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hey @info, just want to ask you how your 7:16 pm and 9:01 pm posts above represent your long held “stated” desire to engage in constructive debate here in the SN forums? Personally, I find both deeply offensive but not as much as the grotesque AI picture you posted the other day of Trump and Netanyahu sunbathing in deck chairs in Gaza.
So @info what’s it going to be? a genuine commitment on your part to lift your game or is it really just your sicko abasement of forum standards in the attempt to trigger people …. or are you asking others to do what you say but not what you do?
indo-dreaming wrote:What garbage the areas the IDF operate in on the ground are cleared of civilians if there is any that wont leave they aren't walking around when Hamas and IDF are in the area.
Bro, give it up, we've all seen the videos. أنت أحمق جاهل من جزيرة فيليب
Optimist wrote:Oh dear…vexxedjeff…..Luke Farritor is doing something meaningful to him with his life.
You on the other hand…..should get some sleep and find something to do with yours…..Early to bed early to rise etc etc.
Optimistic fan boy thinks that
Luke Farritor. is doing something meaningful with his life.
@ Optimists definition of meaningful,
Denying breakfast to kids in Timor
Denying maternity care for women across the Pacific.
Leaving $340 million worth of American grown food to rot overseas, no workers,
Axing a specialist Ebola medical team in Uganda , just as a new Ebola outbreak starts ,
Reducing Kansas and other US farmers income who grew food for USAid by
$2 Billion
Axing much needed Tuberculosis specialists ,who design highly specialised treatment. regimes, for individual patients with multi drug resistant tuberculosis ,
Why do you need to do that?
Because you don’t want multi drug resistant Tuberculosis’s to overrun the Globe.
Specialists axed with no warning.
Another great optimistic der moment
Der
Sounds meaningful to an optimistic idiot.
GuySmiley wrote:hey @info, just want to ask you how your 7:16 pm and 9:01 pm posts above represent your long held “stated” desire to engage in constructive debate here in the SN forums? Personally, I find both deeply offensive but not as much as the grotesque AI picture you posted the other day of Trump and Netanyahu sunbathing in deck chairs in Gaza.
So @info what’s it going to be? a genuine commitment on your part to lift your game or is it really just your sicko abasement of forum standards in the attempt to trigger people …. or are you asking others to do what you say but not what you do?
Ha ha WTF "The pot calling the kettle black"
You are in no position at all to claim any moral high ground, you are basically a troll 80% of the time.
Post at 7:16 clearly shows where the motivation for the social media post comes from, its not at all a coincidence these claims pop up just after three starved Israeli's got released , although it should be noted these kind of social media post have circulated before and turned out to be cancer patients.
Post 9:01 shows how poor and bias the source was.
As for my photo of Trump and Bibi, lighten up dude.
BTW. You never got back to me on some examples on when you have changed your mind/position on an issue???????
@mizinfo, Say what you want. But you are trying to justify mass killings. We are against mass killings in the name of colonisation. And everyone is a liar except you. Ha ha!
indo-dreaming wrote:You mean like the western doctor's at the start of the war that claimed 300 died in a IDF rocket strike on a hospital, and then it turned out to be a misfired Palestine Islamic Jihad rocket that caused a 2 ft dent in the carpark the fire ball being the cars that caught on fire.
In the end there was no evidence of any deaths because it's likely no body was in the carpark area.
Google western doctors in Gaza and you quickly get the picture "Mohammed Mustafa" from Perth, Dr Modher Albeiruti from Sydney, not that non arab doctor's cant be full of shit they are in Gaza for a reason and would probably get a bullet through the head from Hamas if they dont stick to Hamas narratives.
But hey you keep on believing that Israel just wants to kill children and women and that Hamas and Co are good honest people that just want peace and promises of killing all Jews is just a case of tourettes.
Anyway Trump still sounds keen on his Gaza plan.
Indo I think it's a bit disingenuous the way you keep referring to the opposite end of this argument spectrum as Hamas supporters, terrorist supporters, etc, etc.
I think a large part of the general population simply don't agree with what the Israeli government is doing in Gaza, and as human beings are appalled by the way it has reacted to what happened to their own people on Oct 7. It's not a case of hating Israeli people and supporting Hamas and terrorists. It's simply people from all walks of life and religions saying what they have done is wrong, and should have been handled like civilised human beings which is what the Israeli government purports themselves to be.
