Interesting stuff
He coulda bought a bar for much less
Welcome back Patrick. Funny.
My only gripe with the man is that, having paid too much on a vanity project, he proceeds to sack half the staff coz he has over extended. Oh and that paedo comment and space x and Tesla....
It must be really her she’s got the blue tick . Donny will try and say it’s fake news . https://twitter.com/bethanyincbr/status/1592403839738863617?s=46&t=g4o3YElwgjTHHqzRXmK7YQ
flollo wrote:GuySmiley wrote:I find the notion that free speech is under attack very odd. Today, more so than any other time, there are seemingly 100s of avenues to express yourself. Of course, in politics it’s a weaponised notion as are terms like cancel culture and woke.
It seems that free speech is always run up the flagpole in the context of open and fair/reasonable discussion; the contest of ideas. Yet, those who often claim free speech is under threat can come to that debate with their own facts. Trump and his supporters for example.
Without shared facts where is the open or fair or reasonable debate?
So, what is the real problem? Threats to free speech or a fractious world where real facts /truth are disputed?
Good comment. I agree, the avenue to express oneself has never been greater. But that doesn't mean that cancel culture, woke mentality, and virtue signaling are not real. All these can happen simultaneously. I believe many are happy to speculate online but when they run the risk of being canceled they resort to free speech as their defense mechanism. The true problem is - many want to say whatever they want but don't like being canceled as it hurts their interests. But sadly for them, this is now part of the game whether we like it or not.
In regard to twitter there is all kinds of clear free speech issues.
You can't tell me it's reasonable to ban people either short term or long term for saying things like
A man cant get pregnant?
There is no debate around this it's medically and scientifically not possible, just because a biological women then decides they want to be a man it doesn't mean they actually are a man the real world reality is men dont have the biology to conceive or grow or give birth to a baby.
https://www.foxnews.com/world/spanish-politician-suspended-by-twitter-af...
Or being banned for critiquing the founder of BLM for buying mansions with BLM money in a white neighbour hood, and there wasn't even a race aspect to it as the reporter was black himself.
https://nypost.com/2021/04/13/twitter-locks-out-jason-whitlock-over-post...
I dont care much for Trump, but the tweets he was kicked of twitter for supposably inciting violence are pretty questionable https://blog.twitter.com/en_us/topics/company/2020/suspension
Id be really surprised if they looked over BLM account tweets around the time of riots with the same microscope you wouldn't find plenty of reasons to ban accounts for inciting violence and billions in destruction, id expect you wouldn't have to join so may imaginary dots either.
And then one of the most common reasons for banning short or long term for all kinds of well known personalities but generally conservatives and expect many lesser known people is misgendering.
You literally can get banned for not using the pronoun someone prefers or for addressing a trans person by their biological sex.
It's just ridiculous, if you think you are some other gender fine that's your business, but it shouldn't mean others should be forced to join your idea of reality that should be up to the individual, especially when using made up pronouns.
Anyway these are just a few examples im sure there is many more, well i know there is many more cause Joe Rogan is always banging on about different cases.
Pity it wasn’t “ rock solid “ when introduced, or was that part of the plan ? Regardless , he’s done some damage to his reputation and trust will be low for awhile.
Punting relaunch of Blue Verified to November 29th to make sure that it is rock solid
— Elon Musk (@elonmusk) November 15, 2022
What a kook.
As reported on The Verge, Oct 31st:
"Now that he owns Twitter, Elon Musk has given employees their first ultimatum: Meet his deadline to introduce paid verification on Twitter or pack up and leave."
(the deadline was Nov 7th, i.e. one week)
https://www.theverge.com/2022/10/30/23431931/twitter-paid-verification-e...
And that right there was a clear indication that Elon doesn't posess the skills to be CEO of one of the biggest social media platforms in the world.
Everything that's happened since then has been of little surprise to me.
Terrible person to work for. But he always did these kinds of things, I've been following him for a long time and this was all expected. His whole mindset of sleeping in the Tesla factory, working nonstop 7 days a week...So many celebrated it and now it's some kind of a shock. Nonsense.
