This episode of The Pipeline looks at Slater, Fanning and Medina's preparation for the Pipe Masters, the trouble brewing between the ASP and Fast Eddie Rothman, Tony's Hawk's hoverboard, and the Reef Haleiwa Pro.
Eddie, mate- le'hiraga. you've got the Volcom pro and the Backdoor shootout, be happy.
udoTuesday, 25 Nov 2014 at 9:48am
What now you made this vid Jed an put me in it...and what you don't wanna fight now ..well fuck you.
stunetTuesday, 25 Nov 2014 at 9:57am
From Twitter:
the-spleenTuesday, 25 Nov 2014 at 10:40am
Can I suggest Jed drops a cap of Mogadon and swipes a tab of Clearasil? That zit is gunna be a volcano tomorrow.
Rabbits68Tuesday, 25 Nov 2014 at 11:20am
Why not have more Hawaiians in the Pipe Masters? What's the problem with making an exception? I reckon the more locals in events like Pipe, Chopes would a great spectacle. Watching Indiginious locals surf there home breaks adds to the drama I reckon....
clifTuesday, 25 Nov 2014 at 11:28am
Professional surfers should have to compete to be invited to the local's events, to prove that they are better than locals even at their home break thereby earning a "professional" wildcard. Flip that card. Narrabeen boardriders local is going to be a tough competition to get into.
Rabbits68Tuesday, 25 Nov 2014 at 11:44am
Not sure where your coming from Clif. Do professional surfers compete in local events purely based on their professional status?
The Pipe Masters is an ASP event, not a locals surf comp?!? I'm coming from the angle of more locals being allowed to enter ASP events, gaining wild cards etc......sorry if Ive miss understood your take...
clifTuesday, 25 Nov 2014 at 5:10pm
I'm not very funny, alas.
stunetTuesday, 25 Nov 2014 at 11:52am
So should Torquay locals be allowed to enter Bells, Snapper locals enter Snapper, etc etc? Personally I don't want to watch 'the best locals', I want to watch the best in the world. The argument that Pipe specialists are better is a furphy; a Pipe wildcard hasn't gone beyond the quarters in about ten years.
Also, as has been said above, the Pipe specialists have the Volcom Pipe Pro and the Backdoor Shootout.
freeride76Tuesday, 25 Nov 2014 at 1:23pm
Not so sure about that one Stu.
Gavin Gilette (who?) knocked out Parko at Backdoor to eliminate Parko from the title race.
Evan Valiere smoked Owen Wright in perfect ten foot Pipe.
JOB.
No-name locals might not have made it past the quarters/semis etc etc but they've won plenty of big heats, shown plenty of heart and always rise to the occassion.
There's far more Pipe specialists I'd rather watch than the back markers of the Top 34.
Rabbits68Tuesday, 25 Nov 2014 at 12:05pm
Cheers Stu, but will agree to disagree. As I stated it was referring to Pipe & Chopes specifically. I don't really care that no Pipe wildcard hadn't made it thru for 10yrs. You will still see the best as well as local talent that adds to the tension IMO....
Rabbits68Tuesday, 25 Nov 2014 at 12:17pm
Also Stu, I thought there was no such thing as a Pipe Specialists :-)
mothartTuesday, 25 Nov 2014 at 12:39pm
It was a few years ago now, but I watched trailist go 1-2 in the pipemasters final...
It was sick watching the underdogs take down the big boys on their home tuff.
yocalTuesday, 25 Nov 2014 at 12:53pm
I reckon its a good tradition that should be kept.
yocalTuesday, 25 Nov 2014 at 12:58pm
make the last event a hard slog on the homeground of surfing. It retains the ASP one last link with surfing's roots while it tramples them everywhere else.
A few upsets is all you need to make it worthwhile viewing. Gives credibility to the mantra of 'local knowledge'.
upliftTuesday, 25 Nov 2014 at 1:18pm
They should form a ring around him and dive. That should do it.
blindboyTuesday, 25 Nov 2014 at 5:22pm
Ha ha come over here sometime uppy, there aren't enough of us to form a circle around your mighty frame so I suppose we would just have to let you take any wave you wanted and see if you could run a better percentage than our old mate on the bodyboard at getting around the first section. Or I could come to Blacks and you could form a circle around me all on your own!
upliftTuesday, 25 Nov 2014 at 5:42pm
Ha blinder, I do wish you would come here so I could show you some back and deadlift and gym stuff. As far as the hawaiian guy, he looks pretty happy, doesn't seem too worried at all, like a guy about to have pig on a spit. Or is that a spit on a pig?
memlasurfTuesday, 25 Nov 2014 at 2:39pm
The Hawaiians are completely deluded with too much testosterone. I'm with Stu on this one, it should be the same as all the others. Eddie is a dinosaur thug and crim, anywhere else he would probably be in a bikie gang selling Ice or locked up. It is only one comp and everybody else has to cop it. Otherwise pull the pin and hold it in indo' somewhere, where the best waves in the world really are. I am really over the whole Hawaiian schtick as I am sure they are over the ASP. It seems to be like the Bra boys or roids. Let them have it and surf somewhere else.