In case you don't know what I'm referring to here's a reminder. It's pretty confronting you must agree.
Nice try Garyg1412. Be prepared to be told how you are wrong and that you are cooked. But yes, good post.
indo-dreaming wrote:"Anthony Albanese to speak to Donald Trump after US President flagged 25 per cent tariff on steel, aluminium"
The PM has confirmed he will speak directly to Donald Trump after the US President announced sweeping tariffs on steel and aluminium."
https://www.news.com.au/finance/economy/australian-economy/trump-announc...
Said to talk in the next 24hrs
This is so funny Albo would be shiting himself right now, can you imagine the phone call, god id love to be able to listen in.
Donald will give some hints on how to run a chook raffle, whether Sleezy has the ability to understand I doubt!
Supafreak wrote:Yes thanks. S R
It’s been obvious for a
while now,
and I still get a lot of my information from
Meidas Touch and other pro democracy sources, despite the criticism from the
Supa , Indos who never actually view any of them.
……. So jeffy when does the invasion of Mexico, Canada & Greenland begin ? Plus the military takeover of the panama canal . You made these statements and have since doubled down on them . Your sources like MTN are full of shit & this is why I choose not to watch them . To compare Fox News with MTN is really setting a low bar .
Jeffy NoWhereMan only knows one bar, its when Heeby and JulianG are around
Countries must stand on their own two feet and stop looking for US hand outs.
These are paid for by US taxpayers who themselves are battling for a home and a life.
Timor for example with all their gas revenue spend only 2% on reinvesting into agriculture when every citizen owns and is entitled to 1.5 hectares of land.
Also in Timor, it is “ not cool” to be a farmer so the young move to the cities and look for foreign food handouts and jobs in other sectors. Many leaving the country.
That mentality is the Timor govts to fix….farmers are cool in Australia etc etc.
The solutions are already in every country. Every country has to work within their means and with what they have.
The U.S. have had enough trying to fix the problems of people who won’t help themselves for whatever reason.
From what I’ve seen (first hand) of US and Australian aid programs and distribution, there’s very few (if any) “handouts”.
That’s emotionally laden language that intentionally disguises the costs, purposes and benefits of well planned and executed programs.
What’s frustrating is seeing countries that actually do run ‘handout’ programs (like the PRC) be given a free kick to fill the void, undoing decades of work.
NGOs and aid organisations have many challenges and can be incredibly frustrating to work with. But this move by the Trump / Musk administration is shortsighted and petty.
“ As for my photo of Trump and Bibi, lighten up dude.”
Lighten up you say? You want me to lighten up at your thoughtless mocking of the death of 50,000 Palestinians, crimes against humanity, genocide and the deliberate and systematic levelling of Gaza?
No @info, rather than doubling down you ought to be reflective on how bad your sick joke truly was, making light of misery of largely innocent people.
Jesus, @Opti, wake up a bit Ol' Testament this morning?
Sometimes I doubt your commitment to Sparkle Motion.
garyg1412 wrote:indo-dreaming wrote:You mean like the western doctor's at the start of the war that claimed 300 died in a IDF rocket strike on a hospital, and then it turned out to be a misfired Palestine Islamic Jihad rocket that caused a 2 ft dent in the carpark the fire ball being the cars that caught on fire.
In the end there was no evidence of any deaths because it's likely no body was in the carpark area.
Google western doctors in Gaza and you quickly get the picture "Mohammed Mustafa" from Perth, Dr Modher Albeiruti from Sydney, not that non arab doctor's cant be full of shit they are in Gaza for a reason and would probably get a bullet through the head from Hamas if they dont stick to Hamas narratives.
But hey you keep on believing that Israel just wants to kill children and women and that Hamas and Co are good honest people that just want peace and promises of killing all Jews is just a case of tourettes.
Anyway Trump still sounds keen on his Gaza plan.
Indo I think it's a bit disingenuous the way you keep referring to the opposite end of this argument spectrum as Hamas supporters, terrorist supporters, etc, etc.
