More swells out of the southern quadrant

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Ben Matson (thermalben)

South-east Queensland and Northern NSW Surf Forecast by Ben Matson (issued Wednesday 15th April)

Best Days: Thurs: easing S/SE swell in the morning, then a late a'noon kick in new SE groundswell (mainly south of Coffs), peaking o'night, then easing Fri (only small in SE Qld). Getting bumpy Thurs with developing N'lies but Fri will be clean under a NW breeze. Sat/Sun: steadily building S'ly swells all weekend - solid at south swell magnets south of Byron on Sun - easing Mon. Tricky winds all weekend though.

Recap: Tuesday delivered a wide range of wave heights across the coast following an overnight renewal of S’ly swell. South facing beaches south of Byron managed 4-6ft sets, but it was much smaller elsewhere and SE Qld dipped out in the size department: Gold Coast south facing beaches were 3ft early (1-2ft elsewhere) with smaller options across the Sunshine Coast. Today started out smaller, and the expected increase in new S/SE swell through the day has arrived later than forecast, and fallen short of size expectations. Most south facing beaches south from Byron only managed 4ft+ sets, and it was pretty small throughout SE Qld, barely scraping the 2ft mark at exposed beaches. Conditions were clean both mornings with light offshore winds, ahead of moderate afternoon sea breezes. 

Nice lines at Coffs this morning

This week (Apr 16 - 17)

We’re looking at easing S/SE swells on Thursday, and freshening northerly winds will create some issues across the coast.

Initially, the early morning breeze should be more N/NW or even NW but it’ll straighten up from the north through the morning and this will blow out many beaches south of Byron. Wind strengths will be lighter north of the border, but it doesn’t take much to chop up exposed locations. 

Surf size will be declining anyway. South facing beaches south of Byron may see early stray 4ft sets but we’ll see a size drop to 2-3ft by the afternoon. Elsewhere, expect smaller surf, and across SE Qld there won’t be much size away from exposed northern ends and south facing beaches, which should scrape in around the 2ft mark if we’re lucky.

Sometime mid-late afternoon, I’m expecting the regional wave buoys (in Northern NSW) to have picked up the leading edge (15+ seconds) of a new SE swell generated by an intense low that formed S/SE of New Zealand on Monday - in actual fact, a merger between the low that generated our current swell, and a new polar low. 

This system intensified rapidly with surface winds reaching 40-45kts+, but it was located in a remote, flukey part of our swell window and only displayed a favourable alignment for a short period of time. As such, confidence is not especially high for this swell, and how much of the coast it’ll properly influence. In particular, I don’t think we’ll see a lot of activity north of the border. 

At this stage I’m still expecting south facing beaches south of Byron to up 3-4ft+ sets from this source - very inconsistent at times - though this swell may not show in the Far North until overnight. As such, Friday is a better choice to see the bulk size. 

And this is a good thing too as we’ll concurrently see winds veering back to the NW, cleaning up the wide open beaches. North of the border, exposed northern ends and south facing beaches will see the biggest waves, perhaps 2ft, maybe 2-3ft if we’re lucky but with long breaks between waves. It'll be much smaller elsewhere though, and the winds won't favour the outer points anyway.

This weekend (Apr 18 - 19)

We’ve got another amplifying node of the Long Wave Trough on the way. It’ll approach Tasmania later Thursday and push across the region more comprehensively on Friday, building a series of overlapping south swells throughout the weekend. 

The latest model guidance has slightly weakened the strength of the two primary fetches - one exiting eastern Bass Strait (providing Saturday’s waves) as well as the primary low tracking underneath Tasmania (providing Sunday’s waves), so I've pulled back wave heights a touch from Monday’s estimate. However, we’ll still see plenty of swell. And, I'm certainly forecasting a lot higher than our computer model is estimating. 

For the most part Saturday looks to see easing SE swells from Friday. South facing beaches in Northern NSW may see a few leftover 2-3ft sets at dawn but it’ll be down to 1-2ft by lunchtime. Expect smaller surf north of the border. 

However, this will be overtaken by a fresh southerly swell, only favouring south facing beaches (south of Byron) but likely to rebuild back to 2-3ft during the day. It’ll be much smaller elsewhere and we won’t see a lot of size in SE Qld at all. 