Rabbits68Tuesday, 25 Nov 2014 at 3:43pm
I'm not so sure all the Hawiians that could potentially surf the Pipe Masters are of the same make up as Rothman. He is clearly outspoken on the whole issue but shouldn't detract from genuine more humble Hawiian contenders. Or are you putting them all in the same basket Melma?!?
memlasurfWednesday, 26 Nov 2014 at 9:36am
Rabbit after reading Chas's Smith's book on Hawaii (Welcome to Hawaii now get the hell out) it throws a whole new light on how heavy the whole scene is. I remember back when Rabbit got beaten up, he pushed it however he didn't deserve to have the crap beaten out of him. They really come across as a bunch of muscle headed thugs where education is eschewed for thugery. Others on this list probably have a different take on the whole scene (e.g.. Blind Boy) but that sort of localism anywhere really annoys the hell out of me. Eddie isn't even from Hawaii.
blindboySaturday, 29 Nov 2014 at 8:12pm
I think there is a good argument that the ASP needs Hawaii more than Hawaii needs the ASP. To my mind it is all about "sealing the deal" (slight pause for vomiting). The ASP is aiming to own the whole show including as much of the surfers as they can get away with. Wildcards being successful just reduces the value of their percentage of the surfers they own. Fast Eddie probably speaks for a significant section of Hawaiian opinion. V
southeyTuesday, 25 Nov 2014 at 8:54pm
I reckon Eddie opitomizes the American side of Hawaiin culture .
He can be the mouth piece , but as bb has said and many others have thought quietly .
The ASP are trying to take hold of Surfing like a corporate giant .... But those tactics don't work so well in the islands ..... Ever since Cook , the outsiders have been overstepping their mark . Although I don't support Eddies bluntness , the message is plain enough .
Indo lacks the raw power of Hawaii . It's gladiatorial , and that's why it produces such stoic figures . Sometimes the Americanism of the culture gets confused with testosterone driven drivel , but many of the chargers are diminutive of stature but. Giants in heart and balls .......
Lopez , Ho , Healey , Diaz , Chapman , Little , Walsh , Sterling ...........
Speak softly and carry a BIG stick .....
upliftTuesday, 25 Nov 2014 at 9:37pm
brutusTuesday, 25 Nov 2014 at 11:18pm
I hope that's not your alter ego uppity.....best laugh I've had this week.....as for the Hawaii/Eddie /ASP wildcards issue...ah the reason ASP has to only have 2 wild cards is that every other ASP comp only has 2 wild cards and funny enough...at bells there is a 1 local out of 36....usually one wild card at Snapper form the locals.....and as ASP is a privately owned USA Co....you can't change the rules for Hawaii ...as there could be grounds for litigation if all of a sudden there was a perception that guys whos careers are on the line and world title.....you change the system to accommodate .....wild cards thru any kind of intimidation.....as Eddie has demonstrated.. .....
t potential for a quagmire of legal action..even with 2 wild cards....potentially Medina and Mick could get JOB and ...ist round while potentially Kelly could get ...the lowest ASP seed.....what is fair??
Rabbits68Tuesday, 25 Nov 2014 at 11:59pm
legal action........your probably dead right.........
Best to keep it all very safe & predictable.........yawn...
southeyWednesday, 26 Nov 2014 at 12:16am
Carefull Upsy ,
That chickens got skin .
Won't do your special diet well ... anyway I thought you only ate the Eggs ......
Interestingly that chicken carcass looks to have done more on a stick than yourself ... atleast in the last ten years ...
Rabbits68Wednesday, 26 Nov 2014 at 10:15am
Cheers Melma, yes agreed on heavy violent localism having no place anywhere. I suppose i would have hoped that over time that has mellowed with the younger Hawaiians coming thru. However equally the brainwashing may still be too powerful to break the pattern....
yocalWednesday, 26 Nov 2014 at 10:51am
Rabbits68 wrote:
Cheers Melma, yes agreed on heavy violent localism having no place anywhere. I suppose i would have hoped that over time that has mellowed with the younger Hawaiians coming thru. However equally the brainwashing may still be too powerful to break the pattern....
I went over there in Jan for the first time. I didn't see any of the aggression/intimidation that i'd heard about for so long. Mind you it was in-between comps so maybe the aggro flares up when every man and his dog is all over every wave.
memlasurfWednesday, 26 Nov 2014 at 12:39pm
How were the waves and did you surf anywhere near pipeline? I remember talking to an Hawaiian (white) in the Mentawais and he said no problem there generally as long as you don't surf pipe. Your probably right when it is packed with red hot surfers tempers flare. Maybe the ASP should buy the perpetrators a group ticket to another location(s) around the world for the duration of the contest.
blow-in-9999Wednesday, 26 Nov 2014 at 5:58pm
memlasurf wrote:
How were the waves and did you surf anywhere near pipeline? I remember talking to an Hawaiian (white) in the Mentawais and he said no problem there generally as long as you don't surf pipe. Your probably right when it is packed with red hot surfers tempers flare. Maybe the ASP should buy the perpetrators a group ticket to another location(s) around the world for the duration of the contest.
I lidded Pipe and various other waves including the west coast over the New Years period a few years back and the locals were super chill. I was even called into a few. Aints was going off which spread a few off the guys off pipe proper.
The west coast has significant problems with crime and homelessness so I'd be careful in a hire car.
Waves were very good.
yocalThursday, 27 Nov 2014 at 9:46am
memlasurf wrote:
How were the waves and did you surf anywhere near pipeline? I remember talking to an Hawaiian (white) in the Mentawais and he said no problem there generally as long as you don't surf pipe. Your probably right when it is packed with red hot surfers tempers flare. Maybe the ASP should buy the perpetrators a group ticket to another location(s) around the world for the duration of the contest.
Waves were good. I got 2 swells while there, only problem was the wind was from the NE most of the time so it was cross-shore at pipe, cross-offshore at sunset with a few offshore or glassy sessions at the right time. I had no trouble at pipe, but I think I got very lucky the first time i surfed it!
It was 8ft+ one morning and so went down to check it (we were staying up at sunset). I sat on the beach for ages trying to convince myself it was worth paddling out as the last few days had been windy and small. This day was windy and big. A few gems came through but the majority was getting toppled over by the cross-shore and making some nasty choppy faces and curtains through the lip. Only about 3 out and not getting much.