I think a large part of the general population simply don't agree with what the Israeli government is doing in Gaza, and as human beings are appalled by the way it has reacted to what happened to their own people on Oct 7. It's not a case of hating Israeli people and supporting Hamas and terrorists. It's simply people from all walks of life and religions saying what they have done is wrong, and should have been handled like civilised human beings which is what the Israeli government purports themselves to be.
In case you don't know what I'm referring to here's a reminder. It's pretty confronting you must agree.
Why didn't Hamas release the hostages to stop the bombing from Israel? That's what Israel said would happen and weather you believe them or not it would have been a real turning point in the war if the bombardment kept happening.
Hamas were told, they didn't listen. They have blood on their hands too
The US thread descending into an Israeli / Hamas screaming match.
soggydog wrote:@mizinfo, Say what you want. But you are trying to justify mass killings. We are against mass killings in the name of colonisation. And everyone is a liar except you. Ha ha!
https://www.instagram.com/reel/DFLMA6MvnGC/?igsh=MTluODl0enNwMGE4Mw==
looks like a trustworthy source. LMAO
I didn’t look at all fe stocks yesterday but the 3 I hold went up a cent or 2. It doesn’t look like the market has too many concerns about tariffs. I was expecting weakness but it never happened.
Kevin Rudd should be recalled asap. That clown has zero ability to champion Australia with Trump in charge. The snivelling little weasel will put his own ego above Aus interests.
garyg1412 wrote:indo-dreaming wrote:You mean like the western doctor's at the start of the war that claimed 300 died in a IDF rocket strike on a hospital, and then it turned out to be a misfired Palestine Islamic Jihad rocket that caused a 2 ft dent in the carpark the fire ball being the cars that caught on fire.
In the end there was no evidence of any deaths because it's likely no body was in the carpark area.
Google western doctors in Gaza and you quickly get the picture "Mohammed Mustafa" from Perth, Dr Modher Albeiruti from Sydney, not that non arab doctor's cant be full of shit they are in Gaza for a reason and would probably get a bullet through the head from Hamas if they dont stick to Hamas narratives.
But hey you keep on believing that Israel just wants to kill children and women and that Hamas and Co are good honest people that just want peace and promises of killing all Jews is just a case of tourettes.
Anyway Trump still sounds keen on his Gaza plan.
Indo I think it's a bit disingenuous the way you keep referring to the opposite end of this argument spectrum as Hamas supporters, terrorist supporters, etc, etc.
I think a large part of the general population simply don't agree with what the Israeli government is doing in Gaza, and as human beings are appalled by the way it has reacted to what happened to their own people on Oct 7. It's not a case of hating Israeli people and supporting Hamas and terrorists. It's simply people from all walks of life and religions saying what they have done is wrong, and should have been handled like civilised human beings which is what the Israeli government purports themselves to be.
In case you don't know what I'm referring to here's a reminder. It's pretty confronting you must agree.
I havent used those phrases for some time or other allegations of their motivation's, not because my views have changed, but only on the request from. Stunet
But if you are going to use some ridiculous social media sources (and tag me in it looking to stir up shit) yeah i will call those sources out for what they are, same with Andy Mac's videos from a guy that got banned from USA university for true antisemitism (not an easy feat)
Jeffys poor media sources also get called out almost daily.
And yes it's a war, you riddle your country with 500 kms of tunnels, and then you start a war, expect the place to be flattened.
Israel has rightfully lost their patience they have tried everything to deal with Gaza, and 7th Oct was the last straw.
They haver tried
-Gaza included in six two state solution's all rejected
-Tried to give Gaza back to Egypt in the return of Sinai peninsula for peace deal
-Tried to do a similar deal with Gaza, gave them full control of Gaza in return for peace, even removed all Jews, six months latter they were attacked (thats when blockades ad border walls ect went up)
-Tried to just absorb rockets every year with iron dome
-Attacked back with targeted strikes
7th Oct Hamas started a major war, and a major war they got and yes the results of war are often confronting.
The question is what next?
Does the world waste billions helping rebuild only for Hamas to start another war and bring death and destruction once again,?
Whats the point of even rebuilding when you have a government in Hamas who say they will do 7th October again and again.?
You either need a new government not interested in war and more interested in building a positive future for their people, or a totally different approach like Trump has proposed.
