Do you like or hate Donald Trump, and why?
Bias. Explain it, boys. Your take. Go...
Two questions in two days factobum, you're pushing your luck.
Your take on jordan peterson. Go...
Been there, done that. Must've missed it, hey? Kinda like, I dunno, Labor's negative gearing policy from the start of 2016?
Here's a read. Warning: it's a read.
https://www.currentaffairs.org/2018/03/the-intellectual-we-deserve?fbcli...
Hang on, what's all this?
Curls, you're really becoming Curls, comrade. Check Moe & Larry's latest on the What's What thread.
Really?!
Oh come on mate surely you can throw a paragraph together
Labors negative gearing policy is great facto, but as you point out, it's hardly nothing new. What have we seen and heard from bill since?
Pretty much nothing, in fact absolutely nothing, same shit, same platform.
Disappointing to the point of being insulting considering the glaring political upheavals in that period.
Oh come on mate surely you can throw a paragraph together
Labors negative gearing policy is great facto, but as you point out, it's hardly nothing new. What have we seen and heard from bill since?
Pretty much nothing, in fact absolutely nothing, same shit, same platform.
Disappointing to the point of being insulting considering the glaring political upheavals in that period.
Bias= is basically not taking a balanced view but taking a side and reporting in a way to support that view.
You see it time after time on ABC radio national on just about every issue.
One recent example that really stood out to me was the reporting on changing the date of Australia day there was little balance at all i think it was John faine who even tried to take the angle that it's going to be changed in the future so why not do it now?
Those were pretty much his exact words, which doesn't make sense seeing only 15% of Australians support a date change.
So there was no evidence whatsoever to suggest it will be changed in the future, if anything the evidence we have suggest the date wont be changed.
However if you only got your news from ABC you could easily be swayed into thinking the majority want the day changed and it will happen, so no point arguing against not changing the date.
Thats just one example, you could go through issues everyday and take more examples.
"Labors negative gearing policy is great facto, but as you point out, it's hardly nothing new. What have we seen and heard from bill since?"
You weren't even aware of it?? Or just playing? Yeah right...
So how is this supposed to be taken even half seriously?
"Pretty much nothing, in fact absolutely nothing, same shit, same platform."
Like Indo, you didn't read my little 'state of the media' missive. Couldn't have. You're embodying it.
However, unlike Indo, there's someone home at your place. Wake up and smell the coffee, dude.
Don't be a Curls.
Easy on the assumptions and accusations there not so facto
How could I not be aware of it, they've been trotting it out for three years, over and over. And over.
Pretty sure we were talking about it before the last election, you know three or four years ago.
And what other significant policy have we had from labor in that two election cycle period?
I can't think of one.
still bill
bill still
From the What's What thread today!
Sypkan:
"They will campaign hard against Shorten because he is the first Labor leader in a long time to threaten their lurks. "
Care to elaborate?
I haven't heard of anything of substance"
Blindboy:
"As I said above, negative gearing and franking credits. They have moved on from middle class welfare, which was always a strong vote getter for them, to wealthfare."
My mis-read?!
And here, check this:
2018_alp_national_platform_-_consultation_draft.pdf
Cut n paste.
Warning: there is some reading involved and it's straight from the horse's mouth. 211 pages of policy.
Or a shorter read:
https://www.themonthly.com.au/issue/2018/september/1535724000/richard-de...
"Shorten may be seen by many on the left as lacking the charisma or progressive legacy they need to get enthusiastic about his electoral prospects. But the party that Shorten leads is in the box seat on the back of the most progressive fiscal policy proposed by Labor in decades, and the Coalition is in tatters."
Oh yeah, it doesn't mention the National Integrity Commission there in that one, but.
Well factobum, when I asked blindboy to elaborate,, I genuinely wholeheatedly thought he had something new, something to get excited about.
But nah, it was just the same tired old negative gearing thingy, that is ten years too late, hardly gonna save the nation, and not really the revolution in thought we're been looking for. Yearning for even.
As I alluded to, how many times can ya trot this shit out?
"....But the party that Shorten leads is in the box seat on the back of the most progressive fiscal policy proposed by Labor in decades, and the Coalition is in tatters.""
"... the most progressive fiscal policy proposed by Labor in decades,"
Again, hardly inspiring. Especially the case considering the last few decades of "progressive fiscal policy proposed by Labor" for comparison, but your bias moron is all fired up
Underwhelming again.
