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Shatner'sBassoon started the topic in Friday, 6 Nov 2015 at 7:48pm

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stunet Friday, 26 May 2017 at 10:28am

Foreign group? They're Australians. Australians of Chinese heritage but Australians nevertheless.

Wouldn't do it myself but I personally can't get with the outrage. Could care less how the Chinese treat foreigners, at least as a marker for how we treat them. 

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Blowin Friday, 26 May 2017 at 11:02am

I'm no telling outraged at it, just disappointed that any self interest group of sub - marginal , if not confected relevance has the leverage to not only gain the attention of a the ( hopefully ) busy head of a state but also to gleam a fucking ridiculous concession by merely playing the Respect Your Future Rulers card.

You reckon the Vietnam vets stand a chance of an apology for being sent to kill, die and have their lives ruined due to the erroneous policies of the same government in much recent times ?

It's all about the power .

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tonybarber Friday, 26 May 2017 at 11:56am

Maybe, Im not clear here. Yes those that wished to complain were Aus. We are talking about something that happened many, many years ago and its just not relevant today. The influence of the Chinese both those that are Australians and those who are not is significant. The Dastyari case confirms this. I just can't see why Andrews needed to apologise. Is he being pressured as was Dastyari.

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Gaz1799 Friday, 26 May 2017 at 1:51pm

It's not an outrage it's just a big wank. In the 1800s there were plenty more immigrants settling in oz that got the short end of the stick too. The nation was built on the slavery of convicts FFS. Does everyone else get an apology too? Do all the descendants of convicts now become the forgotten generations who can't move on? If the Chinese somehow require penance for every historical wrong going back 200 years we're all fucked. It's not like the white Australia policy affected them like it did the native Australians. Anyone here tried to get Chinese citizenship?

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stunet Friday, 26 May 2017 at 2:34pm

Yeah, it's a bit of a wank but if some people think this kind of symbolism is necessary to feel included then  why not? Costs fuck all and takes little effort. Tick it off for the sake of goodwill and diplomacy. I doubt it's all Oz-born Chinese that feel this way, probably not even very many of them.

Actually I know it's not, 'cos my mate Goony is fifth gen Chinese Australian - his family has been here longer than mine - and he could give a rats.

And why are people again mentioning Chinese citizenship?? The issue is with Australian-born people of Chinese heritage. It's got f'all to do with Chinese homeland policy. 

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Gaz1799 Friday, 26 May 2017 at 3:37pm

Yeh I agree I think the symbolism is overplayed here a bit. It's the principal that one specific minority requires righting of a wrong that goes so far back its pointless. The 1850s. Seriously? I don't think any governments of today need to be apologizing for the behavior of anyone alive during the gold rush. Political correctness gone mad.
Before too long they'll be apologizing to everyone that ever got caned in school and eventually they'll be apologizing to the children who were forced to grow up before the bans on smacking came into place. Then they'll apologize to everyone else who feels left out and needs to feel special.

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talkingturkey Friday, 26 May 2017 at 5:55pm

"It's the principal that one specific minority requires righting of a wrong that goes so far back its pointless."

"I don't think any governments of today need to be apologizing for the behavior of anyone alive during the gold rush. Political correctness gone mad."

Ease it up, turbo. Have a breath. Relax. Now look at those comments in a wider Aussie context.

What's going on today? And tomorrow? Anniversary or something??

Get in the sea! Have a wash and a wave.

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Blowin Friday, 26 May 2017 at 4:32pm

Bit of a wank sums it up perfectly. So why is it even being humoured ?

You ever had a greivance with the local council ? Been subjected to the stonewalling , condescension and outright refusal to entertain any but the article as stated by council decree ?

Now multiply it by the power of 1000 and you'll be arriving in the vicinity of dealing with state governments.

It's a bit of a wank for sure , but it illustrates pretty well how obsequious our government has become when it comes to appeasing registered minorities.

And if that minority has the unspoken weight of our future overlords behind it then.....bow we shall.

PS since when is 5th generation anything except explicitly Australian ?

You call yourself an English Australian , Stu ?

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talkingturkey Friday, 26 May 2017 at 5:28pm

AND GET OFF MY LAWN!

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Blowin Friday, 26 May 2017 at 5:54pm

Get off my lawn.

