What's what?

Interesting. I wonder if the ABC will open up for public commentary on its news and opinion site again?

New government, new board, new chair, new MD.

Just to stir up ID :)

There is a Royal inquiry into what the swellnet crew are calling for...

Royal Commission into Jacinda Ardern becoming Australian PM
https://iview.abc.net.au/show/sammy-j

Since my comments she has received a fair bit of criticism for wearing the hijab without knowing what it represents to millions of women, good to see NZ media also reporting the issue too https://www.newstalkzb.co.nz/news/national/iranian-womens-rights-activis...

Damned if you do and damned if you don't, eh Indo?

"Damned if you do and damned if you don't"

So pick a side.

Nah just damned if you do.

When you are in the spot light, ignorance is not an excuse.

How do you know she's ignorant as opposed to making an informed decision?

Stu I appreciate that there are lots of views about hijabs but personally I thought Adern showed a significant level of statesmanship.

"Pick a side" - sounds like there's little room for nuance or discussion.

Lipstick laden Vogue Hijab Model (So Not a bitch!) says NZ PM Hijab is tasteless!
Masih's mirror sees a blatant ugly exploitation of Hijab that haunts her forever.

Seems obvious that someone needs to justify their own selling out of religion.
Over compensating and down so low now desperate for another darkside offer.
How low does one sink in such a small space of time. 1million fans more I'm sure!

Big noticeable difference is that Jacinda Ardern can look proudly in the mirror.

GC salutes AndyM... " 2020 Global Waves Conference"

maybe it's just not so black and white, old mate tawhidi wasn't overly impressed, and it was a bit nauseating when all the news anchors jumped on the bandwagon.

No doubt there's muslms that thought it was an amazing show of respect, and there's a heap that thought what a heap of honkey tokenist bullshit. Or, that non muslims shouldn't wear the hijab at all, I know of one non muslim girl being told to take hers off, nothing to do with Christchurch, it was an aceh thing.

Who would've thought...muslims aren't a big bunch homogeneous clones....like we're lead to believe...

Each to their own I guess...

I bet she was 'informed' one way or another though.

You should watch the four corners special on Christchurch indod. The cyber terrorism expert on there basically echoed many of the thoughts you got slammed for on here. Maybe you just went 'too soon' as they say...

I was being deliberately flippant, Andy.

Arthur has an article that outlines a sound ideological argument for his position on issue X
Martha has an article that outlines a sound ideological argument for her position on issue X.

Anyway....I agree that all she showed was empathy and statesmanship. A small gesture, yet one that people now use to illustrate their own idelogical argument(s).

For mine, this about covers it.

https://theaggie.org/2018/06/12/for-millions-of-covered-women-the-hijab-...

As was I in my original reply to ID, but I'm glad to hear it Stu.

Anyway....I agree that all she showed was empathy and statesmanship. A small gesture, yet one that people now use to illustrate their own idelogical argument(s).

Yep

"How do you know she's ignorant as opposed to making an informed decision?"

Well that's even worse if she knows what it represents to millions of women, but still goes ahead and wears it.

To be honest i was really surprised to see it worn considering the circumstances and then surprised not to see more controversy within the media around her wearing it.

Yeah Sypkan saw that episode, yes basically experts said he should have been picked up, at some stage and should have been monitored, but wasn't because NZ don't have the system/resources in place.

@Andy

Hmmm that article leaves out a few big points.

Yes in some countries women have to wear head or face coverings by law, obviously the most extreme form of oppression (by the state)

But there is also other levels and types of oppression for example.

Even in places like Indonesia, a family may force a child to wear a hijab, then even at an age where there might be some choice, there is an expectation by family, friends, society to continue wearing it.

If they do not this can cause problems within the family who may believe if she does not wear it, it will bring shame to the family.

Then in society by not wearing it again she will be judged and can even be viewed as easy which can bring unwarranted attention from males or a disrespect. etc

Yeah off course many women wear it for other reasons and feely and you are more likely to hear from them because they have the freedom to share their view, but many that don't have a choice also don't have the freedom to share their view.

Personally i have no issues with hijabs i even think it looks feminine, but people should still understand that world wide for many its a symbol of oppression at some level, its not just something that should be thrown on for the day thinking you are showing respect by doing so.

Yeh yeh yeh, I get it. Back off with the aggro, leave the fantasy to Game of Thrones. Get your feet on the bloody ground and look at what is actually happening. Lock the wormhole in the garage. Enough shit is happening right here, right now. We don’t need to import anymore, we don’t need to recycle shit from another era. Take a deep breath, step back and face the deepest reality of all. 60,000 years deep.

