Australia - you're standing in it
Do you reckon facto actually surfs? Surely no-one that miserable is a surfer.
macrobusiness seems to be vying for the title of Australia's premier economics and business conspiracy theory and misinformation website.
Oh fck ! You’ve just earned yourself a gold star for trying there bloke.
Unfortunately......trying isn’t succeeding.
“ Conspiracy and misinformation “ .....didn’t realise we had a merda d’ artista in residence.
Any examples gsco?
Geez , Andy . Bit cynical aren’t you mate ?
He’s got some concrete reasons to not bother debating anything Macrobusiness has to say. Luckily they’re all summed up yet again by this single , handy graphic :
Of course the main objective of macrobusiness is to act as a gateway that lures and channels people into investing with Nucleus Wealth. So by continuing to quote the website, blowin is just advertising for them. I wonder if he/she gets paid for this advertising?
"Lures"
Hahahaha!!
Actually, if you hadn't of pointed it out I wouldn't have noticed.
Mate they're very open about the whole thing.
What's the problem? Just looking for a smear?
Holy shit gsco.....they’ve got another arm to their business ! What a unique anomaly in the world of media.....
Christ.....how low do these ‘tards need to stoop to avoid an honest exchange of ideas ?
I wonder if gsco/ he / she / zi / zim gets a brown paper bag from the Weak Argument Society after every post like that one ?
Come on gsco.....you’re better than that bloke. Try putting forward a worthwhile argument if you disagree with any of the Macrobusiness links I supply. Your perspective is more than welcome and I look forward to the day you sway my views but your low brow character assassination can get fcked.
Judging by the shucking and jiving, the ad homs, the obfuscations and the smears, I'd say "quite low".
I honestly don’t get it. Actually I do.
This is the result of 4 years where every argument was ended with.....but Trump !
Now the same intellectual laziness , factless assertion and misplaced condescension is being routinely applied to any and all countervailing points of view.
This is a good chronicle by Eryk Bagshaw and Anthony Galloway of how the relationship with the CCP soured for Australia over the last 5 years or so:
https://www.theage.com.au/world/asia/great-leap-backwards-how-australia-...
Yes VJ. Good article.
Turnbull under rated ?
I rate MT highly. When working survey jobs throughout Tassie, I was so distressed at what I saw regarding trees/old growth that I sent him a letter when he was Environment minister. Got a personal reply.
Yada yada yada On here, you're still trying to cover your dismal bigot arse, Blowie.
As always.
Swolenut's 'useful idiots' are the only one's turning a blind eye.
Time to have a good look and ask some hard questions?
"Time to have a good look and ask some hard questions?"
Very true facto, and that question is, why are you even on here?
It's actually a serious question, why do you bother coming on this site when, according to you, most people that express their views here are just retards in your eyes?
+1
That article was very good
Scomo the Party Animal.
5,000 y/o China - Oz grog trade begins.
1705 - China > Dutch > Oz Trade ...still good!
1869 - British Kill Aborigines to end the Chinese - Dutch - Oz Trade.
2014 - G20 Brizzo Party was a hoot...recall Xi Jinping's bass'n'ditch pub crawl.
http://eg.china-embassy.org/eng/rdwt/20141229/
Scomo dumped those 5 eyes dorks to hang out with Xi Jinping's party people.
2018 - Jap' PM laid a wreath for Darwin bombing & fracked a $55b Gas Plant.
2020 - SAS kills Afghan Kidz to almost wipeout 5,000 yr Chinese - OZ Grog trade.
Scomo : "We been faking our Pub Licence this long...bugger the bouncers!"
Apart from that, none of our Top 7 Partners are ever setting foot in Australia again.
They're more than happy just to sip our wine whilst tearing up our PM's invites!
Scomo: "Where the Bloody Hell are ya!"
