Interesting stuff
VJ, do you think Hawke and Keating sold out the left with the their unleashing of neoliberalism, albeit under the guise of economic rationalism?
Hard to see how Australia could have gone any other direction with our biggest ally (US), and trading partner (UK) both liberalising their economies, and I think we were fortunate to have those two in control when that madness swept the Western world.
You don't think Australia's working class and middle classes benefitted from the 80s reforms?
I'd say before the great waves of inequality hit post-2000, then it would be hard to argue anyone was worse off.
An honest presentation of the sh*tfuc*ery of the political masters of spin and spittle. The cashless welfare card.
Hindsight is a wonderful thing...
"...If Australia hadn’t embarked down this unnecessary and politically inappropriate economic shitpipe courtesy of Hawke / Keating then we’d be sitting on a pile of riches from our mining boom which would make Norway look like it’s on the breadline."
Whilst I generally agree with this - actually, I wholeheartedly agree with this!!
However, no one predicted the coming boom. No one at all, not even close. And it is a shining example of how useless economists and their 'evidence based' strategies/policies are...
Prior to this, back in the 80's, when times weren't so good, culminating in the 90's recession, this seemed appropriate for the times...
"...You don't think Australia's working class and middle classes benefitted from the 80s reforms?
I'd say before the great waves of inequality hit post-2000, then it would be hard to argue anyone was worse off."
The problem is, the plan wasn't adjusted. It gained it's own momentun, and it's own assumed inevitability. When times changed, things got better, the plan should have changed. The ideology should have adjusted to the new reality.
But instead, this happened...
"...What's been most amazing is that it has continued for so long, eg ACTU championing more immigration when the wage prices dilute as more workers compete for amount of jobs (jobs themselves become more part-time as key industries are lost). Also makes it easier for both small and big business to get cheap wages. Why the shop floor didn't kick their arses out I will never understand. How did that Button Plan work out for auto workers?"
...resulting in a total lack of faith in unions, and the left of politics generally, as it focussed on other 'issues'.
the left sold out big time. they went too much 'all in' with the new thinking. Pandering to a new somewhere between white collar and blue collar/university class, burning their traditional base in the process
Unfortunately for us, when "times changed" the left didn't have their hands on the levers of control.
And then when they finally did....well, you saw how popular a mining tax was with the public and industry.
"Unfortunately for us, when "times changed" the left didn't have their hands on the levers of control."
Yep. but a good opposition also has a role to fulfill. many of the changes went through pretty much unchallenged. their was a certain acceptance of a new inevitability...
"And then when they finally did....well, you saw how popular a mining tax was with the public and industry."
Yep again, surely one of the biggest fuck ups of australia's political history. how a shitty advertising campaign could have been so successful I will never understand. especially considering many miners (the workers) actually supported it...
I think at some point yourself and Blowin will have to accept that for many years people wanted the neoliberal gift set, they bought from the catalogue, they shifted classes, racked up debts, and kept on voting in the people that enabled their mobility.
Shifting the blame to "the opposition party of 1996" or whatever is a misread of history.
"VJ, do you think Hawke and Keating sold out the left with the their unleashing of neoliberalism, albeit under the guise of economic rationalism?"
As a kid I was in awe of Hawkey (the beer, the America's Cup celebrations, watching dad get into it) & as a young adult able to vote I was very much in favour of Keating & that compassionate side of the ALP. In reflection, the reforms they presided over screwed the Aussie working class. The argument beforehand was that Australia wasn't competitive, and so needed this, so needed the reforms so it could be competitive on the world stage. I wonder if that was true?
We got so competitive we completely lost our car industry. Meanwhile, every other country with a car industry subsidises theirs in various ways. Could it be possible we totally fell for the ruse?
Next to come was the other side and selling off Commonwealth Bank, Telecom, the nation's Gold, etc was on the cards. As consumers, the inefficiencies that were removed once these were privatised now see us with lower... oh wait, nevermind
Anyway, we replaced actual production with FIRE and luckily fell on our feet with a once-in-100 years mining boom that we wisely.... oh wait, nevermind
I'm in two minds. If you look at the nation, the policy has had disastrous results for the sovereign wealth and what were the working communities. If you look at us as individual people, there are some very cool things we can do that we weren't able to do in the past - some very cool opportunities.
[Breaking News] Court busted Boris & tore up his Sick note...Computer said No!
UK Tory leader was to do something about UK or Queen's son or something?
PM shut down the Nation illegally ...Boris is declared a traitor and or saboteur?
Criminal PM has no choice but to stand down, lose head then be deported.
