COVID-19 Health System Overload Forecaster
Interesting little article about overpopulation as a contributing factor in pandemics/epidemics increasing.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8530531/
Robo wrote:What toadkill doesn’t get is by the time you need medicine it’s too late, lucky he has the drugs to save him.
Exactly right. Our biggest killer Heart Disease starts in your teens.
Your healthy is your wealth and prevention is always better than a cure.
Here is a good post from Dr Greger:
Roadkill takes the piss out of people who think food is medicine.
He also suffers from an immunodeficiency disease.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4034518/
Reading what the group of 5 post away on here is pretty funny. So many assumptions and so much dribble.
Roadkill wrote:Reading what the group of 5 post away on here is pretty funny. So many assumptions and so much dribble.
You don’t agree with the video from Dr Greger? If not why?
burleigh wrote:Roadkill wrote:Reading what the group of 5 post away on here is pretty funny. So many assumptions and so much dribble.
You don’t agree with the video from Dr Greger? If not why?
burleigh, same as yesterday. You demand answers to questions but avoid and ignore questions asked of you. You get back what you give.
Go and get fucked. :)
@burleigh
“ and prevention is always better than a cure.”
Which is why over the past 100 or so years vaccinations have succeeded in preventing illness, disfigurement and death in countless millions of people.
AndyM wrote:@burleigh
“ and prevention is always better than a cure.”Which is why over the past 100 or so years vaccinations have succeeded in preventing illness, disfigurement and death in countless millions of people.
How did most diseases start AndyM? Through processed foods or animal agriculture.
White bread is a great example for processed food, take all the nutrition out, then sell the cure.
Roadkill wrote:burleigh wrote:Roadkill wrote:Reading what the group of 5 post away on here is pretty funny. So many assumptions and so much dribble.
You don’t agree with the video from Dr Greger? If not why?
burleigh, same as yesterday. You demand answers to questions but avoid and ignore questions asked of you. You get back what you give.
Go and get fucked. :)
If you had a rational answer you would answer to try prove me wrong, however dodging the question is an answer. Thanks
burleigh wrote:AndyM wrote:@burleigh
“ and prevention is always better than a cure.”Which is why over the past 100 or so years vaccinations have succeeded in preventing illness, disfigurement and death in countless millions of people.
How did most diseases start AndyM? Through processed foods.
White bread is a great example, take all the nutrition out, then sell the cure.
Processed foods are a relatively new development, burleigh. Prior to processed foods and white bread the world was full of disease. Fuck, you are stupid.
burleigh wrote:Roadkill wrote:burleigh wrote:Roadkill wrote:Reading what the group of 5 post away on here is pretty funny. So many assumptions and so much dribble.
You don’t agree with the video from Dr Greger? If not why?
burleigh, same as yesterday. You demand answers to questions but avoid and ignore questions asked of you. You get back what you give.
Go and get fucked. :)If you had a rational answer you would answer to try prove me wrong, however dodging the question is an answer. Thanks
Not dodging, ignoring.
Toadkills only answer is to get juiced up, that’s why he doesn’t answer.
haha. Got an old mate heading down this way next week, keen as to catch up. We've been talking about a countery Steak for yonks on catchup. Had to just tell him then the steak won't be happening as i'm banned from all indoor venues. Can have a BBQ though!! Fun times :-D
Where’s Dr Viclocal? Banned?
bluediamond wrote:Interesting little article about overpopulation as a contributing factor in pandemics/epidemics increasing.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8530531/
Nice share there, skull boy. Completely agree we are lining ourselves up for a future of more and more pandemics. Overpopulation, ease of global travel, reluctance to forgo dangerous animal agriculture and wild animal consumption, yep were screwed.
We're also extra screwed due to the fact that covid has made us weary, and sceptical (some more than others). As I've mentioned in here before, if the widow maker, hail Mary strain of covid, or some ither novel virus rolls along, I could see people moving into denial mode, rather than defend mode, even as the bodies pile up.
Post-modernism hey....ain't it gr8!