( tbb thinks he saw them partying with yer old drinking buddy Xi Jinping. )
Scomo : " Better be top shelf Aussie Wine! " ( Durr...Wot else! )
https://www.deccanherald.com/national/national-politics/ahmed-patel-list...
https://apnews.com/article/beijing-cabinets-wang-yi-territorial-disputes...
https://www.scmp.com/news/china/diplomacy/article/3109615/chinese-presid...
https://www.aljazeera.com/economy/2020/12/2/biden-not-removing-phase-1-o...
https://www.theage.com.au/world/europe/alexander-downer-savages-britain-...
Scomo : " So! None of them are gonna RSVP...Ever ? "
" Oh well, we can always hit on our hot neighbour again to liven up the party."
That's if she's still speaking to us...think we run outta ledges to push her off!
https://www.news.com.au/world/pacific/china-lays-into-nz-pm-jacinda-arde...
Scomo : " Better grab the 5 litre Coolibah for that kinda alright Ditch Chick!"
Good call Scomo...real smooth crisis diplomacy!
Scomo : "You think maybe my mega Hubba Bubba Bubble will win her over!"
Sure! Blow yourself Up! Just don't go bursting everyone else's bubbles again.
Fitzy! As was posted previously...
"Ah well, another day, another numpty..."
.
Another previous post:
"Imagine getting all your political info from a middle-brow glorified real estate site, well...
Crop fail coming right up."
The article VJ posted was good, Blowin’s discussion was good, the topic is current and was engaged in with no bigotry. What’s the problem facto. Intelligent conversation without the mud slinging not your thing eh’.
Go on dork, post a funny derogatory meme, avoid engaging and bask in the warm glow of condescending nothingness as you stroke off in front of the keyboard.
Like your last post, if the slippers fit ......
As the East Coast of Australia burned this time last year, Scotty from Marketing was on holiday in Hawaii. Today he was doing a photo shoot knocking up the Christmas decorations.
12 fucking months to get a national fleet of fire fighting bombers, and the photo op guy has done fuck all. This is why you don't make marketing people the CEO.
"Very true facto, and that question is, why are you even on here?
It's actually a serious question, why do you bother coming on this site when, according to you, most people that express their views here are just retards in your eyes?"
he's here to sell his wares, ccp endorsed propaganda
and for the paypacket... those memes don't make themselves, no matter how lame they are
"The article VJ posted was good, Blowin’s discussion was good, the topic is current and was engaged in with no bigotry. What’s the problem facto. Intelligent conversation without the mud slinging not your thing eh’."
he can't engage in conversation, that would mean accepting the populus are not buying what he is selling
acceptance can be difficult... for some...
it's a process
well, should be...
Yeah done fuck all???? Just more BS from you VL
Australia is one of the most successful countries in the world with dealing with Covid the biggest event we have seen in our lifetime.
Most countries are not only being farked over from a health perspective by Covid but also an economical perspective.
It's early days yet and far from over, but this week signs are looking much better than expected, technically the recession has ended (doesn't mean we wont have another one)
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-12-02/australia-september-quarter-econo...
So we are doing very well from the two very important aspects health & economy.
Thats why Scomo's approve rating is so healthy at the moment.
BTW. Scomo is good at some aspects of marketing like his image of being a politicians but still relatable as a daggy everyday dad, but marketing is more than that it's about using the media and events to your advantage, which he is really not that good at, especially using the media. (you would think he would have a whole team advising him on these things)
You want an example of a very good marketing politician look at Jacinta arden, Covid aside she has failed on pretty much every election promise, but it doesn't matter even if covid hadn't hit these things would not be a focus because she is amazing at marketing herself and using media and events to her advantage.
"As the East Coast of Australia burned this time last year, Scotty from Marketing was on holiday in Hawaii. Today he was doing a photo shoot knocking up the Christmas decorations.