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sypkan Friday, 26 May 2017 at 11:59pm

I see your potential 'peak retard', and raise you a proper 'peak retard'

https://stream.org/banning-lou-reed-the-cultural-revolution-eats-its-fat...

The old SSRs (Sixties Sexual Revolutionaries) wanted to transgress norms. To break boundaries. To “liberate” behavior and trample on icons. Then to rip up the Bible-based sexual morality associated with the bourgeois life. The new SJWs want to build a new moral orthodoxy imposed uniformly on all. If anyone from the properly certified minority group has hurt feelings listening to “Walk on the Wild Side,” then nobody should have to hear it. The SJWs want to be the new bourgeois morality.

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stunet Saturday, 27 May 2017 at 8:35am

Blowin "PS since when is 5th generation anything except explicitly Australian ?"

Me, I'm not arguing otherwise but you'd be amazed - or maybe not - at the amount of people who want to remind Goony, a fella who's family has been here longer than most, how he's not welcome in Australia. Of course it's ridiculous and if some of the taunts weren't so spiteful you'd laugh, yet can you not see how years of this abuse might cause some folk to feel less 'Aussie' and more 'other'?

...and Sypkan, Sypkan, Sypkan, I can only barely be bothered reading your posts now they're so absurdly one-sided. A minority incident among gormless first year students at a university I've never heard of is somehow symbolic of "our cultural moment"? Are you on drugs? Or are you really, truly that desperate to find something, anything to justify your slide to conservatism?

So what, you're aging. You want to protect what you've got. Young kids are dumb. "If you're not a liberal at 20 you have no heart, if you're not a conservative at 40 you have no brain." Just accept it and stop these vast overreaches for God's sake.

I mean, fuck, did you even check the form of that rag, or the author? Against abortion, against same-sex relationships, against sex education, against single parenting. For small governments (though she took tonnes of coin from Bush Jr. to fight all the above), and for the culture wars including the Culture War Victory Fund that she founded - and that you are now a voluntary soldier.

Onwards to the culture wars brave soldier....

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sypkan Saturday, 27 May 2017 at 9:07am

Interesting discussion on RN this morning that supports blowin's suggestion that these acts are more about facillitating a future for our chinese overlords rather righting the wrongs of history.

The general discussion was about increasing chinese influence in western countries, especially universities. The guy reckons china has all these propaganda institutions that work with universities etc. to control the china narrative. Apparently universities across the western world have secret agreements with china that they will not raise issues such as tibet or tianaman square.

Pretty sad state of affairs if our universities are controlling freedom of speach, and more importamtly freedom of thought just to appease our future overlords. Universiries were once the domain where radical ideas were encouraged, now they've become the middle of the road, classes in conformity, for compliant dumb rich kids.

He also went on to point out the growing influence china has on hollywood as producers tailor stories to cater for potentially what wiil be their biggest market in the world. Apparently not one richard gere film has ever been released in china (lucky them!!!) due to his outspoken views on tibet.

The modern universities have become the most pathetic places on the planet!

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sypkan Saturday, 27 May 2017 at 9:05am

I'm not desperate at all stunet, and people that know me still call me a radical.

I'm just disgusted how one sided the public narrative has become over the last few decades as alterntive views have been shut down.

I don't neccesarily agree with half the stuff I post, I just think they're worthy of mention. You know, academic argument and all that, that presents both sides of an argument, that seems to have lost it's way a long time ago...and that's my issue!!

PS you don't have to read them! I've never had a post deleted so you can safely skim past if you wish.

And, you do realise that your posts are incredibly one sided too. All the time, every time. Nothing wrong with that, it just seems you guys don't see it.

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blindboy Saturday, 27 May 2017 at 9:20am

In Australia we are trying to address our racist history. The purpose of this is to reduce current racism. In that context, it seems to me, that drawing attention to specific historic abuses is probably helpful. The issue is not about China. It is about Australia and the type of society we want.

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stunet Saturday, 27 May 2017 at 9:22am

"I'm just disgusted how one sided the public narrative had become over the last few decades as alterntive views have been shut down."

It would seem to me that you're tacitly acknowledging one side and totally ignoring the other 'cos when I look around I see debate on both sides being stifled. Each camp using questionable methods.

