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factotum started the topic in Thursday, 27 Aug 2020 at 11:12am

Septic Tanks are going to Septic Tank

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velocityjohnno Tuesday, 7 Mar 2023 at 1:09pm

My concern with what gsco is suggesting above (Aus back away from US and be independent) is that in a world with 1 or 2 great powers, all of the middle powers will come under the influence of one or the other. This is inevitable. Power abhors a vacuum, and so if we were to turn our back on the US, then it is reasonable to assume Chinese influence/defence cooperation/or worse would take it's place.

If this were the case, would the future for Australia be something like this?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sinicization_of_Tibet

Or is wiki way off the mark in what's going on there? I could link a very pro Tibetan source describing what they say has happened, or an interpretation from the Chinese side, but for now the general wiki page will do. Is this an ethnic replacement?

My interest in much of this is spiritual, and it must be mentioned that China is the source and has harboured of some truly remarkable and precious traditions in this regard as well.

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gsco Tuesday, 7 Mar 2023 at 1:18pm

What about Switzerland VJ?

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DAW Tuesday, 7 Mar 2023 at 2:29pm

Bizarre?coming from the defender of everything chinese,pffft

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gsco Tuesday, 7 Mar 2023 at 2:56pm

I think you mean from the defender of Australia.

I see that Paul Keating is also having a blowup about some (more) ridiculously irresponsible Australia media "reporting" today (also see below). Actually my views are quite similar to his.

If we follow the US into war with China it will be last drinks for our peaceful, prosperous, abundant and free way of life, so I'd suggest everyone quit their jobs right now and get in as many surfs as they can before we become an even larger open-cut hole in the ground than we already are from our mining companies.

The Guardian wrote:

Nine’s China war risk story is ‘news abuse’, Keating says
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The former prime minister Paul Keating has taken aim at the Sydney Morning Herald and the Age over the papers’ coverage of national security threats facing Australia.

In a strongly worded statement issued today, Keating said:

Today’s Sydney Morning Herald and Age front page stories on Australia’s supposed war risk with China represents the most egregious and provocative news presentation of any newspaper I have witnessed in over fifty years of active public life.

It is way worse than the illustrated sampans shown to be coming from China in the build up to the war in Vietnam in the 1960s.

Apart from the outrageous illustrations of jet aircraft being shown leaving a profiled red-coloured map of China, the extent of the bias and news abuse is, I believe, unparalleled in modern Australian journalism.

Nine and the journalists have been contacted to offer them a right to respond.

But the coverage to which Keating objects features a panel of five national security experts who have issued a statement labelled “Red Alert”.

They said they believed Australia “faces the prospect of armed conflict in the Indo-Pacific within three years”, with the most serious risk being a “a Chinese attack on Taiwan that sparks a conflict with the US and other democracies, including Australia”. The panel said it based its assertions on Xi Jinping’s aggressive stance and rapid military buildup. It also said Australia was not prepared for conflict, and the federal government was “reluctant to openly identify the threat we face: an increasingly aggressive Communist China”.

The online version of the story is headlined: Australia faces the threat of war with China within three years – and we’re not ready.

Keating is a longstanding critic of the current bipartisan consensus on Australia’s national outlook and policies such as Aukus. At the National Press Club in November 2021, Keating urged Australia not to be drawn into a military engagement over Taiwan, “US-sponsored or otherwise”, and said Taiwan was “fundamentally a civil matter” for China. He also referred to Taiwan as China’s “front doorstep”.

Taiwan’s ministry of foreign affairs responded to Keating’s intervention in 2021 by saying a crisis in the Taiwan Strait was “by no means a domestic matter between Chinese, and the security of the Taiwan Strait involves the stability and prosperity of the Indo-Pacific region, but also the global peace, stability and development”.

As mentioned, Nine has been contacted for comment.

Keating seems to be one of a small handful of sane, level-headed people on this.