Seems quite radical and unrealistic but hey who knows it would be a solution.
Below is a graph that shows rocket fired at Israel from Gaza until 2022.
Notice how they actually increased after 2005.
Be real dude the patience Israel has shown is insane, most countries would have conducted this war long ago and removed the threat.
Anyway im staying offline until tonight, hopefully there is a different topic going around by then
Roadkill wrote:The US thread descending into an Israeli / Hamas screaming match.
True bringing it back to the USA.
In my view they have now lost any semblance of being the leading world ethical or law abiding power.
They can never be taken seriously again when they stand up in world forums talking about global rules based order, war crimes, free trade, or genocide.
The rest of the world now sees them for what they are and have been for many years. Especially the global south who are already turning to brics.
Trump is now just speeding the process up.
USAID in reality is not charity, but a tool of soft power.
This is a dangerous time for Australia to be so closely tied with this dying decaying super power.
If you really want to help ….donate to world vision and people like that.
Rather than give a fish you’ll learn how to fish.
Rather than give food you’ll learn how to grow food…supply water….maintain tools….and set up industries….and micro industries etc etc.
The infrastructure is there and they are the ones where your money should go….not endless amounts given to the politicians by govts to distribute as a lot of countries are totally corrupt and the “aid” sounds good in theory but does little.
why do you assume USAid aren't doing similar work to World Vision?
They do infrastructure support, disaster and climate resilience, sanitation and clean water development, political negotiations, women's health, energy access, shelter building, all sorts..
and in terms of 'food' grown by Americans and sent to places in need, I'm sure a starving mother in a flood-ravaged village would love a condescending proverb about lifting herself up by her bootstraps and developing more robust agriculture, but she'd probably be equally as grateful for a week's rice for her family.
On a more positive note.
It is crazy how much issues Trump has running and yet still get's out in public for things like this and do media conference's etc, the guy is a machine especially for his age
basesix wrote:why do you assume USAid aren't doing similar work to World Vision?
They do infrastructure support, disaster and climate resilience, sanitation and clean water development, energy access, shelter building, all sorts..and in terms of 'food' grown by Americans and sent to places in need, I'm sure a starving mother in a flood-ravaged village would love a condescending proverb about lifting herself up by her bootstraps and developing more robust agriculture, but she'd probably be equally as grateful for a week's rice for her family.
Hi B6,
Yes you are correct on all those points.
Sure they do a huge amount of good and many people who work for them are passionately wishing to help humanity.
Maybe I am being too cynical.
China may now step in where the US once may have.
Again not good for Australia in Pacific region.
“ I havent used those phrases for some time or other allegations of their motivation's, not because my views have changed, but only on the request from. Stunet”
Bingo!
Nothing would be worse for @info as being barred from SN forums, the power @stu holds in his hands!!
Optimist wrote:Countries must stand on their own two feet and stop looking for US hand outs.
These are paid for by US taxpayers who themselves are battling for a home and a life.
Timor for example with all their gas revenue spend only 2% on reinvesting into agriculture when every citizen owns and is entitled to 1.5 hectares of land.
Also in Timor, it is “ not cool” to be a farmer so the young move to the cities and look for foreign food handouts and jobs in other sectors. Many leaving the country.
That mentality is the Timor govts to fix….farmers are cool in Australia etc etc.
The solutions are already in every country. Every country has to work within their means and with what they have.
The U.S. have had enough trying to fix the problems of people who won’t help themselves for whatever reason.
“The US have had enough trying to fix the problems of people who won’t help themselves for whatever reason “
What an amazingly shallow generalised statement,
@ pessimist is assuming everyone in the U S has become a mean spirited ,selfish, bigot.
Well Trump only got 49 percent of the vote, and I’m sure a lot of Trump voters don’t want to stop US aid around the world either.
And a lot of these 3rd world countries
have been taken over by Despot Dictators like
your ideal heroes , Presidents Musk and Trump
Who basically loot the country for everything they’ve got.
So maybe the world will be sending aid to the US , if you cheerleaders get your way.
southernraw wrote:southernraw wrote:Dayummm!