Anyway we decided to flag it and get some lunch. Sunset handles the NNE wind much better and it was on the pump, so lots of buzz around there. On the way back up to the house an hour or two later I noticed that sunset was looking super clean, more than it had before. The wind had backed off and swung North!
So I grabbed the stick and fanged it back to pipe on the pushy. Greeted with much cleaner conditions and nobody about (I suspect they checked it and all went home like I did). So I paddled out and Jamie O and about 7 of his mates were hooking into it. There were plenty of waves on offer so I managed to get a few after slowly working my way into the pecking order. But they were friendly and one of them apologised for dropping in on me, everyone hooting when the set came through, so no bad vibes out there. We had it like that for about an hour while the odd surfer would join the line up every 15 mins and by 2:30pm it was 15-20 strong, but quite a spread in terms of the takeoff zone so it was easily manageable.
If pipe was pumping from the morning throughout the day i'm sure my story would have been much different! The Kam Highway was packed in the morning of the swell. Then we did a week in Kauai and it was a different scenario altogether.
the_varsityWednesday, 26 Nov 2014 at 10:51am
There should be wildcards like this in all sports - imagine formula 1 - Melbourne Grand Prix - 16 wildcards to some local hoons - that would be great viewing!!
More "haoles" made the place famous - Jock, John Peck, Butch....
Now whether this history is accurate, I don't know... I can only go on what I have found.... I cannot find any history on Pipe being a sacred place, or a spot that was surfed to prove bravery in pre white man days.... Does anyone out there know more?
burgsurferWednesday, 26 Nov 2014 at 1:47pm
I completely agree with the comment above by "the_varsity".
Ok, a few nominations for Pipe.... Shane Dorian, JOB, Mason Ho, Mark Healy, Mikala Jones, Bruce Irons... Seriously, would you rather see them or 85% of the ASP Pros at Pipe???
There are absolute loads and loads of hot local surfers out there who rip but are not on the tour. Why not have a dozen of Hawaii's top pipe surfers in the contest? It sure would make for interesting viewing. Likewise, South Africa's best in J-Bay. The best 12 in Oz in our contests and same for Taihiti and US... Imagine the top 12 Brazilians in 2ft dribble against the Pros, I reckon the Pros would not know what to do.
Heh heh heh... But... Maybe the best 12 in all of Europe in France and Portugal.
I think in Fiji, perhaps just have the Chief's son??
Another factor is that they are having the contest there, locals cant surf while it is on.....
upliftWednesday, 26 Nov 2014 at 3:18pm
'Does anyone out there know more?'
Obviously I do, however I'm busy at the moment, and will elaborate later...
upliftWednesday, 26 Nov 2014 at 5:21pm
Still busy, but, in these somewhat troubled and harrowing times besieging surfees as far away as even the apple isle, luckily I can say 'wordy' said it...
grog-anWednesday, 26 Nov 2014 at 7:31pm
uplift wrote:
Still busy, but, in these somewhat troubled and harrowing times besieging surfees as far away as even the apple isle, luckily I can say 'wordy' said it...
Good old wordy
SheepdogWednesday, 26 Nov 2014 at 5:45pm
"Obviously I do"....
Yes..... Obviously.......
upliftThursday, 27 Nov 2014 at 1:02pm
It appears a group of the swillnuts attempted to take the bull by the horns so to speak, regarding the earth shattering, far reaching... as far as the apple isle, Pipe Masters situation. However, unfortunately things didn't go quite to plan.
‘Doctor, chicken souffles' coming to, quick!!!’
‘Its ok mr souffle', you are safe now... can you tell us what happened?’
‘Wewll, wewll, bwinder thaid we thshould make a thswillnut gang and sthtuff, and go to Hawaii and sthtop the thsad owld guy fwom beeing weawy, weawy mean and beeting ve wiving cwap out of awl ve sthurfees.'
'Could you please speak up souffle'... you are speaking extremely softly.'
‘No... no, itths a sthpecial tecneek... I awlwayths thpeak vewy, vewy thsoftwy... usth sthurfees do it. Anywayth bwinder ith our teachewr and he taught uth hith thspecial, Thydney thcircle of giggling/deep dive tecneek, vat he usethed to defeet Arnie when Arnie attacked him wiv hith boogie boawrd. We went vere and found ve owld, thsad guy, and bwinder thsaid, ok now do ve thcircle awouwnd him now, and giggle at him, while bwinder did a weawy, weawy deep dive. Hith thsychiatwithsts... vere’s wots of vem, thshowed it to him, and he pwactithed it on hith bwuvver. Bwinder ith a thscientitht. Thso we did ve thcircle and giggled at ve thsad weawy, weawy mean guy.’
‘What?’
‘Yeth, itths twue... you can wead bwinder’s tecneek on ve sthwillnuts. Anyway the thsad weawy, weawy mean guy got weawy mean and thsmashed the wiving cwap out of ve thcircle, and evewywone fwoated off bweeding. Bwinder juth kept diving deeper, and dithappeawered . The thsad guy wasth weawy happy, and wasth wiping hith bum wiv udesthos head... udestho ith our sthwillnut googwer... and thso I went up to ve thsad, happy guy, and I whisthpered vewy sthoftwy, vewy, vewy sthoftwy in hith eawr. I whisthpewed, you have a mouf, and I hav a weawy, weawy big thstick fowr you... and thatths ve wast fing I can wemember. Why am I awl coverwed in sthpit?’
‘Excuse me doctor, mr souffle’s wife has just brought his highchair in?’
‘His what?’
‘His highchair...???!!!???...’
‘Yeth, ith’s my vewy sthpecial high chaiwr... yousth can wead about vat on ve thswillnut cwub too... thumtimes I thwo it at wifty... when I cawl him fings, heeth’s a thstinky bum...’