Ah right....this explains alot....we're blessed with qualified nutritionists here who specialise in novel respiratory viruses.
Pete Evans....is that you?
Stok wrote:Ah right....this explains alot....we're blessed with qualified nutritionists here who specialise in novel respiratory viruses.
Pete Evans....is that you?
Please tell me you are way older than 35? You talk like a fearful old man in their 80’s.
Good interview with Dr Zubin Damania (aka ZDoggMD)
Burleigh when you say “How did most diseases start AndyM? Through processed foods or animal agriculture”, what’s your point?
That we should live an agrarian or hunter/gatherer lifestyle away from dense populations?
It’s a ridiculous premise.
Hey Burleigh do you eat animals?
shoredump wrote:Stok comes out as an anti vaxxer, reserves the right to personal choice once he’s done his own resurch. Places the comment on a public forum where it could influence others
Comedy gold
Crazy days, right!?
My 'resurch' would probably involve talking to two GPS I know quite well, reviewing any resources they recommend I look at, and then making my own personal decision. Wouldn't post about it on here.
No Joe Rogan, no Reignite Democracy etc etc
Stok wrote:Hey Burleigh do you eat animals?
Never eaten one my whole life. Do you?
Stok wrote:shoredump wrote:Stok comes out as an anti vaxxer, reserves the right to personal choice once he’s done his own resurch. Places the comment on a public forum where it could influence others
Comedy gold
Crazy days, right!?
My 'resurch' would probably involve talking to two GPS I know quite well, reviewing any resources they recommend I look at, and then making my own personal decision. Wouldn't post about it on here.No Joe Rogan, no Reignite Democracy etc etc
You really think these Drs will say anything other than ATAGI has told/forced them to say? If they did they would be putting themselves in line for an audit/fines and possible de-registration
The whole world knows Omicold is no worse than the flu but Cindy Ahern still has authoritarian political mileage to grift. It’s the citizens ofvNZ who are personally paying the price for her folly. She needs to be locked up for her criminal behaviour.
All she is doing is ruining lives to shore up her image amongst the bed wetters, chickenshits and softcocks. Even they will learn to hate her when they realise that Cindy has run their health system into the toilet and so even the no-worse-tha-the-flu Omicold will possibly overwhelm the three hospital beds she’s left in NZ.
Another petty dictator who spreads hate speech against innocent citizens because they prefer not to get an injection.
Cindy is a cunt….and that’s putting it mildly.
https://www.smh.com.au/world/oceania/thousands-of-heartbroken-kiwis-in-l...
https://www.smh.com.au/world/oceania/thousands-of-heartbroken-kiwis-in-l...
Stok wrote:shoredump wrote:Stok comes out as an anti vaxxer, reserves the right to personal choice once he’s done his own resurch. Places the comment on a public forum where it could influence others
Comedy gold
Crazy days, right!?
My 'resurch' would probably involve talking to two GPS I know quite well, reviewing any resources they recommend I look at, and then making my own personal decision. Wouldn't post about it on here.No Joe Rogan, no Reignite Democracy etc etc
You’re a fit young bloke who’s been convinced you need annual injections to ward off a fucking flu. Whatever research you’re doing is very, very messed up.
The fact that your two (!!!) GPs would suggest you need a shot against the flu shows exactly what’s wrong with the modern concept of health.
Blowin wrote:Stok wrote:shoredump wrote:Stok comes out as an anti vaxxer, reserves the right to personal choice once he’s done his own resurch. Places the comment on a public forum where it could influence others
Comedy gold
Crazy days, right!?
My 'resurch' would probably involve talking to two GPS I know quite well, reviewing any resources they recommend I look at, and then making my own personal decision. Wouldn't post about it on here.No Joe Rogan, no Reignite Democracy etc etc
You’re a fit young bloke who’s been convinced you need annual injections to ward off a fucking flu. Whatever research you’re doing is very, very messed up.
The fact that your two (!!!) GPs would suggest you need a shot against the flu shows exactly what’s wrong with the modern concept of health.