“This sovereignty is a spiritual notion: the ancestral tie between the land, or ‘mother nature’, and the Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander peoples who were born there from, remain attached thereto, and must one day return thither to be united with our ancestors. This link is the basis of the ownership of the soil, or better, of sovereignty. It has never been ceded or extinguished, and co-exists with the sovereignty of the Crown.”
Uluru Statement from the Heart

And what happened? Malcolm Turncoat rejected it. Didn’t think it was desirable, not sure how it would work, would never pass a referendum. And anyway Lord Moloch raised an eyebrow at its mention which meant it was instantly fucked. No more possible than legalising recreational drugs or having a workable energy poicy or reducing the corporate rooting, sorry rorting, of the financial system. Shit give people that kind of stuff and next thing you know they will expect to find water in the rivers, native animals in the bush, breathable air in the cities. Plastic free beaches. Unrealistic shit. Totally unrealistic.

UNTIL TODAY! Until Jesus got on the hotline to Scomo. “ On your knees my son, listen to my command or I will loose the hounds of Moloch on you and yours and verily will they uncover much that is sordid and which might profitably be placed upon the leading fold of their daily parchments. Thou shalt honour thy indigenous bretheren within thy Budget! “

And so it was that, rising from his knees, he decreed to those in attendance upon him to forthwith collect the said papyrus containing the Budget that he might make such amendments as his Lord Jesus had ordered. Thus it was that he set aside the sum of $7 million for the purpose of investingating the possibility of a feasability study into the potential pathways by which a special enquiry might be held to consider the question of the circumstances under which it may, or may not, be possible to grant indigenous people a voice in governance.

$7 million dollars? They spend more than that on upgrading the Parliamentary shitters. They spend more than that flying Senatorial fuckwits of to the annual neo-Nazi boot boys’ congress. They spend more than that on Cabinet lunches. And Scomo? Scomo? Scomo that motherfucking parasitical fear mongering piece of crap spent ONE HUNDRED AND EIGHTY MILLION FUCKING DOLLARS on a publicity stunt on Xmas Island. Well Xmas is over arsehole. We the people are coming to kick your arse so hard you will be lucky if you land in this hemisphere! GOODBYE, GOODBYE, YOU’RE LEAVING US GOODBYE! And good fucking riddance.

"ONE HUNDRED AND EIGHTY MILLION FUCKING DOLLARS on a publicity stunt on Xmas Island"

Heard today on the radio, only one refugee has come to Australia under the medical bill, someone with an actual real medical condition.

None have gone to Xmas island.

So what happened to the 50 or so refugees who were waiting to come in desperate need of medical care?

Yep all suddenly got better,

The fact only one person has now come to Oz, confirms the whole thing was a scam.

@bb, hear hear!

there you go again BB , religious vilification OK , but ooooh racism is a non no , keep it up !

Getting a bit sensitive there sharkman. It's not religious vilification to make fun of an egotistical arse who believes he can talk to Jesus when he is just hearing the echo of his own opinions.

PM Fraser,Hawke,Howard,Rudd,Turnbull + Blair,Obama,Trump wear Jew's Kippahs.
PM Thatcher,Clark,Gillard,May,Ardern + Oz J.Bishop all wear Religious Head'wear.

PM Abbott kisses Rings & Crowns + PM scomo & Trump rent out foreheads.

Only PM Keating,Whitlam, Shadow Oz PM say no to Mad Hatters Tea Party.
Snr Keating in a town flatcap + Snr Gough's Brim hat in desert caught out once.
B Shorten > Cudgen SLSC cap / Union Hardhats (No ads here ...nothing suss).

tbb is just asking what the hell did NZ Devil's Daughter do to cop a beating?
60 minutes reckons Charles Wooley's dance of Jacinda's 7 veils will reveal all.
Certainly Wooley has got no ulterior motive to be manhandling her delicates.

“UNTIL TODAY! Until Jesus got on the hotline to Scomo. “ On your knees my son, listen to my command ...”

Recent events tell us to always be suspicious when a man of religion asks you to get down on your knees.

BB , your mocking Jesus is not being over sensitive , just show's religious vilification , which is fine , but just shows you to be a white man living in a Penthouse sipping his latte's and sniping from the lofty heights of ones imagined intellectual elitism!

ive always figured bb for an old divorced cunt living in a shed somewhere, but who knows

Truth be told

Hahahaha! Sounds like a classic internet parlour game, Lounge Lizard.

Imagine that lifestyle!

Funny (yet sad) stuff blowin.

one mans vilification is another’s blasphemy and blasphemy is a high form of humour

https://m.

ah GS , humor offending people , racism , sexism , religion all fair game in your world...funny to see how my question of ," is pedophilia a whitemans disease" was received with calls on how racist I was...hit a big nerve there with the Swillnettians , and the end result was .......???

