Australia Uber Alles
You ever been overseas Sheepy ?
Parp
a problem cannot be solved at the same level it was created from- albert einstein- but what the fuck would he know????????
e=mc, squared-make some sense albert, for christ sakes-better leave religion out of it, bloody judean people's front!!!!!
Anyone catch the 70th anniversary parade and speech by Xi Xinpiing today?
'China will remain committed to peaceful development' and 'China will never seek hegemony or expansion'.
Nothing says peace more than a parade of inter-continental ballistic missiles:)
Yeah that was quite a sight to behold alright. How's those missiles they've got that apparently the U.S. have even declared to be indefensible?!? No matter who you believe, we're all only one fruit loop away from a firey end. Every day is a bonus anyway, but with this shit cooking away, it makes everyday 10 fold :-)
"You ever been overseas Sheepy ?"...... A pointless question... An evasion.... We helped install the Iraq regime, therefore the formation of ISIS.. We backed Frances bombing of Libya, the overthrow of Gaddafi, and the rise of the Muslim brotherhood....
BTW, of course I have been overseas.... But I haven't been to Iraq, Syria, Libya... You haven't either.... A cosy motel room in Bali, or a backpack trip through England doesn't count, buddy.....
Ya' can't go bombing countries, helping criminals to take over, then whinge about innocent civilians rocking up on your shore, calling them "illegals"... That's why our complicit allies like France and Germany are taking them in........ The tide is turning blowin... More and more people are "getting it'...... I wonder if you will still hold this "welfare chaser" opinion in 5 years... Or will you flip flop and join popular opinion....
Imagine if china or any country for that matter conducted their foreign policy in the same way that America and its vassal states do. I'm happy for them to parade their toys as long as they maintain their history of avoiding meddling in foreign nations militarily. While they are, America, Australia etc are out there actually using their weapons to kill more innocent civilians and do more damage.
Well that's right, manbat.. We don't parade our weapons... We use them... In covert ops' and proxy wars.... Then whinge about people fleeing the hell..... Damn illegals... Freekn ingrates.... Welfare chasers....
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manbat wrote:Imagine if china or any country for that matter conducted their foreign policy in the same way that America and its vassal states do. I'm happy for them to parade their toys as long as they maintain their history of avoiding meddling in foreign nations militarily. While they are, America, Australia etc are out there actually using their weapons to kill more innocent civilians and do more damage.
Err, you mighta forgotten Tibet there mate with reference to China behaving itself.
Err, nah I didnt mate why would you think that?
braudulio wrote:manbat wrote:Imagine if china or any country for that matter conducted their foreign policy in the same way that America and its vassal states do. I'm happy for them to parade their toys as long as they maintain their history of avoiding meddling in foreign nations militarily. While they are, America, Australia etc are out there actually using their weapons to kill more innocent civilians and do more damage.
Err, you mighta forgotten Tibet there mate with reference to China behaving itself.
Maybe do some background? Lots of water under the bridge there...... Borders weren't drawn up over oil by the west after ww1 and ww2, like the middle east....
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2009-03-10/factbox-historical-relationship-be...
manbat wrote:... maintain their history of avoiding meddling in foreign nations militarily.
My apologies manbat, I'd forgotten until sheepdog kindly pointed it out that history only starts with WW1.
As you were.
Nah your right brau an ongoing territorial dispute at this scale illustrates a foriegn policy comparable to Vietnam, cambodia, laos, iraq, Afghanistan, lybia, syria, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc. Thanks for pointing out the flaw in my post.
braudulio wrote:manbat wrote:... maintain their history of avoiding meddling in foreign nations militarily.
My apologies manbat, I'd forgotten until sheepdog kindly pointed it out that history only starts with WW1.
As you were.
Yes.... Let's go back to Australia's history in the middle east pre ww1, then..... Over to you,, champ...
Even the USA is starting to look at our treatment of those welfare chasing illegal ingrates...;
"The New York Times has published an opinion piece eviscerating Australia's treatment of asylum seekers, describing the government's immigration policy as "brutal", "unconscionable", and "ruthlessly effective"."
"His (Abbott) policies have been inhumane, of dubious legality and strikingly at odds with the country’s tradition of welcoming people fleeing persecution and war"
http://www.9news.com.au/national/2015/09/04/08/14/new-york-times-tears-s...
