Climate Change
If it is the nuclear is the right choice for China why not Australia ?
As Bloomberg reports, China has over the course of the year "revealed the extensive scope of its plans for nuclear, an ambition with new resonance given the global energy crisis and the calls for action coming out of the COP26 Climate Summit in Glasgow. The world’s biggest emitter, China’s planning at least 150 new reactors in the next 15 years, more than the rest of the world has built in the past 35."
And while this information was publicly available, it wasn't until today's extensive report from Bloomberg that traders finally paid attention.
The effort, which could cost as much as $440 billion and which by the middle of this decade could see China surpass the U.S. as the world’s largest generator of nuclear power, would mean an unprecedented scramble to secure uranium raw materials, including yellow cake, oxide and so on.
nickca wrote:From July 2021 the Vic Gov has a tax on electric vehicles I think based on kilometres driven to make up for lack of excise as compared to petrol. This may deter some from making the change. I think they justify it by saying it’s required for upkeep of roads and infrastructure.
Ironically in NSW liberals brought in a rebate scheme of up to $5k and a guarantee of no user tax until atleast 2027
Taxes will be necessary as the transition progresses but at the moment, given our need to reduce emissions, tax incentives to EV purchasers are sound policy.
Thanks DawnPeriscope.
So as I’ve found out through carpetman and BB the hybrids aren’t up to the job of towing say a caravan because the electric motor is too small. Remove IC motor more room for more battery and bigger electric motor = plenty torque and as you say right through rev range. Sounds good. Happy to learn something
An good example of how traders manipulate carbon credits . Wall Street are desperate for BIG piece of the action .
Zerohedge
As an example of Greta's actually valid point on carbon credits, in August, French energy giant TotalEnergies SE orchestrated a "carbon-neutral" liquified natural gas shipment with China National Offshore Oil Corp (Cnooc) last September. The math behind the carbon-neutral fuel "involved googling and guesswork," according to Bloomberg.
An insider who spoke with Bloomberg said junior traders at Total learned about carbon-neutral cargoes from a client who had already purchased two from Royal Dutch Shell Plc. They said the inexperienced traders were able to figure out how to neutralize the emissions of LNG through internet searches of green projects they could fund.
The traders were able to find a project thousands of miles away in Zimbabwe that allowed them to fund a carbon-neutral deal that allocated money to brush clearing to reduce wildfires. Bloomberg called the deal "complicated new math." There was limited evidence to support how Total's brush clearing in southern Africa would offset natural gas carbon emissions.
But to make it work, Total's pioneers of carbon neutrality first needed to find green projects capable of meeting two requirements: generate carbon credits backed by an international organization, without costing too much. After struggling to come up with an answer, the team set up a meeting with South Pole, a project developer based in Zurich that came recommended by rival traders. That's how $600,000 from a $17 million LNG transaction ended up, in part, paying for forest protection in Zimbabwe.
seeds, I didn't say that. Many hybrids can tow though they are are at a disadvantage to full EVs and will mainly use the petrol motor.
Worth a look.
blindboy wrote:seeds, I didn't say that. Many hybrids can tow though they are are at a disadvantage to full EVs and will mainly use the petrol motor.
Yeah that’s what I assumed it will use petrol when towing so no advantage.
I had to join the dots from everyone’s comments but as you say once charge times and range improve things are looking good
I am finding this quite ironic .
Coal was needed to keep the lights on at the all wind Climate Conference . I would have had trouble making all this up , even as a joke !
By John Constable of NetZeroWatch
The UK’s failing renewable strategy is a national embarrassment. Critically low wind power, for nearly the whole of yesterday, resulted in extremely high prices, with the two remaining coal units at Drax offering to saving the day at £4,000/MWh, nearly 100 times the wholesale price normal before the current crisis started, with many other fossil fuel generators also riding to the rescue at staggering prices.
Indeed, yesterday, 3 November, saw a new record for the total daily cost of balancing the GB electricity grid. The previous record of £38 million, twenty times the current daily average, was smashed by a margin of £6 million, with the new record standing at £44.7m.
Ford EV motor 210KW - 281 HP
https://performanceparts.ford.com/part/M-9000-MACHE
Nice Udo. Those specs would work a treat in large 4x4s
COP26 summary?