Team Boris: 'How very dare they, trespass on my executive power!'
Reckon the UK PM's dummy spit will dwarf Brexit!)
'Roundabout now! Scomo powers up Boris with a Knighthood.
https://www.smh.com.au/world/europe/uk-pm-boris-johnson-shut-down-parlia...
Tory Top Hat can't get once round the Empire Games board without going back to the start.
Rules state that this or next week's PM has gotta get past Go to collect any Brexit!
So Libs also illegally shut down Oz Parliament in 2018...Striking Lib's leadership spill is invalid.
Ruling revokes Striker's Scomo's claim as PM ...Turnbull's smoking gun!
(Oz can also sue UK as a tragic brexit victim!)
PM Scomo & Dutto are traitors who plotted to illegally overthrow our nation.
All hail PM Turnbull to be reinstated, anytime yesterday is fine by Oz!
How good is the Westminster System! Toot! Toot! There is a God! Amen!
PS: Libs must pay back lost $millions in 3weeks leave + flights $100k each easy!
That's what I like about you Blowin, you're the Greta Thunberg of Swellnet.
Ha...I can hear you chuckling from 500kms away, Andy.
Haha, Blowin Thunberg....I like it. (although it does kinda sound like a certain type of industry name)
Good read btw.
The answer my friend AIN'T blowin' in the wind...
Jordan Shanks is getting sued by Clive Palmer to the tune of half a million bucks, and this is his response, which Michael West has called the "greatest response to a lawyer's threat ever" and which has racked up half a million views on YouTube in two days.
You may not dig his delivery - not a fan myself - but the research is phenomenal, as is the unveiling of Palmer's artifice as a jovial friend of Australia.
Worth watching right through.
While Thunberg was at the Climate Summit (Trump stopped in for a moment), the President was speaking at a religious-freedom event.
The man who began his Presidency by imposing a ban on Muslim travellers, and who went on to reduce the number of refugees the country accepts to an all-time low, delivered an address about American commitment to helping people persecuted for their religious beliefs, wherever it happens.
Rise of the youth. I'll vote for that.
I guess 'ol baby Trump and his religious right squad can just 'pray' for things to get better.....better get on it Donny.
"It’s bad enough Trump sought help from a foreign power in the last election.
It’s worse still that he obstructed the investigation into his misconduct.
Now he‘s admitted using his office to coerce another country to interfere in 2020."
Impeachment anyone?
Media corruption and propoganda? gasp, never surely....
Adam Schiff doesn't think its 'fiction'. From a tweet,
"We have been informed by the whistleblower’s counsel that their client would like to speak to our committee and has requested guidance from the Acting DNI as to how to do so.
We‘re in touch with counsel and look forward to the whistleblower’s testimony as soon as this week."
I thought impeachment is the last thing the Dems would try and pursue, but never say never I guess.
Natasha is acquainting love child Greta with some necessary Democratic Docs.
https://scontent-lht6-1.cdninstagram.com/v/t51.2885-15/e35/64382157_3270...
https://goat.com.au/federal-election/the-australian-democrats-are-back-s...
https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/624/cpsprodpb/ED37/production/_103972706_g...
Put the boot in girlz...Whiteshoestomp'n'time...Oi! Oi! Oi! ..
That Jordan Shanks video cheered me up :)
Great info and fucking hilarious.
"...Australian housing doesn’t have anything to do with economics. It long since ceased being a “market” at all.
Rather, it is a political complex – a quango – that represents the single largest page in the socio-economic contract between the government, the Australian financial system and an ageing baby-boomer population."
gold!!!
"In 2008, when the world woke up and the mutated vision was revealed in all its horrible form, the government deployed every available mechanism to keep the thing alive. Unheard of guarantees across the financial system, moral hazards like leaves in the wind, wholesale immigration, massive direct subsidies, huge general stimulus.
This might be forgiveable if it was at least honest and openly declared. But it wasn’t and isn’t. Instead, those that had sat outside the system, hoping for a house or sagely planning to swoop when the bubble burst, are insulted with blandishments about how robust the system is, how they missed out on the “market”. Even though this so called “market” long since ceased to bear any relation to laws of supply and demand."
tragic!!!
"I think at some point yourself and Blowin will have to accept that for many years people wanted the neoliberal gift set, they bought from the catalogue, they shifted classes, racked up debts, and kept on voting in the people that enabled their mobility."
the problem is too much acceptance
acceptance of the dogma
acceptance of the deciet
the outrageous book cooking
the assumed inevitability of it all
dismissal of any dissenting voices...
did people really want it? did they really vote for it? or have they been decieved at every decision, at every vote, at every crossroad...