And the sheer scale of media owned by right-leaning, conservative figures shows that side will never be short of supplies. Rupert, Lachlan, James, Gina, Singo, Stokesy, Bruce Gordon, Janet Cameron, between them they own nearly the whole media pie - except for the ABC to which they're throwing endless volleys at the board to alter the editorial make up. So now Tom Switzer and Amanda Vanstone are plugged in and there'll be more to come.

Many years ago I hitched a ride up to Sydney with a guy I knew who was a hard-left cultural studies teacher. He had Alan Jones and 2GB on the radio and I was astonished. "You gotta know your enemies," he said.

But there's more to it than that. Move around the dial, read a different newspaper, click on a new site, and when you move outside your bubble it hits: people already think differently. The 'alternative views' already get a thorough sounding. So hands off the ABC and here's to reading/listening/watching different sources...

...except that hate-filled, hypocritical, religo-babble site you linked to earlier.

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chook Monday, 29 May 2017 at 9:04am

"Interesting discussion on RN this morning that supports blowin's suggestion that these acts are more about facillitating a future for our chinese overlords rather righting the wrongs of history.

The general discussion was about increasing chinese influence in western countries, especially universities. The guy reckons china has all these propaganda institutions that work with universities etc. to control the china narrative. Apparently universities across the western world have secret agreements with china that they will not raise issues such as tibet or tianaman square.

Pretty sad state of affairs if our universities are controlling freedom of speach, and more importamtly freedom of thought just to appease our future overlords. Universiries were once the domain where radical ideas were encouraged, now they've become the middle of the road, classes in conformity, for compliant dumb rich kids."

Complete and utter bullshit, skypan. You just pulled that out of your ass.
I'm a lecturer, in the last 15 years I've held positions at U Syd UNSW and Mac U. No one tells me what to say, ever. Once you have a doctorate you are the expert and do what the hell you want.
As for the subject of China -- I regularly criticise their human rights and legal and political system from the lectern when discussing political philosophy.
Now I think from my posts here you have a fair idea of how unhinged and deranged I am at times. Well just imagine the outrage and hyperbole I can generate with a microphone, a wall of whiteboards and a captive audience over two hours. Yet never a word from any these universities.

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zenagain Saturday, 27 May 2017 at 10:58am

Chook, what percentage of the 300 students are Chinese?

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davetherave Saturday, 27 May 2017 at 11:15am

The real problem here is not the Chinese but that our university's let someone like chook lecture. Scary. Nah just taking the piss. Maybe they'll let me be in charge of the medical marijuana program. Socialization happens. Fact. The real overlord is ultimately the internal irrespective of the external. Turn away from the illusion to relieve the confusion.

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sypkan Saturday, 27 May 2017 at 2:17pm

RN chook man, check it out... its all there.... on the internet....somewhere...

So no I didn't pull it out of my arse. Be thankful your uni's aren't gimps to the new rulers of the (not so) free world...yet....

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tonybarber Saturday, 27 May 2017 at 4:04pm

From what I see, there is some truth on both sides here. I suspect that what Blowin and others may be highlighting is that China is gaining more and more influence here. It has a powerful and well versed propaganda machine. You only have to look at the Dastyari Chinese comments affair to see this. And note he will come back and is being groomed for future leadership within Labor.
You only have to look at the number of foreign students at the major uni's and the business all Uni's do to get the foreign students in, you can understand the administration are careful not disturb the many foreign markets are into. China is obviously just one.
I dont think the Uni's are at beck and call for foreign influence yet but we are talking about big business here, essential for most of the larger Uni's.

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davetherave Saturday, 27 May 2017 at 5:48pm

The physical reality because of their belief system is that the Chinese need a bigger house and a bigger hard. For now they are happy to put up with outsourcing their future but ultimately they will seize back total control for they fear their survival. Australia care,so share,but feng schway our way. Gough updated version two.

