Sydney lockdown June 2021
Info, what you said at 8.19 on the surface sounds entirely reasonable but contrast what you asking us to accept to the total (absolute) shutting down of our borders and mercy repatriation flights to Australian citizens in India including 900 at risk Australian children. Contrast what you ask us to accept to Morrison’s own words on why we turned our back on our own stuck in India.
Not having a crack at you so much as Morrison who is running a massive double standard here and the more light that can be shone on it the better.
GuySmiley wrote:Info, what you said at 8.19 on the surface sounds entirely reasonable but contrast what you asking us to accept to the total (absolute) shutting down of our borders and mercy repatriation flights to Australian citizens in India including 900 at risk Australian children. Contrast what you ask us to accept to Morrison’s own words on why we turned our back on our own stuck in India.
Not having a crack at you so much as Morrison who is running a massive double standard here and the more light that can be shone on it the better.
Double standard how so?...they are two very different things.
Shutting down flights from India was only for a short period and what many countries were doing at the time, it was basically a safety measure to ensure some new variant I expect they knew little about at the time didn't spread like crazy.
I believe those travellers from India then had to ensure they were Covid free before they got on the flights, which expect is always the case, but it seemed like they were being extra careful.
In a situation like that where other countries are taking a safety measure like that you are 100% best to follow the pack and do the same rather than go against the grain and then be the odd one out that screws up, Scomo had no choice any PM in his position would have done the same.
On a world scale our quarantine system is one of the strictest, i know friends in Europe can still travel quite easily to places like Nicaragua & Maldives and just do a home quarantine on returning.
My personal views is this idea of reducing fights is ridiculous, it should be the opposite we should be increasing flights if anything, if you are a high risk group like elderly or have some other condition, you should have already had your two shots or at least one, even in the vaccination thread there has been quite a few people (i expect over 50's) that have said they have had the first jab.
This idea that we can keep Covid out forever is just crazy, the most important thing is to protect the most vulnerable with vaccination, after that should we really keep this super tight shut closed borders thing going?
I can see the next stage being problematic, we are never going to get these super high vaccination rates needed like 70%+ because of how many people fear the vaccination because they feel they have been rushed through and blood clots with Asterzenica havent helped.
IMHO it's going to get much much more political, because there is going to be more and more pressure to let people travel OS easier especially as other countries start opening up and they are going to go why cant we?
But the opposition and state leaders are going to use it politically, they are never going to agree that okay vaccination rates are now 60% time to open borders, they are going to put fear in people that Covid is coming in, and say if the government opens borders they will have blood on their hands type thing and say it's irresponsible do so.
And most people dont have passports or want to travel OS so this could be the favoured view.
Depressing to think about....borders wont be open before the election thats for sure.
Info, so it’s ok for unvaccinated business people to fly in/out of the country during Covid taking up a hotel quarantine room, like the one that has caused Qld to be locked down atm yet at the same time Morrison was all over the press at the same time saying Australians attempting to flee India was justified?
Staggering hypocrisy.
I really don't understand your point?
It makes not sense that you are comparing anything to the India fight lockdown, that was something that had to happen, it was just common sense even if Labor were in they would have done the same, would be crazy not too seeing it was what many countries were doing.
Same deal with allowing a certain number of people to arrive and depart for business, off course you have to let this happen.
If your complaining about anyone entering Australia that hasn't been vaccinated then yeah i agree with you from some stage every single person over 18 that enters Australia should be vaccinated for Covid.
If its not a thing, then about now would be a good time for that to be put in place seeing vaccines are available to everyone even if limited supply, but someone going OS for business should get priority for the jab.
The only issues is you ideally need two jabs that takes time, but even if it started as a min of one jab for those departing Aust it would be a start with a set date in the future that you must have two jabs.
You uncovered a loop hole in the system GuySmiley..
At least one professional news organisation is covering it though ... https://www.betootaadvocate.com/uncategorized/government-advice-for-stra...
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Thinking the NSW situation is going to drag on for weeks/months unfortunately with the real danger to spill over into other states. It’s been previously said here and in the general press how relaxed Sydneysiders were and what we saw on the weekend highlights it’s true. A premier not wanting to enforce lockdowns of people and business literally pleading with people to do the right thing and so the lists of exposure sites continue to grow and grow. If this keeps up, if the NSW govt doesn’t get serious and or if people continue to ignore health warnings I’m guessing this much talked about gold standard is going to be proven to be the hot air it always was. Good luck Sydney and NSW you’re going to need it in spades. Lockdown is no fun and yours will (or should) be continuing ...
@ Guy
Do you think they can beat our records? (infection, deaths, lockdown days etc)
Im skeptical i think even with this new strain its going to be hard.
Maybe they need to leak some more Covid out into the community and then forget who was in charge.
