Trump
Though words do have to be said over and over again.....
GUFFAW !!!!!!!
Is that another self-redaction?
Anyway, back to the thread...
Yeah, back to it.....
Let's see you dance around the issue for another ten pages.
Here's a bit of music to help you get back in your " unique " rhythm.
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Turkey who said I support One Nation?
You're all over the place.
I ask the simplest of questions and you continue to be too clever by half.
When are you going to state your convictions - do you actually have any?
I heard Turkey was caught in flagrante delictico at the Geelong football oval male public toilet.
His conviction was receiving swollen goods.
Ok Turkey, I'll go first.
I'm a long-time Greens voter.
I love the physical environment in Australia - all its coasts, the mountains, the interior.
I love deserted and undeveloped beaches as well as mountains. This includes clean air, clean water, cheap camping, good fishing and preferably uncrowded surf.
This is just Like "Perfect Match", isn't it Turkey?
Increasing population has been an obvious issue to me for decades - one minute there's 12 million people, next minute there's 24 million. Who's benefitting? Who's calling the shots? Who's losing out? What does the future hold?
Politicians haven't touched the population issue with a barge pole, so if Hanson actually brings the issue to the table why wouldn't you at least be part of the discussion and at least try to steer it towards a suitable tone, which for me is an environmental and economic slant. To reject the whole issue because of Hanson makes zero sense.
Of course there is no "answer" to the issues but a conversation is long overdue.
Personally, I'd like to see replacement-level immigration, at least until this country can get its shit together with regards to infrastructure/transport, water usage etc.
A large chunk of those immigrants would be refugees, and you might be surprised to hear that if they had brown or black skin, I'd be completely ok with that.
This will sound like a eulogy when Trump finally dies. HST doing what he did best.
http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/1994/07/he-was-a-crook/308699/
Trump's the best thing to happen to world politics for a long time.
Well said Andy on both post totally agree.
And although i do think we should reduced immigration I think this is good news
http://www.sbs.com.au/news/article/2016/12/13/one-five-pacific-islanders...
I think it sucks that we have a high populations of certain groups of people from countries far away, but generally low population of intake from our neighbouring countries(other than NZ).
Id love to see priority given to our neighbours like Pacific island region, PNG, and off course Indonesia.
Good point I.D., we're close to N.Z. and maybe Fiji but we seem to have bugger all to do with some of our neighbours. Would be nice to counter that.
As for Trump, I think that the whole thing's an unbelievable train wreck but if that's what it takes to shine a light on the U.S. and all its lies, smoke and mirrors, then so be it.
Would be hilarious to see that a foreign nation has subverted an American election. Check this out below.
http://www.alternet.org/story/39416/america's_100_years_of_overthrow
And you can add a good few since this article was written.
Unreal, we'd get to subsidise the farm hands for the other 320 days a year they're not picking fruit as well.
Medicare, dole, pension. ...we will fork out no worries.
Anything as long as the farmers don't have to pay a living wage to their employees.
And when even the report that puts forward the suggestion that their may be a "small" reduction in wage rates, well good luck waiting to find out how low they will plummet.
Lowey institute eh?
Such benevolent people, only looking out for our poor neighbors, no vested interests involved !
Stage 2 of the Oceanic version of the EU.
Selling out Australia's future to support other nations.
At least it would prove a foil to China's orchestrations towards the region.
And of course it'll be a reciprocal arrangement whereby Australians can buy freehold land anywhere in the Pacific right ?