Musk does seem to demand a lot from his employees.
He likes to threaten and bully staff like a class A asshole. More and more people are starting to realise what a wanker he is.
I just don't understand the logic.
An iron clad guarantee that Blue Tick will be "Rock Solid" from Nov 29th?
Not sure what he achieves by making these statements.
He's got a lot bigger issues to deal with than that (Blue Tick revenue is modeled to be a small fraction of Twitter's ad revenue, so he needs to spend time/money building a way to keep advertisers happy... and I'm still not convinced that handing our blue ticks to anyone who pays for it is the right strategy).
did someone say tiktok?
even the dems are onto it... well, you know, even the dems are having a dig after you know who raised alarm bells...
https://www.vox.com/recode/23453786/tiktok-bytedance-cfius-data-trump-ban
Cant say I'm terribly surprised.
Twitter data suggests most of the people buying Twitter Blue are promoting three things: right wing politics, cryptocurrency, and porn. https://t.co/yiXnqX1gw8
— Adam Smith (@adamndsmith) November 16, 2022
Well this is going to throw credin into a spin https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-11-17/matthew-guy-mitch-catlin-referred...
udo wrote:https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-11-17/andrew-forrest-rebuilding-ukraine...
And then there’s the trumpette ……… https://www.crikey.com.au/2022/11/17/gina-rinehart-trumpettes-donald-trump/
indo-dreaming wrote:Do you really think Elon wouldn't have known all the figures and financial risk and challenges ahead???
Do you really think the richest man in the world would not have a team of people crunching figures and looking at all kinds of different scenarios???
He has moved fast in important areas like cutting staff and id expect getting more productivity from those remaining and also implementing new ideas quickly, but it's way way way to early to judge if his vision will be successful both from a users view and a business income view, just because he launches some grey tick and then retracts it means little in the scheme of things, give him a few months maybe even six months or more then let's start judging things.
You can also bet he has surrounded himself with the very best people in all the fields needed and you would expect he has all kinds of plans to improve things and produce income.
Based on his past success its more likely he will turn it into a money making business in a year or two and create a much more user friendly platform in the next few months where people will be able to share and debate ideas in a much more free way.
Yet to be confirmed, but apparently 75% of the remaining 3,700-odd Twitter employees have not opted to stay after the “hardcore” email.
However, confirmed is that Twitter has closed employee access to all of its offices.
Plenty of gigs for competent tech staff. Why hang around under the given circumstances?
Some of the 'less' competent staff may have problems getting a new gig.
Haha. True that.
Some of Elon tweets lately show he’s treating the whole thing as a bit of a joke.
— Elon Musk (@elonmusk) November 18, 2022.
.How do you make a small fortune in social media?
— Elon Musk (@elonmusk) November 18, 2022
Start out with a large one.
The best people are staying, so I’m not super worried
— Elon Musk (@elonmusk) November 18, 2022
The twitter train wreck. Musk really has made himself look like a fucking clown.
To watch this play out is fascinating stuff. Good fun.
Are you not entertained?
And … we just hit another all-time high in Twitter usage lol
— Elon Musk (@elonmusk) November 18, 2022
Americans are superb showmen.
“ Space karen “ …….that’s pretty funny https://twitter.com/robertarnol/status/1593445937585696768?s=46&t=fr1laEaE4l524iGNfZmJGQ
thermalben wrote:indo-dreaming wrote:Do you really think Elon wouldn't have known all the figures and financial risk and challenges ahead???
Do you really think the richest man in the world would not have a team of people crunching figures and looking at all kinds of different scenarios???
He has moved fast in important areas like cutting staff and id expect getting more productivity from those remaining and also implementing new ideas quickly, but it's way way way to early to judge if his vision will be successful both from a users view and a business income view, just because he launches some grey tick and then retracts it means little in the scheme of things, give him a few months maybe even six months or more then let's start judging things.
You can also bet he has surrounded himself with the very best people in all the fields needed and you would expect he has all kinds of plans to improve things and produce income.
Based on his past success its more likely he will turn it into a money making business in a year or two and create a much more user friendly platform in the next few months where people will be able to share and debate ideas in a much more free way.