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adam12 Tuesday, 7 Mar 2023 at 3:24pm

"Keating seems to be one of a small handful of sane, level-headed people on this."
Another is Bruce Haigh, a former soldier and diplomat who is on twitter a lot and has written a number of articles on this. He hates AUKUS and ASPI.
There is speculation that Costello put this "Red Alert" out to distract attention from the disastrous LNP performance and polling and the Robodebt inquiry.
I've got no idea but I think if they do act, the Chinese wouldn't attack, they would blockade Taiwan and pressure them that way to re-unify and put the onus on the USA to attack, or not. I think that would be Xi's idea of a peaceful re-unification, Interesting times. If we get drawn into a Pacific war then we are fucked, no doubt about it and it will be us fighting against an enemy built with our coal and ore. Thanks Twiggy and Gina, and both sides of politics. Wasn't too long ago we were being told how to embrace China and the 'new Asian Century'.

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andy-mac Tuesday, 7 Mar 2023 at 3:42pm

@adam12 There is speculation that Costello put this "Red Alert" out to distract attention from the disastrous LNP performance and polling and the Robodebt inquiry.

Would not be surprised. Fark they are just being dangerous now, its one thing to bullshit about Labor, quite another to speak crap about a more powerful country such as China, our number 1 trading partner. Yep Australia would be fucked (well and truly!) if a war broke out with China. Really besides sleepwalking to one as a vassal of the USA, why would China want a war with Australia. Makes no sense.
Fear mongering went next level.

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sypkan Tuesday, 7 Mar 2023 at 5:26pm

"Keating seems to be one of a small handful of sane, level-headed people on this."

keating just seems terribly desperate to preserve his legacy to me...

I love the guy (and hate the term) ...but... 'cognitive dissonace' ...seems appropriate...

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gsco Tuesday, 7 Mar 2023 at 5:42pm

Bruce Haigh seems to be fighting the good fight - for peace - as is Paul Keating.

The US “China attack Taiwan” global information and psychological warfare campaign, and its China economic-technology-military containment and rollback campaign, are in next level hyperdrive with no end in sight.

The world needs to stop and with clear eyes and a level head ask the question: “Is the China threat real or is it our actions that are making it real?”

It’s now beyond domestic politicisation and China-bashing point scoring, anti-China resentment and racism, political and national pride, political and economic ideology, media article clicks, multinational corporate profits, historical irritations and resentments, etc.

Level heads, facts and evidence, skilful diplomacy, tact and statesmanship need to prevail.

This is how we’re asleep at the wheel.

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sypkan Tuesday, 7 Mar 2023 at 5:50pm

I love you too gsco...

you provide great in depth knowledge on a number of topics. and I sincerely appreciate you giving, what is often, a contrarian perspective on any number of topics, not just china...

but how the fuck keating, and you, can totally overlook certain recent events, is frustrating to say the least..

1. nearly every neighbouring country to china, take issue with their expansionism into the south china sea - including indonesia, who love the role as china's bitch...

2. you don't see building military bases, in said sea, as 'escalationary'?

3. whoever is responsible for 'the virus'... how the hell anyone can overlook china banning domestic flights from wuhan, when the virus first broke out, yet permitting international flights out of wuhan to continue, is beyond me...

that can only possibly be interpreted as an 'act of aggression'

....or at the very best, a total disregard for human life and any semblance of the responsibility of being a good (or even very below average) 'global citizen'...

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velocityjohnno Tuesday, 7 Mar 2023 at 6:21pm

Hi gsco, I do appreciate your posts as well, thank you for the in depth economic posts. I tend to disagree at times, that's a forum.

Re: Switzerland - they are all armed. They're armed to the teeth. Ie the citizenry. To paraphrase Yamamoto Isoruku: "There's a gun behind every blade of grass." That might go some way to ensure their independence.
Also, they tend to do the banking of the leaders of many nations... this might disincentivise things like invasion. I once read Lenin had about 10mil of gains stashed... And lastly, everyone loves a good watch and chocolate.

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gsco Tuesday, 7 Mar 2023 at 6:44pm

Syp, I was going to say the other day that you provided some great and deep insight into The Voice and indigenous Australian issues more generally.

Re your post, my guess is Keating can see the bigger picture that 100s of millions of lives are legitimately at stake. In the scheme of things he knows what are more like minor annoyances. He knows what fights to pick between countries and not to get one’s ego and pride caught up in tit-for-tax scenarios over things that don’t achieve national interests. He understands diplomacy, statecraft, and proper ways to wield influence and manage long-term relationships.

(Not saying I do btw.)