Ummmm, that would be a no.
no particular question tonybarber, well not atm anyway, just your history, floyd, myself and many others have asked perfectly reasonable questions and you just seem to disappear for a few days
yep, good posts andym, nice to see someone willing to put it all out there. to be fair to turkeyman these concepts are kinda slippery, and tend to get steamrolled and exploited by agendas. while I wholeheartedly agree with andym I often think of Australia's east whole east coast as comparable to the whole Indonesian archipelago. from this perspective the east coast could accommodate a similar population, sustain, or support for a small period of time is the question.
having said that, the best thing about oz is how pristine parts of the environment are. surely that's something worth protecting in an over developed world?
gotta agree indod, the travesty of the current globalisation experiment is a country like oz doesn't prioritize it's immediate poor neighbours. indos have been ripped off big time as we accept wealthy migrants from across the globe.
and this is the whole problem with globalisation. it's been a model based on a free for all for the wealthy. and free movement for the already relatively wealthy.
the open borders zealots jumped in bed with the free market zealots, as they both got a version of what they wanted.
the clinton hacking exposed her fantasy of an open borders world, running on green energy etc.etc. I share that dream too,....well I did in 1996. 20 years on that experiment hasn't worked out so well and is in dire need of reassessment. unfortunately ideology isn't facilitating this reassessment as the zealots bunker down behind their ideologies. obtuse to new developments and information
borders are a drag, and totally unfair, but so is reality
I won't single anyone out, but clearly there are open borders enthusiasts on here. I'd love if one, or some, would explain their enthusiasm. is it a moral thing? is it influenced by travel and/or overseas family and friends? or just a bit of idealism?
nothing wrong with any of those, but it really puzzles me why they're so enthused, yet totally unwilling to discuss such things
if one does raise such things, they become all weird, angry and uncommunicative, a bit like I used to be about certain issues, until I grew up a bit, and realised we've all got our own ideals, or no ideals at all, whichever the case may be,...whatever floats your dysfunctional canoe in this impending waterworld of globalisation
one for you blindboy
"Why not talk to Putin? Why not acknowledge that America cannot run the world and that other nations have legitimate strategic interests? What's fascinating about Trump is that while he might regard America as an exceptional country, he's honest about its failings and refuses to pretend it has a right to global domination."
that's coming from the 'clinton news network' no less
America should follow it's rhetoric of engaging with the world, rather than its practice of invading the world
other countries do have legitimate interests and concerns, and I'm sure America wouldn't take to kindly to russia destabilizing a bunch of angry countries on it's doorstep while enjoying the relative safety of vast oceans
as to your point of economic stability ppffffff!
socialism for the stock market and extreme capitalism for the peasants is nothing worth protecting, that's without even considering the massive amounts of energy around the world currently being expended to give the illusion that everything is alright
htt
p://edition.cnn.
com/2016/12/12/opinions/trump-view-putin-stanley/index.html
"socialism for the stock market and extreme capitalism for the peasants is nothing worth protecting, "
Until you have seen Trump's alternative which is nothing more than a radical intensification of both. A fast food chain owner with a history of opposing minimum wage laws in charge of labour? And that is going to alleviate "extreme capitalism"? No it will intensify it. As will his tax cuts for big business and the wealthy.
Oooooweeee! Quote-a-rama!
First Blowie, before he self-redacts AGAIN...
"I heard Turkey was caught in flagrante delictico at the Geelong football oval male public toilet.
His conviction was receiving swollen goods."
Hmmm, what have I told you about projection for the umpteenth time, maaaaate? Tch tch.
Actually, why self-redact on here, Blowie? You've posted crappier shite (believe it or not)
Fun factoid: Rick Perry and Pauline Hanson were both on Dancing with the Stars!
Now, Andy M. Here's a few quotes.
Seeing as this thread is called TRUMP, I'll start with this one:
"Trump's the best thing to happen to world politics for a long time."
and chuck in this one:
"I'm a long-time Greens voter.
I love the physical environment in Australia - all its coasts, the mountains, the interior."
Is this Trump the same bloke who has just appointed Rex Tillerson, CEO of ExxonMobil and Putin business associate, as his Secretary of State? Who's got Scott Pruitt, the attorney general of the oil and gas-intensive state of Oklahoma and climate-change skeptic, to head the Environmental Protection Agency? Who wants Rick Perry, the oily Texas Governor, to head the Energy Department he once infamously vowed to abolish (though he may have got mixed up with the EPA there...whatevers. Same same)?