12 fucking months to get a national fleet of fire fighting bombers, and the photo op guy has done fuck all. This is why you don't make marketing people the CEO."
not to detract from a pretty fair point... well kind of fair... kind of fairly tediously predictable, and full of braindead point scoring and nothingness actually... but anyway...
serious question, what has albo achieved in that time?
aside from ghosting the opposition position better than anyone, ...anyone ever, ...even better than shorty shorton everything..., what has albo done in 12 months?
or actually thinking about it... what have labor even done in that 12 months?
now I accept the lnp have been rather lacklustre amidst rather massive potential political opportunities... but what have labor actually done?
joel fitzgibbon stole morrison's climate change position I guess, ...and albo came out batting for china at one stage... but putting those two sojourns into the average and the ridiculous aside, I honestly cannot think of anything at all they have achieved in that time period
and I'm serious, I cannot think of one single time they have effectively held the lnp to account, or even raised a single issue of significance that has caught the public's attention, not one, not once... in 12 months...
the oz public is being taken for a ride by both sides of politics at an alarming rate that we have never seen before
the bang for buck is dismally in the negative and plummetung, it's disgusting
I know we're 'the lucky country' and all that... but we are in the middle of a pandemic, and some major economic reshufflung, the most significant shake up to lives in a lifetime, ...apparently...
geez you wouldn't know it from the seeming silence in canberra and the pathetic media
In regard to Facto
The weird thing with him is he can produce some really well thought out post if he wants, even if i don't agree with his views, last week he posted two really well thought out post that were really well presented. (can't remember what the topic was but they were mixed in with about half a dozen short typical negative crap post or memes)
But for some reason instead of engaging in well though out discussion, he would just rather throw around lame memes or lame insults.
I honestly dont get it, why would you bother?, especially when you are capable of bringing much more to the table.
because he's paid to do it....
paid to produce a certain... cough cough... 'product'
and he likes 'winning'
(or... moreso... cannot stand lose face losing... it's a cultural thing, amongst other things...)
I would more accurately say the states have managed the COVID crisis well.
Scummo hasn’t had time to address anything but positive marketing as his cabinet go from scandal to scandal. Yes he’s dropped the ball on bushfire response and should get the arse. The piss weak about face on climate is only because he hasn’t got the crazy orange baby bustin’ down the door internationally for the lnp’s right wing dinosaurs.
Yes, labour have a long way to go before they are a real departure from the current trajectory.
Super Spreader Scomo
Scomo presided over the highest Covid alcoholism & DV in the World.
Least dense country adopts world's tightest SD (less than OZ Spanish Flu 1918)
Recall expert dickbrains laughing to crowd closer for Dutto's Spy app (Smile!)
https://techcrunch.com/2020/11/24/australia-spy-agencies-covid-19-app-data/
Scomo redeployed Offshore / Camps, Airport Quarantine for City Hotel spreading.
His Week 1 Hot Hotels crashes > Spread virus across city transit + 33 breakout.
Scomo's 50,000 Hillsong Colour Conference superspreads Sydney's 1st wave
Scomo forever pushed for more mass exemptions for School, religion & sport.
Scomo never shut up about smashing every border into oblivion...Jobs spread Jobs.
Aborts ADF bio security containment of o/s arrivals into Melbourne Airport
Scomo's ABF world's worst Port Failures Syd-WA (100's dead + 1000's infected)
Threatens Port Unions for simply wishing Quarantine of viral Manhandled Goods
ABF corona breach at Melbourne left o's arrival Airport insecure for a 2nd time!.
His Hot Hotels Block out UV & shut out Air, ordering more virals onto streets.
If they can walk, let 'em spread..saves on Hospital beds.
Scomo's world branded Worst Age Care Deaths now a lifetime of suffering.
Scomo's NZ arrival card says to superspread all borders in a week.(Fuck the States)
Pretty sure Oz has world less pop density.
We failed our world pop density rank, because of superspreader Scomo's killings.
Clearly! Tiny NZ (sd) density + many nations performed better than Oz (sd) density!