In the unlikely event that all countries achieve their promised reductions we will still be looking at 1.8-1.9C increase. The probability then is at least 2C with a risk of running towards 3C. I think this amounts to a near total failure.
blindboy wrote:COP26 summary?
In the unlikely event that all countries achieve their promised reductions we will still be looking at 1.8-1.9C increase. The probability then is at least 2C with a risk of running towards 3C. I think this amounts to a near total failure.
Sounds like a win win to me. You only have to look at the internal migration statistics for Australia to know that no one with any sense wants to live in the cold underworld and everyone who values life has moved North. Who wants the cold ? There’s no mangoes, you need a year round wetsuit and pale white skin makes beautiful people’s eyes hurt.
Only morlocks live South of 30degrees latitude. Global warming gives even the ugly stupid people form the barren frozen wastes South of Foster a shot at the good life! No wonder the orcs of Western Sydney are replacing cooling trees with black colourbond roof tops as fast as they can…..they want a taste of warm paradise !
Not having a shot, but if you are on an old banana plantation, have you ever had your soil checked for chemical residues? I came across this while I was looking for something else.
https://www.epa.nsw.gov.au/licensing-and-regulation/authorised-officers-...
https://www.theage.com.au/world/europe/remove-distortions-mathias-corman...
is mathias feeling ok?
bonza wrote:https://www.theage.com.au/world/europe/remove-distortions-mathias-corman...
is mathias feeling ok?
Flawless Groucho Marx routine from Cormann: "These are my principles, if you don't like them I have others."
And yes, the money is there.
https://www.smh.com.au/business/the-economy/the-money-is-there-the-mind-...
Blind one - here is a snippet regarding Green Steel . We all know that building windmills and solar systems requires a LOT of steel .
Critics will point out that the production of green steel – an innovative set of technologies that rely on hydrogen instead of coal – is just over the horizon. We certainly hope so, but we note that the hydrogen will have to come from fossil fuels or (gasp!) nuclear power, because otherwise the production of green hydrogen at scale will rely on the very same yet-to-be-built renewable energy infrastructure that will consume massive amounts of steel. How’s that for the circle of life?
The challenge of converting to zero emission electricity is much bigger than the green steel issue and is a key element in the overall transition. The technologies to achieve it exist and the finance is available The biggest problems are the lack of the political will within countries and the lack of skilled diplomacy between them. We have arrived at this point with very poor leadership across the wealthiest nations. Putin, Xi, Biden, Johnson, Morrison etc are not a team you would like to be betting the future of the planet on. But that is what we have.
Small fish I know but it's a sign. Rooftop solar generated electricity outstrips demand in SA
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-11-04/sa-generates-more-electricity-tha...
blindboy wrote:The challenge of converting to zero emission electricity is much bigger than the green steel issue and is a key element in the overall transition. The technologies to achieve it exist and the finance is available The biggest problems are the lack of the political will within countries and the lack of skilled diplomacy between them. We have arrived at this point with very poor leadership across the wealthiest nations. Putin, Xi, Biden, Johnson, Morrison etc are not a team you would like to be betting the future of the planet on. But that is what we have.
“The government you elect is the government you deserve.”
― Thomas Jefferson.
and even if you can't/don't vote the slag still floats to the surface
Blind One - Steel production as you would know accounts for about 8% of the human output of CO2 . If it is not in your challenges I shudder to think how big they are .
Especially as "Putin, Xi, Biden, Johnson, Morrison etc are not a team you would like to be betting the future of the planet on. "
You missed a few that are also not on your team . Modi , all of the OPEC leaders , countries aligned with Russia and the whole of the Developing world including Indo .
It would be much quicker to list all those that are on your team and give me the % of CO2 they create . I will help - start with Ahern .
These facts are one of the main reasons why , unfortunately , I believe that net zero to be " The Impossible Dream ".
If your predictions are correct the world would be much better spending the $US150 trillions mitigating the effects of Climate Change rather than trying to stop it happening by 2050 .
A long read but interesting, some good info about EVs and batteries and heaps of other stuff
(yep another link haha)
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-11-05/climate-change-cop26-untangling-t...
Thanks for that. It is an interesting read.
It simplifies a lot of things, takes away the political white-washing we seem to get fed
Thanks grag, love the positivity in a world that jumps on every little innovation with a negative spin.
Always a special interest group, always a nay-sayer, always a 'why things can't be done', always a please don't disrupt my happiness/freedom/liberty, always 'That's not how we did it in my day'.