The same bloke who said climate-change is a Chinese hoax??
Is this what is called 'cognitive dissonance'? Or just a case of, as you described me, "you're all over the place"??
Before we get into Hanson (just don't mention Malcolm Roberts!), here's another quote:
"Politicians haven't touched the population issue with a barge pole, so if Hanson actually brings the issue to the table why wouldn't you at least be part of the discussion and at least try to steer it towards a suitable tone, which for me is an environmental and economic slant. To reject the whole issue because of Hanson makes zero sense."
Hanson's is a single-issue party. It's HER big issue. IMMIGRATION. And, muslims (this time round...chuck in some 'globalisation' too there).
Is it say, the Green’s (who you vote for) BIG issue? Here's their barge-pole/population policy:
http://greens.org.au/policies/population
Got a problem with it, Andy M? Seems alright to me. There are others out there from Labor and the Libs even NXT!
Just because Pauline has got 4, well, 3 members in the parliament, means Hanson's BIG issue is ours? Remember when Clive Palmer had 4 members of parliament? What was his BIG issue again?
What happened to Katter and Wilkie? They're still there. What's theirs?
Maybe that's a question for the corporate media?
I don't need to legitimate Hanson. Her BIG issues aren't mine. The substance of her positions are not worthy of my time or consideration. Though the way she frames her BIG issues and the obfuscations surrounding her blatant racism is. Dick Smith or you may consider it pragmatic to jump onboard (in Dick's case...though I wouldn't rule out his 'relevancy deficiency syndrome') or engage (in yours), but I don't.
Actually, I feel another quote coming on...
Straight from Pauline's mouth (piece):
"One Nation believes that immigration should be open for debate and a population policy in place. Australians have the right to a cohesive society and deny immigration to anyone who does not abide by our law, culture, democracy, flag or Christian way of life. Australians have been tolerant and welcome new migrants coming to find a new homeland. We don’t want or need migrants bringing their problems, laws, culture and opposing religious beliefs on us."
Discuss.
"Could it be any clearer what is going on? As I wrote last week, Trump appears to have made a deal, at least an implicit one, with the Republican leaders in which they get their way on many of the big policy issues—taxes, education, the environment, regulation of finance and the labor market—and he gets to keep hold of his businesses, and his personal brand, the value of which, as he freely admitted a few weeks ago, has been greatly enhanced by his election victory.
This situation has the potential to turn the topmost echelons of the United States government into a kleptocracy. "
New Yorker today
And from the same source
"Donald Trump has chosen a fast-food executive, Andy Puzder, to be his Labor Secretary. Puzder, the C.E.O. of the parent company of the Carl’s Jr. and Hardee’s burger chains, was a heavy donor to the Trump campaign. He is a prominent opponent of raising the minimum wage, of paid sick leave, of efforts to raise the salary threshold for overtime pay, and of Obamacare. Puzder is even critical of the federal relief programs, such as food stamps, that subsidize the poverty wages that he pays his employees. The current federal minimum wage is just $7.25 per hour. "
Trump...draining the swamp or re-filling the sump?
the dancing fowl strikes again
despite your aloofness turkeyman, I'm sure you do what you do for the right reasons. whatever it is that you do that is, it appears you have more than a casual interest in politics.
you should be taking this stuff on board, as I, like andym, am a long term greens voter also, but I'm leaning towards never again...
I think there's a hell of a lot of people like us that are totally disillusioned with the greens and labor. now it's a bit cliche atm to say you're disillusioned with politics generally, but for those that lean left this is very significant, as people turn to parties like one nation and the like because 'the elites' (another sigh-ful cliche) have not listened to the people for a long time..a very long time.