Doesn't get much bigger than the new york times.....
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is ron jeremy editor at large of the new york times sheepy???????
Haha if we pissed the yanks off we must be doing something right?..bunch a hypocrites wait 'til TRUMP gets in and builds those walls..must be onto something if everyone else wants to copy us?
davetherave wrote:is ron jeremy editor at large of the new york times sheepy???????
Now now... Dave... people are dying........
But maybe if big ron was president.... Bomb isis with porn vids? It's that crazy it might work lol
with a bit of vision australia could have already done this about ten times over with the money we have wasted on offshore detention centres
http://news.yahoo.com/egypt-billionare-offers-buy-med-island-refugees-15...
if possible this government could make us look like even dumber moral-less rednecks than abbott has already achieved
http://mobile.abc.net.au/news/2015-09-03/new-zealand-suspends-aid-to-nau...
Sheepdog wrote:Well that's right, manbat.. We don't parade our weapons... We use them... In covert ops' and proxy wars.... Then whinge about people fleeing the hell..... Damn illegals... Freekn ingrates.... Welfare chasers....
I'm certainly not whinging about people fleeing the hell, but what's the answer to the current state of affairs in Syria/Iraq etc?! Not what should of been done years ago & why it's got to this state, but what about NOW. Having a cup of tea & a chat with the likes of ISIS isn't really an option is it? From the comfort of our lounge rooms in this mainly healthy safe country, watching this mass murder unfold on our flat screen TVs, surely we can't stand by & allow this horror to go on with political dialogue alone.........War is the last resort, yes innocent people die, but what is the cost of doing nothing?!?
"Having a cup of tea & a chat with the likes of ISIS isn't really an option"
If you say so..... Rabbit.. The first thing that has to be dealt with, and I'm talking domestically, is we as a nation have to man the fuck up.. I've discussed it at length... I really don't feel like having to explain myself for the umpteenth time.... That's not a dig at you... Maybe you haven't followed the thread fully...
English Tv personality employed by Rupert Murdoch, and resident "the Sun" mole Katie Hopkins;
" 'Rescue boats? I'd use gun ships on migrants'."
"Show me pictures of coffins, show me bodies floating in water, play violins and show me skinny people looking sad. I still don't care".
Nice.......
Rabbits68 wrote:Sheepdog wrote:Well that's right, manbat.. We don't parade our weapons... We use them... In covert ops' and proxy wars.... Then whinge about people fleeing the hell..... Damn illegals... Freekn ingrates.... Welfare chasers....
I'm certainly not whinging about people fleeing the hell, but what's the answer to the current state of affairs in Syria/Iraq etc?! Not what should of been done years ago & why it's got to this state, but what about NOW. Having a cup of tea & a chat with the likes of ISIS isn't really an option is is? From the comfort of our lounge rooms in this mainly healthy safe country, watching this mass murder unfold on our flat screen TVs, surely we can't stand by & allow this horror to go on with political dialogue alone.........War is the last resort, yes innocent people die, but what is the cost of doing nothing?!?
The answer is for the US and its proxies to withdraw completely from the region, withdraw their militaries, put an end to providing funding, weapons, training and fighters to questionable militia, withdraw ngo's that have been in place in the region to undermine the local politics. That's one solution but the US won't withdraw until Syria is destroyed. Iraq, Syria, Afghanistan, Yemen and the north African states in America's sights will remain a quagmire while the US maintain their interests there.
The Russians are involved in Syria again now and hopefully they will have some effect.
manbat wrote:Rabbits68 wrote:Sheepdog wrote:Well that's right, manbat.. We don't parade our weapons... We use them... In covert ops' and proxy wars.... Then whinge about people fleeing the hell..... Damn illegals... Freekn ingrates.... Welfare chasers....
I'm certainly not whinging about people fleeing the hell, but what's the answer to the current state of affairs in Syria/Iraq etc?! Not what should of been done years ago & why it's got to this state, but what about NOW. Having a cup of tea & a chat with the likes of ISIS isn't really an option is is? From the comfort of our lounge rooms in this mainly healthy safe country, watching this mass murder unfold on our flat screen TVs, surely we can't stand by & allow this horror to go on with political dialogue alone.........War is the last resort, yes innocent people die, but what is the cost of doing nothing?!?