Especially especially when as I said...
"Disappointing to the point of being insulting considering the glaring political upheavals in that period."
still bill - as in no movement from bill - still
I'll give it a read factobum, but I've gotta warn you, if the media hasn't dug much out from your 220 pages...well...I'm expecting underwhelment...again...
Yep the "coalition is in tatters"
But why oh why, are labor still relatively in tatters in the polls, if the coalition are so broken?
You've gotta wonder
or not....
So sypkan, if you can read The Monthly piece and not recognise that no bullshit Bill is a game changer, then your comprehension skills are lacking. He is the first politician in a long time who is not only prepared to stand up to the vested interests but also understands how to make his message cut through the usual scare campaigns of the coalition. The no bullshit thing is central. He doesn't get excited and go off on flights of rhetoric or play the man. Slomo is the loud mouth at the bar talking over the top of everyone, full of his own importance. Shorten is the quiet one you would go to if you ever needed to know what was really going on.
"Shorten’s fiscal policy platform, of collecting tens of billions of dollars by closing tax loopholes, is arguably as radical as that of Gough Whitlam."
Arguably indeed!
"Shorten succeeded spectacularly in shifting the public debate away from Tony Abbott’s “budget emergency” and towards the now popular view that Australia needs to collect more revenue. And, by finally shifting the debate away from the “blowout” in the cost of welfare and towards the need for the richest to pay their fair share of tax, "
Spectacularly changed the debate?
Or told the public exactly what they wanted to hear, in the process spectacularly delaying shit that should have been dealt with years ago, neglected as too hard by both parties!
"Australian voters have been told for decades that we need to “tighten our belts” and “live within our means”. But in recent years they finally heard a potential prime minister argue that if we don’t cut the company tax rate, if we don’t cut the top personal tax rate, and if we close a bunch of tax loopholes, then we can afford to simultaneously increase spending on essential services and reduce the budget deficit. It’s not rocket science, but it’s radical when viewed in the context of contemporary Australia."
'...increase spending on essential services and reduce the budget deficit...."
And, there it is, the labor magic pudding. Increase spending? Really?
No it's not rocket science, or radical, it's just more of the same from labor.
"...Turnbull’s proposal to give away $80 billion managed to make Shorten seem fiscally responsible, and generously populist … at the same time."
So populism is good now?
Genuine question. I really cannot keep up with when/whether populism is good.
"He opposes corporate tax cuts, assaults the banks, provides sustained support for union interests, risks the budget, seeks to tighten 457 visas and seeks permanently higher levels of spending and tax."
So radical ground breaking bill has suddenly, dramatically, realised what 'the left' of politics are actually supposed to do, rather than obsessing over....
Comforting, it only took a few decades.
I think it all sounds rather good, but radical? spectacular? ground breaking?
pffff
I don't think many people begrudge tightening tax loopholes. But I hope still bill and his cronies have factored in how much of the money from those tax loopholes will find new holes to live in.
I bet they haven't, of course they haven't, because that'd undermine their new free license to increase spending. Increase spending! Did that dude really write that?!!? Or more importantly, does he believe that's what's required? or that it will even work?
Nothing bad there, but nothing to warrant all the excitement either.
"Logic so twisted, it's broken"
A worthy quote from a warrior on here years ago.
Cast your mind back, Sypkan, all the way back to yesterday in the What's What thread (maybe where this discussion should be re-directed. It's gone off the Trump trail somewhat)
https://www.swellnet.com/forums/politico/307178?page=128
Remember the article you posted on Wednesday from your hated Guardian?
Read your response to my question about that article.
Now read my response to that here:
https://www.swellnet.com/forums/politico/307178?page=129
Sorry, I'm in a hurry here, but does it connect to any of your responses above ya reckon?
Can you see a correlation?
What is it you expect or demand from Labor that is disappointing you?
Gotta go.
"Logic so twisted, it's broken"
I think you need to realise that you just saying something doesn't necessarily make it so.
If you're going to write such a denigrating dismissive comment at least justify your position.
Or, you could just continue to sit in your high tower of moral and intellectual superiority, quietly...lonely...isolated but always right
Up to you rapunzal....
No reading, huh Curls? What happened to you, dude? You're becoming more & more like Moe every day.
Never go full Moey!!!!
No respect!!!!
Soitenly!!!!!!!!
Nyuk, nyuk!!!!!!!!!!!!