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chook Monday, 29 May 2017 at 9:24am

zen asked "Chook, what percentage of the 300 students are Chinese?"

bit hard to tell in a large first year political philosophy course. i can't tell nationality from looks. you get a better idea in the tutorials. maybe 10 percent.
other subjects, such as media studies, have a larger foreign students numbers. also varies from uni to uni. UNSW and sydney have the largest numbers of foreign students.

there were 136,097 Chinese students in australia 2015. it's growing at about 10 percent a year. next largest group are from india (about 60,000) ...it's expected that the number of india students is going to rapidly rise . then vietnam, singapore, malaysia and indo. lots of american students as well. they come here on one year exchanges and all live at coogee from what i can tell. a large foreign student population is a very good thing for learning. academia has been very international since it's very inception in the middle ages.

sky..btw. most students aren't rich, far from it. the foreign students have mortgaged everything to get here. they are desperate. and the local students --- at UNSW and macquarie most are from the central coast (commuting two hours each way) and the outer west. they work a couple of jobs to survive. this means they have no time to study.

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Gaz1799 Monday, 29 May 2017 at 9:56am

Sypo is bang on the money with Chinese influence on Hollywood. There's so many "token" scenes now where they flick to the helpful Chinese military or there's a random Chinese scientist in the group who has one line for the whole movie but somehow helps save the day. All the big Hollywood blockbusters are now bending over backwards to the Chinese film industry to hedge their bets.

Its the only reason they keep making those god awful marvel/transformers etc sequels. Pacific Rim was a shit fest but now they're making a damn sequel because the movie is one big Chinese handjob.

My experience in uni years back was that foreign students who could hardly write their names were still somehow enrolled in complex units and somehow still seemed to pass. They were paying double the price to be there but it beggared belief that these kids that couldn't hold a conversation but could somehow bash out 2000 words on any topic or take useful notes in a lecture. I'm sure that's not the standard but there were a few that stood out to me at the time. I'm 100% convinced the uni's gave them more help than the average student due to $$$$$$

https://spectator.com.au/2017/04/how-china-censors-your-movies/

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zenagain Monday, 29 May 2017 at 10:19am

So true Gaz, I was astonished that when at Uni, the same people you speak of above, I would go further to say, would get distinctions or even high distinctions in humanities subjects which were contingent on being able to think, comprehend, analyse and express yourself in English.

That is not a Sino-bash, just the university I went to there were always mutterings on how the full-fee paying Asian students were being boosted through and us HECS plebs were seeing the opposite. I really had to earn my pass conceded's. :)

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Gaz1799 Monday, 29 May 2017 at 10:32am

P's get degrees Zen! Yeh I always thought that it beggared belief that someone with hardly any english comprehension could somehow navigate the different referencing systems when it takes so long already just for us native english speakers, and that doesn't even touch on the cultural differences they would need to understand without the proper wording to describe it.

There is no way a lot of these students are getting the education they are paying for.

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talkingturkey Monday, 29 May 2017 at 12:45pm

Some champagne comedy on here. What's what? What's what!

And Sippy, comrade, when you use those 'made in Amerikkka', half-baked, poorly digested and re-regurgitated 'concepts' and terms and acronyms - SJW, SSR! - let alone post up the links of late! ¡Ay, caramba!!

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Sheepdog Monday, 29 May 2017 at 2:18pm

Well.........
Nothing's changed....

Carry on.

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happyasS Monday, 29 May 2017 at 5:13pm

how are the chinese changing education in this country? ..... in one word "extreme-competitiveness".

and not in a good way either.....in the type of way that comes from chinese mums ordering their kids to stay up until midnight studying for the NAPLAN.

....dont laugh. its f'n scary shit. every surf you send your kids out for is one extra study session for little Ping. well its not that bad but you get my drift.

chinese education is better (harder) than ours (or so i hear)....yet Aussie institutions are revered by the chinese. go figure.

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Gaz1799 Monday, 29 May 2017 at 5:23pm

I had a friend that did a quick teaching stint in China and he said that the difference between Aus & Chinese education is huge. He said that over there they basically just memorize the answers to the questions but never really delve into the critical thinking aspect. Apparently its a cultural/societal taboo to question things or use initiative in certain ways. So they have the drive, work ethic and ambition to succeed but don't stand a chance against native Australians with the same qualifications because they didn't grow up with the lateral thinking we have ingrained into us through our education system.
So maybe our kids don't need to be TOO scared until little ping is dropping in on them!

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Blowin Monday, 29 May 2017 at 5:55pm

Pauline Hanson - the moron - stating that we would be swamped in Asians.

And yet here we are 20 years later and they only make up 20 percent of our population ( from a starting point of 3 percent ) .

Not including the 3/4 million Asian student / permanent resident / exploited , wage undermining work force .