Also add we're surrounded by vast Oceans + Antarctica as our Neighbour helps!
#1 Newspaper Advertiser (The Govt) Scomo's Polls will * Skyrocket Everyday **
How so! By News glossing over their Boss's endless Covid fuck ups as shown here!
Chinese officials report 23 days of covid cases before #27 at Scomo's wet Market.
That's not even counting many viral Athletes from the Oct Wuhan Games. (Shh!)
Yet the Whole World bought Scomo's wet market origin story...but for how long
(Scomo's dodgy inquiry)
10 Nov: UN Watch "Remove Commie NZ head from of Corona Origin Inquiry"
https://unwatch.org/head-of-who-inquiry-into-coronavirus-helen-clark-tie...
11 Nov : UK/US: "The terms of reference for investigating the virus origins was not negotiated in a transparent way with member states."
https://genevasolutions.news/global-health/who-told-to-step-up-investiga...
World wants Scomo's lame Wet Market Tour to go offroad for serious digging.
Priority : We want this done now...instead of inquiry pandering to China.
Think you can all see why China is beating on both NZ/Oz with the same stick.
China's Message is loud & clear "You are not detouring a Wuhan Basement Tour!"
Tell'm Comrade Scomo : { " IT WAS THE WET MARKETS - NOT THE LAB " }
Kinda warm'n'fuzzy & vacuous on the day but now it's raining Covid shit!
Pell on TV...skipping Quarantine from Prison to Pulpit ...was that Scomo's moment?
theres obscure, then theres tbb.
my take on facto is he is an autodidact. has the prickly defensiveness , chip on the shoulder of someone who is constantly trying to prove he is as smart as the next guy despite a lack of academic credentials. I could be wrong. he may be an educated dickhead
Why would I expect anything less from you facto, absolutely riveting contribution, and such wit. Well done.
And speaking of retards….
VL – “12 fucking months to get a national fleet of fire fighting bombers, and the photo op guy has done fuck all.”
Have a read VL. Particularly from page 203 onwards.
https://naturaldisaster.royalcommission.gov.au/system/files/2020-11/Roya...
Should Scumo have done something in the last 12 months or should he perhaps have waited for the Royal Commissions findings and recommendations? And is it’s Scumos job to do something or the States?
"Should Scumo have done something in the last 12 months or should he perhaps have waited for the Royal Commissions findings and recommendations?"
No, Scumo should have done something years ago. He should've done something when firefighters warned him in May 2019 about a severe shortage of aerial fire fighters. He should have done something immediately after last summer's fires. But he did fuck all, and it's too late for this fire season.
Waiting for a Royal Commission's finding to do the fricken obvious is the lamest excuse ever.
Scumo's response to the bushfires was typical scumo. Just like Covid, he punted nearly all the responsibility and blame on to the states. And then he had the nerve to show up when the problem was solved, try and claim the credit, announce funding for the recovery, which the flog didn't deliver. The bloke is terrible in a crisis. He's is just a very shallow man. But hey, he puts up Christmas decorations in front of his private photographer and all the newspapers get a copy.
So you didn't read a single word in that document did you.
You are just all piss and wind. And you have the audacity to go off at others when they voice an opinion, exactly like you have done above.
Moron.
No I did read the section you recommended and I read the recommendations of the Royal Commission.
Australian, state and territory governments should develop an Australian-based and registered national aerial firefighting capability, to be tasked according to greatest national need. This capability should include:
(1) a modest, very large air tanker/large air tanker, and Type-1 helicopter capability, including supporting infrastructure, aircrew and aviation support personnel, and
(2) any other aerial firefighting capabilities (eg Light Detection and Ranging (LiDAR), line-scanning, transport, and logistics) that would benefit from a nationally coordinated approach.