Yep. Post of the day. Thanks Blowin
Surprise surprise. This is because dopey humans like Stok let the powers get away with it.
https://www.theage.com.au/national/victoria/victoria-records-10-589-case...
As we have been pointing out, you have signed away your freedoms for a fucking flu.
The only way out is for dopey and his weird mates to stand up and say no. Until then we’re all fucked
Hey Supa/Sypkan/Tyler Durdan/ID,
Crew on here I have respectful disagreements with ),but still may have referred to as anti vaxxers ;)
I'm listening to a podcast by Yasha Mounk (German-American political scientist. He is currently Associate Professor of Practice at Johns Hopkins University's School of Advanced International Studies in Washington) interviewing Ross Douthat (American political analyst, blogger, author and New York Times columnist.).
Ross has had an incredibly long and arduous battle with Lyme disease, much longer than the typical lifespan of the disease.
The title of the episode is 'the trouble with experts', and is Ross's recounting of his experience dealing with a chronic disease which acted outside of the typical bounds that experts agree upon.
A lot of cross over with what's going on with covid, but it is from the perspective of Ross, who likely has gained a distrust of how doctors and experts in diseases work.
So far he's essentially saying he experienced how hard it is to get experts to agree upon working outside of the commonly agreed principles of treatment of a specific disease. How instead of offering and supporting alternative treatments, respected experts were saying he's likely having psychosomatic issues rather than the physical effects of Lyme disease.
I haven't really directly experienced this, as I'm lucky enough to not have any chronic conditions which absolutely needed treatment, but I have had family members run through similar scenarios.
Whilst I feel there are similarities with covid, I do think the main difference is the novel nature of covid, and the emergency need to react in a unified manner.
Vaccination was the quickest, widely agreed upon method of action. Alternative treatments I feel will have a place in our future treatment and management of covid, and a look back will occur within the coming years or even months to see if we missed the mark with how we reacted globally.
The censoring of certain ideas and inconsistency I believe generally came out of good faith, in an attempt to ensure we acted in the most effective, rapid manner possible without faltering down paths which were not entirely agreed upon.
So essentially, whilst I still believe the best course of action for laymen like us is to listen to the most relevant and widely accepted expert advice in our country, I do think there's a fair chance some of the treatments and alternatives you guys (and girls?) look into may come into wider usage at a later date.
I know you may be genuinely curious to share these ideas and discuss from each other, but I do feel that due to the existing issues with vaccination hesitancy and trust, there does exist a responsibility to be careful what information you share, such that it doesn't get taken as advice.
Anyway, interesting podcast, happened to cross over into this thread in some manner.
Carry on.
Blowin wrote:The whole world knows Omicold is no worse than the flu but Cindy Ahern still has authoritarian political mileage to grift. It’s the citizens ofvNZ who are personally paying the price for her folly. She needs to be locked up for her criminal behaviour.
All she is doing is ruining lives to shore up her image amongst the bed wetters, chickenshits and softcocks. Even they will learn to hate her when they realise that Cindy has run their health system into the toilet and so even the no-worse-tha-the-flu Omicold will possibly overwhelm the three hospital beds she’s left in NZ.
Another petty dictator who spreads hate speech against innocent citizens because they prefer not to get an injection.
Cindy is a cunt….and that’s putting it mildly.
https://www.smh.com.au/world/oceania/thousands-of-heartbroken-kiwis-in-l...
https://www.smh.com.au/world/oceania/thousands-of-heartbroken-kiwis-in-l...
https://www.news.com.au/travel/travel-updates/travel-stories/pregnant-re...
Cant even buy a six pack without proof of double vaccines as of tomorrow.
Good luck buying food at the supermarket.
Blowin wrote:You’re a fit young bloke who’s been convinced you need annual injections to ward off a fucking flu. Whatever research you’re doing is very, very messed up.
The fact that your two (!!!) GPs would suggest you need a shot against the flu shows exactly what’s wrong with the modern concept of health.
Hey Blowin, one GP is a great one I've seen and trusted for years, the other is an extended family member I also trust.