Hopefully we will transition with minimal disruption, but if we can manage COVID, despite the negativism, perhaps there is hope for our species.
Blowin wrote:blindboy wrote:COP26 summary?
In the unlikely event that all countries achieve their promised reductions we will still be looking at 1.8-1.9C increase. The probability then is at least 2C with a risk of running towards 3C. I think this amounts to a near total failure.Sounds like a win win to me. You only have to look at the internal migration statistics for Australia to know that no one with any sense wants to live in the cold underworld and everyone who values life has moved North. Who wants the cold ? There’s no mangoes, you need a year round wetsuit and pale white skin makes beautiful people’s eyes hurt.
Only morlocks live South of 30degrees latitude. Global warming gives even the ugly stupid people form the barren frozen wastes South of Foster a shot at the good life! No wonder the orcs of Western Sydney are replacing cooling trees with black colourbond roof tops as fast as they can…..they want a taste of warm paradise !
Listening to a climate scientist the other day, the last ice age was caused by a 5 degree cooling. 3 degrees average rise across the globe may cause a few chinks in your tropical utopia mate. Wetsuits are ok.
That was a great link Gragagen.
Hey Hutchy and any other champions of denial, give it a read. Have a good hard think. Vote accordingly.
If the world was to experience an eruption like krakatoa , what effect , if any , would that have on solar power . I think the world actually cooled for a few years.
Supafreak wrote:If the world was to experience an eruption like krakatoa , what effect , if any , would that have on solar power . I think the world actually cooled for a few years.
I wonder even just forest fires like in Indo where for months its almost overcast, same thing happened the other year in Vic for weeks.
Id expect you still produce energy but would lose a fair bit of what would normally be produced.
Thats why you will always need some sort of safety net and not just short term storage (batteries/pumped hydro), but an actual fuel, initially gas as in peaking plants which latter can be changed to hydrogen when have huge excess amounts of renewable energy to produce it.
It's the same deal if you currently have a solar set up with batteries in some remote place, no matter how many batteries you have, you would be silly not to have a diesel generator sitting there with fuel as a back up measure.
Soggy -Hey Hutchy and any other champions of denial, give it a read. Have a good hard think. Vote accordingly.
Sorry my comments are viewed by you as the river in Egypt . I believe I am a realist . Humans are so amazing ( I think we will have a new zero CO2 energy source in the next 20 or so years that I haven't even heard of ) . Look at the amazing things our species have achieved in 300 ,000 years .
Mother Earth is VERY proud of us imho .
Always thinking Soggy and always vote accordingly .
Indo do you ever pause to consider that your views on the energy transition are pretty much in direct contradiction to those of the major energy intensive industries. While they see that net zero can be achieved, you apparently do not. They back.it up with detailed plans. You just assert an opinion with no evidence. Can you explain why you feel qualified to disagree with experts working in the field?
blindboy wrote:Indo do you ever pause to consider that your views on the energy transition are pretty much in direct contradiction to those of the major energy intensive industries. While they see that net zero can be achieved, you apparently do not. They back.it up with detailed plans. You just assert an opinion with no evidence. Can you explain why you feel qualified to disagree with experts working in the field?
I have no idea how you have come to that conclusion?
My views are what the experts are saying. (but we should also note, experts also have varying agreement on some things)
Im very optimistic and positive about renewables, they will succeed becomes they make economic sense, I'm doing a new build and planned my roof line orientation completely around ensuring i get the most out of my solar panels, im also looking forward to the day i have an EV, super cheap to run and low maintenance..
IMHO the narrative in much of the media and public is very negative when it should be more positive ,Australia has already hit over 50% renewables at times recently and said to hit 100% at times by 2025, per captia we have the highest solar capacity in the world (ahead of Germany) our rate of renewable uptake is one of the fastest in the world.
The only area im skeptical on is the whole battery deal, the amount of batteries needed is crazy, no country is even remotely close most have minutes of capacity if that and mostly just to even out the grid, i think California is coming closest with their new battery capacity something like 6hrs for a certain number of homes.
There is heaps of different batteries being developed but its a bit wait and see, but relying on lithium/cobalt based batteries is problematic as the battery capacity needed world wide for EV,s and Storage far outstrips supply
Batteries are also only short term storage, you need a system that provides far more than 24hrs capacity, there is also times generally very hot or cold days where energy use can peak to crazy heights you need to factor in these things too, there is some very large challenges, but as Scomo has said technology advances are the things that will join these dots, hence you can only have a rough plan and not a detailed one.