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bonza Tuesday, 7 Mar 2023 at 6:38pm

Did he just to pull the racism card.? Is that woke?The outrage is strong on here.

Gsco the libs have been politically point scoring last couple years no doubt with their anti CCP rhetoric. they saw a opportunity given the public sentiment at the time re CCP shitfuckery and they exploited it for their political purpose…. Eventually…when it suited.

The way you are carrying on however is thin skinned faux outrage. And it’s naive. . Some of us can walk and chew gum at the same time. CCP aren’t innocent. USA has form. And Australian government / opposition have been acted mostly in self interest tackling a highly complex situation in a juvenile fashion.

That said I welcome your input and others in your favour with your arguments holding the west to account. War is not an option.

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flollo Tuesday, 7 Mar 2023 at 6:48pm
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Hi gsco, I do appreciate your posts as well, thank you for the in depth economic posts. I tend to disagree at times, that's a forum.

Re: Switzerland - they are all armed. They're armed to the teeth. Ie the citizenry. To paraphrase Yamamoto Isoruku: "There's a gun behind every blade of grass." That might go some way to ensure their independence.
Also, they tend to do the banking of the leaders of many nations... this might disincentivise things like invasion. I once read Lenin had about 10mil of gains stashed... And lastly, everyone loves a good watch and chocolate.

Comparison with Switzerland is not relevant. Switzerland is surrounded by European Union and even though Switzerland is not part of the union, the attack on Switzerland would de facto mean an attack on the European Union. And there are many that would defend it.

Australia, on the other hand is a continent with only 25 million residents. Situated on the bottom of the planet and rich with resources. Surrounded by the ocean and can be attacked from any direction. We either need a massive military complex or strong alliances to defend ourselves if something goes south. So, I don’t think we can be Switzerland or anything like that. It’s a different set of circumstances.

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velocityjohnno Tuesday, 7 Mar 2023 at 7:01pm

Yep, I think a way more relevant historical parallel might be the Dutch East Indies in 1941 when they decided to stop supplying oil to Imperial Japan. There's a really good series on this on YT, will try to find.

They were an underdefended resource exporter that said no to a very militarised customer, in our region.

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velocityjohnno Tuesday, 7 Mar 2023 at 7:05pm

Here it is, multiple videos on this playlist, superb work by this fellow:

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLkwc6O1DGECndVDbh_QIDv8Uo0q-EbXa1

Note how the defence, and the ABDA force, was swept away, and fast.

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gsco Tuesday, 7 Mar 2023 at 7:13pm

They’re being very clear about it, we need to listen: https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-03-07/china-us-surely-be-conflict-qin-g...

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flollo Tuesday, 7 Mar 2023 at 7:17pm

@VJ Agreed. This is the reason why I’m not on board with some of our politicians pursuing a ban on fossil fuel export in the name of climate change. Let me be clear, I’m not a climate change sceptic by any means and my position here didn’t come from some anti climate change angle. Every decision will have a multi variate impact and this one might lead to someone declaring that Australia has too many resources for its 25 million residents. This might sound like fantasy but I don’t see it that way. Certainly Kim Jong-un can easily rationalise a decision to attack Australia on this basis.

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flollo Tuesday, 7 Mar 2023 at 7:22pm
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They’re being very clear about it, we need to listen: https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-03-07/china-us-surely-be-conflict-qin-g...

Taiwan is a very messy situation. The way I see it, Taiwan was always part of China (well, after the 17th century) with the exception of brief Japanese rule. Current Chinese government is internationally recognised which makes Taiwanese a separatist movement. The fact that it dragged in relative peace over decades doesn’t change that fact. So from that angle I believe it is an internal issue for China to solve. I would be very careful with getting involved into this situation.

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etarip Tuesday, 7 Mar 2023 at 8:04pm

The PRC / CCP has never exerted sovereignty over Taiwan.