Sunday’s swell will be much stronger with longer swell periods north of 15-16 seconds, and wave heights should push 4-6ft at south facing beaches south of Byron. Of course if your beach isn't open to the south it'll be a lot smaller (southern ends will be very small). And I’m still not expecting much size in SE Qld though exposed northern ends and south facing beaches - mainly the Gold Coast - may pick up some 2-3ft sets into the afternoon. 

A couple of things on Sunday’s swell too: the flukey swell source means that we’ll see a much smaller spread of the upper end of this size range, compared to south swells generated by S/SW fetches parallel to the eastern Tasmanian and Southern NSW coasts. Fronts rounding the Tasmanian corner can often be hit and miss (for NSW surf prospects) but I really like the way this one projects from polar latitudes, it’s just a shame it’s not positioned a few more degrees to the east otherwise we could probably add another two or three feet on to these size estimates.

In any case, the weekend’s winds are looking a little tricky, thanks to a weak trough on Saturday that may evolve into a closed low on Sunday (off Southern NSW). This is showing all kinds of potential conditions (good and bad) throughout the weekend so we really need a few more days to firm things up. But there is certainly a risk that (in particular) Sunday’s favourable south swell may be wind affected. A windswell is also a possibility depending on how (or even if) this low develops.

Next week (Apr 20 onwards)

Sunday’s possible closed low could generate some punchy local swell for Monday (probably just Northern NSW) but it’s not yet clear whether this will eventuate. In any case, Sunday’s solid S’ly groundswell will be steadily easing by this time. 

There’s some modest activity happening north of New Zealand in the long term model runs but I’m once again sharpening my focus towards approaching frontal systems below Tasmania next week, that’ll likely maintain a steady stream of southerly swells for the middle to latter part of next week and onwards. 

See you Friday!

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Matb Wednesday, 15 Apr 2020 at 7:00pm

What a week, was that 4 different south swells.., thanks again guys, deadset spot on with forecasts !

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bruzzz Wednesday, 15 Apr 2020 at 7:17pm

Wishing I could be south of the border

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freeride76 Wednesday, 15 Apr 2020 at 7:44pm

actually I thought the swell pulses largely eluded the forecasts.

Monday arvo's pulse was orders of magnitude bigger than anything else and largely unheralded.
Tuesday was on the slow wane but pumping in the morning.
Wednesday was supposed to be bigger but was smaller and slowly eased through the day.

It led to some super crowded and some super uncrowded sessions. Good times.

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mundies Wednesday, 15 Apr 2020 at 11:29pm

Monday arvo definitely. Good 6ft at my local point with only me and a mate out for a spell. Proper sweep though, much prefer that to holiday hordes...

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Poto74 Wednesday, 15 Apr 2020 at 9:51pm

Lots of fines around my area too. The swell stoke found many ignoring the temporary social distancing/ stay in your postcode rules. Coppers still writing heaps of tickets today.

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donweather Thursday, 16 Apr 2020 at 1:13pm

Which "region" was this Poto?

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Blowin Friday, 17 Apr 2020 at 9:55am

Remember the story told by Terry Fitzgerald about the time he first brought Poto out to Australia .? Cruising up the coastal highway and Poto keeps seeing these signs on the side of the road . Points to the next sign he sees and hits TF up ....” Terry , are there waves in this Bay ? “

The signs indicated turnoffs for roadside information bays.

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bruzzz Thursday, 16 Apr 2020 at 8:51am

GC surf report:

”Small, clean waves on offer at the swell magnets this morning with sets in the 2ft range. The Tweed coast beaches should have a few fun peaks so have a look. The points have little waves but it’s getting quite blown out now. Enjoy your day.”

Encouraging QLDers to travel south the border for a surf? Come on Swellnet!

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thermalben Thursday, 16 Apr 2020 at 8:58am

Fair point, we'll advise the reporter to refrain from referencing south of the border.

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Solitude Thursday, 16 Apr 2020 at 10:14am

Much appreciated

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bruzzz Thursday, 16 Apr 2020 at 10:31am

Thanks Ben

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kaiser Thursday, 16 Apr 2020 at 11:32am

I still reckon the reporter is consistently overcalling the swell size. I never really thought as much until quite recently (although that is through the lens of seeing danger in telling people to go to the beach).