We've only got 10 more years to go to pay off the debt Labor left us in last time they were in power. At least wait till then before you vote them in again. Debt is death to a country.
Optimist Labor racked up $40bil under COALition its now $174 bil whats your point again?
Bringing this thread back to Trump AND tying it in to The Optimist's optimism, this?
http://amp.timeinc.net/time/5517475/sarah-sanders-god-donald-trump
Clearly god did want him president
Trump is president.
And clinton is not.
Praise the gods for that!!
(the second one)
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I don't know how many times in my life I've heard people who didn't seem very bright, state the obvious that everyone should have known but had forgotten. I think Trump is like that and yes probably used by God for these reasons. To show Americans how far their society has fallen because this guy is the best they could find ? and one of the only people publicly standing up for the values that they founded their now crumbling society on. How embarrassing for them, they walked away from those values and now are paying for it. Worst still, Donald is their prophet. They decided that money was god and not God. They forced God from their lives and went their own path like a fat spoiled child who doesn't know when to stop pigging out on chocolate. They ignored their Fathers wisdom and chose their own and there is the result. Australia is next, just 10 years behind the states and always has been. If you want a glimpse into the future look at them. God forced from society and schools and His wisdom replaced with humanism and eastern religions that have given them crap societies to live in. Haven't you noticed they all want to move here where our society was originally built and based on Gods Christian principles. Peace , justice for all, fairness, help the poor, monogamy, honor to the parents who bore you, honor to God who made you and breathed the breath of life into your lifeless flesh. Yes He sends rain on the evil and the good and saves His judgements on us for a final day. The day is coming, the players are assuming their positions on the chess board of earth, the Lord God is not mocked, He is patient and kind and will have His day at the appointed time. Like Laird Hamilton once said, "if you don't believe in God, you better go and sit under a big tree for a while". Ive been under that tree nearly 40 years ago, its a nice tree because Jesus the price of peace is there with you. The result, a life of pure joy, even with all life's problems and challenges which are there to refine and define you. Even in death you win...that's pretty awesome.....and I also got some 4ft A frames on my own this morning which were pretty awesome too...Ha..
.."Seek and ye shall find,..Knock and the door shall be open unto you...everyone who seeks finds..and everyone who knocks the door will be opened for them"...Jesus The Christ.
Nice post , Optimist.
Good on you.
Jesus wept.
(Fact) Christians alone downgraded U.S.A. into Hell on Earth...
USA #1 Christian Population ...250 million
One quarter of the World's Prisoners are locked up in Christian USA Hellholes.
65% of USA offenders are Christians.
USA Christians by own admission represent the scum of the scum of Planet Earth.
No Nation or Religion combo is half as evil as US Christians...re: WikiHeaven.
Their Comic Strip commands World #1 Demon seed is bound for Heaven. WTF?
Same Earth scum gets off condemning law abiding do gooder Atheists to Hell.
For the record ...Atheists barely amount to 1% of USA evil doers.
Despite this Atheists must serve this evil peoples God to buy a get outta Jail card.
President Bush : Atheists are not Citizens & can't be patriotic.
US Atheists are excluded from Scouts/Public Office/Parenting rights.
Half of Christian USA would never vote for or marry or donate organs to an Atheist.
Christians desecrate Blue Planet then pray to God to rescue them alone. [ Pure Evil ]
World's most Open & Shut case wouldn't kickstart a primary school debate.
World forgives & loves them? Yet everyday they graffiti [Nothing without God?]
Christians ever burden our hands never Gods. Luck will run out! I'd be praying too!
Hmm what is a Christian TB?
I think there are too many people claiming to be Christians , who are not , as we saw with Herr Blob , if you actually were a Christian , there would be no wall / immigration wouldn't be an issue , nationalism would be non-existent , so really what is going on in the USA ?
Firstly! I mean no malice as Christians painted this heavenly picture
I never dreamt of spewing acidic parable, it simply wrote itself. Plain as day!
Yes! sharkman... well noted. "Hmm! What is a Christian?"
True! Swellnetonians would tick Christian [BOX] in order to cut down on jail time.
Hollywood autocues exact same guilt laden last line in every film.
Every Serial Killer finds God whilst being strapped into Electric Chair.
As said it's the US Christians themselves that are feeding us this garb.
After reading their stats who would want to live in the US.
Dutto would pay good money for those stats for new Oz Border Patrol Ad.
Our tough Aussie Christian Convicts get fed to the Crocs...