Info, my comments were strictly about NSW and the simple luck they now need ... the world has moved on from last year I even think Morrison now accepts, be it somewhat reluctantly, his responsibility with Aged Care, quarantine and vaccination. NSW and therefore the country is on a knife edge and they need all the good luck they can get.
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GuySmiley wrote:country is on a knife edge.
33 new cases in NSW today 23 have been in isolation for their contagious period.
58,000 tested in the reporting period.
Couple cases in QLD.
You should get a job as a a mainstream journalist.
Indo-dreaming is correct. Country is on a 'knife edge' due to it's unhealthy obsession with case numbers. And if our case numbers aren't high enough for the fear scale, it's now exposure sites that see numbers going up and up.
For whatever our case numbers are, how many are actually unwell, as in more than just feeling a bit off? Victoria had a bit over 100 or so cases recently I think. Now only 5 active cases, didn't hear a peep about anyone actually being sick.
SF that was pretty funny had a good laugh hadn't thought of it that way, BTW I am in WA and happy to be in cell block A :-)
@I focus , yes being a A lister has its advantages lol poor old tassie got left out again.
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https://www.smh.com.au/national/nsw/fork-in-the-road-senior-ministers-co...
Looks like it is out in SW Sydney and that will be hard to control. Those who remember Vic, it got into the service workers' areas in the north and West and then we were getting hundreds of cases a day (cases are a handy way to measure how much it is spreading in a community). That was the worst of the situation.
Mark McGowan has come out and said an indefinite hard border with NSW will occur if they let it go, I am told by the Ms who heard the news.
Being in Vic, for all the flak we copped last year, our Gov did not give up after a couple of weeks and for that I'm really thankful. I can't see how this is sensible either, for areas that have let the virus rip have seen worse economic performance than areas that have controlled it into nothing. Then there's the hospital overload as the UK is now seeing. (Edit: my wonderful hospital staff are already reporting being given a lot of work over the last year, it's been busy for them already)
Anyway article is worth a read, overwhelming majority of comments reckon the idea is no good.
Also, you read it first here. Those who know me here know I'm not really a left person - but I am calling the next Federal election as an ALP landslide right now, based solely on the way that different states have managed the virus, and the contrast between Gladys/Scomo's approach and McGowan's landslide after strongly protecting his state. Albo doesn't have to say peep really.
VJ - if enough people read this article below, then you might be onto something regarding the Federal Election - https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2021/jul/09/from-the-front-to...
If it wasn't such a serious matter, you'd be in fits of laughter reading it at the sheer idiocy of ScoMo and his federal mates. Cooked it every step of the way.
Yes Dx3 I make that prediction with no joy tbh. You know how a school will invite ex-students who have done well to give the key-note speech at the end of year awards ceremony? Well, half way through the R-G-R govt, in front of our kids, the speaker basically went "Whatever you do kids, don't go into private business, it's a nightmare, get safe government work. Don't do what I did." I'll never forget it, it was like an anti-success speech.
This one was good too, a tale of two cities:
https://www.smh.com.au/national/nsw/like-we-re-children-show-of-force-in...
Any Sydneysiders: is this a true description? Anyone here live on the other side of the 'quinoa curtain' ? (great term! Whoever coined it is a wit) And people in some places have to work, as I alluded to above, that was what got Melbourne in trouble last year.
VJ - More victimhood rubbish. Claiming that everyone not living in her suburbs is a white collar worker with stable employment….lol. Here’s a tip : stop thinking your culture makes you excerpt from community standards and don’t go visiting your thirty cousins every day.
“But the differences in the two parts of the city run deeper than that. The south and west of the city, where some of my own relatives live, is also where family and community come first. This is a place where bloodlines run deep and where connectedness to culture and each other is of utmost importance.“
Yeah, only XXXX love their families…..lol. If community came first you wouldn’t need police standing outside your door. Oh wait, that’s right , you mean YOUR community as seperate from Australians. Cool, I get it now.
Nuke it from orbit- only way to be sure.
Got to agree Blowin, the old saying about wheres there is smoke there is fire...
Watching from the safe seat here in WA it does seem like many of the issues in Sydney with non compliance is coming from "immigrant neighborhoods" so perhaps rather than crying cause suddenly the police have to be wandering around your streets to tell you to stay home / inside (like everybody else is trying to do) isnt actually inherent Australian racism its common fucking sense , pulling the racism card is pissweak and another example of years of failed immigration policy resulting in multiple generations of non assimilation
Not leaving out the felt hat , troop carrier , privileged white Aussie covid deniers dickheads either (smart /educated enough to know better compared with the "poor uneducated immigrant" excuses) there is just heaps less of them.
Get it together NSW for fucks sake!