Also, are we talking about health? Or about responding to a novel virus which we have no levels of immunity against?
A healthy diet and exercise is a basis, but not everything you need. We live jn ways humans are not designed to live....world travel, factory farming, pesticides etc etc.
indo-dreaming wrote:Good interview with Dr Zubin Damania (aka ZDoggMD)
Good discussion indo , would really like Zdogg to invite McCullough on to his podcast as McCullough has repeatedly asked anyone that wants to challenge him to do so . Zdogg was saying on this video that censorship doesn’t work and the opposite ends up happening which is true as msm tried censorship against McCullough and Malone and they ended up on a bigger platform which was Rogan and the publicity that’s followed. Why not just debate these guys publicly. All in all it was a good interview. ( their commercials were a bit weird though )
Geez, these forums get heated, but generally pretty thoughtful, and i reckon everyone ultimately has an opinion based on the health and wellbeing of people in general...
In comparison, hows the quality of vaccination talk going on in the background on the Pipe Masters Youtube....
"gnarrrrrrrrrrrr:
shaun white is licensed to give oral vaccinations
Rainer der Rasierer:
Maybe not, because his name is racist and noninclusive to black people"
Gnarr gnarr as!!
Supafreak wrote:Why not just debate these guys publicly.
Because of the bullshit asymmetry law.
Stok wrote:Supafreak wrote:Why not just debate these guys publicly.
Because of the bullshit asymmetry law.
So which part of what they are saying is bullshit ?
Blowin wrote:The whole world knows Omicold is no worse than the flu but Cindy Ahern still has authoritarian political mileage to grift. It’s the citizens ofvNZ who are personally paying the price for her folly. She needs to be locked up for her criminal behaviour.
All she is doing is ruining lives to shore up her image amongst the bed wetters, chickenshits and softcocks. Even they will learn to hate her when they realise that Cindy has run their health system into the toilet and so even the no-worse-tha-the-flu Omicold will possibly overwhelm the three hospital beds she’s left in NZ.
Another petty dictator who spreads hate speech against innocent citizens because they prefer not to get an injection.
Cindy is a cunt….and that’s putting it mildly.
https://www.smh.com.au/world/oceania/thousands-of-heartbroken-kiwis-in-l...
https://www.smh.com.au/world/oceania/thousands-of-heartbroken-kiwis-in-l...
Yep couldn't agree more. But the polls are turning against her now and the new National leader is gaining traction although they just seem to be Labour light
Supafreak wrote:Stok wrote:Supafreak wrote:Why not just debate these guys publicly.
Because of the bullshit asymmetry law.
So which part of what they are saying is bullshit ?
Nice try Supa but you know I have no intention of listening to those guys talk :)
Simply referring to the fact that raising an argument which is not factual (or say, a fact which is not properly backed up by appropriate trials and peer review) is easier than the effort to refute it with correct evidence. Hence a debate could just strengthen their positions, even if the points they raise are dubious, as their opposition may not have the time or capacity to mount a timely response.
The following they've gained among the real deadset anti vaxxers (not you) will also mean that any points of discussion which seem open, or contestable will be seen as victories for Malone.
Also, there's the fact that engaging in debate validates their position, which again could be chalked up as a win for anti vaxxers.
Stok wrote:Supafreak wrote:Stok wrote:Supafreak wrote:Why not just debate these guys publicly.
Because of the bullshit asymmetry law.
So which part of what they are saying is bullshit ?
Nice try Supa but you know I have no intention of listening to those guys talk :)
Simply referring to the fact that raising an argument which is not factual (or say, a fact which is not properly backed up by appropriate trials and peer review) is easier than the effort to refute it with correct evidence. Hence a debate could just strengthen their positions, even if the points they raise are dubious, as their opposition may not have the time or capacity to mount a timely response.
The following they've gained among the real deadset anti vaxxers (not you) will also mean that any points of discussion which seem open, or contestable will be seen as victories for Malone.