Yet to be confirmed, but apparently 75% of the remaining 3,700-odd Twitter employees have not opted to stay after the “hardcore” email.
However, confirmed is that Twitter has closed employee access to all of its offices.
He is literally draining the swamp of woke self self entitled lazy millennials, to replace them with people who want to work, you can imagine how lazy they were before (even videos showing it) imagine how lazy they are now when they don't believe in Musk vision or like their boss, probably causing issues rather than fixing them.
I get that retraining staff is never a great scenario, but one new worker will probably do ten times the amount of work of the staff he lets go, you would expect these are low skilled jobs and not coders etc
I do worry he is pushing things a little hard, but i also have faith in him and i love his balls to the wall open to all approach and his sense of humour.
I get that it's not something everyone appreciates though, wish we could fast forward six months and see what happens.
indo-dreaming wrote:He is literally draining the swamp of woke self self entitled lazy millennials, to replace them with people who want to work, you can imagine how lazy they were before (even videos showing it) imagine how lazy they are now when they don't believe in Musk vision or like their boss, probably causing issues rather than fixing them.
I get that retraining staff is never a great scenario, but one new worker will probably do ten times the amount of work of the staff he lets go, you would expect these are low skilled jobs and not coders etc
I do worry he is pushing things a little hard, but i also have faith in him and i love his balls to the wall open to all approach and his sense of humour.
I get that it's not something everyone appreciates though, wish we could fast forward six months and see what happens.
Impressed that you managed to weave 'draining the swamp' and 'woke millennials' into the same sentence.
Anyway, irrespective of that (and sure, Twitter was likely way over-resourced, though I'm unsure which 'low skilled jobs' you're referring to), why did Elon buy the business then? Not only did he pay way too much, the evidence is mounting that there are major structural problems that were always going to be a nightmare to remediate.
(BTW, you're not allowed to respond with "MAGA").
"He is literally draining the swamp of woke self self entitled lazy millennials..."
Ah, Donny-dreaming
This is a great (though lengthy) list of many of the possibilities that could bring Twitter to a grinding halt under the current circumstances.
FWIW, apart from the political ones, Swellnet has experienced many of the rest (albeit as a miniscule version) at some point in the last twenty years.
I've seen a lot of people asking "why does everyone think Twitter is doomed?"
— Mosquito Capital (@MosquitoCapital) November 18, 2022
As an SRE and sysadmin with 10+ years of industry experience, I wanted to write up a few scenarios that are real threats to the integrity of the bird site over the coming weeks.
Know this guy by any chance info? :)
From the Age this morning
thermalben wrote:This is a great (though lengthy) list of many of the possibilities that could bring Twitter to a grinding halt under the current circumstances.
FWIW, apart from the political ones, Swellnet has experienced many of the rest (albeit as a miniscule version) at some point in the last twenty years.
https://twitter.com/MosquitoCapital/status/1593541177965678592
That’s a long list of things that can go wrong.
One of the ex engineers was describing how very small things will start to go wrong and as so many engineers that focused on one area have gone other engineers try to find a fix outside their area of expertise and then other areas will be impacted and also start to fail. (If that makes sense).
This is just really really sad. Bees all over the world have it really tough, when they are gone we are fucked.
https://www.smh.com.au/environment/conservation/the-potential-devastatio...
indo-dreaming wrote:thermalben wrote:indo-dreaming wrote:Do you really think Elon wouldn't have known all the figures and financial risk and challenges ahead???
Do you really think the richest man in the world would not have a team of people crunching figures and looking at all kinds of different scenarios???
He has moved fast in important areas like cutting staff and id expect getting more productivity from those remaining and also implementing new ideas quickly, but it's way way way to early to judge if his vision will be successful both from a users view and a business income view, just because he launches some grey tick and then retracts it means little in the scheme of things, give him a few months maybe even six months or more then let's start judging things.
You can also bet he has surrounded himself with the very best people in all the fields needed and you would expect he has all kinds of plans to improve things and produce income.
