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factotum started the topic in Thursday, 27 Aug 2020 at 11:12am

Septic Tanks are going to Septic Tank

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sypkan Tuesday, 10 Sep 2024 at 10:59am
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AlfredWallace Tuesday, 10 Sep 2024 at 10:57am
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Oh My Stars , AW .

I am definitely no piece of flotsam and jetsam , drifting around 4 fun on SN , I think .

It's much nicer description than Grifter , though , I won't Go there .

Maybe Smiley has more of an idea , what sort of Old bloke , I really am .

I do flop from issue 2 issue in a haphazard Pop way and sometimes fumble away in the dark .

Very happy to bump into anyone and if necessary , "give em a honk of the Horn " .

Lots of people on SN , like to have a go at just me , Pops this and that Stuff .

I put up a lot of facts , lots of questions and lots of views .

No one seems 2 want 2 chat about the details , get only minor corrections from eta , but get abused and pigeon holed .

Maybe I'm just a Devine Madman , Don Quixote like ?

Who in the fuck knows , or cares :) !

I have said on many occasions , the number 1 Issue in THIS Election is Free Speech and Censorship .

Gents , anyone want 2 chat about that ?

It's Free , atm !

Pops. Hi mate.

As Martin Luthor King once said ‘Keep on keeping on’ ,

Remember Berger Paints ‘ Keep on keeping on’ you’ll paint the town red.

You’re never INXS, ‘Don’t Change A Thing For Me,’ or anyone else for that matter.

You’re definitely no grifter, you’re Neil Young to a tee, Looking for a ‘Heart of Gold ‘

You may want to get your cars wheel alignment checked so that it just starts to steer you to the left a little. AW

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basesix Tuesday, 10 Sep 2024 at 11:26am

^^ man, X is easy to play. provocateur IvyMarie is a dummy profile run by Casey Desantis, the profile picture is a hardcopy childhood pic of Ron's family in Florida (Ron on the right, passed away Christina in the middle, and Ron's older brother Jay on the left, who ran away from home at 14).
https://x.com/Npeanut630
They don't talk about Jay, but he's been a house painter since getting cash in hand jobs as a teen in Michigan. The pic at the bottom of his contact page, shows young Jay painting the Florida Desantis home in presumably happier times:
https://desantispainting.com/contact

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Pop Down Tuesday, 10 Sep 2024 at 11:22am

I am happy 2 veer Hard left on ANY issue AW , if convinced I'm heading , off course .

If I hear myself wobbling , I will get realigned .

I will try and listen , much more closely , thanks 4 the tip :)!

May I offer the same suggestion 2 U ?

One day Solar MAY be able to Power a city like Melbourne ?

As a realist , I don't see it happening in MY Lifetime , so suggesting we stay with what we know .

It's Gas , isn't it , as U are not a Nuclear Guy Type .

You are a Giant on SN , AW imho .

U really make me think and wonder , thanks mate !

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AlfredWallace Tuesday, 10 Sep 2024 at 12:10pm
Pop Down wrote:

I am happy 2 veer Hard left on ANY issue AW , if convinced I'm heading , off course .

If I hear myself wobbling , I will get realigned .

I will try and listen , much more closely , thanks 4 the tip :)!

May I offer the same suggestion 2 U ?

One day Solar MAY be able to Power a city like Melbourne ?

As a realist , I don't see it happening in MY Lifetime , so suggesting we stay with what we know .

It's Gas , isn't it , as U are not a Nuclear Guy Type .

You are a Giant on SN , AW imho .

U really make me think and wonder , thanks mate !

PopDown.

I will try to listen more closely than I do, but surfers ear is in its infancy.

Never been keen on listening much to others, I like to formulate my own opinion, as evident on here. Joking.

One day Solar will be powering Melbourne, my son and his generation will demand it, and so will the cellular life of the planet.

Gas (fossil fuel derived )well, it’s just a gas, gas, gas, just a bit of stale air really with lethal outcomes.

Staying with what we know will simply leave us ‘ Lost in Space’ (danger, danger, Will Robinson I can’t compute, danger, danger) is selfish and lacks ‘evolution of the brain’ and thought processes.

Stasis is no good for any organism, sitting duck in that mode.