The answer is for the US and its proxies to withdraw completely from the region, withdraw their militaries, put an end to providing funding, weapons, training and fighters to questionable militia, withdraw ngo's that have been in place in the region to undermine the local politics. That's one solution but the US won't withdraw until Syria is destroyed. Iraq, Syria, Afghanistan, Yemen and the north African states in America's site will remain a quagmire while the US maintain their interests there.
The Russians are involved in Syria again now and hopefully they will have some effect.
Interesting Manbat. The reality is complicated for sure. Even if this actually eventuated, innocent people will still be getting slaughtered in their own homes. It's pretty hard to grasp the reality from over here, unless of course one has had first hand experience.......
It is, its totally impossible for us to have any scope of what it must be like, I personally can't imagine many things that would be more terrifying than to be living in a war zone.
Grew up with the stories of war that my mum would tell me.... Unspeakable things.... She was a girl in germany.........
Imagine a cat 5 cyclone bearing down.. Roofs flying.. glass windows warping.... Or for those in bush fire prone areas, imagine ash wednesday... But then picture it day after day after day after day.. For years... No shops, no power, and psychos roaming the streets between fire fronts..... Just enough time to collect the dead, and it hits again.... Day after day after day....
You try to escape... But some people call you a welfare chaser and throw you in a PNG camp...... Those people actually helped light the fire... That's Howard, and Rudd, and Gillard, and now Abbott... Fuckn shame on them, and the numbnuts who gave the polls a boost every time an Australian leader "came down hard on illegals".......
Fuckn shame on them.... No better than Katie Hopkins...
Take ownership... USA/France/Germany/England/AUSTRALIA etc...... ADMIT we fucked up re' gulf war2 and Libya.... Man the fuck up..... Don't expect countries like Turkey to take in the people we are culpible of displacing..... Take them in.... They shouldn't even have to get here by fuckn boat.... It's like we're bitching about where the blood spills, but not addressing the wound.... Pathetic....
Then go in and fix the fuckn shit we created..... Tell assad hey, you can stay... No hard feelings... Then either get the fuck out, or wipe ISIS off the map with the backing of Syria, Turkey etc....... You dont fix anything pissfarting around in limbo.....
Man up and admit it's all been bullshit, Abbott.... Shorten....
So now you want to go to war in Syria ?
Blowin wrote:So now you want to go to war in Syria ?
Another stupid question... Why don't you go for 3 in a row?
We're already at war in Syria.... Cmon, mate.... Don't play dumb....
And I said make a decision either way..... Either COMMIT to wiping out ISIS, or get out.... I'd personally get out.... But the USA/Australia/England etc may have got themselves that freekn entwined, that the only option is scorched earth.... I don't have all the facts on the table... I'm not in ASIO, blowin....But I know this limbo pissfarting wont fix it.... Never does..
BTW, Abbott is complicit in the refugee disaster unfolding in Turkey and eastern Europe IMO...
Not so long ago, Al Jazeera reported throughout the Middle East that Abbott's Australia wants to join the USA in expanded bombing of Syria.... Well.... Those in Syria with TV's, mobile phones, radios here the news..... The street gossip grapevine goes off..... "Increased bombing" the civilians scream... "More countries coming to bomb" yells the town crier..... Families fearful of becoming war stats understandably scatter across the border to join 1 900 000 others in Turkey... It spills over....
If Abbotts comments were purely for domestic poll boost, well..... Disgrace.....
There is another factor.... The "unknown known", to quote "Rummy".... Some really big shit is about to go down.... It's known on the streets over there.... But unknown here..... European leaders know on the sly... That's why they are bending over to allow these people through......
What is the big 'event' about to go down in Syria ? Russia ?
I'm not sure what sheepy is referring to barbs but certainly looks like Russia is about to go down in syria
Barbs, manbat.... As you have seen over the past 24 hours, , you read it first here on swellnet.... ;)
Ummm, you didn't actually say anything Sheepdog.
You did act as though you in fact work for ASIO , and had some high level secret information that you couldn't divulge to the Swellnet Military Intelligence Community.
Blowin... Oh I said a few things.... Open your f****** eyes, mate....