"Nov. 9, 2020
“If Joe Biden were President, you wouldn’t have the Vaccine for another four years, nor would the @US_FDA have ever approved it so quickly. The bureaucracy would have destroyed millions of lives”@burleigh. This is the post you might have missed.
Would be interested in your thoughts on Donald in this context considering you and i both are hyper critical of the way vaccines were fast tracked. I reckon you're pretty switched on so i'd imagine this might cause a bit more of a deeper reflection.
I feel like this is taken out of context. I have no issue with anyone going on their own accord to get a death jab, that's on them. But when the gov ties your hands, feet and tongues and gives you no choice that's when i have a problem.
Trump didn't do this.
Trump's 50,000 corpse grinding Shark Tank Casino Wavepool makes Dr No a tad nervous!
Trump : "Theme park where each guest pays a tariff to roll another Corpse into the Casino Shark Pool."
"A Genocidal Shark Tank Hazard on my Trump franchised Golf of America Gazza Golf Course!"
"It will be Fantastic...each time ya miss a putt...just roll in another corpse to take the heat off bibi!"
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14380267/Donald-Trump-Gaza-buyi...
@ Optometrist doesn’t want US taxpayers to waste money on stopping the world wide spread of Ebola and multi drug resistant
Tuberculosis, and feeding the starving.
But hey, spending trillions on going to Mars,
now there’s something worth wasting your hard earned taxes on ,
Especially for Musk and Trump.
here y'go @jef, and oldy but a goody
Optimist wrote:If you really want to help ….donate to world vision and people like that.
Rather than give a fish you’ll learn how to fish.
Rather than give food you’ll learn how to grow food…supply water….maintain tools….and set up industries….and micro industries etc etc.
The infrastructure is there and they are the ones where your money should go….not endless amounts given to the politicians by govts to distribute as a lot of countries are totally corrupt and the “aid” sounds good in theory but does little.
You clearly have no idea how this all works.
From your own recommended source - world vision Australia - if you go to their financials you can see where their income comes from. And $62m (2023 - latest financial report) come from DFAT. Of which AUSAid is a subordinate department.
USAid would be the same. The majority of money is disbursed to NGOs, to deliver programs. If you take the funding (which is a significant portion of their ‘certainty’, then you affect the NGOs as well as the communities that you’re trying to help. No one is getting fish or learning to fish.
And btw, Religious-aligned charities are some of the worst of the lot. It’s often not about aid or charity. It’s about access for proselytising. Not necessarily WVA, but I’ve seen some fucking useless church aligned groups that are competing for exposure. Government aid money actually curbs the worst tendencies of religious aligned organisations as a condition of funding.
truebluebasher wrote:Trump's 50,000 corpse grinding Shark Tank Casino Wavepool makes Dr No a tad nervous!
Trump : "Theme park where each guest pays a tariff to roll another Corpse into the Casino Shark Pool."
"A Genocidal Shark Tank Hazard on my Trump franchised Golf of America Gazza Golf Course!"
"It will be Fantastic...each time ya miss a putt...just roll in another corpse to take the heat off bibi!"https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14380267/Donald-Trump-Gaza-buyi...
Great article TBB. And if you make it all the way to the end of the article they finish with confiscation of literature.
GuySmiley wrote:“ I havent used those phrases for some time or other allegations of their motivation's, not because my views have changed, but only on the request from. Stunet”
Bingo!
Nothing would be worse for @info as being barred from SN forums, the power @stu holds in his hands!!
It's a pretty pathetic first line reply hey?? If there ever was a contender for the the old "Empty Vessels" proverb award then this bloke gets the gong!!!
basesix wrote:here y'go @jef, and oldy but a goody
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3nzoPopQ7V0
Yes we have to get our priorities right don’t we,
Just another excuse to play another song.
USAID stands for US Agency for International Development and yes it does provide some Aid programs but it is also a cover for financing more nefarious hegemonic practices. Don’t be fooled by the Aid bit.
Aid could be provided through a number of different agencies.
one of the best songs of all time @jef. a fave to sing with my kids at bedtime. I'd sit in the playroom between their bedrooms. The memory of their little sleepy munchkin voices wailing 'saiii-lers.. fighting in the dance halll...' is one of the items I'd take to a desert island.
Septic Tanks are going to Septic Tank