Thoughts on discretion ~ involving a gondola ! (SUP)

I dont see the attraction of riding an SUP, but the individuals who ride these monsters are generally dickheads.

I feel sorry for you Kaner, I am, like you trying to teach my six year old to surf and all you need is one bad experience and it is really difficult to get the confidence back. Keep it it up, dont let these idiots put you or your son off. Remember the dream, in a few years time you and yor son will go for the early surf together (bet it puts a smile on your face thinking about it)

I dont get why this SUP who nearly hit you feels the need to surf in a place which is generally for kiddies, especially on a craft like an SUP which can generally pick up waves where you and I cannot surf. The guy was trying to be a legend by dominating the kiddies area. What a hero!!!!!!!

The quicker the trend is over the better...............................

for sure, i would have told him to piss off also. Did they though? Or I would have moved along myself... 4 guys out total? Surely there was a lot of empty beach elsewhere?

Completely agree with you.

I do ride a SUP though and yes I also agree I can't wait for the trend to finish either. There is one distinguishing thing you really need to acknowledge here though.

Before I started SUP and still now I ride shortboards, when the waves are better suited I will ride a SUP. Many people I know ranging from WCT pro's to boardriders club champions also ride them from time to time. Sometimes they are just more fun than struggling into bad waves on unsuitable equipment. I live in Currumbin and have been surfing the Alley for over 25 years.

What I am referring to and what you will find is the real issue is that a lot of people that have never surfed before or understand a line-up have started on SUP. I hate this and so do you.

While I have myself witnessed the rabbit in the spotlights at the Alley with people paddling across the face rather than taking the beating in the 2 foot whitewash the area you are talking about inside of the rock is priority for learners. I did my first ever turn on that same bank in 1986 and will be teaching my daughter there this Summer. God help anyone no matter the craft if they come close to us.

Point is, not everyone that rides SUP is a kook but everyone needs to acknowledge that that part of the Alley is like hatching grounds for our future. No matter what you ride those groms need to have fun, be safe and encouraged completely.

Hey Seethesea, hear you mate, that is why I used the term 'generally' in my sentence when stating that SUP's are generally dickheads. When the trend passes only the real enthusiasts will be left which they will hopefully have the manners to follow the rules and not be pigs with wave count and not be a danger to all every time they take off. It astounds me how many SUP's sit 15 metres further out from the take off zone, then aim straight at the group of surfers and take off on the wave and watch everyone struggle to get out of the way. If you did that on a short board or even a mal, you would have enough control over the craft to be able to monuevre your way through the group without collecting anyone on the way. And should only attempt this if you have the ability.

The other point of people going to areas which are for begginers and trying to dominate the area is not a go at any individual surfcraft, it is a go at peoples common sense. People should stop and realise that you are surfing with a bunch of begginers, expect to be dropped in on and when you are, why dont you stop and explain the drop in rules to that kid, instead of abusing them. We are all out in the line up for the rush and for the enjoyment, regardless of how good you are. If you are not out there for the enjopyment, then f#$ck off and find another way to get your rocks off.

Saw something similar at my local point (a bit further north than the Alley these days). There's a few SUP riders here most of whom started off a couple of years ago and went through a steep learning curve. Most fit in today and one, manager of a local surf shop, is vey good.
But, back to the story. This guy appeared out the back the other day complete with helmet. He then proceeded to paddle for most waves from directly in front of the main group (both shorties and mals) in the normal take-off area. In 4 cases out of 5 he fell on take off, leading to some near misses. I saw a couple of guys chip him to no avail before he did the same to me. Somehow missed me, but not by much.
I suggested I had no problem with him learning but he could save a lot of angst by doing it off to the side a bit. Of couse he told me to "get fucked".
Then I lost it. Don't remember exactly what I said but he caught one more wave and went in.
Common sense should tell these people that their craft is a danger to everyone and they should act accordingly.

are you talking sunshine coast bombora ???

"My point is this. Don't attack a minority group because they are different."

You are missing the point in grand style. SUP riders are being "attacked" because they are usually less skilled and present a clear and present danger to other surfers, due to the size of their equipment and their lack of ability to control it in the impact zone.
The fact that SUP riders have this blind spot when it comes to their impact on other surfers and such a clear sense of entitlement is why they are so roundly and openly resented.
Unfortunately selfishness and a lack of consideration for other surfers seem to be an all too common trait of SUP riders.