Pauline = Dumb cunt .

Of course she doesn't feel that way anymore , now that reality ( politically decimating demographics ) has dawned on her.

Yes , culture is a continuously evolving beast .

But why is it that we are committed to respecting an indigenous culture that by any real terms , perished a generation ago , yet we place zero weight on the formative influence of the European colonial culture on a society that is regarded as in the top 3 globally for aspirational migrants ?

What will our demographics look like in another generation ?

Does anyone care ?

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talkingturkey Monday, 29 May 2017 at 6:20pm

You?

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talkingturkey Monday, 29 May 2017 at 6:31pm

By the way, where'd you get that population figure, Blowie? Actually, what's 'Asian' mean (to you)?

Jeez, bit nasty there about Poh-Lin.

Han-Sun now hate Muslim not just Asian & Abo.

Maybe still hate them.

Yew!

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Blowin Monday, 29 May 2017 at 6:57pm

Stu wanted an argument.

Best I could come up with.

Turkey : How do you feel personally regarding the 3rd from last paragraph ?

Don't tell me you're a culture denier are you TT ?

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talkingturkey Monday, 29 May 2017 at 7:03pm

The 3rd from last sentence (7th) is as jumbled & confused & full of shite as the 2nd, 3rd and 5th sentences.

The 6th one's OK. The 4th is factual. Last one's a bit sad...

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stunet Monday, 29 May 2017 at 7:04pm

20%, Blowin?

It was 12% at the 2011 census and by extrapolating from 2005 census it's probably 13% now. And that includes anyone who has Asian heritage. Guy Sebastian makes the cut, as does Jamie Durie, and Geoff 'Skippy' Huegill. Not to mention Kate Ceberano.

Not sure why you think no-one holds Australian culture in high regard, or that it's not possible to respect more than one culture. Tony Abbott tried that on with Team Australia, but fuck that, whatever teams he's on I'm on the other side.

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Blowin Monday, 29 May 2017 at 7:13pm

Evasive as ever !

You're the rice of thread content , TT !

Bland content filler . Without a discerning flavour of its own.

You got an opinion on the Asianisation of Australia ?

Or more succinctly , what are you're feelings regarding the officially sanctioned smothering of recognition and appreciation of Colonial Anglo culture in Australia ?

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happyasS Monday, 29 May 2017 at 10:01pm

asianisation - (is that even a word???) - sounds dumb.

if "de-asianisation" means i have to go back to 1980's style chinese take-away where honey king prawns was the chefs speciality, then fuck that.

....in all seriousness though the Level 6 IELTS requirements are a load of unnecessary shit. last time i checked Mr Chinatown could barely speak a word of english, but f'n me he could cook good. somehow understanding "australian culture" is important too. meat pies and all that shit....

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sypkan Tuesday, 30 May 2017 at 3:21am

Just because someone is a conservative christian type doesn't mean they're incapable of an astute observation.

In fact, doesn't post modern theory tell us, if you're too close to the action you're less capable of objectivity? The trump fall out certainly seems to confirm this, as intelligent rational people across the planet now lose their shit on a daily basis.

Anyway, that little lou reed thingy was a throw away comment to blowin about something I found quite humourous and ironic, it wasn't meant to be an ideological battle. I read it in a couple of places, and so ...hell...shock....horror... I didn't google the author, or the website. Didn't feel the need to, interesting you guys do feel the need, and judge everything through this left/right prism - or is that prison? - that doesn't allow anything to contaminate the percieved pureness.

Turkeyman, I rarely use those little right wing slogans and abbreviations, and I feel a little dirty when I do. But sometimes they are just so appropriate, one goes with it. And besides, they only get traction because they are appropriate and very fitting. Just because the right came up with them doesn't make them dumb or irrelevant. 'SJW' and 'virtue signalling' are spot on descriptions of the nauseating sanctimony one must endure in modern political debates, just as 'nanny state' is much more descriptive and fitting than 'paternalism'. If the shoe fits...

Re. the china thing, I actually don't think the chinese are this big scary nemesis people make them out to be, and it saddens me that people like stunet's mate 'goony' has to cop shit through these tough political discussions. But I do believe if the gate keepers weren't so damn right nazi-like vigilant in the past we would have been able to have these conversations a long time ago, and would have moved on by now.