Entropy rules the planet. It’s the second law of thermodynamics, entropy always increases with time, we simply don’t , by the virtue of living as individuals or systems remain the same or stay in one place. Time heads in one direction only.

No nukes is good nukes.

All the best from your shrinking violet, ain’t no Giants here, I don’t think orange and grey suit my complexion .AW

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Juliang Tuesday, 10 Sep 2024 at 12:36pm

@ basesix
Yes very interesting, goes into things a lot deeper
One of them mentioned, the US isn’t really a democracy anyway, maybe why Trump keeps hanging around
And Stan Grant commented
“The hostility of social media “ causing problems in society,

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old-dog Tuesday, 10 Sep 2024 at 12:57pm

O.K. @ Pop Down, I'll take the bait and play devils advocate.
You say the no. 1 issue is freedom of speech and censorship.
What about the cost of living, immigration, violent crime, abortion, gun policy etc.
So where do YOU draw the line with free speech?
Hate speech, dangerous anti science health misinformation, how to make a bomb or plan a school massacre, perhaps the KKK should have their own TV station.
It seems to me like the only people who care about this issue are the conspiracy, anti-establishment, inbred nutjob Trump disciples. Cheers.

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truebluebasher Tuesday, 10 Sep 2024 at 1:10pm

This Map reveals why US Election is voided before it begins...
RFK Jr Ballot Debacle will be contested in every swing seat...
Check it out for yerselves...what a mess US are in...now like some 3rd World Lucky Dip!
Is he in...is he out...Who rips up Ballots who doesn't...Cross whole USA...
No chance in hell any Judge will fairly call a result ever for this election...
Gotta Burn every Ballot > Delay election or spend each day with court appeals until ya do exactly that!
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/rfk-jr-map-on-the-ballot-states/

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sypkan Tuesday, 10 Sep 2024 at 1:23pm

clever sleuthing basesix

but I could of posted any of the 1000's of accounts that are running it

is it even real?

is it old?

is it new?

your sleuthing might have been better placed assessing the validity of the video...

I gave it a go... for 10 mins...

those 'debunkimg' it aren't real convincing I must say... with lots of loose, deceptive, wiggle room language used... ahhh... the media...

maxine waters certainly responding like it's real... a story in itself right there... as is always the case with maxine...

anyway, I found it funny, and kind of relevant to points raised in that very good 'the minefield' episode...

the trump AI is having a field day

pro-trump's AI field day

today...

https://x.com/zakisolja/status/1833116406352625673

https://x.com/TruthHurtsTKV/status/1833172600115101895

https://x.com/DorameDeano/status/1833142242929947102

https://x.com/kildzr/status/1833074712681025650

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sypkan Tuesday, 10 Sep 2024 at 1:25pm
truebluebasher wrote:

This Map reveals why US Election is voided before it begins...
RFK Jr Ballot Debacle will be contested in every swing seat...
Check it out for yerselves...what a mess US are in...now like some 3rd World Lucky Dip!
Is he in...is he out...Who rips up Ballots who doesn't...Cross whole USA...
No chance in hell any Judge will fairly call a result ever for this election...
Gotta Burn every Ballot > Delay election or spend each day with court appeals until ya do exactly that!
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/rfk-jr-map-on-the-ballot-states/

it's a mess...

whoever 'wins'

the only certainty is, civil unrest

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Pop Down Tuesday, 10 Sep 2024 at 1:37pm

Hello Old dog

Good questions !

The Economy and the other Issues u mentioned AND a Candidates ability 2 carry them out , have always been major election deciders and will probably B in this election .

This Election comes at a Time , with UB Free Speech being shown to B at risk .

Simple Free Speech FFS .

The Supreme Court ruled the government Censored RFK FFS .

Facebook admitted Censoring US citizen .

The Telegram got closed .

ALL in the Last month .

Any U want to discuss the KKK building a bomb ffs .

The Democrats have gone Crazy , power hunger on steroids .

It's soooo obvious , if U open your eyes .

If Free Speech was threatened in Australia , it would also B the Number 1 issue , for fucken sure imho .

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stunet Tuesday, 10 Sep 2024 at 2:09pm

I'm with Old Dog.

Twenty years since FB launched - just twenty! - we've got an insight into the chaos social media wreaks. Firstly run by amoral libertarians, now by sociopaths. The argument put forth is 'how can you live with censorship', but I sometimes wonder how society will withstand the opposite - a wholly deregulated and chaotic media-scape. Imagine where things will be in another twenty years?