Recommendation 8.2 Research and evaluation into aerial firefighting
Australian, state and territory governments should support ongoing research and evaluation into aerial firefighting. This research and evaluation should include:
(1) assessing the specific capability needs of states and territories, and
(2) exploring the most effective aerial firefighting strategies.
Chapter 8 National aerial firefighting capabilities and arrangements 223
Recommendation 8.3 Developing the aerial firefighting industry’s capability
Australian, state and territory governments should adopt procurement and contracting strategies that support and develop a broader Australian-based sovereign aerial firefighting industry.
"Each state and territory manages its own aerial firefighting capabilities comprising
owned or leased aircraft. Additional aircraft are provided by the National Aerial
Firefighting Centre (NAFC), a business unit of the Australasian Fire and Emergency
Service Authorities Council (AFAC). NAFC procures and allocates a fleet of aircraft and support services, from within Australia and overseas, to supplement the capabilities of the states and territories."
"The Australian Government is committed to providing approximately $15 million per year during the period 2018 to 2021, with total funding amounting to $44.79 million over three years."
"For the 2019-2020 bushfire season the Australian Government provided NAFC with an additional $11 million in December 2019, and a further $20 million in January 2020, increasing its total contribution to approximately $46 million for 2019-2020."
There is pages of factual information from the Royal Commission. Read it.
So what has dear old Dan spent his money on over the years in your neck of the woods??
Fitz, Many highly experienced fire fighters were trying to tell scumo that there wasn't enough aerial fire fighting planes for the upcoming fire season.
That was in May 2019. They were saying that due to global warming, the fire seasons in the northern and Southern Hemispheres were overlapping for longer periods of time. They were saying there was no guarantee Australia would get planes if they were still fighting fires in America and Europe.
Scumo didn't want to hear the message about global warming, because that would require him actually do something, so he refused to meet with the firefighters.
It needed a national response and scumo went MIA.
And people are still living in caravans, because Scumo went MIA during the recovery too. He's a fair weather PM who is shithouse in a crisis.
Edit
"the Australian Government provided NAFC with an additional $11 million in December 2019, and a further $20 million in January 2020,"
At this stage half the eastern seaboard was on fire. That funding was so late it was pathetic. Australia was negotiation contracts while it was on fire. Talking about negotiating on your knees. And then getting the Aircraft into the country took even more time. Scumo was, and still is, just fucking useless. But he builds cubbies for the girls and cooks Jen a curry.
You talk so much shit VL always ignoring the things that dont aligning with your own views and exaggerating anything that does, no matter the topic.
I hear his curry is next level.
Jen is a lucky woman.
"You talk so much shit VL?"
So Indo, do you think Scumo planned well for the 2019-20 fire season? And do you think he responded well to the crisis?
If you do, you'd be in a very small minority.
Vic, The "Elvis" and fixed wing water bombers are not shelf item products. You can't just write out a cheque and take delivery. There is also a wait list as counties throughout Europe and America are waiting also.
An owner of one of the vessels I run has a son who is a pilot of the "Elvis" and he travels the globe flying these things fighting fires. He is run off his feet. Struggles to book a holiday he is in such demand. I have had some very interesting conversations with him regarding his work, the contracts and politics just for those helicopters.
Again, you are simplifying it too much thinking Scumo had the power to just fix things if he acted. Do you actually know how many we have on order? Do you know when they were ordered? No, you don't. What have the states done to fulfil their obligations?
I agree with your last comment, people still living in caravans etc. But again, is that entirely Scumos fault? Does the insurance companies not hold some or all of that responsibility? Like in my home town, all the builders are currently booked out for 12-18 months. How do you know they aren't still living in their vans awaiting insurance pay outs or builder delays??
EDIT: An those fund were ADDITIONAL funds to those already dished out since 2018. Again, what have the states done with their funding and responsibilities?
Wow Fitz,
You start by linking the Royal Commission into National Natural Disaster Arrangements, which lists a shit load of recommendations for the Federal government , and then yell "what have the states done". Having it both ways I see.