Rabbits68Thursday, 27 Nov 2014 at 1:28pm
Uplift, you seem to go to great lengths & effort to post many opinions on various topics. My question to you is, what the f#^£> are you you going on about and possibly more to the point, what drugs are you currently taking??
Over to you......
upliftThursday, 27 Nov 2014 at 1:57pm
Thats the problem rabs, you think you can just take some magic drugs and be like me. Its not that easy or simple.
Rabbits68Thursday, 27 Nov 2014 at 2:02pm
Thanks Uplift, that clears the air. Your simply naturally unique......
Cheers
southeyThursday, 27 Nov 2014 at 4:49pm
Bugs ,
Updrift is not so much Unique .
More so just ... S P E C I A L .
SO special infact he has his own SPECIAL Olympics .
Where he competes on his own Deluxe , Amasing , jerk and clean , Mirror licking level ...
Of course there's never an audience at his musings . 'cause he's on another level ... 3 down .
sir ambrose bea...Thursday, 27 Nov 2014 at 6:12pm
rabbits- one needs to be sectioned to obtain those magic drugs
SheepdogFriday, 28 Nov 2014 at 11:05am
Going into bat for a coke dealing haole pretending to be an islander.... Vewy vewy surpwized........
Rabbits68Friday, 28 Nov 2014 at 12:17pm
Who are you reffering to Sheepy??
SheepdogFriday, 28 Nov 2014 at 12:23pm
No names, Rabbit.... Do some googling... It's all out there ;)
upliftFriday, 28 Nov 2014 at 12:35pm
'Going into bat for a coke dealing haole pretending to be an islander.... Vewy vewy surpwized........'
Not 'surpwized' in the slightest. Its just a compilation of mass squwarking. I've been surfing for long enough to have seen millions of them. Got a problem with him, just go see him, he aint exactly hiding is he. Or squwark on and up.
Anyway, at least your working on your angles. Its a start.
SheepdogFriday, 28 Nov 2014 at 1:00pm
Squwarking... Whether it's soufle doin' it, Bwinder, Eminem, you,, me, or a glorified north shore troglodyte, it's still squarking...
I have no "problem" with him, lift... I just have absolutely no respect.... I do find amusement in it, though, a bit like an idiotic circus act..... Or like watching trailer trash on "Cops"....... "Bad boy bad boy... Watcha gonna do... Watcha gonna do when they come for you" lol
upliftFriday, 28 Nov 2014 at 1:02pm
'Going into bat for a coke dealing haole pretending to be an islander.... Vewy vewy surpwized........'
'Who are you reffering to Sheepy??'
Cheepers... which ones were you thinking of rabs?
upliftFriday, 28 Nov 2014 at 1:16pm
Well, yeh sheepster. As far as circuses go, its hard to top that Thydney Giggling Circle/Deep dive/Big Bwuvva/Thsychiatwist and scientifically approved technique though. A better scenario to test it, than the subject of this 'news' article, could possibly never be presented. Well maybe not true, Arnie, the terminator on a boogie board getting trounced by it carries some weight. I sense a fim perhaps? The film surthing needs... THE FILM THAT WILL FINALLY, ONCE AND FOR ALL SHOW SURTHING AND SURTHEES AS THEY SHOULD BE SHOWN... THE FIRST SURTHING MOVIE TO ACHIEVE THE IMPOSSIBLE... TO SHAKE THE WORLD... DWIFT!!!
SheepdogFriday, 28 Nov 2014 at 1:23pm
Well, yeh sheepster. As far as circuses go, its hard to top that Thydney Giggling Circle/Deep dive/Big Bwuvva/Thsychiatwist and scientifically approved technique though
Oh I agree.... I had my say in that thread.... I stand by it..... Lone wolf.... Still got all my ranga teeth, lift......
But hey.... There's always someone bigger.... Someone scarier..... As my old man said to me, Don't get hit in the first 10 seconds..... Focus below the collar bones.... Arms, legs, you can see it all coming from there......
upliftFriday, 28 Nov 2014 at 1:35pm
'There's always someone bigger'
Blasphemy... fuck it... back to the gym!!!
SheepdogFriday, 28 Nov 2014 at 2:36pm
Mate... I'm only 6'1...... Aint no gym gonna make me 6'8........ Now, Evander Holyfield..... Fought above his natural division..... One tough cookie.....
upliftFriday, 28 Nov 2014 at 3:13pm
Yeh, Holyfield amasing hey... fuck he loves weights! Always highlights them. The old school hate him!
Oh oh, ooh no... oh dear... what's happening... this is getting out of control... its not my fuckin' fault...
'A fighter who shunned the old-school methods of training, Evander Holyfield instead saw the value of nutritional supplements, fitness experts, and pumping hard iron. During the peak of his career, the Real Deal built a $100,000 gym next to his home and hired a strength and conditioning trainer to add bulk and stamina to Holyfield's repertoire. An emphasis was put on fully utilizing cutting-edge techniques, including a custom-made harness machine to maximize Holyfield's power and endurance. This modern approach, coupled with the champ's obsessive work ethic, resulted in near anatomical perfection.'
'Notable Quote: "I always go to the gyms and watch heavyweights. I'm always casing the gyms because one of those guys may end up wanting to fight me. That is just my competitiveness."
'Former power lifting champion Frederic Hatfield, Ph.D., was brought in to supervise Holyfield's strength and conditioning work prior to his heavyweight world title fight against James "Buster" Douglas in 1990, according to Sportsci.org. With former bodybuilding world champion and eight-time "Mr. Olympia" Lee Haney monitoring his progress, Hatfield introduced a modified bodybuilding and strength program to increase Holyfield's body mass from 208 lbs. to close to 220 lbs.'