Also, there's the fact that engaging in debate validates their position, which again could be chalked up as a win for anti vaxxers.
So what you’re really saying is , you have no idea , that’s what I thought too .
Never said I did Supa, never said I did.
Tell me I'm wrong about the rest of my post though.
Stok wrote:Never said I did Supa, never said I did.
Tell me I'm wrong about the rest of my post though.
You’re wrong about the rest of your post ……..,surfs up , enjoy your day.
Stok wrote:Blowin wrote:You’re a fit young bloke who’s been convinced you need annual injections to ward off a fucking flu. Whatever research you’re doing is very, very messed up.
The fact that your two (!!!) GPs would suggest you need a shot against the flu shows exactly what’s wrong with the modern concept of health.
Hey Blowin, one GP is a great one I've seen and trusted for years, the other is an extended family member I also trust.
Also, are we talking about health? Or about responding to a novel virus which we have no levels of immunity against?
A healthy diet and exercise is a basis, but not everything you need. We live jn ways humans are not designed to live....world travel, factory farming, pesticides etc etc.
You keep harping on about covid being a “novel virus we have no immunity against “. This shows exactly just how brainwashed you’ve been by the propaganda campaign to make you believe that covid is an unprecedented threat to your health.
You may not have immunity, but you have an immune system which defends your body against threats known and unknown. The natural immune system of an average healthy person is successful in defeating the covid virus 99.95 times out of 100 .
I will repeat that so you have a chance to let the truth begin to dissolve the false / fake / misinformation you have indoctrinated with :
An unvaccinated healthy person has a natural bodily defence called an immune system which defends the human body against health threats both known and unknown. This natural defence system is successful on average 99.95 times out of 100 when it is confronted by covid.
You’ve got to let go of this idea that this is a unique threat to your health. The human body is regularly confronted by health threats it has never faced before and we do not simply keel over. Our bodies fight to live.
Most people experience no symptoms at all from covid as their bodies simply overwhelm the virus without struggle. Some people experience mild symptoms as their body’s fight the infection. A slight fever or sniffles or fatigue. The body still wins very, very easily. A tiny fraction of weak or frail people, who are vulnerable to any heatth threat, are posed an elevated risk from the covid virus , just as they would face an elevated risk from influenza.
Millions and millions of Australians have had covid. It is not the vaccine which saved them , it was their own natural resilience to disease. The vaccines may have prevented more serious illness and even death in a tiny percentage of the population. Most do not need it.
Sooner or later you will be forced to realised that you’ve been convinced by liars that covid is an existential threat which justifies outrageous destruction of human rights and civil liberties.
It is not.
Rafa the great.
Gee it hasn’t been a great result for COVID this tournament. Both Nadal and Kyrgios contracted it pre tournament and both have walked away with medals around their necks.
Hmmm , how on earth could this be?
I know, it must have been the vaccinations!!
I’m confused Stok. I thought the whole idea of vaccinating the population was to protect the vulnerable and end the pandemic. It’s not about an individual’s capacity to fight the virus. Doesnt finding one or two doctors that support your biased wishes to not have your kids jabbed based on their individual lack of need just make you an anti vaxxer? Doesnt this make your kids super spreaders and granny killers?
Why do you reserve the right for your kids but then belittle others who choose the same?
Hint: the answer starts with e and ends with go
Stok, I believe in the efficacy of the vaccinations but I still believe in informed consent. I’m against mandatory vaccination but I also believe in consequences for your actions. The question which I’m actually uncertain on is whether the current consequences of not being vaccinated are too great, in other words it is almost “mandatory by proxy” in that you basically can’t live your life unless you’re vaccinated.
I’m not sure I agree with that.
I do believe more emphasis should be placed on early at home treatment and the list of “not recommended” and “trials only” drugs put out by the NCCET is far too long.
I think that list should be much shorter and GP’s should have the freedom to interpret the evidence and recommend early treatment that they say fit, pretty much like they do for every other disease.
On top of that, when all’s said and done I believe a country’s success will be judged on much more than just Covid numbers. The economic impact is one but also the excess deaths.