I don't think I'm missing the point at all. SUP's as a group are as broad in experience as any group of short boarders. Like I said...the only serious injury up my way (Byron Bay) was not caused by an SUP but by a long board. We are not blind to the fact that a piece of equipment can cause injury and you shouldn't either. As soon as you can get your head around the fact that we have as much right to surf the waves as you... things will become much more harmonious.
The selfish antics of aggression, ownership and localism have really come back to bite you shortboarders now...hasn't it. Remember the big 15ft heavy wooden boards that started it all? The Duke, the traditions of surfing and all our heritage needs to be respected. So go and do that dude!
Rowan

Respectfully jbay, I think you have missed the point. Why was a SUP surfer acting aggressively to a situation where a guy is towing his young son out in the break, in a well known learners spot and in which Kaner describes their ability as barely in control? Especially on a day where it didn't sound like "an all time Alley day"?

Surely, the hard charger SUP would've enjoyed his surf more if he had a bit of common sense, mellowed a bit and shared the stoke with others, giving people plenty of room, rather then acting like a complete tool.

The sad fact is you have the length of the board plus leg rope that can hurt people in an increasingly large radius as the board length increases, regardless if they are a mal, shortboarder or SUP.

I have a SUP, surf it in a variety of places along the Gold Coast, including the '08 snapper to currumbin paddle classic in 6ft surf and 20-25 knot winds. I mainly surf a shortboard, unless it is absolutely tiny, or the waves are really full, stuff I wouldn't usually go out in otherwise (horses for courses). I have witnessed the loathing and ridicule from the crew when you first paddle out, but if you handle it right you can find a place in the line up. You can see the set waves better, get yourself into position sooner, sit out further, increase your wave count, cause a lot of other surfers to get peeved off, perhaps drop in on you out of frustration and build a feeling of aggression in the line up. Or you could let a few go, paddle back out well away from the break, sit down and rest for a few waves, call in people/point with your paddle to the peaks or even paddle somewhere away from the crowds and enjoy a few empty waves a bit further down.

How the other surfers will react to you is up to the individual. All surfers need to be aware of our actions in the water. If you are not competent you need to act accordingly. Sadly, I see a lot of SUP'er who are neither competent or have good judgement leading to the very valid complaint by kaner. That fool should be ashamed of himself. If there are kids in the water you should stay away, period!

jbay has missed the point! what you ride is a fashionable beginners board, do get it twisted. If you dont have to skill level to ride anything more evolved then you are at the bottom of the pecking order and should remain respectfully silent.

True Ed,

They are so easy to ride in small stuff and IMO not that much harder when it gets bigger. You can catch waves so early and just turn for the safety of the shoulder. Sure there is some skill involved, but nowhere as challenging as a shortboard.

Ed.I think your missing the point.It's the SUP rider's attitude and skill level that's the problem.Not the craft.Why attack Jbay.He might be highly skilled on all craft and just ride's different craft according to the condition's?Remember there are alot of great surfers that will ride all different type's of boards.
Believe me Ed I'm not having a go at you as I can see why most people have this feeling about SUP rider's for alot of the reason's you guy's have said.
There is no doubt that if you are SUP rider you would be doing your self and every body else a favour to try and find a wave that has nobody else on it(especially if you are beginner).But other surfers have to realise that might not alway's be possible.If that is the case then the SUP really has to ask him self is he good enough to be in a crowded line up.If he think's he can control his craft in this situation(that mean's not falling off at critical time's and nearly killing someone)then he has to show restraint and let a fair share of set wave's through.Once again don't blame the board but the rider's attitude.There are a hell alot of shortboarder's that need there arse kicked as well.

Lots of points being missed in this thread, time to call it match point? ..... Nah, this is a really good read actually. It healthy debate in a respectful manner with differing opinions that are allowed run their course without someone acting tough or aggressively and hiding behind a keyboard – reference to previous threads on simular topics but different craft.
These topics actually change one’s thinking, for the better in my case.
In summary when I follow this thread I conclude it doesn’t matter (too much) what craft you are riding. A dick-head acting like a dick-head can pretty much be riding anything. Although his dick-head status can be amplified by what he is riding.

Sorry Evo and Ed, Yes I did miss the point. This guy on the SUP acted with total disregard for others safety. There is no excuse for that.

No need to apologise mate,

I think Pepe summed it up best....

getting too harmonious.
sure each to their own... but! if its easier to catch a wave be it with a jet ski, mal, sup, booger or even somtimes shortboard you should respect the guy doing the more difficult thing missing waves cause of people hogging waves. IF hes not wasting waves. this rule also applies for oldies too. out snapper older crew get bombs handed on a plate if they are still up to it.
argue i wannanother go!