Based on his past success its more likely he will turn it into a money making business in a year or two and create a much more user friendly platform in the next few months where people will be able to share and debate ideas in a much more free way.
Yet to be confirmed, but apparently 75% of the remaining 3,700-odd Twitter employees have not opted to stay after the “hardcore” email.
However, confirmed is that Twitter has closed employee access to all of its offices.
He is literally draining the swamp of woke self self entitled lazy millennials, to replace them with people who want to work, you can imagine how lazy they were before (even videos showing it) imagine how lazy they are now when they don't believe in Musk vision or like their boss, probably causing issues rather than fixing them.
I get that retraining staff is never a great scenario, but one new worker will probably do ten times the amount of work of the staff he lets go, you would expect these are low skilled jobs and not coders etc
I do worry he is pushing things a little hard, but i also have faith in him and i love his balls to the wall open to all approach and his sense of humour.
I get that it's not something everyone appreciates though, wish we could fast forward six months and see what happens.
So, he is killing off half his customers…they maybe woke but woke buy stuff, and advertisers like people that buy stuff.
Roadkill wrote:indo-dreaming wrote:thermalben wrote:indo-dreaming wrote:Do you really think Elon wouldn't have known all the figures and financial risk and challenges ahead???
Do you really think the richest man in the world would not have a team of people crunching figures and looking at all kinds of different scenarios???
He has moved fast in important areas like cutting staff and id expect getting more productivity from those remaining and also implementing new ideas quickly, but it's way way way to early to judge if his vision will be successful both from a users view and a business income view, just because he launches some grey tick and then retracts it means little in the scheme of things, give him a few months maybe even six months or more then let's start judging things.
You can also bet he has surrounded himself with the very best people in all the fields needed and you would expect he has all kinds of plans to improve things and produce income.
Based on his past success its more likely he will turn it into a money making business in a year or two and create a much more user friendly platform in the next few months where people will be able to share and debate ideas in a much more free way.
Yet to be confirmed, but apparently 75% of the remaining 3,700-odd Twitter employees have not opted to stay after the “hardcore” email.
However, confirmed is that Twitter has closed employee access to all of its offices.
He is literally draining the swamp of woke self self entitled lazy millennials, to replace them with people who want to work, you can imagine how lazy they were before (even videos showing it) imagine how lazy they are now when they don't believe in Musk vision or like their boss, probably causing issues rather than fixing them.
I get that retraining staff is never a great scenario, but one new worker will probably do ten times the amount of work of the staff he lets go, you would expect these are low skilled jobs and not coders etc
I do worry he is pushing things a little hard, but i also have faith in him and i love his balls to the wall open to all approach and his sense of humour.
I get that it's not something everyone appreciates though, wish we could fast forward six months and see what happens.
So, he is killing off half his customers…they maybe woke but woke buy stuff, and advertisers like people that buy stuff.
Spot on Roadkill, at the end of the day these are customers. Meanwhile, Elizabeth Holmes just got 11 years for the Theranos fraud. I wonder how many of those are coming? With money being thrown on startup founders in enormous amounts over the last decade one would expect a wave of upcoming fraud charges. FTX is a lesson that keeps on giving everyday, who’s next?
Reinstate former President Trump
— Elon Musk (@elonmusk) November 19, 2022
Roadkill wrote:indo-dreaming wrote:thermalben wrote:indo-dreaming wrote:Do you really think Elon wouldn't have known all the figures and financial risk and challenges ahead???
Do you really think the richest man in the world would not have a team of people crunching figures and looking at all kinds of different scenarios???
He has moved fast in important areas like cutting staff and id expect getting more productivity from those remaining and also implementing new ideas quickly, but it's way way way to early to judge if his vision will be successful both from a users view and a business income view, just because he launches some grey tick and then retracts it means little in the scheme of things, give him a few months maybe even six months or more then let's start judging things.
You can also bet he has surrounded himself with the very best people in all the fields needed and you would expect he has all kinds of plans to improve things and produce income.
Based on his past success its more likely he will turn it into a money making business in a year or two and create a much more user friendly platform in the next few months where people will be able to share and debate ideas in a much more free way.
