Has surfing (in QLD) had its day?
stunet wrote:Seen this, Spooky?
http://www.goldcoastbulletin.com.au/sport/surf-sports/mick-deserves-any-...
Judging from the article, Mick did the wrong thing. Given his status - why ? You would think he would not have to do this.
Ha! Gold. Stu that's what PR people call "Brand Damage Media Control". The PR smarties out there know that what was shown in that vid wouldn't do his media profile any good so best to try and difuse it before it gets a snowball effect of negativity.
Lame actual justification too. Mick deserves any wave he wants out there..... Come on. While I have no personal grudge to bear with MF (Particularly after last year) that's so lame. If Mick deserves any wave out there why cant the rest of the punters justify there drop ins in that way too.? Im sure there'd be Afghan vets, Cancer survivors, Victims of Child Abuse etc etc who could all claim that one.
To the PR people....if one vid showed MF JP and the other crew mandating the NO DROP rule at Snapper like the white shirt brigade at JBAY etc and highlighting the no drop in rule rather than dropping in it would do more for his profile in 1 go than any other form of justification to try and say what he did was OK.
I call BS and that's a lot or reason as to why we have the cluster )(*^&uck we do.
Yeah... I have little respect for surfers who have literally spent hours upon hours of their life in the barrel while making literally millions of dollars who decide to drop-in on others. My first proper overhead backside barrel was ruined when Craikey dropped in on me as he was paddling back out. He'd been barrelled at least 20 times that day. Could have been the wave of my year, probably meant literally nothing to him in the scheme of his surfing life.
Danx3 and thats why a lesser man than yourself would have gone the punch on! Good on you to take the higher moral ground but why should you bloody have too? Its a bloody shameless act Craikey and Co.
Feel your pain Danx3. Julian Wilson pulled the same stunt on me at Maccas a while ago. He had a thousand waves that day and there was plenty to go around but he just did not give a fark. Taj was there also and he was mellow and taking off so deep that he did not have to worry about dropping in. Some guys are just dicks.
I'm curious why is Queensland so crowded? I live in the Eastern Suburbs of Sydney and the crowd ebbs and flows, I dread 3-4ft offshore sunny days as everyone man and his dog paddles out. Personally I look forward to days in Sydney with no sun and crap wind and 4ft+ swell, plenty of waves to go around.
Imagine if in boxing the top 40 guys during any non-competition boxing session would punch below the belt whenever they liked even though it was completely frowned upon and outlawed as part of their sport and in competition they'd be penalised for it.
Any different.....um nope!
joesydney wrote:Feel your pain Danx3. Julian Wilson pulled the same stunt on me at Maccas a while ago. He had a thousand waves that day and there was plenty to go around but he just did not give a fark. Taj was there also and he was mellow and taking off so deep that he did not have to worry about dropping in. Some guys are just dicks.
I'm curious why is Queensland so crowded? I live in the Eastern Suburbs of Sydney and the crowd ebbs and flows, I dread 3-4ft offshore sunny days as everyone man and his dog paddles out. Personally I look forward to days in Sydney with no sun and crap wind and 4ft+ swell, plenty of waves to go around.
You end up having a word to Julian about being a fuckstick?
Just stalk em and get one back on em..
goofyfoot wrote:joesydney wrote:Feel your pain Danx3. Julian Wilson pulled the same stunt on me at Maccas a while ago. He had a thousand waves that day and there was plenty to go around but he just did not give a fark. Taj was there also and he was mellow and taking off so deep that he did not have to worry about dropping in. Some guys are just dicks.
I'm curious why is Queensland so crowded? I live in the Eastern Suburbs of Sydney and the crowd ebbs and flows, I dread 3-4ft offshore sunny days as everyone man and his dog paddles out. Personally I look forward to days in Sydney with no sun and crap wind and 4ft+ swell, plenty of waves to go around.
You end up having a word to Julian about being a fuckstick?
Yeah we did actually. Our group had less surfing ability than theirs but we made up for in body weight so we felt fairly comfortable letting him know he was being a carnt. Taj was apologetic, Julien pretended he couldn't hear us and looked to the horizon for support.
Haha, I got dropped in on on several times by a 14-15 yr old Carissa Moore in Mexico. Being pushed by her dad/coach to take any wave that came. She can go and get fucked.
I think it is very likely that a substantial proportion of the 'successful' competitive surfers have been taking more than their fair share of waves from early on in their lives.
The more waves they take, the more skill advantage they gain, until eventually some brainwashed idiot comes up with 's/he deserves any wave s/he wants'.
Pfah! Give me a break!
From now on, I'll drop in on Mick Fanning when I recognise him. Just because I can!
Either he (and other super-talented surfers) apologise when they get caught ruining someone else's potential barrel of a lifetime, or they should be fair (and preferential!) game for crowd sourced re-education.
Unless exceptionally good surfers display and promote appropriate surf etiquette, I will assume that they only became as good as they are by taking more than their fair share of waves, during all or most of their surfing career.