I've surfed a shortboard for a few years now. Although I'm no Slater, I'd like to feel I can pretty much hack my way around on a crowded break and fend for myself. On an SUP it's only been a year and I think I'm getting there, so it is easier. What I'd like to add to this conversation is that I tried a performance/ surf type SUP the other day.... and if any short boarder thinks it's easy. Please go and try one out...it's a bloody nightmare. The board I tried was a 27inch 8'5ft Coreban designed specifically for the surf. Once on the waves it was beautiful, but the skill to stay balanced and line up a wave is beyound any short board learning curve I've ever been on.
So respect.

I had to go down to Ballina to work the other day so I thought I'd catch up with some mates and have a surf at Lennox if there was waves, but as luck would have it,it was not to be. I did have a look this morning for some waves at Sharpes and fuck me if there wasn't the worst no idea SUP rider I have ever seen out there.
Now call me old fashioned if you will but isn't the paddle designed for getting out the back and for making it easier to catch waves with? This poor cunt was lying down on the board with the paddle under his guts trying to paddle into waves like that. If he happened to catch one then he'd stand up and drag the paddle in the water to try and turn the beast and then promptly fall off! Now this was happening amongst all the other surfers out there on a beach about 1km long with him trying to surf this peak with everybody else when all he had to do was move 50m and he could surf by himself and not be a danger to anybody but himself. How he didn't get his head punched in has got me fucked and really I thought the whole idea of a SUP was to stand up on the fucking thing and paddle out and catch more waves than anybody else while standing up.
I suppose that just shows the mentallity of the poor bastards pretending they are Laird Hamilton or something when they are just try hard kooks with a "look at me I'm a waterman" ego problem.
If there are other surfers already out on a break just fuck off somewhere else where you are not going to make a cunt of yourself on one of those things. WE ARE NOT IMPRESSED BY YOU AND YOU ARE NOT LAIRD OK!

Hey Seal...... you have no idea mate. That was me on my very first attempt to surf my new 8,5 27inch Coreban. As you may not realize the conditions had been a howling north-easterly (hence surfing the northern pocket) with shitty windy and choppy conditions. These conditions affect a small SUP to the extreme. Even then I was keen to test it in the surf, hence the surfing bit. I did notice I was the only one catching waves, perhaps that's why you are pissed.
The board I was on can hardly float and is smaller than most longboards so it's hardly a beast. Pity you are so obsessed with seeing the faults in others, wake up and find a high building.

jbay, I'm sorry I must have hit a bit of a raw nerve with you did I? I didn't realise that because the conditions weren't perfect that it made an excuse for your extreme lack of of judgement to surf amongst the other people!Especially as they were already out there before you paddled out(on your guts) As I said, if you had moved down the beach 50m you could have had a peak to yourself but no, you had to try and I mean try, to catch waves where there was others including kids surfing and fall on every wave sending them scattering.Yes you did catch some waves but so would have my grandma if she was on a 8'5" 27" wide board and she wouldn't have fallen off every wave either.Sure, it might be a short SUP and difficult to ride so don't you think it would be a good idea to learn to ride it where you are not going to endanger anybody else or make a cunt of yourself? ie maybe the lake or the river at Missingham bridge? Hey if you were going to learn to drive a F1 race car whould you do it on a busy road? No I don't think so.

I know a bloke at Lennox that owns a surf shop, maybe you might know him, he also rides a SUP and very well I might add. He never rides his amongst other surfers but he seriously rips on it and his normal short board and tells me that it gives him the shits the way the other SUPs give them all a bad name by doing exactly what you are doing.

Get my point now jbay or do I have no idea mate? Must go now and find a tall building and as for faults, all I have to do is look in the mirror and I see many but I don't think any of them will endanger other surfers. Check you later Laird

If i was out with my son and someone did something like that I would have told my son to sit tight for a second, paddled over to the guy and told him to go appoligise to my son or if not then I would have just smacked him in the face. It's only ever dickheads who can't surf and think they are hero's who ruin it for everyone else.
Most people go out for a surf with a smile and are happy to have a chat but there is always one or two dickheads that act like they are on they're way to win a world title.
Ill never understand why people take surfing so seriously, it's just a sport. I don't get agro in the water but the only time I will ark up is if someone is getting stuck into kids.