So sharkman, you are cool with people claiming the direct authority of Jesus in support of their opinions? That is what I was mocking ... and will probably continue to mock.

Your comment on paedophilia was not only racist but completely wrong. If there was a valid point in there somewhere, no-one could locate it.

As someone who suffered the phyiscal bastardy from nuns and later christian brother teachers it’s a particular contradiction in me, I respect genuine religious belief in the individual but never the institution, fair game since Adam was a boy. Plenty have commented here about the particularly hypocritical position adopted by our apparent god fearing PM, virtuously wrapping himself in his faith for cynical political purposes. Do as I say not what I do ... fucking hypocrite, him and all of his god bothering colleagues.

It wouldn't be so bad if Blindboy mocked all religions but he would never mock islam, it's off limits even though the ideology's of islam are even further away from the moral social beliefs he has shared than Christianity.

BTW. paedophilia is in no way a white mans disease, it happens in every culture, it's even accepted in some cultures. (child marriage etc)

Now when you refer to “Islam’s ideology” as you have above you are generalising as it has nothing to do with the religious practice of moderate muslims. Just like christians can’t be labelled pedophiles because of the actions of lowlife scum like Pell. Likewise christians can’t all be tarred with the same brush as the teachings of priests that saw 10s of thousands (possibly millions) die of aids in the 3rd world because condoms were peached against as every sperm is sacred. Greater evil?
https://m.

You talking about Muslim head dress earlier reminded me of something I read about once about the fantasies of someone at Dandenong market, whatever floats your boat I guess.

Z

A bit slow on the uptake there Indo. Muslims are a minority in Australia who are regularly subjected to discrimination, harassment, abuse and violence. So no, I do not mock Islam, even though I probably have less respect for its beliefs and culture than for Christianity. Christianity is part of the Australian mainstream. They do not suffer discrimination, harassment, abuse and violence so when they are ridiculous, they are fair game. If you read a bit more carefully you will see that it was not Christianity I was mocking. It was out idiot PM who believes Jesus talks to him directly ........ when it is only an echo of his own opinions.

BB, Get out of DY and the NB's and go for a walk down the main shopping streets in the likes of Lakemba and Auburn with your Mrs in your everyday modest wear. Tell me how you're treated and looked upon and spoken too. Then talk to me about discrimination, harassment and minorities.
I did a few years ago and the treatment of myself, and particularly my Mrs, was disgraceful.

Ha ha...pretty piss poor excuse for a clear double standard.

So what about Scientology? or what about Jehovahs witnesses?

Would you also refrain from mocking them?...they are both minority groups,..

So what numbers do things need to get to before Islam is fair game to mock like Christianity?

Or how long does it need ti have been here for?

Im cool with criticising even mocking religion but do it consistently or honestly Christianity and Islam, Judaism, Scientology deserved to be mocked..maybe Hinduism for just being totally unbelievable and the cow thing....only religion i have any respect for is Buddhism but that just me.

@Guy "Islam’s ideology” is obviously what is written in the koran.

"They# do not suffer discrimination, harassment, abuse and violence" #Christians.

Im sure many would beg to differ, I've seen it happen, I'm sure you have even verbally attacked people on this forum for their Christian views/beliefs in that Trump thread.

Sex Wax air fresheners seem like a good idea. I've got one in my car, hanging off the rearview mirror like fluffy dice, but the problem is it doesn't smell like Sex Wax.

Am I in the right thread?

Absolutely! My wife brought me back this fluffy shrunken head from Hawaii to hang in my car for good luck. It's worked so far! But my air freshener is an LFC crest. The odour ran out ages ago but it looks nice.

I'm tempted to get an actual cake of Sex Wax and thread a string through it. Should work. Maybe.

Yes my son has one - they appear to be all the rage with the younger set.
Always been my favourite brand.

Just leave it on the dash Stu, the volatiles evaporate in the sun ........

After I typed it I realised I've got a cake of Sex Wax melted in my centre console. It turned to liquid a few times over the summer and there's also a few 5 and 10c pieces and a broken cigarette lighter floating in there now too.

Doesn't smell though.

Sounds like the bottom of my surf box, down there below the spare boardies, booties, spare fin keys, rashees, sunscreen, and whatever, is a thick layer of melted wax mixed with sand, salt and bits of Five Daughters cardboard boxes.

Not sure how it’s done but a mate “lost” a bag of bait in his car for a few weeks a few summers back. No amount of air fresher could remove the smell so he sold the car.

Prawns in the air intake...

Meanwhile back to slightly more serious stuff before a return to the wax, here's more evidence for sharkman:

https://www.thedailybeast.com/child-brides-in-africa-are-advertised-on-f...