Good call spooky re the likes of MF JP leading the way with manners in the line up. Given the hero worship that surrounds them if they came out and publicly endorsed a no drop rule it would make a huge difference and the ripples would spread. Given they do actually have a bit of clout in surfing and are media savvy it's actually a no brainer. But instead they are often the main protagonists particularly when the skis come out. It's probably down to public opinion to force the issue and for those in the water to call them out rather than make it a claim to fame. As for the 'can have any wave he likes' did anyone buy that? He does for a couple of weeks a year with only one or two others out and gets paid handsomely for the privalige.
It wasn't so much the drop ins that fucked me off up there.... They're piss easy to deal with - just make the fuckn wave.... Simple.... Clean em up.... Take out ya fave widow maker and mow em down..... Catch "the growers" - everyone paddles wide for the bigger ones that peak on the takeoff..... If ya can duck dive, wear a couple, and then swing in and catch the 4th or 5th one that's a foamy face, and race the fucker as it grows down the line - must have a slightly manic look in your eyes - but that comes natural,,
Anyhoo, back to my main gripe - blokes that cant duckdive, and you end up slalom surfing as you avoid these fuckn pinheads scared of a bit of whitewater..... It's Queensland,people!!!!! Sand mainly.... Get a fuckn grip and learn how wear 5 foot of white water ffs......
Getting dropped in sux ass..but sometimes the person dropping in on you might think that you will waste the wave so they take it...jmo..
Some great conversation here , actually opened my eyes to some different views . One theme is clear tho if u don't like crowds move away from them , stating the obvious sorry
penmister wrote:Getting dropped in sux ass..but sometimes the person dropping in on you might think that you will waste the wave so they take it...jmo..
That is no excuse, particularly not in crowded conditions. Someone else will take over without dropping in once the first surfer wipes out. No waste whatsoever.
It's just egomaniac thinking along the lines of: "I surf better than him/her, so the wave would be wasted by his/her poor surfing".
Maybe mrmilk...agree camel the ugly dirty waves seem to be left alone...
MrMik I'm very sympathetic to your point of view but I think it's totally unrealistic and even dangerous. Surfing isn't a democracy with equal rights for all.
It's an aristocracy, maybe a meritocracy sounds more gentle for modern ears. By and large the better surfers get the better waves. That isn't fair. That doesn't make them better human beings, quite often the reverse. They might be scumbags. Not always though. PLenty of blokes who can surf really well who hold down good jobs, raise a family etc etc . But it does create some kind of order in the lineup. An order that is understandable and safer than the chaos of a free for all.
If I go travelling and paddle out at a new spot with local surfers I don't expect equal rights. I expect scraps. I hope that if I'm patient and polite I might ride a few waves and meet some new people. Yes, there probably will be the resident hot head/psycho whos' going to drop in or make life difficult. Identify him, give him plenty of space.
You're right: successful surfers have caught more than their fair share. Surfing isn't fair. Greater skill, greater fitness, greater experience = more waves. But it's the same in everything in life.
Thats not to excuse Fannings drop in or discount him, Parko and others changing the vibe out there, which they could do.
The natural order of things has broken down a bit. People used to accept that they'd surf to their ability and experience. Now they seem to want to throw down at the best and most crowded breaks. Should everyone else then dumb it down to accommodate them?
Yes, there is certainly a level of meritocracy that tends to rule who gets what. But it is incumbent for those not to take it away from another. It seems in this case that Mike blatantly dropped in. Given who and where this was, the question is why.
Hi All, just a thought after our most recent swell and the ensuing coverage online. I'm on the SC and yes I'd figured on Saturday that the bottom end of the coast would be the go due to the dreaded northerly that was happening. (There was 1 other option but with an early high tide its not so great and my mode of transportation was in pieces. )
My mates filled me in on what it was like but also noted its "make-ability and crowd" so I flagged it. By Saturday arvo Shieldsy had already posted pics on his facebook page so its was no secret which is kinda crazy imo but anyhoo.
So I rose for a mega early Sunday. Got up at jats-crackers and after checking lots of places (the wind was almost from every quadrant depending where you were) I surfed Platforms. Generally not a wave for novices and certainly once overhead it sorts you out.
Seeing Mark V paddle into an overhead grinder on my arrival it was on. How wrong was I! The waves were good with consequence but the CROWD and level of skill was a game changer. I jumped in right up the top which is pretty normal for bigger days. In that time I saw 3 guys eat it just jumping off the rocks as they didn't wait and watch. I must have stood there for 20 mins until I got the rhythm. Then as I surfed down the point (really only 3 take off spots - Top middles and grovels) I must have seen 15 guys go over the falls and eat rock soup. Standing in knee deep water trying to get back out.
It was so un fun. On walking back with another mate (who's been in a few Vids etc) he turned and said, mate Surfings had its day!!!!
I couldn't help but reflect on what he'd said for the rest of the day and had to agree. It just wasn't enjoyable due to the crowd factor.
Then when you see Ex World Champs dropping in on people in the barrel at their home break you cant help but think we certainly continue to $hit in our own nest!
Its almost a mute argument now as nothing can change what is happening or continues to happen but despite the fact there was a rare east GS lining up on our beaches the challenge of dealing with it what it brings in relation to crowds etc sure takes the + anticipation out of it!
Spookypt