Seal you make good points. If you are learning or getting the feel of a new board, dont surf with the main group. Go and find yourself a bank to yourself, that is common sense.

Last week found myself paddling out behind a bloke on a mal, wave hit without even looking this guy bailed his board, hit me in the head. Little bit my fault for paddling out behind a guy on a mal, but for fuck sake, if you are going to bail your board, LOOK, before you bail. The other weird thing was that the wave was lucky to be 2 foot. This guy was a kook on about a 9"1' board, guessing he has a 9" leggy on, which means when he bails his board anyone within an 18" diameter can potentially be hit.

JBay, use common sense. The point I am trying to make is that regardless of the type of board you are riding, if you are trying to get the feel of a new board do it in an appropriate area. You may have to forfeit the best quality waves on the beach, but atleast everyone is safe and having a good time.

Seal, give me the address of that tall building, because I think JBay is sending me to the same place.

thats pretty funny that seal and jbay are on the same post !!

cant help but think the SUP's should keep their distance from the pack though.

Hey Seal, pretty much a mass conflagration about the surfers and the location on the day. I counted two other surfers when I paddled out. So... it was not a packed beach by any means. Second I explained that I did move up the beach to get a bit of protection from the pred northerly. I still kept my distance from the group of surfers surfing the pocket. By 20m at least. Perhaps you had something obscurring your perspective from the night before....like a few stubbies or something. Next time don't pass comment from the beach... paddle out, it's much better for your perspective.
Have fun and I hope you get to try some SUP surfing... it's very addictive. Maybe you'll be like me and throw away your short board.
Peace.

jbay-Laird, when did I say it was packed in my comments? and no I didn't have my perspective obscured by the demon drink as you think.There certainly was more than 2 out when you tried to paddle out but by no means packed. I was not the only one to comment on that morning as I was talking to a couple of local blokes who had there kids out there and one said " that South African needs to learn some surf etiquette and if the cunt runs over my kid I will punch the shit out of him". He then went on to say that you have a habit of riding SUPs amonst other surfers because in his opinion you don't have much idea about the rules of the surf or have an arrogant attitude. After reading your posts I am beginning to think the latter.Surely even you wouldn't want be the cause of some kids injury or death from being struck by a SUP in the head. Even an 8'5" is a fucken big board to be struck in the head by so while you are learning fuck off up the beach so the only one you can hurt is yourself. I'm sure there will be heaps of surfers only too happy to tell you where to go!!
Now, with your big Kahunas and your ability to paddle your SUP out in 12ft surf you probably won't ever need to surf 1-2ft amongst other surfers again as you will be heading to Hawaii or even Chopes to hook up with the real Laird and show him how to paddle out on your guts with the paddle up your arse as real watermen like you do.
A word of advice, if you are a kook, as it certainly seems to me, learn away from other surfers and FFS don't try to stick up for your bad manners and lack of ability as it only makes you look more of a fool!

P.S. I certainly won't be learning to ride a SUP anytime soon as I have more regard for mine and others saftey and will continue to ride my shortboard for many years to come thanks very much.

Hey Seal, the only injuries to kids down my way have been from surfboards not SUP's. Surely even you can remember as far back as the recent incident in Byron Bay where a child got his head cleaved open.....by an experienced surfer. So... best button up and fix up your own back yard before commenting on the SUP industry.
Yes, I surf the big swell on a 10'4 so what? My new board will take me a while to master.... big deal. I issue respect out there and give other surfers space too. The ocean belongs to all not just some local jobo like you. The first boards to surf the breaks around Lennox were not shortboards (jeez, I can see you choking on your VB and baked beans) so you don't have any right over other craft. The 10ft+ Toothpicks graced the right handers long before your commercial indonesian piece of polystyrene.
Now chill out, take your meds and enjoy the surf. The worst part of human nature is to pass judgement on others from the sideline. Oh, by the way I'm putting in the hard yards in shitty conditions so when the weather does 'pearl-up' I'll be ready. Do the same.
Peace.

Hey Seal, seriously now...how easy is it to get caught up in the negative stuff. Man, surfing is a beautiful thing and a privelage. In my 10 or so years of surfing I've never hurt anyone and don't intend to. I'm out there to surf, share and respect. If I'm too close just let me know and I'll give you a smile and check my behaviour. You cool with that? I love calling someone onto a wave I know I'm 'entitled' to. We never know what journey they have taken and could be much more deserving than you and I. Humanity could do with heaps more giving... check it out... I know I will.