'Holyfield's weight training program consisted of easy, moderate and high-intensity sessions, says Sportsci.org. Utilizing a split routine, chest workouts included flat bench press, dumbbell bench press and incline dumbbell bench press. Shoulder workouts included seated dumbbell press, dumbbell front raises and lateral raises. Back workouts included bent-over rows, back extensions and lat pull-downs. Arm work included EZ curls, dumbbell curls, close grip bench press, bar-dips and triceps push-downs. Leg workouts included safety squats, keystone dead-lifts, walking lunges, glute-ham raises, twisting squats and leg curls'
sthwillnuts thircle... commencth giggwing... Prepare to DIVE... DIVE... DIVE...
blindboySaturday, 29 Nov 2014 at 8:20pm
.....yeh but you have to actually be able to surf or you're just meat muscle and bullshit.
SheepdogFriday, 28 Nov 2014 at 7:21pm
Well that's right... You go into a ring facing Buster, or Riddick, or Tyson, you'd wanna be doing" Arm work included EZ curls, dumbbell curls, close grip bench press, bar-dips and triceps push-downs" etc...
But if you are about to go for gold in the marathon at the Olympics, or 5 sets at Flushing meadows, or the leaders jacket in the tour de france, you probably wouldn't want to repeat Holyfields regime..... Surfing is no different.... A balance of strength AND flexibility AND stamina.... And of course the most important thing of all - ocean wisdom....... The strongest guy in the world can still get his neck snapped body surfing 1 foot bondi........
upliftSaturday, 29 Nov 2014 at 10:36pm
Injuries playing up boys... again?
blindboySunday, 30 Nov 2014 at 9:37am
No injuries here uppity. So when was the last time you actually went surfing.......or is that a rude question?
southeySaturday, 29 Nov 2014 at 11:47pm
Just your head injuries by the sound of it ....
William Abednego Thompson .....
Too much speed and agility . But the strongest asset , the tongue !
upliftSunday, 30 Nov 2014 at 11:06am
Yesterday blinder, then into the gym. A couple of mates over from Adelaide, to get some help with their backs.
Are you over the 'reduced to quivering jelly' stage now... even though that was extremely basic, low level, beginner stuff that was so foreign to you, and that you struggled so poorly with... or is that a much ruder question?
blindboySunday, 30 Nov 2014 at 12:36pm
I'm good uppy, put on some muscle and feel much stronger through the range of motion in my lower body. Baby stuff maybe but it makes a difference and not only on the water, I swing my old AC 30 around easily and that must run to 50kg.
Comments
Eddie, mate- le'hiraga. you've got the Volcom pro and the Backdoor shootout, be happy.
What now you made this vid Jed an put me in it...and what you don't wanna fight now ..well fuck you.
From Twitter:
Can I suggest Jed drops a cap of Mogadon and swipes a tab of Clearasil? That zit is gunna be a volcano tomorrow.
Why not have more Hawaiians in the Pipe Masters? What's the problem with making an exception? I reckon the more locals in events like Pipe, Chopes would a great spectacle. Watching Indiginious locals surf there home breaks adds to the drama I reckon....
Professional surfers should have to compete to be invited to the local's events, to prove that they are better than locals even at their home break thereby earning a "professional" wildcard. Flip that card. Narrabeen boardriders local is going to be a tough competition to get into.
Not sure where your coming from Clif. Do professional surfers compete in local events purely based on their professional status?
The Pipe Masters is an ASP event, not a locals surf comp?!? I'm coming from the angle of more locals being allowed to enter ASP events, gaining wild cards etc......sorry if Ive miss understood your take...
I'm not very funny, alas.
So should Torquay locals be allowed to enter Bells, Snapper locals enter Snapper, etc etc? Personally I don't want to watch 'the best locals', I want to watch the best in the world. The argument that Pipe specialists are better is a furphy; a Pipe wildcard hasn't gone beyond the quarters in about ten years.
Also, as has been said above, the Pipe specialists have the Volcom Pipe Pro and the Backdoor Shootout.
Not so sure about that one Stu.
Gavin Gilette (who?) knocked out Parko at Backdoor to eliminate Parko from the title race.
Evan Valiere smoked Owen Wright in perfect ten foot Pipe.
JOB.
No-name locals might not have made it past the quarters/semis etc etc but they've won plenty of big heats, shown plenty of heart and always rise to the occassion.
There's far more Pipe specialists I'd rather watch than the back markers of the Top 34.
Cheers Stu, but will agree to disagree. As I stated it was referring to Pipe & Chopes specifically. I don't really care that no Pipe wildcard hadn't made it thru for 10yrs. You will still see the best as well as local talent that adds to the tension IMO....
Also Stu, I thought there was no such thing as a Pipe Specialists :-)
It was a few years ago now, but I watched trailist go 1-2 in the pipemasters final...
It was sick watching the underdogs take down the big boys on their home tuff.
I reckon its a good tradition that should be kept.
make the last event a hard slog on the homeground of surfing. It retains the ASP one last link with surfing's roots while it tramples them everywhere else.
A few upsets is all you need to make it worthwhile viewing. Gives credibility to the mantra of 'local knowledge'.
They should form a ring around him and dive. That should do it.
Ha ha come over here sometime uppy, there aren't enough of us to form a circle around your mighty frame so I suppose we would just have to let you take any wave you wanted and see if you could run a better percentage than our old mate on the bodyboard at getting around the first section. Or I could come to Blacks and you could form a circle around me all on your own!
Ha blinder, I do wish you would come here so I could show you some back and deadlift and gym stuff. As far as the hawaiian guy, he looks pretty happy, doesn't seem too worried at all, like a guy about to have pig on a spit. Or is that a spit on a pig?