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sypkan Tuesday, 7 Mar 2023 at 8:33pm

I think the most curious thing about the china appeasers position is, it is like the last few decades didn't happen...

as bonza says, both parties bent over backwards to accomodate china, then we bent over forwards, to take some more... absolutely reamed, at all angles...

and 'the narrative' was all china china china, as 'the china century' unfolded...

where never an ill word was to be uttered at all publically... not even close... as cries of 'racism' (from both sides) shut down anyone who even dared considering preserving parts of australia for australians and the future... (shock horror!)

even so when, the mind numbingly dumb, deal of selling the darwin port off for 99 years or whatever went down

people could see where shit was heading... farmlands, airstrips, ports, uni curriculmns, and money hole houses for the chinese mafia...

no amount of greed was too much... regardless of our party in power

china enjoyed their 'silent invasion'

...and who could blame them? ...both parties couldn't bend over enough...

the media couldn't bend over enough either

it was a concerted compliance through every level of power in australian society

then a minor pushback occured - not a loving, give me more pushback - more a coarse, bogan toned, jaquie lambie style '...you two cannot be serious!!!' style pushback...

but the money machine rolled on...

with ever increasing senitivity - ever losing subtlety -cries of 'racism' coming from the embedded chinese infrastructure

then pre corona, china went all full wolf warrior... at a time when australia had essentially done nothing wrong really... pulled up haiwei possibly... (which was also mind numbingly dumb) but not much else really...

china went all full hissy fit, gloves off, ...before corona even hit!

then after corona, clearly things hit maximum low... but really, to this point, australia had accomodated their every whim - as all our major politicians sold us for a song...

I cannot, for the life of me, see how china could possibly see we were doing anything different other than looking after our own interests (as they do at every single opportunity!) but they carried on like a pork chop...

I personally think it was all a big act, an orchestrated hissy fit, to buy them, and their big plans some time... i cannot see it any other way...

maybe it was legit...

maybe they were really taken aback by our new found brashness...

maybe its the century of shame, and all the psychology that comes with that...

whatever it was, the love was well gone... the supposed 'symbiosis' was beyond worn out...

and that's well well before their behaviour around corona sunk some solid nine inch nails in the rotten coffin

does paul keating believe australia should remain inverted to their every whim indefinitely?

to appease their every sensitivity?

forever...

because of... 'the china century'

seems to me, bailing that abusive relationship, was the best thing morrison ever did

be it ever so belatedly, reluctantly, and ever so tactlessly...

economists now saying china dominance on 20 year delay...

morrison's tactless ignorance was a stroke of genius

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etarip Tuesday, 7 Mar 2023 at 8:25pm

I agree that we shouldn’t go to war over Taiwan. It would be abject policy failure by all sides.

But why would China? And why do you think that their self-professed right to unify though force is more valid than Taiwans right to self-defence. Taiwan possesses no offensive military capability that threatens China in any significant way.

If they’re confident in the inevitability of unification, why would they seek to impose this on the Taiwanese? If they care about the lives of ethnically Chinese people living in Taiwan (Taiwanese), why would they undertake military action against them?

Why shouldn’t the Taiwanese have the right to self-determination anyway? Is Taiwanese autonomy, or even independence, an existential threat to China? If so, how?

gsco mentioned a few days ago that Chinese people he knows don’t want to have to go to war over Taiwan (or something similar). That’s interesting but entirely irrelevant. They have absolutely no bearing or influence over the decisions of the CCP. Zero. Nada. Interesting contrast.

I’m for status quo by the way. And the right of Taiwan to make a decision on which way it wants to go. When it wants to.

Also, if you haven’t read it, here’s the link to US policy on Taiwan.
https://www.state.gov/u-s-relations-with-taiwan/#:~:text=We%20oppose%20a....

“ The United States approach to Taiwan has remained consistent across decades and administrations. The United States has a longstanding one China policy, which is guided by the Taiwan Relations Act, the three U.S.-China Joint Communiques, and the Six Assurances. We oppose any unilateral changes to the status quo from either side; we do not support Taiwan independence; and we expect cross-Strait differences to be resolved by peaceful means. We continue to have an abiding interest in peace and stability across the Taiwan Strait. Consistent with the Taiwan Relations Act, the United States makes available defense articles and services as necessary to enable Taiwan to maintain a sufficient self-defense capability -– and maintains our capacity to resist any resort to force or other forms of coercion that would jeopardize the security, or the social or economic system, of Taiwan.”

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flollo Tuesday, 7 Mar 2023 at 8:44pm
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The PRC / CCP has never exerted sovereignty over Taiwan.