Blowin wrote:VJ - More victimhood rubbish. Claiming that everyone not living in her suburbs is a white collar worker with stable employment….lol. Here’s a tip : stop thinking your culture makes you excerpt from community standards and don’t go visiting your thirty cousins every day.
“But the differences in the two parts of the city run deeper than that. The south and west of the city, where some of my own relatives live, is also where family and community come first. This is a place where bloodlines run deep and where connectedness to culture and each other is of utmost importance.“
Yeah, only XXXX love their families…..lol. If community came first you wouldn’t need police standing outside your door. Oh wait, that’s right , you mean YOUR community as seperate from Australians. Cool, I get it now.
Nuke it from orbit- only way to be sure.
Wow..... probably getting your news from Sky as well?
Plenty of non-compliance going on in less ‘multicultural’ communities. Manly is packed, Bondi is packed, beach car parks are full, touch footy games happening in every park. Teenagers next door going to parties every night. Any cops in sight? Nup
But western Sydney absolutely is treated differently.
When the delta strain first hit Victoria I didn’t think they would be able to contain it and I was wrong so hats off to victorians. With the way things are going in Sydney it’s not looking good and is this because people in general aren’t being as vigilant as they may have been in Victoria who have experienced the longest lockdowns and new what needed to be done in order to reopen ?
Hey Supa it's like watching Vic's big wave all over again from afar. It got really bad because there wasn't isolation (doesn't matter what cultural background, virus is happy to spread if people mix a lot) and people went out after testing, after testing positive, just went out, got in their Troopy etc etc. Thankfully, decision was made to separate the regions at the time - from a regional perspective. Victorians learned, those in the city went through A LOT, us in the regions less so but it still wasn't too much fun, and now Vics know very well what each condition means. They are battle-hardened, to use a term.
So it's a bit sad to watch Sydney have to learn the same stuff that Victoria has already learned. For example, today I'm told (I'm not watching each presser) over 50 infections and 37 were out in the community while infectious. That stuff happened early on in Vic big wave, too. It took a strong crackdown - and the appearance of clear messaging, in multiple languages - to get the point across. I've watched a lot of Housos and I don't like their chances of getting Paulie to self-isolate. (Shazza for actress of the decade)
At least those up there are only at 50 cases a day, and not 700...
Fun fact: I've been told that quinoa is pronounced 'keen-wa' not 'ki-noah'. You learn something every day. And that gives you an idea on which side of the curtain my cultural level is set at.
Tastes like shell grit whichever way you say it VJ,
sypkan wrote:This is evolution in action."
an inquiring mind has to ask... just evolution in action?
or a little enhancement and evolution in action?
which is a scary thought
but totally not inconceivable...
An inquiring mind? Ah, geez, may I respectfully disagree with your imputation.
It’s not totally inconceivable, nothing is really, it’s just that there are so many more plausible things that could explain it. Like it being entirely within the realms of natural selection.
World population in 1918 around the last pandemic is estimated around 1.8 billion, and international travel was by boat. Today’s population is approaching 8 billion and international tourism was counted in the millions per year. If this virus hadn’t produced variants at a faster rate and scale than ever seen before in history, that would be news.
Oooops ....
Tim Smith is another living breathing reason why the Libs here in Vicco are considered unelectable
Now I know the PM and every Premier do it, that is, defer to the "health advice" to support their decisions and I'm not saying they are aren't playing a political game +/- in doing so but I want to see journalists ask and re-ask the say question of the NSW Premier until she comes clean .... and that question is what makes the health advice you receive to inform your decision making so dramatically out of step with every other state and territory in Australia?
In some ways its a rhetorical question because we already know the answer. Ideological blindness or ignorance saw NSW mockdown and then partially lockdown weeks too late. Even now lots of slippage of the lockdown rules seems to be tolerated if journalist questions to the Premier are to be accepted.
I think the the question is important given Covid has now leaked across the country (Qld, Vic and SA) from NSW locking down Vic and SA.
Guy, in Vic. the emergency powers give the CHO the authority so his advice is mandatory and the Govt. is bound to follow it. In NSW there is no such authority so the CMO/Chant's advice is just that, advice, the authority resides with the Health Minister and Govt.. So when Dan says he is following advice, he is, because the law says he must. When Gladys says she's following the advice, she is lying. She is taking it into account.
@adam, thanks for that explanation, that’s a significant difference.
@info, so there was nothing to learn from Vic or overseas with Delta? As I said ideological blindness and/or ignorance was at play.
Edit to my earlier comment: good luck Sydneysiders lockdown is shithouse and unfortunately I think it will many many more weeks before it can safely end.
Unless you are privy to what happens behind closed doors it's all assumptions on if Gladys is following health advice given.
NSW weakness in this outbreak has been because of past success in using contact tracers to control outbreaks instead of hard lockdowns.