The Hawaiians are completely deluded with too much testosterone. I'm with Stu on this one, it should be the same as all the others. Eddie is a dinosaur thug and crim, anywhere else he would probably be in a bikie gang selling Ice or locked up. It is only one comp and everybody else has to cop it. Otherwise pull the pin and hold it in indo' somewhere, where the best waves in the world really are. I am really over the whole Hawaiian schtick as I am sure they are over the ASP. It seems to be like the Bra boys or roids. Let them have it and surf somewhere else.
I'm not so sure all the Hawiians that could potentially surf the Pipe Masters are of the same make up as Rothman. He is clearly outspoken on the whole issue but shouldn't detract from genuine more humble Hawiian contenders. Or are you putting them all in the same basket Melma?!?
Rabbit after reading Chas's Smith's book on Hawaii (Welcome to Hawaii now get the hell out) it throws a whole new light on how heavy the whole scene is. I remember back when Rabbit got beaten up, he pushed it however he didn't deserve to have the crap beaten out of him. They really come across as a bunch of muscle headed thugs where education is eschewed for thugery. Others on this list probably have a different take on the whole scene (e.g.. Blind Boy) but that sort of localism anywhere really annoys the hell out of me. Eddie isn't even from Hawaii.
I think there is a good argument that the ASP needs Hawaii more than Hawaii needs the ASP. To my mind it is all about "sealing the deal" (slight pause for vomiting). The ASP is aiming to own the whole show including as much of the surfers as they can get away with. Wildcards being successful just reduces the value of their percentage of the surfers they own. Fast Eddie probably speaks for a significant section of Hawaiian opinion. V
I reckon Eddie opitomizes the American side of Hawaiin culture .
He can be the mouth piece , but as bb has said and many others have thought quietly .
The ASP are trying to take hold of Surfing like a corporate giant .... But those tactics don't work so well in the islands ..... Ever since Cook , the outsiders have been overstepping their mark . Although I don't support Eddies bluntness , the message is plain enough .
Indo lacks the raw power of Hawaii . It's gladiatorial , and that's why it produces such stoic figures . Sometimes the Americanism of the culture gets confused with testosterone driven drivel , but many of the chargers are diminutive of stature but. Giants in heart and balls .......
Lopez , Ho , Healey , Diaz , Chapman , Little , Walsh , Sterling ...........
Speak softly and carry a BIG stick .....
I hope that's not your alter ego uppity.....best laugh I've had this week.....as for the Hawaii/Eddie /ASP wildcards issue...ah the reason ASP has to only have 2 wild cards is that every other ASP comp only has 2 wild cards and funny enough...at bells there is a 1 local out of 36....usually one wild card at Snapper form the locals.....and as ASP is a privately owned USA Co....you can't change the rules for Hawaii ...as there could be grounds for litigation if all of a sudden there was a perception that guys whos careers are on the line and world title.....you change the system to accommodate .....wild cards thru any kind of intimidation.....as Eddie has demonstrated.. .....
t potential for a quagmire of legal action..even with 2 wild cards....potentially Medina and Mick could get JOB and ...ist round while potentially Kelly could get ...the lowest ASP seed.....what is fair??
legal action........your probably dead right.........
Best to keep it all very safe & predictable.........yawn...
Carefull Upsy ,
That chickens got skin .
Won't do your special diet well ... anyway I thought you only ate the Eggs ......
Interestingly that chicken carcass looks to have done more on a stick than yourself ... atleast in the last ten years ...
Cheers Melma, yes agreed on heavy violent localism having no place anywhere. I suppose i would have hoped that over time that has mellowed with the younger Hawaiians coming thru. However equally the brainwashing may still be too powerful to break the pattern....
I went over there in Jan for the first time. I didn't see any of the aggression/intimidation that i'd heard about for so long. Mind you it was in-between comps so maybe the aggro flares up when every man and his dog is all over every wave.
How were the waves and did you surf anywhere near pipeline? I remember talking to an Hawaiian (white) in the Mentawais and he said no problem there generally as long as you don't surf pipe. Your probably right when it is packed with red hot surfers tempers flare. Maybe the ASP should buy the perpetrators a group ticket to another location(s) around the world for the duration of the contest.
I lidded Pipe and various other waves including the west coast over the New Years period a few years back and the locals were super chill. I was even called into a few. Aints was going off which spread a few off the guys off pipe proper.
The west coast has significant problems with crime and homelessness so I'd be careful in a hire car.
Waves were very good.
Waves were good. I got 2 swells while there, only problem was the wind was from the NE most of the time so it was cross-shore at pipe, cross-offshore at sunset with a few offshore or glassy sessions at the right time. I had no trouble at pipe, but I think I got very lucky the first time i surfed it!
It was 8ft+ one morning and so went down to check it (we were staying up at sunset). I sat on the beach for ages trying to convince myself it was worth paddling out as the last few days had been windy and small. This day was windy and big. A few gems came through but the majority was getting toppled over by the cross-shore and making some nasty choppy faces and curtains through the lip. Only about 3 out and not getting much.
Anyway we decided to flag it and get some lunch. Sunset handles the NNE wind much better and it was on the pump, so lots of buzz around there. On the way back up to the house an hour or two later I noticed that sunset was looking super clean, more than it had before. The wind had backed off and swung North!
So I grabbed the stick and fanged it back to pipe on the pushy. Greeted with much cleaner conditions and nobody about (I suspect they checked it and all went home like I did). So I paddled out and Jamie O and about 7 of his mates were hooking into it. There were plenty of waves on offer so I managed to get a few after slowly working my way into the pecking order. But they were friendly and one of them apologised for dropping in on me, everyone hooting when the set came through, so no bad vibes out there. We had it like that for about an hour while the odd surfer would join the line up every 15 mins and by 2:30pm it was 15-20 strong, but quite a spread in terms of the takeoff zone so it was easily manageable.