"Harden the Fuck up or Fuck off to U.S. you goddamned pussies."
Look on the bright side!
Christians could equally argue that they are role model prisoners.
'Never had a finer cellmate'...
Hey Fingers! 'Palm us the Holy Sports Bet...I mean Bible!'
[Disclaimer]
tbb loves Christians...God Squad Bus beamed me home just yesterday...Seriously!
Driver is the nicest bloke I know! Everyone he greets agrees!
Peace + Goodwill to all religions enjoy your Weekend Sessions
God is sending Set of the day your way...Go for it! ~~~~^~~~~`//~~~~/(C__[ + )
A post from way back. Well, Thursday 7th Feb on the What's What thread.
"You're a religious man, are you not, Optimist?
And an optimist too going by your moniker I take it?
"You should never talk about religion and politics". A hoary old chestnut.
BUT...maybe applicable if the view is that the two are interchangeable (as seen through the 'blind faith' prism)?
Personally I try to never discuss religion - especially with a person of faith - if I can avoid it. You can't debate with faith. Well, you can, but it's kind of pointless, and time is precious. Moreso, these days.
Politics is a different kettle of lime-scale though. Most times."
"..BUT...maybe applicable if the view is that the two are interchangeable (as seen through the 'blind faith' prism)?
Personally I try to never discuss religion - especially with a person of faith - if I can avoid it. You can't debate with faith. Well, you can, but it's kind of pointless, and time is precious. Moreso, these days."
I think it's more about that the two are intertwined rather than interchangeable
It's kind of hilarious thar you think you're above blind faith given some of the discussion on here.
"Disclaimer]
tbb loves Christians...God Squad Bus beamed me home just yesterday...Seriously!
Driver is the nicest bloke I know! Everyone he greets agrees!
Peace + Goodwill to all religions enjoy your Weekend Sessions
God is sending Set of the day your way...Go for it! ~~~~^~~~~`//~~~~/(C__[ + )"
Classic stuff. Absolute gold.
Good onya tbb
Easy like Sunday arvo.
Curls, tch tch tch, you seem to be getting dumber every day.
Oh well, what are the corporate Democrats up to I wonder...or Trump for that matter? Fill us in. We're hanging on your every post. Can you mention 'wanna be left wing lesbians' again? Phwoooar!!!!
And it was over.....before it began.
http://thefederalist.com/2019/02/14/russia-hoax-begins-unravel-gaslighti...
That would be the Senate controlled by the Republicans. What did you expect? Trump may avoid personal charges but the evidence that his campaign colluded with Russia is overwhelming as the numerous individuals now either behind bars or about to go there have unwillingly testified. It is also worth remembering that an absence of evidence is not evidence of absence. The possibility that there is insufficient evidence to charge him does not make it any more likely that numerous individuals working closely with him, colluded but did not tell him or act under his instructions. Believe that and you might as well spend the weekend looking for the fairies at the bottom of your garden. Good luck with that. Post it in Good News when you get a shot of the Fairy Queen.
So you say the evidence his campaign colluded is overwhelming.
Then you agree there is no evidence.
Better watch that South coast , BB ...... You might find the sand you bury your head in gets a lot colder than in Sydney.
Blowin are you suffering cognitive decline or just a bad dose of your usual obtuseness in the face of evidence? There is overwhelming evidence of collusion between the CAMPAIGN and Russia. It is not yet clear if there is evidence that TRUMP ordered it or was aware of it. If you still don't get it, please inform your GP.
So his campaign workers have been found guilty of colluding with Russia ?
no just that everyone involved with the Trump campaign lied about their relationship with Russians , so far just a smoking gun...lets wait and see what Mueller's report is , but then again we may never see it...so why did all Trumps men lie about their Russian connections....maybe they just wanted a jail sentence??
Sharkman - You ever had any experience with politically motivated accusations or misuse of the powers of the force responsible for police action ?
Yes , sometimes forces can conspire to suppress someone they don’t like. Particularly if the person being victimised isn’t absolutely squeaky clean initially , that just makes it easier to paint them out as all kinds of bad .
....... but more often they are just bad.
What a classic analogy from the federalist...
"In episode 171 of “Seinfeld,” George Costanza makes up a story about having a house in the Hamptons in order to avoid attending an event with his dead fiancée’s parents, the Rosses. He soon learns they know of his deception but the Rosses nevertheless accept an invitation to the fictitious house.