Do you understand the point of the Royal Commission? State based responses to natural disasters that cross state borders failed. This was entirely predicatable, especially in the case of fires in a climate change world.
Most of the recommendations of the Royal Commission point to things the Federal Government should do now (and should have done years ago).
When it comes to the raw politics of fire fighting in Australia, the LNP don't want to admit climate change makes fire fighting much more difficult. They avoid the topic at all costs. If people's houses burn down due to LNP inaction, that's a price the LNP are happy for others to pay.
Vic, stop. You’re deflecting and cherry picking to suit your agenda. I have said before I despise Scumo, but as someone else pointed out the other day, Albo is a wet wipe too. You made a BS statement earlier today, an opinion that was BS, which is what you call out others for. I’m done trying to discuss and reason with you as you are just a rusted and welded on ALP supporter that has tunnel vision backed up with blinkers. Everything is just black and white to you. Swellnets self-appointed sheriff. In all honesty, you are a moron. And as my dear old Dad says to me “Son, when you engage and argue with a moron, it is then, that you have in fact become the moron”.
Fitz. I’m certainly not rusted on Labor, but they aren’t in power federally.
We are currently experiencing a thoroughly corrupt and incompetent federal govt. Federal Labor’s big crime is they can’t expose all the LNP bullshit for what it is.
Hewson wrote a good article about Liberal Party politics being about mates, corruption and marketing. I’ve had a fucking gut full of these crooks. Yes there’s corruption in the ALP but it’s tiny stuff compared to the absolute crooks in the LNP.
And when these cunts are out ripping off the taxpayers for themselves or their mates, they aren’t doing the basic job of running the country.
Well put Fitzroy, i like your dad's saying.
Anyway VL end of the day the good thing about democracies is it doesn't really matter what one person thinks but only what everyone thinks.
When governments are truely incompetent and don't perform they get voted out,
If there was an election tomorrow LNP would hold onto power because despite what you may believe the reailty is they have done a decent job dealing with Covid and not letting the economy go to shit.
As for Labor they have had their chance, but they only lasted less than six years before the public decided they didn't cut it and LNP would do a better job.
I will just have to re-double my efforts in showing how fucking utterly bent the LNP is.
Here's some light reading about how the cunts pissed away millions of tax dollars to their polluting mate who donates lots of money to the Liberal Party.
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2020/dec/05/how-coal-baron-tr...
That's money that could be spent on schools and hospitals making some billionaire even richer while he trashes the planet.
Cricket's back on.
All together now...
"Fitzy's a wanker...clap, clap, clap, clap, clap.
Lizard's a wanker...clap, clap, clap, clap, clap.
Info's a wanker...clap, clap, clap, clap, clap.
D-tox's a wanker...clap, clap, clap, clap, clap.
Blowhard's a wanker...clap, clap, clap, clap.
Seppo's a tosspot...clap, clap, clap, clap, clap."
really?
the guy who likes to think he's the smartest guy in the room, ...and that's what you've got?
that's the depths of patheticness you're willing to plunge to?
seriously dude, ...to quote myself, ...again...
what the fuck is wrong with you?
and... you really need some new material
...a new schtick...
because, you now are appearing to be as broken as hilary's shattered bossom...
it's back to the therapists for you ol' boy
...before another emerging
with another profile...
again...
Seppo's a SUPER wanker...clap, clap, clap, clap, clap.
ok, let's try that again...
how about you back off on the hostilities and try and contribute something enlightening or positive occaasionally rather than constantly trying to tear everbody down?
or, you could just ignore other posters, put up your links you feel so passionately about and you might actually gain some influence...
or, we could all just continue the gloves off shit giving fest, and you can be a more and more twisted nasty woman as more and more posters tire of your mean girls schoolyard domination routine...
Im cool with all of then
The "I can't believe it's not politics" thread.