Yet to be confirmed, but apparently 75% of the remaining 3,700-odd Twitter employees have not opted to stay after the “hardcore” email.
However, confirmed is that Twitter has closed employee access to all of its offices.
He is literally draining the swamp of woke self self entitled lazy millennials, to replace them with people who want to work, you can imagine how lazy they were before (even videos showing it) imagine how lazy they are now when they don't believe in Musk vision or like their boss, probably causing issues rather than fixing them.
I get that retraining staff is never a great scenario, but one new worker will probably do ten times the amount of work of the staff he lets go, you would expect these are low skilled jobs and not coders etc
I do worry he is pushing things a little hard, but i also have faith in him and i love his balls to the wall open to all approach and his sense of humour.
I get that it's not something everyone appreciates though, wish we could fast forward six months and see what happens.
So, he is killing off half his customers…they maybe woke but woke buy stuff, and advertisers like people that buy stuff.
Huh???
They aren't customers they are employees, he just wants employees who are normal people(not ideology driven or at least a broad mix of views) and decent workers.
9 out of 10 people that are going to leave twitter would have left already, but most are still on twitter doing what most people on twitter do giving their 2 cents worth.
It seems twitter is even receiving record user numbers.
Im certain the woke and left are just as welcome on twitter as anyone else, Musk and sensible people in general dont restrict or cancel people based on opposing thoughts or ideologies, they discuss or challenge opposing views instead, canceling is weak and only done by people that know their views are wrong.
BTW. Many of the biggest sponsors to leave or pause sponsorship were automobile companies, they left not because of fear of hate speech or uncertainty, but more because Musk owns Tesla and they fear their advertising won't get bang for buck or be suppressed or that he will use any data for Telsla benefit, or even anding money to Twitter is helping Musk/Tesla in a sense.
"Elon Musk begins unbanning some high-profile Twitter accounts, starting with Jordan Peterson and Kathy Griffin"
https://au.finance.yahoo.com/news/twitter-unbans-jordan-peterson-babylon...
He also unbanned Babylon bee.
This is great news Jordan was banned for using some Trans actors old name Elliot instead of Ellen.
Babylon bee similar
What’s a decent worker ? Someone that works 16 hours a day 7 days a week or someone that knows what they are actually doing and gets the job done efficiently in a minimal amount of time ? If you’re good at your job what’s the problem doing it from home ?
Its subjective and really up to the employer in this case Musk, but judging from things read and video it doesn't seem like much productivity has ever happened at twitter.
When you employee people you also want people who are on board with your vision, you dont want people who are suppose to be working for you working against you.
Supafreak wrote:What’s a decent worker ? Someone that works 16 hours a day 7 days a week or someone that knows what they are actually doing and gets the job done efficiently in a minimal amount of time ? If you’re good at your job what’s the problem doing it from home ?
It’s about the results. As long as they are achieved no one cares if someone did it in 6 or 10 hours. Musk is good in building from scratch which usually involves very lean resources and almost cult like dedication. But managing an established corporation is a different beast. It gets too big and cult effect drops off. Employees’ expectations and goals eventually get closer to the mean.
This guys take on what musk is doing at Twitter is similar to indo’s views . In the comments some agree , some have good points for why it doesn’t add up . Be interesting to see if Twitter survives until xmas . https://twitter.com/oliverbcampbell/status/1593434329153245185?s=46&t=cOjHAZjAuCcqnDBtIGRLYQ
Much of what he said made some kind of sense, but I still have a feeling Elon is flying by the seat of his pants right now.
Also unsure why Elon would spend $44 billion to give the above suggestion a whirl. There are other ways he could have achieved it (indeed, in April he had already become the largest shareholder).
There are going to be some grumpy punters.
https://www.nytimes.com/2022/11/18/sports/soccer/world-cup-beer-qatar.html
https://www.foxsports.com.au/football/112m-world-cup-sponsor-budweiser-c...
I 100% agree with that guys post.
I dont think it's just about work ethic though but also changing the overall culture too.
Obviously the risk is you lose people that know the ins and outs of things and retraining takes time.