There's been a lot of time and energy spent prosecuting the evils of censorship - and for good reason - but how about spending some time wondering the inverse: where social media and free speech absolutism is taking us.

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sypkan Tuesday, 10 Sep 2024 at 3:01pm

the economy will be most certainly front and centre - for those for whom it actually matters anyway...

the plebs

40 odd years of printing money, and the debacle cash splash that was covid cash, has all just confirmed it simply doesn't matter to some...

those with lots of it

(they just get more)

re. free speech: we're clearly on a dark road whichever way they go with it...

especially now with AI

once again, covid showed the dark road that can go...

and just confirmed those with unchecked power and influence cannot be trusted

my solution:

we need to develope a two or three tiered system, where those with power and authority can publish their works

a system for the kids and the christians (metaphorically)

and a wild west net - where nutters, crypto bros, 'conspiracists', porn junkies, bomb makers, and the more colourful corners of the net can flourish...

much like now - or before... much like a version of twitters former blue tick model, or the https mechanism

a...

'legitinet'

a... 'mid road wholesome net'

and a...

wwn. (wild west net)

or

1. gov, media, science, unis, institutions etc. net

2. kids, familes and the sqeamish net

3. wild west net

it's kinda where we are now - but with obvious labelling, boundaries, and barricades...

not perfect - but better than nothing...

censorship is never the answer

it just fuels the developed rampant mistrust that was already out of control...

a fault of BOTH sides

'community notes' is a good mechanism... somewhat democratic and challengable - it sorts shit pretty quick...

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basesix Tuesday, 10 Sep 2024 at 2:57pm
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your sleuthing might have been better placed assessing the validity of the video...

nah, what's a bit of mistaken bushmeat between cultures?

I was more concerned at seeing people calling humans that eat ducks 'cannibals'. bewildering gutter, that social media space of yours, don't know how you do it. I'm sure it's fascinating.

It did bring to mind a hapless migrant who bagged a possum in Mount Gambier for his family's pot. Caused a huge stink. There was a big sit down and it was explained to the migrant that native animals are for our visual and tourist pleasure, and that we have industrialised killing factories that process European animals out of sight of respectable people. The migrant asked if the European animals wreck the soil with their hooves, and require a lot of water. The Locals laughed and replied 'they sure do!'.

There was much mirth and backslapping, and now Hayma buys his protein at woolies, earning money to do so by pushing trolleys about in the car park. I'm sure the Haitians will work it out, if there is a real story there.

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Jelly Flater Tuesday, 10 Sep 2024 at 3:01pm

;)

- the real story of information and control
… and the narrative driven application of cultural ‘norms’

https://m.

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basesix Tuesday, 10 Sep 2024 at 3:11pm

shit me, stiff richards, 2024 barwon river rocks gonna be fuuuun..! : )

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Pop Down Tuesday, 10 Sep 2024 at 3:25pm

I am with Sypkan .

Freedom of Speech was a human Right won hundreds of years ago , in only Some countries .

It can't be Absolute ( what is ) , but we HAD it just about , right .

Now it's gone hard Left !

It's becoming less Free and it's impossible 2 make it half Free and just Stop .

Just ask the Ministry of Information :) misinformation more likely .

We can regulate who watches crap , like porno .

Someone stops Terrorist TV Stations , from sending their stuff out !

Imagine trying to Censor Medical opinion , AGAIN ?

It is easy for One person to B judge and Jury for who can speak , in a company .

Don't leave Free Speech , 2 the Deep State 2 regulate , too much .

It won't B Free !

Imagine where Social Media and Free Speech will be , with the Minimalists in Control of the Ministry of Truth , in 20 years .

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Juliang Tuesday, 10 Sep 2024 at 3:25pm

I really like Trumps 3 main policies
We’re gonna
Drill , Drill , Drill

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Juliang Tuesday, 10 Sep 2024 at 3:29pm

The reason the electoral race is so close
Is because the main stream media ,
don’t show Trump’s incoherent, illogical
Interviews and Speeches

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AlfredWallace Tuesday, 10 Sep 2024 at 3:34pm
Juliang wrote:

I really like Trumps 3 main policies
We’re gonna
Drill , Drill , Drill

Juliang. Hi mate. Hope ya well.