Not sure if all that makes me an “anti-vaxxer”, some would probably say yes
Totally not a cult. Completely normal reaction to passing on a contagious virus.
Not
https://www.smh.com.au/national/how-guilt-has-become-a-symptom-of-covid-...
Whose decision was it to scrap the previous pandemic plans put into place by Abbott and other earlier governments?
Whose decision was it for the federal government not to join in the Clive Palmer legal challenge to the closing of state borders?
Whose decision was it to set up the National Cabinet?
Why was the National Cabinet given priority over the federal Cabinet?
Under what legislation was the enforced closure of trade and businesses across the nation permitted?
Does that legal authority need to be revisited or curtailed to prevent similar outcomes in the event of future pandemics or emergencies?
What commercial or financial links, if any, exist between any of our health bureaucrats at a state or federal level and any pharmaceutical companies involved in the production of Covid vaccines?
Are there any conflicts of interest between any of our politicians or health bureaucrats and the vaccine industries?
Why were certain potential Covid treatments being trialled overseas using medications approved for other uses disallowed by our own health authorities?
How many times has this ever occurred in the past? If the answer is ‘it has never happened before’, why did it happen this time?
How much of the JobSeeker and Jobkeeper money was pocketed by big business?
How much per head did Australian taxpayers spend on stimulus and other such emergency measures? How does this compare with other countries?
Upon what evidence did our health bureaucrats base their decisions regarding lockdowns and curfews?
At what point did our health authorities become aware that the vaccines do not necessarily prevent transmission? Did this discovery alter their advice?
How accurate were the predictive models about deaths in Australia due to Covid?
What is the federal government’s legal definition of mandatory vaccination? Of coercive vaccination? And of manipulative vaccination?
How many Covid-registered deaths in Australia were “from” Covid and how many were “with” Covid? Precise numbers please.
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Michael, that almost sounds like the transcript to the Joe Rogan/Robert Malone podcast with a bit of the Peter McCulloch/Pierre Kory podcast thrown in.
They all gave their opinions on those things.
The government of course will give a different opinion.
I believe disagreement with governmental policy is vital in democracy.
For example, VicLocal has been very critical of the Morrison government although he appears to be in agreement with other parts of their policy such as vaccines and the early treatment regime.
But be careful saying some of those things to your friends though, they might label you an anti-vaxxer
Abbott's plans?
If Abbott was pm vaccines would be mandatory Australia-wide. And everybody would be paying for them out of their own pocket. That money would then go directly to the pharmaceutical companies. (Remember when he tried to introduce that extra $7 medicare levy thing)
shoredump wrote:I’m confused Stok. I thought the whole idea of vaccinating the population was to protect the vulnerable and end the pandemic. It’s not about an individual’s capacity to fight the virus. Doesnt finding one or two doctors that support your biased wishes to not have your kids jabbed based on their individual lack of need just make you an anti vaxxer? Doesnt this make your kids super spreaders and granny killers?
Why do you reserve the right for your kids but then belittle others who choose the same?
Hint: the answer starts with e and ends with go
What exactly are you getting at Shoredump?
We hit over 90% vaxxed for over 12yr olds, we acted appropriately to provide a high level of protection within the population before we reopened. 5-11yr olds have just become eligible and there's currently no speak of mandates.
Also, I never said I would go with a preconceived notion that i didn't want my kids to be vaccinated, I would likely just consult them and discuss any questions I have. It'd probably be a quick consult to be honest, with the likelihood of myocarditis thru covid more likely than thru vaccines, and omicron leading to higher rates of hospitalisation of children around the world.
I'm not pretending to be perfect, I'm still susceptible as anyone to emotional propaganda - and children is a strong one. So, when people on forums like this, or on social media, share information which provides unfair focus on the risk of vaccination vs the net benefits in children, of course the mind creates what if scenarios.
I've created a spreadsheet forecast which I'll update as we go..
There's also a website with live running data.. https://sites.google.com/view/stayhomeaustralia