I'm sure many greens and labor voters are the same in holding their noses as they vote, because they don't want to vote for the miserable fucks on the right. but the reality is while the left says all the right things about the environment etc. they've achieved very little regarding things like climate change. we've basically had a twenty year talk fest anually circumnavigating the globe with nothing to show for it. in fact we've seen it really is only rhetoric as those at the top are willing to sacrifice nothing in their way of life whilst advocating strongly the importance of addressing our 'greatest moral challenge' ever. many big talkers on these forums are prime examples. this does not build confidence or compliance as everyone thinks fuck it, if they don't change why the fuck should we?
this is also the case for your pet project agenda 21, which endeavors to address world poverty, amongst other things, by sacrificing the wages and conditions of people at the bottom of the ladder in western societies, as blowin has so convincingly shown. they really should have thought that one through!
so you can come on here and bag us all you want for being, dumb, ignorant, uneducated, populist, etc., choose whichever label you want, and roll off as many examples of the hypocrisy of trump's appointments as you like, but it's all water of a duck's back, as the left has achieved next to nothing besides all the big talk.
mate, people have been giving them the benefit of the doubt for a long time. keeping reasonably quiet and in line hoping for a better future. overzealous political correctness has controlled the narrative so tightly the liberal left has been in a bubble believing they're winning. the fact they're so shellshocked by trumps victory shows it's the lefty elites that are ignorant or dumb, or both, not the plebs!!
so please realise, while these things may not be a priority for you, and it's oh so abhorrent that people want to talk about migration, unless you do, you're doomed, and deemed for the dustbin of politics. many comments at the guardian show there's loads of people like me and andym out there who support green causes vehemently, but seriously question the other policies of the greens (and labor).
so stay aloof and become irrelevant if you wish, but you're not really winning anything...winner
one nation came from nowhere in this election, never even heard from them prior to it, and I follow politics, yet they won four senate seats. since the election they've only gone from strength to strength. if the other paties don't start listening I reckon they'll outnumber the greens by the end of the next one. trust me, I live in the ghetto, where even there, talk of one nation was scoffed at prior to this election. since the election, there's a lot of people talking one nation
Sypkan, can you see your own contradiction. You say 'they have achieved very little'. What is it you want to exactly achieve. The Paris agreement did set limits. Each signed up country is doing its own bit to achieve these limits. Our chief scientist, the man who started the climate change debate have both advised their solution. But yet the believers don't want to believe their suggestions. I am sure you know why One Nation has hit the nerve. A lot of people love or trust Dick Smith. I am sure you know why the Greens are faultering. I am sure you know why Trump has become president. Is really a left and right issue or maybe let's talk facts first before we develop a policy.
Im confused how can the Greens have a population policy?
In regards to refugees they would basically have an open border policy where as long as you can get here and you are a refugee you can stay here. (as they would never turn a true refugee away, no matter how they got here)
That would put Australia towards the top of the list in regard to countries refugees would aim to get too and with over 50 million refugees in the world there is no shortage of supply.
And please don't even say, but we only get such and such amount of refugees....yes that is true because we have policy that discourages refugees from arriving, but if we had the opposite the numbers would be unknown, the number of refugees who want or try to get to Australia is not set in stone, it hugely dictated by policy as we saw under Rudd.
The Greens are exactly like One nation in the fact the don't really have serious policy, they just have policy to attract the voting demographic they are targeting.
Indo says .... " Im confused how can the Greens have a population policy?
In regards to refugees they would basically have an open border policy where as long as you can get here and you are a refugee you can stay here. (as they would never turn a true refugee away, no matter how they got here)"
Indo, I think, no I know, you are completely misrepresenting the Greens policy ... which is regional co-operation for regional processing, not open boarders ....... but don't let the truth get in the way of a good story LOL.
Oddly, Im starting to think Divided Nation's immigration policy is more green than the greens policy if you ignore all the races undertones.