Is the current reporter a fairly new recruit? Either way, i think he should knock a foot off his size calls, unless we're measuring face height now, surfline style...

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thermalben Thursday, 16 Apr 2020 at 11:57am

Same reporter for many years.

More important than the actual measured/estimated size is the consistency (of the report) and the actual size trend. So even if you disagree on the actual size, surf reports are also useful as an indicator as the day-to-day trend. 

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crg Thursday, 16 Apr 2020 at 12:43pm

Any signs of the leading edge of that new SE swell? Looks to be lagging a little...just spiking now south coast from what I can see.

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burleigh Friday, 17 Apr 2020 at 4:26pm

not sure i agree there Ben. 1 - 2 foot could possibly deter people going to the beach however 2 - 3 foot will bring them in, it's the perfect playful waves size for most surfers.

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Serendipity60 Thursday, 16 Apr 2020 at 12:19pm

Hi Ben,
Could you please advise the person that does the first report for the day for Sunshine Coast to stop telling us to tune in after 8am for the photo report.
9 times out of 10 it’s posted between 9 am to 11 am. Mid morning would be more accurate.

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donweather Thursday, 16 Apr 2020 at 1:14pm

I believe the first report is actually written by Ben.

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Izzyduff Thursday, 16 Apr 2020 at 12:43pm

Whinge whinge seriously maybe yous should start your own swell report!
Feel sorry for you Ben dealing with constant shit!

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Smorto Thursday, 16 Apr 2020 at 1:40pm

I don't feel sorry for him and think its fair that he should be prepared to accept feedback from paying subscribers, assuming he wants to keep them. I also reckon that the sizes seem to have been overcalled in the daily reports lately (even taking into account the variance in size across the coast with S swells)

Back when it was free I agree that they could f**k right off with their complaints but if he wants the keep the subscribers he just has to take the feedback.

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thermalben Thursday, 16 Apr 2020 at 1:52pm

Jeez, fair go mate.

I haven't shied away from feedback in the past, and am always open to suggestions, complaints and compliments.

Here I am right now!

Off hand I can't think of a single other company (let alone anyone from the surf industry) where the founder/owner is transparent as I am, and responds to queries as fast as I do.

Of course, sometimes things slip through the net - I actually have a shit-tonne of work to do, and am not simply waiting here all day, seven days a week, to respond to feedback. But I almost always reply to emails (we get a lot) and other forms of communication (phone, social media, carrier pigeon) as quickly as I can.

So as for surf report feedback, we'll take it on board and where appropriate pass it on to the reporter. 

Thanks!

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Smorto Thursday, 16 Apr 2020 at 4:24pm

Whoa settle down mate I never said you'd shied away from anything and certainly didn't suggest that you weren't transparent about anything. In fact, I think you respond very quickly to subscriber feedback, albeit sometimes a bit too defensively.

Old mate pulled out the violin and started playing it on your behalf because you got some negative feedback and all I did was point out that sympathy wasn't needed. I deal with sh**ty whinging clients every day but don't think I deserve any sympathy as they pay my bills.

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thermalben Thursday, 16 Apr 2020 at 4:55pm

Fair enough mate, just didn't see the need for you to respond in that way. As it would for anyone else doing any other kind of work.

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Smorto Thursday, 16 Apr 2020 at 5:58pm

All good man. But really all I said was that you've got to accept negative feedback from paying customers and I didn't go into anywhere near the level of detail that you covered in your defensive response. Just the last line in your response would have nailed it, assuming you even needed to respond to my comment.

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Robo Thursday, 16 Apr 2020 at 1:08pm

lol, Coffs never has a photo report. My whinge is site seems to have slowed down recently?

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donweather Thursday, 16 Apr 2020 at 1:43pm

Shame that forecasted semi stationary high in the South Pacific late this week isn't more westward, centred over NZ.

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bruzzz Thursday, 16 Apr 2020 at 1:44pm

Whinging about photo reports when we’ve got access to surfcams? Nothing beats a walk/drive down the beach though.