No it didn’t. And if it did we wouldn’t have this discussion. My point is, it’s not a far fetched theory to see this as Chinese internal issue. Territory itself is part of China. CCP was recognised as the only representative of Chinese people by UN in 1971 - https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations_General_Assembly_Resoluti... which gives them a legitimate claim to have control over the territory.

Taiwanese have every right to self determination but ‘legally speaking’ the case is sketchy to say the least. Only 13 countries recognise Taiwan and therefore have no diplomatic ties with China. It’s interesting to note that Solomon Islands and Kiribati withdrew their recognition in 2019 and coincidentally expanded their relationships with China. So, China is definitely out there expanding its influence. This theory that they are just responding to provocations and looking after their internal issues is also oversimplified and incorrect.

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sypkan Tuesday, 7 Mar 2023 at 10:14pm

the narative!

gonna be a hell of a week for tucker carlson

some won't watch... because it's tucker carlson..

some will watch... and go... but but but, it's tucker carlson...

and some will watch... and go... my fucking god... the machine is so so broken...

(but we already knew that)

https://nypost.com/2023/03/05/house-speaker-kevin-mccarthy-gives-tucker-...

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frog Tuesday, 7 Mar 2023 at 11:20pm

Seems like 2023 is the year for some blow back on those who span narratives too far into fiction and propaganda.

Covid
J6
Hunter
Russia gate
+ a few more.

One would hope some lessons are learnt and leaders might actually try to govern and news might become news again rather than focussing on manipulation so much.

But I doubt it.

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etarip Wednesday, 8 Mar 2023 at 12:04am

You trust the integrity of the “fact-finding mission” of Tucker Carlson? After the recent Murdoch deposition?

Serious?

No, I’m serious. Are you serious?

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etarip Wednesday, 8 Mar 2023 at 12:18am

Flollo, there’s an article / paper I read a few years back that explains the nuance of interpretation of the ‘One China’ policy from the perspective of a former senior diplomat. I haven’t been able to find it, but I’ll have another look. In the meantime, I’ll paraphrase what I remember.

The simple version of one-china is that the ‘winner’ of the Chinese civil war has claim to rule over the territory that constituted China circa 1949.

The other, more nuanced, approach is that the One China means that only one country can speak as the legitimate government of China. This, the PRC, ruled by the CCP is China.
The Republic of China (ROC), which is the ‘official’ name of China between 1900 and 1949, and was continued by the defeated KMT (nationalists) after they were pushed to Taiwan. (They actually held the UN seat for China until 1971)

Recognition of ‘One China’ extinguished the recognition of the Nationalist claim to ‘rule’ of China and identified that the PRC was China. There weren’t two Chinas.

This policy / recognition in Australia’s eyes did not cede any specific legitimacy over PRC claims over Taiwan itself, and did not extinguish the right to self-determination.

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etarip Wednesday, 8 Mar 2023 at 12:19am
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Seems like 2023 is the year for some blow back on those who span narratives too far into fiction and propaganda.

One would hope some lessons are learnt and leaders might actually try to govern and news might become news again rather than focussing on manipulation so much.

But I doubt it.

@frog - are you going to put ‘rigged election’ onto this list, in the interests of balance and consistency?

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sypkan Wednesday, 8 Mar 2023 at 12:30am

I don't trust anything

tucker clearly has his agenda, as do his critics...

but geez, that footage of cops escorting a qanon shaman terrorist through the halls of the capitol sure revealed how dangerous he was...

those cops are lucky to be alive

spine chilling stuff

I can see why the j6 committee kept such imagery away from the public eye

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seeds Wednesday, 8 Mar 2023 at 12:31am

Any links to them escorting him. I’d like to see that. Was a crazy event. Only seen pics which I’d assume were frames or screenshots of footage.

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andy-mac Wednesday, 8 Mar 2023 at 7:03am
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You trust the integrity of the “fact-finding mission” of Tucker Carlson? After the recent Murdoch deposition?

Serious?

No, I’m serious. Are you serious?

Miranda Divine....
Geez msm might be shit, but Murdoch and his minions are lying manipulating scum....

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Supafreak Wednesday, 8 Mar 2023 at 7:04am
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Any links to them escorting him. I’d like to see that. Was a crazy event. Only seen pics which I’d assume were frames or screenshots of footage.