So you're a Greens voter too, Sippy! So what's not up-to-scratch with their population policy (linked - miraculously - above!) for you, as a Greens voter?
In fact, the posting links difficulties have really contributed to the 'truthiness' factor on these threads, in my opinion. Maybe it's why some commenters have dropped off. Like Shatnerd for example. Not that anyone read the links anyway, hey? TL:DR LOL
Actually, my first impressions on your comment Sippy, and others of yours, are the number of buzzwords and concepts of the day bandied about. US media buzzwords and concepts. Like 'open borders', say. Who in Australian politics has that as a policy position again?
Agenda 21? My pet project?? Also I'm a Hillary supporter??
If there is one takeaway thing regarding any stuff I post, it is, maybe, don't conflate the US/UK, and us too much. Politically, and especially, how the corporate media works to disseminate it all. Here, there, wherever.
The Australian media landscape in particular is a really small gene pool. Especially owner-wise. And if you're a worker, and want to remain in work, and keep any options open, you've got to tread carefully. It's not really rocket-science to then connect-the-dots that determine how and why we then get the 'info' we get presented to us for consumption. There's a business imperative.
For example, why would the Guardian today have a (non) story, with great photo (of guess which 'power couple'), about a Tony Abbott radio interview in which he mentions Pauline Hanson? Click-bait, of course. Pauline is click-bait. Lleyonhelm and 18C is. Clive Palmer was. Katter? Wilkie? What happened with them? Are they still around? Who's agenda is front and centre again?
If Pauline shuffled off the mortal/media coil tomorrow, and we didn't see her (and Malcolm Roberts...actually, how do you and Andy M reconcile that!)) swimming on the Barrier Reef, say, EVER AGAIN, would the great Aussie corporate media consuming public get riled up about any of her stuff as the PRE-EMINENT ISSUES OF THE DAY?
Is that possible in our particular media landscape as it is?
Trump is click-bait. There's no real public broadcaster in the States, and now they've got Trump as president. President by corporate media click-bait! No such thing as bad publicity. And there's a sucker born every minute! Ka-ching$ all round!
And the way the ABC is being pilloried and dismantled by this government? We next? Pauline for PM??
OK maybe another quick quote, and stolen from Norman Mailer via Andre Gide, "please do not understand me too quickly." I'm just trying to use these threads to slow things up, well, in the main. Get some thought happening. And take the piss. But is it taking the piss, when it's being given away? Whatever. Read, skim-read, don't read. Up to youse.
...and then a TB & ID microdose!
Jesus H Christ!!!! It's the thread that just keeps giving!!!! It's like some, not dying neverending blurt fest thingy......
Anyhoooooo.... Kanye for 2024 I reckon.....
turkeyman I do read most the stuff you post because I'm genuinely interested, and you do post good stuff (though a little wordy, of course).I do actually appreciate what you do here, same with blindboy, youse are a bit one eyed for my liking, but I admire your convictions and efforts. I think we'd probably agree more than disagree if not in virtual reality land.
however I can't be fucked reading their population policy because it's just words on a page.I judge their immigration policy by the crap that comes, or came, out of sarah hanson young's mouth. yeh she's gone now (the best thing the greens ever did!!). but she gives a good insight into the thinking of the greens establishment. and that insight corresponds with indod's post above, and the stuff blowin is on about.
I really think the left overstates the influence of Rupert Murdoch, yeh he had a lot of influence, but that '...times already a changing'. don't get me started on the guardian, they're as complicit as anyone in supporting the corporatocracy, they just lace it with enough 'greenspeak' and identity politics to appear leftish. it really saddens me that their loyal readers defend them to the hilt...so fucking gullible.
I know you're just a shit stirrer, genuinely trying to spur on debate, but you've gotta answer a question occasionally, and please, please tone down the ambiguity on your positions...just occasionally tell us what you really think.