Sorry mate, could you repeat what you said ?
I seem to have missed it.
No.
Still too highly classified ?
Nope... You just refuse to see it... I'll spoon feed you if you need it... Hear comes the choo choo train.... choo choo... choo choo....
.... choo choo.... 5/9/15 - "Some really big shit is about to go down.... It's known on the streets over there.... But unknown here..... European leaders know on the sly... That's why they are bending over to allow these people through......".... Choo choo....
Open your mouth blowin... This one's a car....VROOM VROOM....
9/9/15 VROOM VROOM..... "Russia has sent two tank landing ships and additional aircraft to Syria in the past day or so and has deployed a small number of forces there, U.S. officials said on Wednesday, in the latest signs of a military buildup that has put Washington on edge."
http://in.reuters.com/article/2015/09/09/mideast-crisis-syria-usa-idINL1...
Vroom vroom...... 10/10/15 - "Reports of growing Russian military activity in Syria are a cause for concern, NATO secretary-general Jens Stoltenberg has said."
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-09-10/russian-military-buildup-continues...
So I'll repeat what i said with the choo choo mouthful blowin...... " It's known on the streets over there.... But unknown here..... European leaders know on the sly... That's why they are bending over to allow these people through......".
It's all about the oil reserves in Syria on their western coast.... That's why the people are running... They aren't chasing fucking welfare, mate....
How about another patronizing question? But first, do some freekn background, mate.... Here's a start for ya...
So you were talking about Russia ?
Sorry mate, just the way you never actually stated it and the fact that virtually everyone already knew this , I thought you were referring to some unknown information.
Tony Barber's and Manbats comments straight after should let you know how Shhhhhh the whole Russian thing is.
OIL ? thats just part of the picture....The Syrians will probably do OK in OZ..However sadly this is not always the case with refugees who come here, Afghan refugees have a very poor employment outcomes in Oz with just 9 per cent in work five years after settlement. That cant be good,,,,Russians ? wot about the Chinese ? they say one out of 6 of the worlds peoples are Chinese, there are six in my family and im pretty sure my shifty little bro Bing Lee may have some Chinese in him.
Prothero, it may be Bing Lee but my guess it would be Kevin?
.....you are right Zenagain
sheepy, oils aint oils sol, not just oil, but ideology, religious indoctrination is very pervasive and silently runs below the surface, also, the beatles classic, back in the ussr, been doing shit in syria for years, do not want it to become common knowledge.
this full moon on sept 28? always been said to be a big game changer
but some things cannot be undone
hawks 3 times premiers
cowboys win first ever nrl premiership
headline today, "australia opens it's doors" small print, ever so slightly- how will the planet and it's electromagnetic resonance react to the land of oz, being stingy???????
energy trail looks quite daunting.
Manbat (by the way, awesome user name) that was a fascinating read and a real eye opener. Thankyou.
wow! secret agent sheepdog trumped by secret agent manbat. that shit should be all over the media. now I see why it's all so complicated.
battles for power are always about energy...and the US of course
Murdoch has an interest in genie oil and gas which has oil exploration and pipeline interests in Syria so you won't hear anything other than pro bombing from most of the mainstream media.
y'all realise that this little corner of the globe has been a hot zone since well before the US became a global player, and will remain so whether the US (and we) are involved or not?
It's a little condescending toward the Arabs, Kurds, Turks, Jews, Russians, Iranians, and other Star Wars bar characters to assume that all of this is only due to the malign hand of the USA / The West don't you think?
There's so many layers, actors, double-dealings, unlikely match-ups, unsettled historical grievances in this piece to keep it all going for years. The Russian involvement is now fairly open, but I'd bet that they've been there for as long as anyone. The Iranians have been in the fight since the start. The Gulf States are in up to their necks, on both sides of the fence. ?Turkey? The most to lose (Kurdistan) and the most to gain (Asad regime collapse)... Israel? hmmm
I'd suggest that maybe the US isn't the biggest dog in this fight. And maybe ISIL actually was the black swan that no one really predicted. Sometimes things really escalate...
A student, a decent young woman, dragged away in front of all... 2 months and she would've graduated.... This is the modern Australia....
http://www.theage.com.au/queensland/brisbane-student-dragged-on-ground-s...