"This might be forgiveable if it was at least honest and openly declared. But it wasn’t and isn’t."
and the real tragedy is poor old greta, ...got caught up in it all..
trumped by the 'economics'
C'mon...you can't make appeals to democracy, to the wisdom of the crowd for, say, Brexit or Trump, but then say the crowd has been duped here in Australia.
.... and I'm not referring to blowin
I said it in another thread, neo-liberalism has only recently been accepted as a reality, or a concept, by the likes of the IMF etc., a failed concept that is...
the average joe has no idea what it is, probably never even heard the term. it's never ever mentioned in the MSM, barely ever been mentioned at the abc...
but it's a thing alright. you wouldn't know it though listening to labor politicians. it's probably never ever passed one set of their lips publically
...yet they're 'all in' on it...
average joe still doesn't know what it is, but he sure knows it sucks...
now knows...
... they’ve just been denied an alternative.
Exactly!
Jeez man, of course there was an alternative. We just got presented with the largest promise of wealth redistribution in a generation and it got rejected for the status quo.
The people told us what they wanted. Why do you respect the wisdom of US and UK voters, but not Australians?
Most of that is conjecture. Their policies would've benefitted the lower classes, that's beyond debate.
If you think putting the kibosh on franking credits, abolishing negative gearing, and halving the capital gains tax is margin fiddling then good luck finding any party that'll deliver what you want.
"I do respect the wisdom of Aussie voters and like myself they rejected the “ biggest promise of wealth distribution in a generation “ for the sophistic margin fiddling it was.
For every farcical policy the ALP presented they put forward another that eradicated any and all gains and then basically ceded to the neoliberalist status quo."
Exactly again!
We're in no mans land now. A time of reckoning
people aren't voting 'for' anything
they are voting against stuff
they outright rejected labor and their tinkering at the margins status quo
very very very few people actually voted 'for' the liberals and scomo
I didn't say it was fiddling at the margins.
Like most commenters they were the most daring changes in a generation and would've provided sigificant dividends, however they were voted down because, despite what some outlets might peddle, Australians still want the sweet neoliberal lollipop.
Finally got around to watching the Clive Palmer vid that Stu posted earlier at 10 45.
Talk about gold!
25 mins long and worth every second.
I think I'm going to buy a gold t-shirt as a token of respect.
Clive toad Palmer is deffo a fuckity mcfuck face i.e a Fatty Mcfuckhead
*in my opinion
This is an edited account and not a verbatim transcription which means it’s possible the White House omitted some passages.
It all looks a bit manufactured to me.
It seems like he wasn’t just requesting Zelensky investigate Biden. It looks like he was unsubtly trying to strong-arm him into doing it by leveraging US military assistance.
He is the sitting President, not a wannabe candidate for the job, so the 'ethical' buck stops with Donny. i.e this is not about Biden (who I really couldn't give a flying fuck about), it is about a sitting President using his position to further his own political agenda i.e re-election at any cost.
"Please learn a lesson about the partiality of the media from this"
Nope, he deserves every bit of media collusion that comes his way.....besides he'll be right, he's got Fox News (and God) on his side.
"The White House says a "memorandum of a telephone conversation" is not a verbatim transcript" - from your own SMH link above.
To me that says it all.
Good posts gents.
Regarding the “transcript” - that’s not good enough asit is more likely than not it will be sanitized version scripted to fit Trump’s narrative.
Congress must see the full and unredacted whistle-blower complaint (which, according to reporting, alleges several troubling phone calls, not just the July 25 call with Ukraine).
"There is NOTHING to even remotely hint that Trump has done anything wrong, yet you have convicted him just like the rest because......well fucking why exactly ?
Because you don’t like him and that should be enough."
You're right, I don't like him and what he represents, and as this is a forum of opinions, that IS enough.
Equally ridiculous as the Trump apologists who think the man is a shining light of altruism and superior leadership.
I'm not calling for his expulsion, the Dems are.
And as history shows, the only way a sitting President can be removed is by being voted out, or resign. Impeachment has never removed a President.
He'll be right, for this term.
I think politics aside its a line in the sand for Trumps actions in regard to the Constitution lets face it Trump has no regard for the rules or traditions.
This is only an inquiry not yet an impeachment but it will allow the house to carry out investigations which will be interesting to see what turns up plenty of smoke coming from the Trump administration.
I thought Trumps reaction strangely subdued.
Have it cunts