years of Trump spouting utter BS, almost maniacally detached from reality on a daily and minute by minute basis, and people complaining about Biden! That’s a fair denial of reality right there. It would be funny but I think they believe they are really on to something.

Blowin, yep, high immigration has two major aspects. It bumps up the GDP figures so it looks like we have growth even when we are going backwards, but more importantly it means that business doesn’t have to compete for workers, so they just go and get one from overseas rather than pay higher wages. It also has the effect that they don’t feel any responsibility to train people up, so apprenticeships aren’t offered and on the job training is minimal. They just ship ‘em in.

Govt policy is to suppress wages here. Has been since the Accord, but at least the Accord was an agreed position and led to superannuation benefits. It was mainly the dog-whistling Howard who raised immigration levels to post-war highs (WWII). It’s the usual political sleight of hand.

This was absolute gold yesterday, you couldn't have scripted it better, good to see the ABC actually reporting on it too, maybe there is some hope yet to save the ABC

Basically lidia thorpe tried to play the divisive race card, assuming the NT attorney was a white male and basically dissing her, but hello she is an indigenous women and better still one from country.

And her come back was absolute gold calling lidia out.

"NT Attorney-General Selena Uibo slams Greens senator Lidia Thorpe's speech"
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-05-13/nt-selena-uibo-lydia-thorpe-youth...

Classic.

https://www.instagram.com/jeremycorbell/

anyone into ufos...........

probably not the right spot to post this but tough titties

Good to see Swellnet getting some love over on BG.

Now I’m scratching my head trying to match names on here to names on there.... WPS? Who dat?

info: swellnet’s suppository of wisdom

simba wrote:

https://www.instagram.com/jeremycorbell/

anyone into ufos...........

probably not the right spot to post this but tough titties

Funny you say that, while id never bother following a UFO instagram page, i do have a fascination with the topic and just space in general, if someone post something i will watch it, i was only rewatching Bob Lazer Joe rogan Youtube episode last night.

Im kind of not convinced either way though by him or that we have ever been visited, obviously the majority of reports/photos/footage are clearly hoax but obviously there is a good chance of other life out there somewhere.

That footage that the USA government released last year was also real interesting who knows what they are but they are true UFO's in the real meaning of the word, if from earth or from elsewhere who knows.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-04-28/us-department-of-defense-confirms...

Im kind of on the mind set on these things like Bob Lazer that although I will listen to him and take interest, i will then search videos trying to debunk him to get another perspective.

I have the same mindset with conspiracy theory stuff like 9/11, although im very rarely if ever a believer, i will watch the conspiracy theory vids and then watch the videos busting them, in most cases the videos busting them are far more interesting.

Yep, you’ve heard this all before but the stupid, the vested and the irredeemably block headed still refuse to either acknowledge or learn the truth. Here it is again from Crispin Hull of the Canberra Times:

“The Budget figures show that, in the pandemic-affected financial years (2019-20 to 2021-22) net migration is in total 661,000 people fewer than it would have been under business as usual.

The Government is patting itself on the back for the marvellous V-shaped economic recovery and bounce back and giving every reason but the real one. Australia is doing far better than all the economists, business, Treasury and Reserve Bank people imagined because of dramatically lower population growth caused by dramatically lower immigration.

This cabal of misguided economists are the people who for decades have banged on about immigration being essential to Australian economic growth and prosperity.

Poppycock. The cabal predicted the pandemic would bring economic collapse and massive dole queues. But with 661,000 fewer people (and their offspring) to cater for we have done much better than they thought.

In particular, we have about 200,000 more jobs than we had pre-pandemic. If we had had immigration as usual, those jobs would have gone to immigrants and the dole queue would have been 200,000 higher. Instead, the 200,000 people are tax-paying workers.

Plus closed borders meant our tourism deficit turned positive as people spent at home.

Small wonder the Budget deficit is much lower than the economic cabal predicted. The cabal believed its own propaganda that high population growth meant high economic growth and higher prosperity. Wrong. Per capita the growth was tiny or negative and the population growth caused a great burden in unmeasured things like congestion and the environment.

They were so blinded by the immigration-growth mantra that nearly all of their forecasts were wrong. They failed to see that without the usual massive immigration, unemployed locals would take up the slack.

Yet here they were in the past week, the same old heads from the economic cabal shamelessly popping up urging a return to what surely should now be a discredited population-growth mantra.

The firm message of this pandemic, bolstered by all the figures in the Budget, is that high immigration is bad for Australia, economically, environmentally and socially…

The pandemic employment figures prove that training people here is more economically sound.

But what does this Budget do? Project a return to high immigration as soon as the pandemic is over.

Moreover, why can’t the economic rationalists who call for user pays for every other government service apply the same reasoning to immigration. If a business desperately needs someone with skills that they say (usually incorrectly) are not available in Australia, they should pay the cost.

Average wealth in Australia is a little under $400,000 per head. Very few migrants bring that amount in. To the extent they don’t they lower the average wealth of the people here. The businesses that want them should pay the balance as a user-pays tax. They would soon learn that it is better to train locally.

Without the 661,000 extra people, we have not had to build what amounts to a quite large city. The only people who would have benefited were the property developers and the big retailers and big business generally. The cost would have been borne by the environment and the existing population (including migrants and indigenous people) with congestion, higher housing costs and education and health stress.

Post pandemic we should put an end to this migrant-led growth mantra, but the Budget suggests we won’t.“

Deafening silence from the lefties re Lidia Thorpe and Craig McLachlan says it all.

“We need female leaders because they’re inherently empathetic!”

https://www.smh.com.au/national/virgin-ceo-calls-for-open-borders-even-i...

How the hell do you pronounce that name??

Herd-licker?

Hard-licker?

Hard-liquor?

...anyway, as Justin Hemmes signs off on the contract of his $70 million block of land at Byron Bay he warns the government that the hospitality industry faces roon unless they can import a skilled workforce of chefs, managers, and waiting staff.

Stu - In the same article we find Neil Perry seeking sympathy about his struggle to find workers after leaving $10M of his employees pay in his own pocket.

“Most egregious case of wage theft in Australia” https://www.smh.com.au/business/workplace/rockpool-records-doctored-as-p...

Tells you a lot about the SMH, and it’s desperation to resume the human Ponzi, that they’d devote column inches to indulging the whining of these cnts.

Skilled waiting staff......