You should have a good hard think about your words here Rowan, and your behaviour.
Your starting to come off looking like a prize goose.

If you honestly cannot see how learning to surf your SUP in a lineup with other surfers is selfish and dangerous, and continue to use self interested arguments to justify your behaviour, then you will continue to alienate people and have the absolute opposite effect to the values you so self righteously preach.

Really, is it possible that you are right and everyone else is wrong here?

Could you not perhaps take a lesson from Noel and accept the consequences of your equipment choices and ride away from other surfers?

On you current course you are probably leading to the situation in California where there is that much discord between SUP's and other surfers that they have been banned from certain beaches.

Is that your intention?
Can you see that that is a possible result of your bloody minded behaviour?

I'm sure Noel would appreciate that.

Please take some time and deeply consider the path your are on, and whether it reflects the values you are professing here.

I wrote a post yesterday and then deleted it.

I open this today and the post above appears, written differently but almost exact.

Here here freeride76, well written.

Jbay, pull ya head in mate! Some of us like to ride shortboards and SUP and maintain dignity and others safety doing so. Carrying on like this only widens the divide.....

Hey Freeride, it's really bloody unfair to keep bringing up someones name into the conversation time and again. This bloke you keep mentioning is a bloody nice bloke (I'm sure you'd agree). Lets keep him out of it right?.
Anyway, as I've said time and time again I did consider where I was surfing. The wind was blowing a strong north, north-east, as it had for days. I paddled out at about 06h20 when I could count two surfers. As the wind became stronger it was inevitable that surfers up and down the beach moved into the northern pocket. As stated I was surfing not SUP'ing at times. I mostly paddled into the wave just like anybody else. Despite that, I was (as stated) at least 20m away from the group).
You know my motivations Freeride as we have had many conversations regarding these matters. In fact you have even seen the 8'5ft board up close. It's not some huge monster of a board that should be the focus of anger and frustration. SUP'rs as an entity tend to stick out in the crowd specifically because they are visible and different. Both convenient qualities to direct everything undesirable affecting the sufing community like aggression, ownership, pollution, injury etc. All things aside I'm sick of harping on the neg. We are all adults here so lets consider driving the sport we love in a positive direction. As to the Californian situation, we've had discussions about this matter too. As I've explained to you the legislation was developed by the Californian Coast Guard to regulate SUP's in Open water as the Industry was developing a strong open water community (aka downwinders). This legislation HAD NOTHING to do with danger in the surf zone. In fact they had been excluded as being denoted as VESSELS if they remained within the surf zone. The fan fare that resulted in some counties banning SUP's had been driven by uneducated resentment from the masses. Mmmmmm, sounds historically like this majority rules ethos is fairly deeply entrenched in a negative human characteristic. Consequently I always check myself when I find myself going with the majority opinion. Maybe you should do the same. Hey... here's another idea. Come out for a surf with me and see if I act like an idiot out there? You know where I live.

Cmon guys, no need to keep bitching and moaning to each other. Mentioning peoples names is really not the place to be done on a public forum. JBAY made the statement:

"I'm out there to surf, share and respect. If I'm too close just let me know and I'll give you a smile and check my behaviour. You cool with that?"

He is offering you an olive branch as well as an offer to aproach him and tell him direct when an incident happens.

You can have an opinion and it is fine to disagree with each other and fine to say what you think. But Freeride, you have taken it too far!

Another inane discussion on these pages like other infamous topics e.g. how to measure wave heights or friendly tips on where to surf from the guys down the coast. Give us all a break. If you don't like surfing with SUPs or mals or wave skis or short boards or brown dogs ... Don't. Go find another break that makes you feel like a grommie again.

And, bugger me talking about the righteous indignation being displayed here about member names being dropped ... mtw, I have noticed your contributions to these forum topics has vastly improved since you reported here that you got donged on the head by a mal. I suggest you do it again (get hit by a mal that is).

MMMMMM......I'm pretty sure I posted a little blah blah blah on this thread earlier today but it's seems to have been deleted, good to see someones on the ball keep up the good work. Or i may have imagined it and dementia is setting in earlier than expected, oh well sit back and enjoy.

Ha Ha Floyd, talk about the pot calling the kettle black. Be careful, if I get donged on the head by a mal again, you might just get the evil me back again.

But to respond to you points, I am not against discussion or debate and I am not against if it gets heated, but mentioning peoples names, fuck me!