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frog Wednesday, 8 Mar 2023 at 7:15am
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You trust the integrity of the “fact-finding mission” of Tucker Carlson? After the recent Murdoch deposition?

Serious?

No, I’m serious. Are you serious?

My comment was not much about Tucker or even J6. It more reflected a view that the pendulum of balance for news coverage of many events in the past few years and the political positions taken on matters of importance have swung well away from a balanced middle position.

Covid is the most impactful of the list I mentioned where fear and group think among experts and the media pushed decision making into quite extreme solutions out of proportion to the risk to the majority of the population and made policy slow to change as facts changed.

On J6 - in my view a terrible day for democracy and the events were encouraged by trumpy. The events in some form were forseeable by Trump but he let it happen.

But I also think some pretty innocent bystanders outside the building in the crowd and some (foolish) people who wandered into the building almost like tourists wandering around taking photos have been treated like dangerous conspirators. There is some hysteria in the reaction and the investigation and some weirdness about how the Capital Hill police prepared for and acted on the day.

Tucker has released surveillance footage showing Capitol Police calmly escorting the so-called "QAnon Shaman," Jacob Chansley, throughout the Capitol complex, and even helped him find open doors.

Does that have deep meaning or implications? Not really. But it is interesting that a person presented as a lead conspirator on J6 was left to roam around the building and came within touching distance of nine police officers. He was more a clown in fancy dress roaring occasionally than Guy Fawkes.

A more balanced coverage might have pondered on such matters.

Tucker's stories will have their own slant of course but will reveal here and there how out of balance the longstanding coverage of the event has been.

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seeds Wednesday, 8 Mar 2023 at 7:35am

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That is bizarre. Was that before the chaos? They didn’t just escort him out with or without force?

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Supafreak Wednesday, 8 Mar 2023 at 8:18am
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That is bizarre. Was that before the chaos? They didn’t just escort him out with or without force?

If you click on that Twitter link and scroll through the comments there is a wide range of footage , I’ve no idea of the timestamps for all this chaos. I’ve no doubt many were peaceful and many were itching for a fight . The bloke that got 4 years jail seems like a scapegoat and got stitched up .

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seeds Wednesday, 8 Mar 2023 at 8:25am

Yeah I realise he got 4 years. Seems excessive if he was passive. He did become the poster boy lapped up by the media. I’ll have a bit of a scroll. cheers

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Supafreak Wednesday, 8 Mar 2023 at 8:32am

Interesting article. not sure if this is true or not “ Jacob Chansley, the so-called “QAnon shaman” who was adorned on Jan. 6 in red, white and blue face paint, carried an American flag on a spear-tipped pole and wore a coyote-fur and horned headdress, pleaded guilty to obstruction. He was sentenced to more than three years in prison. Chansley, who says he is a practitioner of ahimsa, an ancient Indian principle of non-violence toward all living beings, was not accused of assaulting anyone. He was diagnosed in prison with transient schizophrenia, bipolar disorder, depression and anxiety.”
https://chrishedges.substack.com/p/lynching-the-deplorables

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frog Wednesday, 8 Mar 2023 at 8:35am

New footage released by Tucker shows the martyred police officer Brian Sicknick described to have been murdered by the mob on J6 enabling the word "deadly" to be labelled on J6 (but who died the next day of a stroke) walking around with a helmet on directing foot traffic after the fire extinguisher incident.

An example of the pendulum of bias in the narrative swinging back towards the middle.

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etarip Wednesday, 8 Mar 2023 at 8:57am

Do you have an opinion on the propriety of the House Leader providing the 41k hours of footage to FOX, and not to any other ‘news’ organisations? Does that seem balanced to you? No one else got it. Release of images into the public sphere is now controlled by the very same media organisation that has admitted knowing that claims of election fraud were false, yet pushed them for months, up to the Jab 6 incident and then after.

Or are you not questioning that as well?

Do you see any conflict of interest here at all?

Your complaint above about biased and misleading narratives seems a little shallow in this context.