Blowin is right in pointing out pauline hanson was correct about 'an asian invasion', just as it seems she was right about many things...just don't talk about it. Luckily most australians seem fine with the asian invasion...now, me included. Not only because the food's gotten better, as hapoyas points out, but because they seem to fit in rather well. They seem to find a good balance keeping their culture, and mixing it up with the anglo culture.

For many people this doesn't seem to be the case for following waves of migration. Whether this is due to; those cultures specifically, an over accomodating muticultural department, or ressistance to the dilution of anglo culture, is open to debate. And, thanks to recent events, we are going to have that debate, like it or not.

Chookman I have had a lot to do with internatuonal students, and with respect, I reckon you're flat out wrong regarding them being wealthy. They may not be wealthy when they convert their money to dollars, but in their home countries they are wealthy beyond their fellow countrymen's wildest dreams. I find this rather concerning, especially when often they are the children of public servants and the like. Considering what a public servant is likely to be paid in china or indonesia, one can hazard a guess they have a supplementary income stream well beyond their base wage...if you know what I mean...

My experience with international students is the english test is quite a bit harder now, so they're probably a little more competent than the examples above. However I did see one student's results, and out of two semesters he had passed just one subject. Mum and Dad mortgaging the house may have been a bad gamble! But I think it doesn't really matter, because we all know permanent residency is the main goal. So if one studies in oz - there's PR points, if one lives in a basket case city like adelaide - more PR points, if one works part time in an industry too lowly for aussies, like aged care or disability - more PR points. One can get PR without even finishing a course it they're smart about it, and trust me, they do.

This is all fine for the aussie cash cow that is education and migration, but it is definitely corrupting a once fine and upstanding education system. Geez one just has to look at the sickening advertising from various universities to see they have sold their souls. Yeh its all part of a bigger tendency towards privatisation - neo liberalism if you will - but personally I used to like to think our system was more resistant to these forces.

The RN peogram I was talking about was an american guy, and no doubt they're further down this road than us, especially considering their starting point. However I've seen this over accomodating tendency myself even in our system, and personally I find it quite disgraceful. As the guy in the show suggested, this isn't necessarily about china bashing, it is more pointing out the disappointing position the universities are in - or more so allowed themselves to be in - where their impartiality is compromised chasing dollars.

We have also seen this in other forms, like newspapers, where one had a pull out magazine from the china propaganda department, with no disclaimers etc. pointing out what it actually was.

Yes I agree, many local students aren't all that wealthy, and they work hard to make it, but the whole university system has adopted a marketing model that defintely undermines what it once was. There was a self confessed liberal (american liberal lefty) on the radio today pointing out how university 'safe spaces' and the like have undermined free speach etc. as universities try to over accomodate students wishes in pursuit of the almighty dollar (besides the political agenda that makes him the ire of his colleagues). As he said, the whole point of university is to challenge students and their beliefs. Sadly no more.

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Gaz1799 Tuesday, 30 May 2017 at 10:07am

In the mid 1800's the population of Chinese in Victoria was 7%. White Australia policy put a halt to that. If that % held true today it would guarantee a senate seat in every state & federal election. The dictation test required for entry obviously left with it but you're mad if you think the existing test required in english with cultural references isn't of a similar vein. Pauline Hanson is just history repeating but the fact is as a small population country we are rife for exploitation by larger countries. Our location in the world all but guarantees that we will be naturalized with our asian neighbours over the next 200 years or so. China grows by about 70 mil p/year. Even indo is growing by 3 million people per year. Pauline was right we are being swamped by asians but there is not a heck of a lot we can do about it because we're in their backyard and our country is great.

As far as the students go, well in the next 30 years or so their universities may be just as good as the west so what happens then? It'll be 2 billion people with ten times the work ethic working for half the pay with the same or better qualifications as us. Also cashed up by the cultural/family support unit system they use. I'm only factoring China here too not India or Indo.

So bleeding hearts aside the immigration system we have actually needs to look much longer term and needs to be looked at sooner as once this horse has bolted it'll be too late. Given the foreign ownership of different parts of our society/resources and the public wanking of irrelevant minority groups like the Chinese miners of the 1800's it's probably already too late.

https://museumvictoria.com.au/origins/history.aspx?pid=9

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Blowin Tuesday, 30 May 2017 at 10:22am

SAS : ASX .