Also, in giving people advise about surfing Vics East Coast, what did I say, go to the look out at Flinders and then work it out for yourself. I did not give away any of the places a little harder to find, although I know where they are and they are hardly secret anymore.

If you are against trivial discussions, then I am realy not sure why you are are looking through forums.

"SUP'rs as an entity tend to stick out in the crowd specifically because they are visible and different. Both convenient qualities to direct everything undesirable affecting the sufing community like aggression, ownership, pollution, injury etc".

Actually, no.

They tend to stick out because unskilled riders tend to go out in crowded surf zones and put other people in danger or abuse etiquette because they can.

But , you don't seem capable JBay of taking any responsibility for your actions and how they affect others in the surf zone.
That isn't changing one iota in these exchanges so it's pretty pointless continuing.

You can't see how taking your SUP out at the Point on a Saturday morning on the most crowded day of the Year would cause aggression and anger.
To you it's everyones elses problem.

You want to do what you want and to hell with everyone else: well good luck with that attitude mate.

I don't have a problem with SUP's. I have one myself.
It's a tool that should be used with respect for other surfers.
Just like a motorbike or a skateboard or a car.

If I come ride my motorbike where people are having a picnic or where kids are skateboarding then, sure, I'm having a great old time but everyone else is sucking eggs.

That concept just seems too hard for some(not all) SUP riders to get their head around.

Sure does look like plain old fashioned selfish behaviour.

Anyway, your already getting shouted at and ruffling feathers. That doesn't seem to worry you so good luck with having fun when others around you are pissed off at you.

Laird, now that I've managed to wash my baked beans down with my VB, I will respond to your last ramblings.

FFS can't you get it through your head that riding or attempting to ride a large,dangerous board that you have next to no control over, amongst over surfers including children, is not a very smart thing to do? Saying that no-one at the Pass has been hurt by one is a bit of a loose argument. Its only a matter of time before it will be a SUP doing some serious damage to someone as they become more popular and more people take to riding them in areas where other surfers are. Can't you understand that in the hands of beginners that such craft are next to impossible to control and turn when really needed. The size and weight of a SUP is what makes them so dangerous as compared to a normal short board or even a modern mal. I'd much sooner be hit by a short board than a SUP especially in the head.

Now if it was me that was creating havoc and being told off, I think I would pull my head in and try not to make more of a cunt of myself then I had already had,including stupid comments on an internet forum which had been shot down by all ensundry.
Get my point or do I still have no idea.

Must go now and buy some more baked beans to go with my beer(hey and I wear a flanno shirt too)and watch the cricket. WTF for I don't know with the way Australia is going but I 'spose thats what us yobbos do best.

PS. I think in my 40 years of surfing that I would probably know when someone is doing something that is a bit dangerous and stupid don't you think, therefore be in a position to pass comment.

Good luck to your negativity and ego's boys... it's going to take you places I'd rather not be.

"Good luck to your negativity and ego's boys... it's going to take you places I'd rather not be."

Have a look at your own posts JBay. They're full of that.
And your already there: being shouted at, hassled etc etc.
But as per usual everyone else is to blame.

Can't speak for Seal but I can count on one hand the number of hassles I've had in the surf.
How many have you had in this Year alone?

Changing your your own behaviour is always easier than changing anyone elses. But good luck trying.

Let's face it, Jbay is just a hypocritical dickhead that nobody wants to be around. His comments throughout the forum speak volumes about his personality.

Yep Freeride in all my years of surfing I've probably only had a dozen hassels and most of them have been in the last few years with dickheads doing the wrong or dangerous things as a lot of people these days have no idea about waiting their turn, not dropping in or just general manners.

I don't know what the answer is as the crowds contribute to a lot of it,but I do think a few younger crew tend to think its all about them and fuck the rest of us as long as they are getting their share. Or some older crew get longer boards or SUPs so they too can get more waves and can and do make cunts of themselves also. As it gets more crowded it is going to become more common place unfortunatly but if we point out to the obvious dickheads what they are doing wrong, then maybe things might be still manageable and a little less dangerous.

Hey, I'm no angel, but I do know how to behave in the surf and will give most people doing the right thing a fair go, as I hope they will do in return.

Good luck to your negativity and ego's boys... it's going to take you places I'd rather not be.

By: "jbay"

Jbay, if I'm somewhere you'd rather not be, feel free to not go there.
Then since none of us want you to be where you'd rather not be, keep going!
Yeah and we are all positive about that!