If pipe was pumping from the morning throughout the day i'm sure my story would have been much different! The Kam Highway was packed in the morning of the swell. Then we did a week in Kauai and it was a different scenario altogether.
There should be wildcards like this in all sports - imagine formula 1 - Melbourne Grand Prix - 16 wildcards to some local hoons - that would be great viewing!!
Ha!! Nice one the_varsity!! Good call :-)
Fast eddie... a legend in his own lunchtime....
From what I can gather, and I stand to be corrected, pipe was first ridden by a "white skinned" USA mainlander....
http://www.surfertoday.com/surf-movies/5239-surfing-hollow-days
More "haoles" made the place famous - Jock, John Peck, Butch....
Now whether this history is accurate, I don't know... I can only go on what I have found.... I cannot find any history on Pipe being a sacred place, or a spot that was surfed to prove bravery in pre white man days.... Does anyone out there know more?
I completely agree with the comment above by "the_varsity".
Ok, a few nominations for Pipe.... Shane Dorian, JOB, Mason Ho, Mark Healy, Mikala Jones, Bruce Irons... Seriously, would you rather see them or 85% of the ASP Pros at Pipe???
There are absolute loads and loads of hot local surfers out there who rip but are not on the tour. Why not have a dozen of Hawaii's top pipe surfers in the contest? It sure would make for interesting viewing. Likewise, South Africa's best in J-Bay. The best 12 in Oz in our contests and same for Taihiti and US... Imagine the top 12 Brazilians in 2ft dribble against the Pros, I reckon the Pros would not know what to do.
Heh heh heh... But... Maybe the best 12 in all of Europe in France and Portugal.
I think in Fiji, perhaps just have the Chief's son??
Another factor is that they are having the contest there, locals cant surf while it is on.....
'Does anyone out there know more?'
Obviously I do, however I'm busy at the moment, and will elaborate later...
Still busy, but, in these somewhat troubled and harrowing times besieging surfees as far away as even the apple isle, luckily I can say 'wordy' said it...
Good old wordy
"Obviously I do"....
Yes..... Obviously.......
It appears a group of the swillnuts attempted to take the bull by the horns so to speak, regarding the earth shattering, far reaching... as far as the apple isle, Pipe Masters situation. However, unfortunately things didn't go quite to plan.
‘Doctor, chicken souffles' coming to, quick!!!’
‘Its ok mr souffle', you are safe now... can you tell us what happened?’
‘Wewll, wewll, bwinder thaid we thshould make a thswillnut gang and sthtuff, and go to Hawaii and sthtop the thsad owld guy fwom beeing weawy, weawy mean and beeting ve wiving cwap out of awl ve sthurfees.'
'Could you please speak up souffle'... you are speaking extremely softly.'
‘No... no, itths a sthpecial tecneek... I awlwayths thpeak vewy, vewy thsoftwy... usth sthurfees do it. Anywayth bwinder ith our teachewr and he taught uth hith thspecial, Thydney thcircle of giggling/deep dive tecneek, vat he usethed to defeet Arnie when Arnie attacked him wiv hith boogie boawrd. We went vere and found ve owld, thsad guy, and bwinder thsaid, ok now do ve thcircle awouwnd him now, and giggle at him, while bwinder did a weawy, weawy deep dive. Hith thsychiatwithsts... vere’s wots of vem, thshowed it to him, and he pwactithed it on hith bwuvver. Bwinder ith a thscientitht. Thso we did ve thcircle and giggled at ve thsad weawy, weawy mean guy.’
‘What?’
‘Yeth, itths twue... you can wead bwinder’s tecneek on ve sthwillnuts. Anyway the thsad weawy, weawy mean guy got weawy mean and thsmashed the wiving cwap out of ve thcircle, and evewywone fwoated off bweeding. Bwinder juth kept diving deeper, and dithappeawered . The thsad guy wasth weawy happy, and wasth wiping hith bum wiv udesthos head... udestho ith our sthwillnut googwer... and thso I went up to ve thsad, happy guy, and I whisthpered vewy sthoftwy, vewy, vewy sthoftwy in hith eawr. I whisthpewed, you have a mouf, and I hav a weawy, weawy big thstick fowr you... and thatths ve wast fing I can wemember. Why am I awl coverwed in sthpit?’
‘Excuse me doctor, mr souffle’s wife has just brought his highchair in?’
‘His what?’
‘His highchair...???!!!???...’
‘Yeth, ith’s my vewy sthpecial high chaiwr... yousth can wead about vat on ve thswillnut cwub too... thumtimes I thwo it at wifty... when I cawl him fings, heeth’s a thstinky bum...’
Uplift, you seem to go to great lengths & effort to post many opinions on various topics. My question to you is, what the f#^£> are you you going on about and possibly more to the point, what drugs are you currently taking??
Over to you......
Thats the problem rabs, you think you can just take some magic drugs and be like me. Its not that easy or simple.
Thanks Uplift, that clears the air. Your simply naturally unique......
Cheers
Bugs ,
Updrift is not so much Unique .
More so just ... S P E C I A L .
SO special infact he has his own SPECIAL Olympics .
Where he competes on his own Deluxe , Amasing , jerk and clean , Mirror licking level ...
Of course there's never an audience at his musings . 'cause he's on another level ... 3 down .
rabbits- one needs to be sectioned to obtain those magic drugs
Going into bat for a coke dealing haole pretending to be an islander.... Vewy vewy surpwized........
Who are you reffering to Sheepy??
No names, Rabbit.... Do some googling... It's all out there ;)
'Going into bat for a coke dealing haole pretending to be an islander.... Vewy vewy surpwized........'