But obviously delta is a different beast, i agree they should have been more cautious with delta though, it wasn't any secret it spread easier and faster.
Victoria is at the other end of the scale where they have fucked up so many times in the past year they cant afford to fuck up again so somebody only has to mention Covid and the whole state is lockdown.
BTW. we had a family bring it down here with 30 different exposure sites and no new cases (but picked up in sewage) pretty crazy though, you would have expected at least a few cases.
indo-dreaming wrote:Unless you are privy to what happens behind closed doors it's all assumptions on if Gladys is following health advice given.
NSW weakness in this outbreak has been because of past success in using contact tracers to control outbreaks instead of hard lockdowns.
But obviously delta is a different beast, i agree they should have been more cautious with delta though, it wasn't any secret it spread easier and faster.
Victoria is at the other end of the scale where they have fucked up so many times in the past year they cant afford to fuck up again so somebody only has to mention Covid and the whole state is lockdown.
BTW. we had a family bring it down here with 30 different exposure sites and no new cases (but picked up in sewage) pretty crazy though, you would have expected at least a few cases.
Hate to be picky ID but all state government decisions are political with a bit of health advice thrown in that's so they all can say their actions are backed by health advice but that's only the bit that they choose to suit theirs view.
NSW's were warned repeatedly that the infection rate of Delta would not be contained using their methods that that they had to change, modelling clearly showed that (modelling BTW has been very accurate in Australia at least).
Gladys owns this one.
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Geez, Indo, give it up. Gladys has mucked up Royal here. She never “follows the health advice”, her decisions are “based on health advice”. Do you see the difference, or do you need assistance?
You keep going back to Victoria last year, but things have moved on. NSW should have learned from Vic last year but they didn’t. No, Gladys had her own ideas and this ridiculous idea that her “test and trace” team were gold standard. They were overwhelmed in 5 days. They have exactly repeated the mistakes of Victoria last year.
Making a mistake the first time is unfortunate. Seeing the other guy make the mistake and then making exactly the same mistake is the work of an idiot.
Your defence of them is purely political allegiance. Excusable, but let’s face it, just a little bit pathetic.
"An inquiring mind? Ah, geez, may I respectfully disagree with your imputation.
It’s not totally inconceivable, nothing is really, it’s just that there are so many more plausible things that could explain it. Like it being entirely within the realms of natural selection.
World population in 1918 around the last pandemic is estimated around 1.8 billion, and international travel was by boat. Today’s population is approaching 8 billion and international tourism was counted in the millions per year. If this virus hadn’t produced variants at a faster rate and scale than ever seen before in history, that would be news."
...so still not ok to ask questions?
pressing questions... that need eliminating or highlighting...
still too early?
fair enough, it's only been 18 months...
Im sure that pangolin'll pop up somewhere...
sometime...
eventually...
With Qld shutting its border to NSW again only this time also not permitting Queenslanders into NSW for non essential purposes ie. recreation or exercise, the northern rivers may get some reasonably uncrowded surf for a month or more . Definitely going to be some unhappy campers .
Supafreak wrote:With Qld shutting its border to NSW again only this time also not permitting Queenslanders into NSW for non essential purposes ie. recreation or exercise, the northern rivers may get some reasonably uncrowded surf for a month or more . Definitely going to be some unhappy campers .
Northern rivers is now crowded without Queenslanders coming down.
There’s a few quiet options if you put in some effort but all the usual and go to spots are crowded out with ‘new locals’ now.
Clarence region might get a reprieve though.
@lostdoggy , I’ve got a few spots within an hour that I surf and usually just with whoever I go with but little bit sharky , I’m sure from Fingal to Angourie will notice a drop in numbers .
I reckon Sydney/Melb not been able to get here will make more of a difference personally.
it'll be interesting to see how it plays out for sure.
Snow has been epic and I reckon at about 25% capacity max during the week. Only people there are regional NSW and Canberra residents. Perfect time to take the kids.
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Expect you to have a lot to say about the FW anti lockdown protests in Sydney and Melbourne today.
GuySmiley wrote:Paging info
Paging info ......Expect you to have a lot to say about the FW anti lockdown protests in Sydney and Melbourne today.
We can probably both agree on this one Guy, bunch of complete idiots.
fuckwits have probably put back any hope of a trip to Indonesia back by 2 years
This photo is on the NSW Police FB page and has gone viral (pardon the pun):
"UPDATE: Good news! Troop horse Tobruk was not injured and is recovering back at the stables after a hard day’s work.
If you have any information to assist in identifying the man depicted, please contact police.
Strike Force Seasoned, comprised of at least 22 detectives, has been established to identify and prosecute all those who broke the law today."
Meanwhile, apparently the Olympic games have started...
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-07-24/anti-covid-lockdown-protest-in-sy...
Just announced... two weeks from tonight.