I like katter, and I think wilkie, oakshot and windsor were the best thing to happen to oz politics at the time. where are they now? worn down and out, just like Garrett, it really is a cunt of a sport, and that's where I have respect (very little actually ) for hanson, her resilience is amazing, a lot to be said for conviction outsiders versus the career politicians of labor.
tonybarber are you rattling on about nuclear again? seriously? you must have some shares in yellowcake inc. because your resilience and conviction is undying, though not really respectable. there's more than one way to skin a cat, and the fact many big players don't advocate alternatives is very telling.
the crap that comes out of clinton's mouth while supporting the saudi oil regime is just insulting. the same for her wall street support, these things are clearly linked and I cannot believe the likes of the guardian can claim to be what they are without investigating these links,...again an insult to one's intelligence.
sheepdog could be right regarding kanye, he's the right colour for the democrats 'diversity' push though the wrong sex for the identity politics journal ( the guardian) plus he's been photographed with the trump, and quoted as supporting trump, so maybe no. which leads me to the utter bullshit pushed by the clinton campaign. that trump is a white supremacist and homophobic. absolute lies fabricated by the democrats. trump said nothing, absolutely nothing!!! about these two groups but that didn't stop the democrats riding these lies for all they were worth, leading to gay people having a self inflicted crisis about what might happen post election. does that equate to concern for minorities?? I think not, quite the opposite.
again, an insult to one's intelligence, this is half of the issue, the left's propensity to cry wolf for political gain. clinton, the student of alinsky, using what was once well meaning, for cynical gain, and it dissipates all the way down to the minions in oz politics. they've lost all credibility in many people's eyes.
having said that, I totally agree, conflating oz with the uk, us phenomena is troublesome, but aussies can see the writing on the wall
I take some of that back, one government from the left has been quite productive and progressive. the SA labour government. despite the state being perpetratually broke, this labor government has managed to do quite a lot with very little.
and now the first steps to go it alone regarding a treaty with aboriginal people. jay wetheril is about as boring and unispiring as bill shorten, but there's no questioning his ability and energy to get stuff done
https
://www
.theguardian.com/australia-news/2016/dec/14/sa-government-aims-to-sign-treaty-with-indigenous-australians-within-12-months
It does have some positives but all regional processing does is turn second base to third base, a more affordable base to get too hence sees even higher numbers, but you still end up with the problem of either taking every refugee who is genuine or turning people away once you get to your set number.(and then those people then try to get to third base by boat)
But Greens could never turn any refugees away anyway it goes against what they stand for so it's not really a population policy, when you don't have a cap on our refugee intake.
Regional processing would never happen anyway it would be silly for a country like Indonesia to agree too it, it would be like ants to honey and cause all kinds of issues.
And If your going to turn second base to third, why not just go all the way and turn first base to third base? and give all refugees who apply for resettlement a chance of a new life.
Hey that's what we already do really, (apply for resettlement at the nearest Aussie embassy) but as we know not everyone wants to wait to go wait to be processed because there is such a a backlog.
oh, I see kanye is out and proud on the trump team now, I was a bit behind the times
I'm not sure if that awkward photo confirms or contradicts what I said above, but trump doesn't look to fazed having the black man around...for a white supremacist
some of his supporters may be having an elvis moment with their televisions though
Turkey's just here to "get some thought happening."
What would I do without your omnipotent wisdom TT??
You really are the suppository of all wisdom although that does help to explain a few things.
Just remember, I'm only trying to help you Turks.
Anyway Eddie Obied got 5yrs
NP of 3yrs
"Turkey's just here to "get some thought happening."
What would I do without your omnipotent wisdom TT??"
Just don't get it confused with your 'groupthink', Andy.
So...how's that Greens Population Policy above, comrade? I'm just stoked I could post a link of any kind to be honest...
"Jesus H Christ!!!! It's the thread that just keeps giving!!!! It's like some, not dying neverending blurt fest thingy......"
Doggo, you're not going 'weeeeeny' are ya, comrade?