Not 'surpwized' in the slightest. Its just a compilation of mass squwarking. I've been surfing for long enough to have seen millions of them. Got a problem with him, just go see him, he aint exactly hiding is he. Or squwark on and up.
Anyway, at least your working on your angles. Its a start.
Squwarking... Whether it's soufle doin' it, Bwinder, Eminem, you,, me, or a glorified north shore troglodyte, it's still squarking...
I have no "problem" with him, lift... I just have absolutely no respect.... I do find amusement in it, though, a bit like an idiotic circus act..... Or like watching trailer trash on "Cops"....... "Bad boy bad boy... Watcha gonna do... Watcha gonna do when they come for you" lol
'Going into bat for a coke dealing haole pretending to be an islander.... Vewy vewy surpwized........'
'Who are you reffering to Sheepy??'
Cheepers... which ones were you thinking of rabs?
Well, yeh sheepster. As far as circuses go, its hard to top that Thydney Giggling Circle/Deep dive/Big Bwuvva/Thsychiatwist and scientifically approved technique though. A better scenario to test it, than the subject of this 'news' article, could possibly never be presented. Well maybe not true, Arnie, the terminator on a boogie board getting trounced by it carries some weight. I sense a fim perhaps? The film surthing needs... THE FILM THAT WILL FINALLY, ONCE AND FOR ALL SHOW SURTHING AND SURTHEES AS THEY SHOULD BE SHOWN... THE FIRST SURTHING MOVIE TO ACHIEVE THE IMPOSSIBLE... TO SHAKE THE WORLD... DWIFT!!!
Well, yeh sheepster. As far as circuses go, its hard to top that Thydney Giggling Circle/Deep dive/Big Bwuvva/Thsychiatwist and scientifically approved technique though
Oh I agree.... I had my say in that thread.... I stand by it..... Lone wolf.... Still got all my ranga teeth, lift......
But hey.... There's always someone bigger.... Someone scarier..... As my old man said to me, Don't get hit in the first 10 seconds..... Focus below the collar bones.... Arms, legs, you can see it all coming from there......
'There's always someone bigger'
Blasphemy... fuck it... back to the gym!!!
Mate... I'm only 6'1...... Aint no gym gonna make me 6'8........ Now, Evander Holyfield..... Fought above his natural division..... One tough cookie.....
Yeh, Holyfield amasing hey... fuck he loves weights! Always highlights them. The old school hate him!
Oh oh, ooh no... oh dear... what's happening... this is getting out of control... its not my fuckin' fault...
'A fighter who shunned the old-school methods of training, Evander Holyfield instead saw the value of nutritional supplements, fitness experts, and pumping hard iron. During the peak of his career, the Real Deal built a $100,000 gym next to his home and hired a strength and conditioning trainer to add bulk and stamina to Holyfield's repertoire. An emphasis was put on fully utilizing cutting-edge techniques, including a custom-made harness machine to maximize Holyfield's power and endurance. This modern approach, coupled with the champ's obsessive work ethic, resulted in near anatomical perfection.'
'Notable Quote: "I always go to the gyms and watch heavyweights. I'm always casing the gyms because one of those guys may end up wanting to fight me. That is just my competitiveness."
'Former power lifting champion Frederic Hatfield, Ph.D., was brought in to supervise Holyfield's strength and conditioning work prior to his heavyweight world title fight against James "Buster" Douglas in 1990, according to Sportsci.org. With former bodybuilding world champion and eight-time "Mr. Olympia" Lee Haney monitoring his progress, Hatfield introduced a modified bodybuilding and strength program to increase Holyfield's body mass from 208 lbs. to close to 220 lbs.'
'Holyfield's weight training program consisted of easy, moderate and high-intensity sessions, says Sportsci.org. Utilizing a split routine, chest workouts included flat bench press, dumbbell bench press and incline dumbbell bench press. Shoulder workouts included seated dumbbell press, dumbbell front raises and lateral raises. Back workouts included bent-over rows, back extensions and lat pull-downs. Arm work included EZ curls, dumbbell curls, close grip bench press, bar-dips and triceps push-downs. Leg workouts included safety squats, keystone dead-lifts, walking lunges, glute-ham raises, twisting squats and leg curls'
sthwillnuts thircle... commencth giggwing... Prepare to DIVE... DIVE... DIVE...
.....yeh but you have to actually be able to surf or you're just meat muscle and bullshit.
Well that's right... You go into a ring facing Buster, or Riddick, or Tyson, you'd wanna be doing" Arm work included EZ curls, dumbbell curls, close grip bench press, bar-dips and triceps push-downs" etc...
But if you are about to go for gold in the marathon at the Olympics, or 5 sets at Flushing meadows, or the leaders jacket in the tour de france, you probably wouldn't want to repeat Holyfields regime..... Surfing is no different.... A balance of strength AND flexibility AND stamina.... And of course the most important thing of all - ocean wisdom....... The strongest guy in the world can still get his neck snapped body surfing 1 foot bondi........
Injuries playing up boys... again?
No injuries here uppity. So when was the last time you actually went surfing.......or is that a rude question?
Just your head injuries by the sound of it ....
William Abednego Thompson .....
Too much speed and agility . But the strongest asset , the tongue !
Yesterday blinder, then into the gym. A couple of mates over from Adelaide, to get some help with their backs.
Are you over the 'reduced to quivering jelly' stage now... even though that was extremely basic, low level, beginner stuff that was so foreign to you, and that you struggled so poorly with... or is that a much ruder question?
I'm good uppy, put on some muscle and feel much stronger through the range of motion in my lower body. Baby stuff maybe but it makes a difference and not only on the water, I swing my old AC 30 around easily and that must run to 50kg.
Stoked!