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thermalben Thursday, 16 Apr 2020 at 2:06pm

Leading edge of the new SE swell hit Sydney earlier today with Tp of 18.5 seconds. It's now settled at 16-17 seconds (above expectations) and we're now seeing 4ft+ sets across some locations. 

Still expecting it to reach the Mid North Coast later today, though the Crowdy buoy is offline so we'll need to watch the Coffs buoy and surfcam for signs of life.

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crg Thursday, 16 Apr 2020 at 2:54pm

Thanks mate, I thought it was just me who couldn't access the Crowdy buoy. ;-)
Hopefully a late arvo...

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freeride76 Thursday, 16 Apr 2020 at 5:30pm

nothing showing here late.

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thermalben Thursday, 16 Apr 2020 at 5:45pm

Nice lines starting to show in Coffs. 3ft, maybe the odd bigger one. Coffs buoy data is only current to 4pm, I don't think it's showing the leading edge (will probably appear in the next few hours).

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crg Thursday, 16 Apr 2020 at 7:07pm

About 3ft on dark...definitely new swell as it had dropped out to nothing this morning...weak 1-2ft.

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freeride76 Friday, 17 Apr 2020 at 7:37am

nothing here.

If you look really closely and squint for long enough you can see a faint line every so often, but its not big enough to break anywhere properly.
plus the northerly is scratching it up pretty well.

A classic modern forecasting swell.

If you didn't read about it you wouldn't even notice it there; you'd think it was just the very faint leftovers from the previous swells.

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lostdoggy Friday, 17 Apr 2020 at 7:38am

That swell not doing much this morning on the south facing magnets.

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Solitude Friday, 17 Apr 2020 at 8:56am

Ocean wasn't anyone's friend this morning. Looked most uninviting.

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freeride76 Friday, 17 Apr 2020 at 9:07am

Funny how Ben ran the morning dawn report based on the forecast notes and not reality.

2020-04-17 05:38:00: inconsistent 3-4ft SE, Light NNW, fine 5/10
Dawn report: Mixed conditions this morning with mostly small waves with peaky conditions out of the north, but there is a very inconsistent and strong new south groundswell in the mix, with 3-4ft sets pushing in on the regional south swell magnets every 5 minutes or so.

Reality was 0.5-1ft with a very weak and inconsistent SE swell topping out at 2ft every 30 minutes or so. Scarred by northerlies.
Hope no-one wasted petrol on that report.

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Craig Friday, 17 Apr 2020 at 9:45am

Hey Steve, Ben didn't do the dawn report.

But I agree, it was an overcall this morning. We're seeing occasional 3ft sets on the RMS North Wall surfcam but it's pretty slow compared to most other coasts. 

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burleigh Friday, 17 Apr 2020 at 4:17pm

again, bringing more people to the beach completely unnecessarily. But on the plus side, the Gold Coast report wasn't overhyped. Ben, is it the same guy doing the reports? and are they done by looking at cams only?

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thermalben Friday, 17 Apr 2020 at 10:45am

Coffs looking unreal this morning.



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freeride76 Friday, 17 Apr 2020 at 11:23am

nah mate.
end to end closeout gallows is not "looking unreal".

fucking hell.

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thermalben Friday, 17 Apr 2020 at 11:36am

End to end closeouts? First two frames are from the same set, showing a nice left bank. Would might a piece of that right now, to be honest. 

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Robo Friday, 17 Apr 2020 at 3:23pm

Too straight for there today, better shape yesterday, good north of town though. Got 3 hours in.

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bruzzz Friday, 17 Apr 2020 at 11:54am

Suffering at the northern side of the border

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donweather Friday, 17 Apr 2020 at 2:32pm

Gee I hope EC comes to fruition in the short to medium term over GFS

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freeride76 Friday, 17 Apr 2020 at 3:21pm

what are you seeing Don?

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donweather Friday, 17 Apr 2020 at 4:54pm

Nothing amazing Steve. Just watching the forecasts for that Tasman Low.

Patiently waiting the 5pm EC model run.

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donweather Friday, 17 Apr 2020 at 4:59pm

And EC looks to have let me down somewhat in the 00z run. Oh well, there's still tomorrows forecast!!