Check it out Gaz1799.

Plan for 200 Nano satellites circling the equator to provide voice / data phone communications for the 3,000,000,000 ( !!!!) people in countries that are currently not covered by any communications technology.

They launch their first 3 satellites on 23rd June from India . SP starting to climb now as the date approaches.

Get into it to help enable the improvement of life in less developed countries....and maybe make a few dollars along the way.

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Gaz1799 Tuesday, 30 May 2017 at 10:45am

It definitely looks like the goods. 2000% stock growth, the website looks like something out of Tron and the CEO is a former jet pilot. I'll admit I'm intrigued.

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Blowin Tuesday, 30 May 2017 at 10:46am

Hope I didn't just jinx them !

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Gaz1799 Tuesday, 30 May 2017 at 10:56am

Pretty huge scope for value adding - the growth potential of a world-wide satellite network with a potential monopoly is impressive. Almost out of this world.....

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Blowin Tuesday, 30 May 2017 at 4:09pm
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Blowin Wednesday, 31 May 2017 at 10:32am

Denial.

http://www.smh.com.au/money/when-will-you-get-a-pay-rise-the-back-story-...

Wilful ignorance or pure incompetence underpinning this lack of insight ?

The belief that wage growth will return to previous heights under the current political direction is risible.

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Blowin Wednesday, 31 May 2017 at 10:48am

Not really my bag, but if you're into video games and you surf....

https://www.youriding.com/en/surf/games/journey

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Gaz1799 Wednesday, 31 May 2017 at 12:02pm

third pic down, smashing the fins clear out on a triple overhead yeeeww!

I read that article and the tower the author is sitting in must be high and shiny.

Policy makers seem completely aghast that private sector wages are flatlining, despite the fact few have worked outside the public sector in decades to actually know what its now like. ABS polls are as useful as tits on a bull.
Personally I think the race to the bottom has only just begun as far as wages go. Entire industries are evaporating and the ones being created are easily outsourced to be cheaper elsewhere. There are many industries also sitting in the sunset wondering where to go next.
"In Australia, the drag from the end of the mining boom is almost at an end. Households with mortgages are feeling the benefits of record low interest rates and rising home values. An ageing population is leading to rapid growth in health services. Indeed, wages growth in the education and health sectors has been strong, underpinned by robust jobs creation."
So the wages growth is occurring in the public sector? No mention that the ageing population is breaking the health sector with all state governments trying to take money out of health to cover debt repayments. And this is whilst their enjoying 'the benefits of record low interest rates" with no mention of how struggling state governments will respond to higher interest rates.

I think things are going to get a lot worse compadres

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talkingturkey Wednesday, 31 May 2017 at 4:37pm

UK election. The most important in generations.

https://www.thecanary.co/2017/05/30/whats-happening-across-front-pages-u...

And here, there are the LNPs media reforms. The most troubling abolishing the "two-out-of-three rule" which restricts cross-media ownership, preventing moguls from controlling a free-to-air TV station, newspapers and radio stations in the same market. What are the implications if this gets through the Senate?

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talkingturkey Wednesday, 31 May 2017 at 6:48pm

Mitch Fifield: Our media package is unabashedly pro-Australian.

(Pssst, Mitch, Murdoch ditched his Australian citizenship years back)

On the chopping block are the “75% reach” and “two out of three” rules.

"The 75% audience reach rule began life in 1987 – before the internet – as a 60% audience reach rule. It meant that the population of the licence areas controlled by one person or company could not exceed 60% of the total Australian population.

Subsequent adjustments made in 1992 extended the rule to 75% of the national audience. This rule’s practical outcome was to create commercial metropolitan (Seven, Nine and Ten) and regional (Prime, WIN, Southern Cross Austereo) television networks.

The two-out-of-three rule was introduced in 2006. Its purpose is to prevent a single person or company from controlling more than two out of three media platforms – commercial radio, commercial television and newspaper – in the same radio licence area.

These rules – together with the “one to a market” rule for TV, the “two to a market” rule for radio, and the minimum independently controlled media voices of five in a metro area or four in a regional area (the “5/4” rule) – have the effect of providing a safety net for voice diversity."

What might change mean?

https://independentaustralia.net/business/business-display/what-changes-...