Pumped hydro and other things will fill gaps but we are talking long term and even then you will need back up systems.
The view that gas peaking plants will play an important role in the transition is reality until they can be converted to run on hydrogen this is not my opinion, its the opinion of experts (but yeah even so called experts often disagree)
Here is a very recent example in Germany where even the Greens there are admitting Gas may need to play a role until Hydrogen can take up the slack
"Greens’ chief Annalena Baerbock spoke after Scholz at the event, suggesting the parties may have agreed to the role of gas following their exploratory talks in the past weeks.
“Our clear message: gas is needed for a bridge, but all technology that is now being built must be hydrogen-ready,” explained Baerbock, following Scholz’s speech.
Her readiness to accept gas as a transition fuel is a clear shift of the German Greens’ position, which may imply a compromise to accept gas as a lesser evil in exchange for concerted climate action at the EU level."
https://www.euractiv.com/section/energy-environment/news/future-german-c...
Even this recent Guardian article bagging the government agrees.
"It starts with a complete shift to clean energy in electricity supply. In Australia, the cost-effective power system of the future is a mix of solar and wind power, with energy storage in batteries and pumped-hydro plants, and gas plants at the ready for occasional use when needed"
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/nov/02/australia-could-be...
BTW. Ive never suggested Net Zero is not possible, reducing emissions to zero is impossible, but net zero is possible because those emissions you can never stop will be offset.
So you believe, the well publicised commitment of Australia's largest electricity user the Tomago Aluminium smelter to 100% renewables by 2029 is impossible without gas?
Also the idea that a diesel generator is more reliable than a back up battery is hard to square with the large number of moveable parts they contain.
I don't know anything about the smelter or smelters and ive never commented on them before, but id be guessing its going to be running during day when there is the energy supply produced by renewables and very minimal operations at night, id assume just keeping the lights on and keeping things at stand by operational temps id assume mostly relying on wind?, but like i said i know nothing about this issue, ive barely even read an article on it.
I would have assumed in the future hydrogen would be what powers them?
In regard to batteries and generators, its not that either is more reliable than the other but it just common sense to have back up systems, in the same way that if you didnt have solar and batteries and ran on generators you would have a second generator as a back up to the first even three generators, and ideally if running swap between both every so many hours to minimise over heating and ensure constant maintenance etc
Batteries are also generally short term storage, a generator especially two or three alternating can provide long term energy only limited by fuel, they are two very different things, In the same way batteries and hydrogen are two different things.
For example you live in the outback off grid
Solar with batteries with no back up system is high risk, what if a storm comes through or something and your set up gets badly damaged your then in trouble the repair guy might not be able to fix it for weeks, or you have a week of black skys and heavy rain and your batteries get no charge but you have freezers full of food etc, then what?
The smart option is to have solar with batteries and at minimum a back up generator ideally two with a decent fuel supply.
BTW. I understand these aspects because i lived on Fraser Island for a few years all houses there rely on solar, batteries and generators my best mate there oversaw about twenty houses rentals and i was second in charge at this place and had to overseas all energy produced, water, sewage and a whole host of other aspects for about twenty house and other facilities https://www.fraserislandbeachhouses.com.au
Same deal in Indo i managed a remote resort there for a season and had to ensure staff in charge of generators and water supply etc and now im still involved in ensuring my friend in the Telos does these things too. (im pushing hard to get solar on too, but Covid has fucked that up for a while)
You always need back up systems and a back up system for the back up system.
Numerous inconsistencies and assumptions there Indo. To pick just a couple ; smelters run 24/7 and why is battery capacity assumed to be less than fuel storage capacity? I would have though it far easier for remote communities to install extra panels and batteries than rely on limited fuel storage capacity and regular deliveries capable of being disrupted and vulnerable to significant price variation.
Because battery capacity is super expensive to build up you physically need large and expensive batteries if you wanted a weeks worth of battery capacity to ensure you get by, thats a huge investment and something hard to justify if only needed once or twice a year.
Fuel can be stored much much easier a huge fuel tank is not that expensive in the scheme of things.
BTW. Im not suggesting running on fuel 24/7 im talking back up systems, and not putting all your eggs in one basket.