Or Kill, Kill, Kill.

Do you remember the Get Smart episode with the ‘Groovy Guru’ and the ‘Sacred Cows’ singing ‘Kill, Kill, Kill ‘.What a blast.

Thats what Trump will be doing, drilling and blasting. What a loser. Showing my age now. AW

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Juliang Tuesday, 10 Sep 2024 at 3:41pm

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Juliang Tuesday, 10 Sep 2024 at 3:45pm

@ Aw
Hi mate
Trumps other 3 policies
Intimidate ,Intimidate , Intimidate!!!

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Juliang Tuesday, 10 Sep 2024 at 3:52pm

Trump knows he’s going down if he loses!!!!!!!

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sypkan Tuesday, 10 Sep 2024 at 3:54pm

"nah, what's a bit of mistaken bushmeat between cultures?

I was more concerned at seeing people calling humans that eat ducks 'cannibals'. bewildering gutter, that social media space of yours, don't know how you do it. I'm sure it's fascinating..."

It's all protein to me...

upset a few people at uni comparing our cow consumption to the righteous perpetually outraged ones talking about the chinese and dog meat

'racism' doesn't trump pets?

or didn't...

the cannibal comment isn't totally unfounded

got a vid for that too, if you're interested...

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AlfredWallace Tuesday, 10 Sep 2024 at 3:58pm
Juliang wrote:

Trump knows he’s going down if he loses!!!!!!!

Hi. I watched that last upload.

This guy is not the full 2 Bob, furthermore, if he is voted in, well , what do think about Americans.

We can’t put them all in the same basket, Wax24 is our Numero Uno , North American correspondent and down right good guy. Conundrums. AW

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Juliang Tuesday, 10 Sep 2024 at 4:06pm

All of Trumps court evasions

Show that the US isn’t really a democracy

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Juliang Tuesday, 10 Sep 2024 at 4:12pm

Hi AW
Just saw Billy the Exterminator catch a
cornered Fox
A very appropriate quote
“ Beware the cornered animal “

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Juliang Tuesday, 10 Sep 2024 at 4:23pm

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Juliang Tuesday, 10 Sep 2024 at 4:31pm

Shows how ignorant @spykans or was it @pop downs
Chicken little comments were

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Pop Down Tuesday, 10 Sep 2024 at 4:38pm

Hello Alfred

Gosh , you have nailed it .

Jules and Guys , are just like the " Scared Cows " , yelling Kill , Kill , Kill Trump .

2nd time they have fallen 4 it , this month .

What Dill , Dill Dill's !!!

Juliang is sounding like Himy , stuck on replaying everything .

Please let him know the US is a Republic , then he might get it ?

U are groovy and U sure are a Guru , but don't C U , as a regular band member .

What a blast !

Trump has done a Gazillion hours of interviews with both friends and foes .

U guys think everything he says , is like how I write , a Fruit Salad delivered by a Fruit Loop .

The Debate will show us who is the biggest Fruit Cake , Harris or Trump .

Harris's record shows , a taste of what is to come .

The US is not 50% Deplorables ffs !

If you don't like half the fn people , don't Go the fk there .

They sure won't care about a Bunch of fn Sacred Cows , mooing all the time .

Enjoy boys .

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indo-dreaming Tuesday, 10 Sep 2024 at 4:45pm
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shit me, stiff richards, 2024 barwon river rocks gonna be fuuuun..! : )

Dont mind a few of their songs, but even better next weekend at the Barwon club Fridge & GRYTT

If it wasn't so far id be there with bells on.

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indo-dreaming Tuesday, 10 Sep 2024 at 4:47pm

More lighted hearted stuff

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GuySmiley Tuesday, 10 Sep 2024 at 4:52pm
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I'm with Old Dog.

Twenty years since FB launched - just twenty! - we've got an insight into the chaos social media wreaks. Firstly run by amoral libertarians, now by sociopaths. The argument put forth is 'how can you live with censorship', but I sometimes wonder how society will withstand the opposite - a wholly deregulated and chaotic media-scape. Imagine where things will be in another twenty years?

There's been a lot of time and energy spent prosecuting the evils of censorship - and for good reason - but how about spending some time wondering the inverse: where social media and free speech absolutism is taking us.

Bloody well said @stu.