I think we established quite a while back your credentials in the groupthink dept. Turks.
A final word - I think your refusal on this site to answer the most civil and reasonable questions means that your contributions are nowhere near as positive as you might like to think.
Personally I'd say you're more part of the problem than the solution.
The royal 'we', Andy? The editorial?
Right......"Credentials in the groupthink department", hey?
I seem to recall someone giving you a potted history about Groupthink as devised by the social psychologist that came up with it in 1972, Irving Janis. And a definition from the man himself, that you didn't like, preferring the Wikipedia one, as I recall. They even supplied how the concept was flawed from the get-go, and how it's been resurrected and used as a pejorative term by the rabid right in the US relatively recently.
Anyway, the Green's population policy just not floating your boat, I guess, hey comrade? Dunno. As I said it seems reasonable to me.
Snuffy, is Little Big the Russian answer to the South African Die Antwoord [Dutch translation]? Too many answers, what're the questions?
Weeeeeeeee
This could easily also go in the "housing price thread" it's both related to unsustainable population growth and housing prices etc
http://www.macrobusiness.com.au/2016/12/dick-smith-vs-waleed-aly-populat...
Here's a little slice of gold.
Migrants that come to Australia whinging about how expensive it is to bring their ageing parents to this country even though they will recoup the cost to the average amount of 8-10 times through their parents then going onto the taxpayers teat.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/nov/16/a-new-temporary-pa...
So 8700 parental reunions per year costing $410,000 over their lifetime. Multiply by ten years of migrant intake = $35 BILLION .
Money well spent ?
At least that extra 87000 people will help pay for our retirements due to Australia's ageing population.
Hey, wait a minute.......
LNP were right. We are living in the age of entitlement. Only it's not the locals that are entitled.
Aussies on the punt chucking in 20 odd billion a year, half on the pokies! Andrew Wilkie, where are ya, mate? Time to go for a dip on the Great Barrier Reef and have a chin-wag with the Breakie numpties on commercial telly!?
Except they're major sponsors of said telly stations?! Especially the Woolies/Coles pokies duopoly! Bugger!
...........don't knock the pokies! Why shouldn't those poor addicted bastards do their bit to keep state taxes more affordable for us sensible types.
Because of people like my mum BB, who after my dad died hit the pokies and within a year was living on cheese sandwiches because she spent all of her war widows pension the day it came in at a pokie venue, who if she did not come in and swipe her card to get "free" drinks, they would send a card saying how much they missed her.
It's no fuckin joke BB, it's a disgrace to our society and so is your attitude!
I see Coles' owner Wesfarmers is now wanting a maximum $1 bet on pokies (they own about 3,000 of them) but "the gaming industry" and Woolies who own around 12,000 are opposing the move.
In a previous professional position I worked with problem gamblers from time to time, most of whom were on the down-low from their partners and families; pleading for more money to pay the mortgage because the bank was threatening foreclosure. It really is sad and rarely ends well without ongoing professional support. I am aware of one person who put $300k through pokies at a very small suburban club without staff lifting a finger. It only stopped when this person killed themselves.
Fucking pokies. Best pubs and bars are the ones with no machines. Should be illegal in my book but then that would probably impinge on someone's rights to wreck their lives.
Sorry to have offended crust, sarcasm doesn't always work without the tone of voice. You are absolutely right. The poker machine industry is a total disgrace , not to mention all the licensees and overpaid club executives lining their already over full pockets by what is essentially pure theft. Screw them all and the politicians who allow it.
Yesterday on ABC 702 Tim Costello claimed NSW had 10% of the world's pokies which is extraordinary if it's true.
Today I went looking for verification but got befuddled by qualifiers - high payout machines, coin operated vs credit card. Pokies just ain't pokies it seems. The stats are there but they're friggen confusing, perhaps deliberately so.
The most perceptive piece yet written about him.
http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2016/04/america-tyranny-donald-trum...