BTW. Im sure normally i can only see the original post, but now i can see replies too, just wont let me view replies to replies
Supafreak wrote:. Be interesting to see if Twitter survives until xmas .
If it's going to fail surely it's going to take much longer than a few weeks id say more like 12 months plus, he could take losses for ages and cutting staff he is minimising loses and is likely to regain sponsors rather than lose more especially if user numbers are up.
indo-dreaming wrote:Supafreak wrote:. Be interesting to see if Twitter survives until xmas .
If it's going to fail surely it's going to take much longer than a few weeks id say more like 12 months plus, he could take losses for ages and cutting staff he is minimising loses and is likely to regain sponsors rather than lose more especially if user numbers are up.
Yeah, I’m thinking more along the lines that Twitter will shutdown without the people to rectify a system failure .
indo-dreaming wrote:Roadkill wrote:indo-dreaming wrote:thermalben wrote:indo-dreaming wrote:Do you really think Elon wouldn't have known all the figures and financial risk and challenges ahead???
Do you really think the richest man in the world would not have a team of people crunching figures and looking at all kinds of different scenarios???
He has moved fast in important areas like cutting staff and id expect getting more productivity from those remaining and also implementing new ideas quickly, but it's way way way to early to judge if his vision will be successful both from a users view and a business income view, just because he launches some grey tick and then retracts it means little in the scheme of things, give him a few months maybe even six months or more then let's start judging things.
You can also bet he has surrounded himself with the very best people in all the fields needed and you would expect he has all kinds of plans to improve things and produce income.
Based on his past success its more likely he will turn it into a money making business in a year or two and create a much more user friendly platform in the next few months where people will be able to share and debate ideas in a much more free way.
Yet to be confirmed, but apparently 75% of the remaining 3,700-odd Twitter employees have not opted to stay after the “hardcore” email.
However, confirmed is that Twitter has closed employee access to all of its offices.
He is literally draining the swamp of woke self self entitled lazy millennials, to replace them with people who want to work, you can imagine how lazy they were before (even videos showing it) imagine how lazy they are now when they don't believe in Musk vision or like their boss, probably causing issues rather than fixing them.
I get that retraining staff is never a great scenario, but one new worker will probably do ten times the amount of work of the staff he lets go, you would expect these are low skilled jobs and not coders etc
I do worry he is pushing things a little hard, but i also have faith in him and i love his balls to the wall open to all approach and his sense of humour.
I get that it's not something everyone appreciates though, wish we could fast forward six months and see what happens.
So, he is killing off half his customers…they maybe woke but woke buy stuff, and advertisers like people that buy stuff.
Huh???
They aren't customers they are employees, he just wants employees who are normal people(not ideology driven or at least a broad mix of views) and decent workers.
9 out of 10 people that are going to leave twitter would have left already, but most are still on twitter doing what most people on twitter do giving their 2 cents worth.
It seems twitter is even receiving record user numbers.
Im certain the woke and left are just as welcome on twitter as anyone else, Musk and sensible people in general dont restrict or cancel people based on opposing thoughts or ideologies, they discuss or challenge opposing views instead, canceling is weak and only done by people that know their views are wrong.
BTW. Many of the biggest sponsors to leave or pause sponsorship were automobile companies, they left not because of fear of hate speech or uncertainty, but more because Musk owns Tesla and they fear their advertising won't get bang for buck or be suppressed or that he will use any data for Telsla benefit, or even anding money to Twitter is helping Musk/Tesla in a sense.
Woke workers cater to and understand a woke customer base. Get rid of the woke twitter staff and replace with a right wing group think and you drive a huge customer base away. Business needs to understand who their base is and where their revenue comes from.
A mix of ideas and staff is important.
Btw, how do you know the staff Musk is getting rid of are not normal people? And they are lazy?
Maybe you should offer your considerable knowledge of all things staff to Musk, you could be a consultant.
Another train wreck.
https://www.news.com.au/sport/football/world-cup/remarkably-deluded-fifa...
Lots of billionaire simps in the surfing world ay?
Have it cunts