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Pop Down Tuesday, 10 Sep 2024 at 5:22pm

Evening Stu

Your well written words say Sociopaths , are now Running/Owning Social Media companies .

I agree !

I do wonder why U think , those Sociopaths like Zuckerberg @ Facebook , should be allowed , encouraged or forced , to Censor people like Kennedy .

Just because Biden didn't like his tune on Covid .

Or a country like France or Brazil , deciding they should censor a Telegram or X ?

Free Speech is not a left or right issue , I thought .

If we are going to Err , ffs do it on the Free Side .

It's a Keystone of Australian society .

Whatever is taken away , won't come back !

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tubeshooter Tuesday, 10 Sep 2024 at 5:18pm

I occasionally channel surf between FOX, CNN and MSMBS On Foxtel for a laugh.
I don't know how anyone can see any of them to be credible news sources.

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Juliang Tuesday, 10 Sep 2024 at 5:32pm

Of course @ pop down
Knows more about things , than the
10 retired Admirals and Generals ,
who are usually apolitical
Signing a letter backing Kamala Harris
Over the unstable and dangerous Trump

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Juliang Tuesday, 10 Sep 2024 at 5:47pm

It’s funny how the billionaires , who made their fortune under the democratic system
Are now pushing for an authoritarian system
Where anything could happen
And they would be the first to be turned on by an unstable Trump , if they went against him

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stunet Tuesday, 10 Sep 2024 at 5:56pm

Look Jules, I know you love a good rant. But you've gotta mix it up, mate.

Here's a tip: Trump on Monday, Dutton on Tuesday, Murdoch on Wednesday, 'the billionaires' on Thursday, and fascism on Friday, then take the weekend off.

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Juliang Tuesday, 10 Sep 2024 at 6:06pm

@stunet
I probably will take the year off after nov 5
When the lying has died down

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Juliang Tuesday, 10 Sep 2024 at 6:18pm

I’ll probably consign politics back to the boring , passing interest , category, after the US election
And leave all the subtle nuances, to the cool dudes

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etarip Tuesday, 10 Sep 2024 at 6:40pm

PD - where did you hear that Telegram got closed? My account is still active.

Or, did you make that up too?

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Juliang Tuesday, 10 Sep 2024 at 6:53pm

@
Well as long as TBBs rants aren’t worth
mentioning
Ha ha

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AlfredWallace Tuesday, 10 Sep 2024 at 7:12pm

Jules. Here you go, this might help, you gotta mix it up mate. !!!!!

The Beat Goes On. AW

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basesix Tuesday, 10 Sep 2024 at 7:13pm

ken-wooooood...!

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AlfredWallace Tuesday, 10 Sep 2024 at 7:13pm
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ken-wooooood...!

So would Barbie. AW

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wax24 Tuesday, 10 Sep 2024 at 7:18pm
stunet wrote:

I'm with Old Dog.

Twenty years since FB launched - just twenty! - we've got an insight into the chaos social media wreaks. Firstly run by amoral libertarians, now by sociopaths. The argument put forth is 'how can you live with censorship', but I sometimes wonder how society will withstand the opposite - a wholly deregulated and chaotic media-scape. Imagine where things will be in another twenty years?

There's been a lot of time and energy spent prosecuting the evils of censorship - and for good reason - but how about spending some time wondering the inverse: where social media and free speech absolutism is taking us.

Yep, Stu. Something i consider often, but have not been able to communicate. You did a great job of it, thanx.

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Juliang Tuesday, 10 Sep 2024 at 7:48pm

@AW
I get your point
but I try to use the most recent videos
so try to cram a lot of information in while the videos are still new
And comment on them , while they are still in
my memory
Otherwise the videos pass into oblivion

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basesix Tuesday, 10 Sep 2024 at 7:56pm
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Otherwise the videos pass into oblivion

you know that's a good thing, right?
quite a few people come in from the cold
to shelter at SN from 24-hour rain.

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Juliang Tuesday, 10 Sep 2024 at 8:00pm

I agree with Stan Grant
When he talks about the hostility of
social media, damaging the fabric of society

The old insult/ advice, facade

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Juliang Tuesday, 10 Sep 2024 at 8:07pm

@ basesix
Yes but it is a USA thread
and there’s so much information ,
and so little time before the election
After that,I probably won’t give a toss