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sypkan Wednesday, 8 Mar 2023 at 11:33am

the release of footage to fox and fox only is totally bizarre and unbalanced...

but it would appear to be a direct result of a toally unbalanced and bizarre show trial that ran for 6 months or more

totally bizarre, unbalanced, but proportional...

actually, not really proportional... the dems and their media are still winning bizarre and unbalanced by a magnitude of 10 at least

couldn't really give a shit what politico thinks, they are as complicit and unbalanced as anyone in the narrative wars, they would do well however, to address the content, rather than continue this ridiculous deplatform mentality...

did the dems machine really believe they could maintain this meticulously manicured narrative forever?

did they really believe they would have control of government, and said narrative, indefinitely, with no contingency plan in place to deal with pending outfall?

they seem terribly short sighted in everythimg they do... every 'scandal' they propagate... every thought bubble they grasp to...

they just seem dumb, and frankly, not up to the task

their obsession with narrative control runs deep, it would seem an ideological indoctrination, that creates a massive blind spot in the public sphere, that only their hubris and disdain for the public could possibly go close to explaining their non attention to addressing it

so back to the images...

is it not bizarre the police escort with wolfman?

is it not so far from the sold story it is just weird?

is it not alarming wolfman seemingly will go to jail for a long time for political affiliation more than anything else?

and the police... what the hell was going on in the wider context?

the whole thing is just plain weird... and questions and interest don't equate to partisan nuttery...

or shouldn't

gonna be an interesting week of image dumping

and fallout

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frog Wednesday, 8 Mar 2023 at 12:40pm

I don't think it is balanced. As an observer, I find both sides quite disturbing and am a fan of neither.

US politics has become a bit like a bizarre WWE wrestling match, with weird and biased meeting weird and biased to duke it out under the spotlight.

Seeing a decent punch thrown by one side as a crude counterbalance to some concerning aspects of the others narrative probably is shallow thinking but it is WWE after all.

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Westofthelake Wednesday, 8 Mar 2023 at 5:23pm

"gonna be an interesting week of image dumping". Yea nah, maybe for the FOX/MAGA/GOP squad. Apparently the Jan 6 event was just a peaceful protest. I must have been in a different parallel universe to one I watched at the time. As for Tucker Carlson, Colbert sums him up perfectly as the "... toddler sucking on a dog turd".

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sypkan Wednesday, 8 Mar 2023 at 5:59pm

you asked for it...

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indo-dreaming Wednesday, 8 Mar 2023 at 8:50pm
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I don't trust anything

tucker clearly has his agenda, as do his critics...

but geez, that footage of cops escorting a qanon shaman terrorist through the halls of the capitol sure revealed how dangerous he was...

those cops are lucky to be alive

spine chilling stuff

I can see why the j6 committee kept such imagery away from the public eye

Okay that is bizzare, im confused???

This is before?

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sypkan Wednesday, 8 Mar 2023 at 9:10pm

I may have indulged a little sarcasm

or, possibly, just going with the narrative of hyperbole and delusion...

more deception actually

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etarip Wednesday, 8 Mar 2023 at 9:44pm

Off the shaman for a moment.

This is a useful précis on interpretations of One China policy for PRC, Taiwan, Australia and the US.

https://chinamatters.org.au/wp-content/uploads/2020/07/Interpretations-o...

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frog Wednesday, 8 Mar 2023 at 10:28pm

China / US

Actions and reactions seem to be sendimg both sides a bit further up the escalator.

Gets harder to jump ioff as it goes up. What lies at the top?

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2023-03-07/xi-s-frustration-at-b...

China faces some deep economic and demographic challenges that will limit its rise in wealth and economic power relative to recent history. But that does not lessen the desire to project power and can increase the tendency to isolation and nationalism and growth through acquisition.

Friction ahead - to understate things.

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etarip Wednesday, 8 Mar 2023 at 10:27pm

Taiwan is pathological, not existential, for China. That doesn’t mean that there is validity to its claim, nor that the Taiwanese right to self-determination is null.

Xi has built his legacy around unification though. That’s worrying when nationalism, isolation and internal tensions intersect.

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etarip Wednesday, 8 Mar 2023 at 10:39pm

One China policy:
This article from 2017, predating the ‘tensions’ , explains pretty clearly what I paraphrased yesterday. TL:DR. One China doesn’t mean that Australia recognises Chinas claim over Taiwan. It *acknowledges* the PRC’s claim.

https://www.lowyinstitute.org/the-interpreter/australia-s-one-china-poli...

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truebluebasher Wednesday, 8 Mar 2023 at 10:57pm

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Still not tempted...
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