George picks them up and begins driving towards a house that doesn’t exist. Both the Rosses and George maintain the pretense until George drives to the end of island past the last house in the Hamptons. George silently pleads for the Rosses to put an end to the charade. The lie’s momentum took on a life of its own as the players all continued acting their parts long after the truth was known.
The episode comes to mind as the media has started backing away from the Russia collusion hoax. Like Costanza, many of the media perpetrators seem to know a reckoning is coming. Politico warned Trump haters, “Prepare for disappointment.” Other examples of expectation managing can be found, such as here, here, here, and here. Mueller’s longtime top deputy at the FBI recently warned, “A public narrative has built an expectation that the special counsel will explain his conclusions, but I think that expectation may be seriously misplaced.”"
I used to think seinfeld was the funniest thing ever.
Now it's just the democrats that are the funniest thing ever...
I think it's funny that anyone other than a pro Republican Trump supporter would believe anything The Federalist has to say.
"The Federalist as "a leading disseminator of pro-Trump conspiracies and up-is-down, funhouse-mirror distortions of Special Counsel Robert Mueller's investigation into Russian election meddling and potential Trump involvement."
https://theweek.com/articles/773685/irredeemable-irresponsibility-federa...
But you think that the USA is controlled by Russian “ bots “ ......
Seriously, the whole Russian troll , bot , influencing the election idea is the most tenuous farce I’ve ever encountered. Blindboy was literally accusing people on Swellnet of being Russian robots at the time ...I shit you not. Talk about being caught up in a whirlwind of denial.
How can normal people be so swayed by such pure bullshit ?
Exactly what dramatic, world altering concessions to Russia has the USA ceded to since Trump was elected ?
Absolutely fuck all.
Trumps compliant ego has probably put the USA and Russia on its most stable footing for 70 years . But apparently the doomsday clock is ticking ....
Classic.
Blindboy is probably at home practicing hiding under his school desk to survive a nuclear explosion this arvo. And he thinks others are living in the fifties....
Sure the federalist is a piss take , but so is the Washington Post and the New York Times. The whole USA edifice is a shit show. And it’s not much better here.
SMH has TWO articles about refugees today alone and how it’s the pivotal issue of the election. Oz media feeds it to us hand over fist. Ignore it all.
"Trumps compliant ego has probably put the USA and Russia on its most stable footing for 70 years"
Now that's funny blowin.
"But you think that the USA is controlled by Russian “ bots “ ......
Been to the GP for your dementia test yet Blowfly? Seriously, the inability to follow a logical sequence is an early sign.
No-one thinks the US is controlled by bots ....... They believe that Russian bots influenced the Presidential election , with substantial evidence.
(On 16 February 2018, a United States grand jury indicted 13 Russian nationals and 3 Russian entities, including the Internet Research Agency, on charges of violating criminal laws with the intent to interfere "with U.S. elections and political processes", according to the Justice Department.[5] Wikipedia) ,
Seriously, the whole Russian troll , bot , influencing the election idea is the most tenuous farce. Reference; Blowipedia
Don't worry mate, one day, just by chance, one of your wild, ill-informed guesses will probably come true!
Wait , wasn’t it 12 ads on Facebook or something?
You know those ridiculous pop up ads that you get on the internet that you don’t even acknowledge? Yeah pretty sure it was a few dodgy ads like that which turned the election against that unelectable bitch Hilary Clinton.
Massive influence, BB.
Don’t you wish it was still 1983 so you could still get away with your chicken little impending nuclear holocaust act without getting called out ? USA and Russia are at their most stable point since WW2 . Tell me how this is a bad thing ?
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As Trump takes us to the brink -
"US President Donald Trump says North Korea will someday become "a great Economic Powerhouse" under leader Kim Jong-un, heaping praise on the dictator while announcing the location of the pair's next summit."
Trump is clearly the greatest threat to world peace we've ever seen.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-02-09/donald-trump-praises-north-korea-...
Check out that photo - fuck they're a goofy pair.
Kim Jong-un looks like a giggling schoolgirl holding out her hand to be kissed.
All Kim Jong -un needed was a bit of ego massage and an invite to the table. Sure , he’s an ultimate fuckstick , but antagonising him as the West has done to his family for decades was never the answer. It only made him bristle and brandish his cock proxy nukes.
Look at the head on him. He just craved a bit of recognition. Just give it to him and move on. How hard is it ?
I am curious if you guys like DonaldTrump, or do you hate him?