"Fuel can be stored much much easier a huge fuel tank is not that expensive in the scheme of things."
....but you have to pay to fill it. Once you have a battery and sufficient panels there are no further costs. What is it about burning stuff that so appeals to you?
How much fuel supply does Australia have? If imports were to cease we'd only last 2 weeks? (from memory).
I just had an epiphany, the next great Australian invention, brought to you by Scott Morrison and his good mate Barnaby. A coal powered car. They'd love it. No more relying on other countries for fuel, we've got plenty here. No need to worry about other countries not buying our coal, we can power our cars with it.
Wouldn't count it out with this lot
It’s interesting, and a bit disconcerting, watching Greta Thunberg being positioned as the Jesus Christ of climate change. The ultimate astroturfing promotional tour which will take a decade before her shouty shouts are taken as irrefutable and unrefusable dictates.
She’s not the Messiah…..she’s the product of an intricately planned and executed political effort.
gragagan wrote:I just had an epiphany, the next great Australian invention, brought to you by Scott Morrison and his good mate Barnaby. A coal powered car. They'd love it. No more relying on other countries for fuel, we've got plenty here. No need to worry about other countries not buying our coal, we can power our cars with it.
Wouldn't count it out with this lot
No one can deny the romance of a ride through the country side on a coal powered steam train. Imagine how happy we’d all be if we all drove steam powered cars! Load up the picnic basket, a blanket , lashings of ginger beer and steam off into the rolling hills powered by Newcastle’s finest export*!
* Not counting Miss Surfest or Matt Hoy.
we have the technology ;)
https://www.aph.gov.au/About_Parliament/Parliamentary_Departments/Parlia...
Blowin wrote:gragagan wrote:I just had an epiphany, the next great Australian invention, brought to you by Scott Morrison and his good mate Barnaby. A coal powered car. They'd love it. No more relying on other countries for fuel, we've got plenty here. No need to worry about other countries not buying our coal, we can power our cars with it.
Wouldn't count it out with this lotNo one can deny the romance of a ride through the country side on a coal powered steam train. Imagine how happy we’d all be if we all drove steam powered cars! Load up the picnic basket, a blanket , lashings of ginger beer and steam off into the rolling hills powered by Newcastle’s finest export*!
* Not counting Miss Surfest or Matt Hoy.
Yep just have to load up the box trailer with coal, shovel ready haha
Fliplid wrote:we have the technology ;)
https://www.aph.gov.au/About_Parliament/Parliamentary_Departments/Parlia...
I was being sarcastic (obviously), but after watching that video the idea has merit. It's not an internal combustion engine, reportedly has less dangerous emissions, less emissions overall, and can run on just about anything that burns. So you could assume that it would run on hydrogen
blindboy wrote:"Fuel can be stored much much easier a huge fuel tank is not that expensive in the scheme of things."
....but you have to pay to fill it. Once you have a battery and sufficient panels there are no further costs. What is it about burning stuff that so appeals to you?
Solar (even wind) and batteries are great, but they have limitations because they are not a fuel you need to safe guard against these limitations and not put all your eggs in one basket.
We don't have a whole heap of Hydro or any Nuclear so we will need other support measures, gas in the transition period and hydrogen in the long run.
This is not my opinion, it's what experts are saying and makes complete sense.
Blind One - I have just logged on and see that you ARE LYING ? Why when it is so EASY to check ?
You said again ( last time you linked the article ) "the well publicised commitment of Australia's largest electricity user the Tomago Aluminium smelter to 100% renewables by 2029".
You know this is total BS . I gave you my response to the CEO's view that IF we can get the price of renewable energy DOWN we HOPE the numbers will add up and we CAN get to 100% by 2029 . If that is a commitment I am Bill Gates .
I told you at the time that saying 29 , not 28 , not 30 was CEO speak which is totally unreliable . That RIO was trying to get some good publicity for the ESG investment community to digest after they blew up the sacred site .
Re post the article so EVERYONE can see if you are right and your are not a deliberate BSer .
You have will lose all credibility with me unless you correct this mistake .
As you know that is not a big worry for you as there is little credibility left . Maybe you will do it to keep some cred in the SN community ?
In 200 years time people are going to look back and wonder why we were so crazy to have supercar and formula one races wasting all that fuel. Fossil fuels that could be used for other things..
Hutchy you don't have a clue same old negative LNP talk
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