What's what?

Ballina was Nats for 27 years until the Greens won it in 2015.

Blindboy tells me that populism is inherently bad because it places the decision making process square in the hands of the population- a concept I consider democratic. But apparently the decisions are best left in the hands of our “ expert “ political class.

How’s that working ......https://www.macrobusiness.com.au/2019/03/60-minutes-ridicules-alan-tudge...

No fucking idea is how it’s working.

The single most important issue in Australia and it’s in the hands of meatheads like that.

Blowin this is a cease and desist order. STOP PUTTING WORDS IN MY MOUTH....... end of discussion.

Yep, I've had some pretty interesting conversations about immigration with BB.

Stuff like "The only proven way to stabilise or reduce population is by increasing standards of living. So if you really care about environmental issues you should support a significant increase in our .... current levels of immigration."

Just nonsense stuff.

At the same time, I don't accept that populism places decision making square in the hands of population.
Not saying that populism is necessarily bad mind you.

Populism, you gents mean like all the sugar sweets you can eat type populism, what could possibly go wrong..........Tony Abbott?

Andy maybe just chat with Blowin since you share the same approach to discussion. Exaggerate and distort someone's point, or just make stuff up, then argue against it.

I'm not exaggerating what you said, these are your words:

"The only proven way to stabilise or reduce population is by increasing standards of living. So if you really care about environmental issues you should support a significant increase in our aid budget, fair trade initiatives and current levels of immigration."

https://www.swellnet.com/comment/594214

This is the answer I gave you then, and nothing has changed.

"BB, the U.N. and the W.H.O talk about economic development, education, birth control and also government incentives as methods to address population growth in developing nations."

Why would we maintain massive levels of immigration and accelerate degradation of our environment just so you can feel morally superior?

Why not just post the whole thread and save us the trouble of rehashing our positions? I haven't changed my opinion.

then accept that you aren't being misquoted or taken out of context.

Those were your words.

I just did. Go back and read the thread if you want a fuller explanation.

I've got a life to live.

I got the gist of it first time around.

Point being?

Don't want to waste time rehashing an old thread that had the pertinent quotes just pulled out.

Yeh right.

Trump2: The Not-So-Real Donald

The deal has been done. It's been right there for all to see for quite some time now, but hey..... look over there! Who's watching, with Mueller and walls and Kim to distract us? No, the coup was stealthy, no military, no impeachment, just gentle persuasion ...... and a fair offer. Protection and a second term, just give up your power and hand it back to the Republican establishment. Think of the benefits, you can tweet whatever you like, play golf, watch Fox News talk about you, eat Maccas. What more could your fading cognitive powers want? No more briefing papers, no more worries about people resigning, respectful policy analysis in mainstream media. Statesman, they'll call you a statesman Donald! You can go down in history as a statesman.

And all your legal problems gone. Obstruction? Under the carpet already! Collusion, well you never did, I mean who in their right mind would ever have considered conspiring with you anyway. Your deep and on going ignorance of anything beyond your limited range of sound bites was absolute protection. The flunkies did the dirty work and will have plenty of time to think about it because, yeh that too, we really don't want you pardoning them, bad for the party image. Anyway, like you said, you prefer people who don't get caught. Sexual harassment, fraud? No worries a quick word in the NY prosecutor's ear and you're in the clear.

Your base? Well yep, you've sold them out. No wall, no change to immigration, and no, sorry Donald, but you didn't make America great again, and no, it won't be on your second term agenda either. Not good for business, wages would have to go up, then there would be all those schools and hospitals when there is more to be made selling weapons to terrorists ..... sorry our wonderful Saudi allies.

And you know this is nothing new. It's old school US politics, if you need a stooge, sorry actor, hire a pro, not a top draw one, just some fading matinee idol or reality TV has been. Just some one who can look the camera in the eye and smile while they avoid the question.... and Donald you don't even have to do that. Say what you like ....... and we will do what we like. Same as always. Did someone mention disruption? Ha ha ha ha ha

Take a look at this fucking thing

Fancy if the mainstream media did respectful policy analysis rather than perpetuating the witch hunt of the past two years !

BTW Even mentioning obstruction after he’s been exonerated paints you as the sorest loser of a failed undemocratic coup as has ever walked the Earth.

It’s over. You were wrong. Be a man and admit it.

Witch hunting ,doomsday clock pointing sore loser. And you think Trump acts like a child !

“If you’re an MSNBC viewer – or reader of liberal sites on the internet – you were fed a steady stream of conspiratorial bullshit that completely warped your view of the world. All while they purposely excluded anyone who questioned their fraud [and] profited off your fears.”

Let’s face it You’ve been swallowing and PUSHING fake news for two years. You are part of the problem.

Can't read? Don't read? One or the other Blowin. Barr's letter said specifically he was not exonerated on obstruction. Other than that just the usual bullshit and insults.

You think the recognition that you’ve been pushing a fake news conspiracy for two years is a bullshit insult ?

After harping on and on about threats to democracy, the mainstream push to have Trump outed for colluding with Russia has been exposed as a failed coup attempt which you have not just supported, but have been a vociferous co conspirator. You’ve been guilty of undemocratic behaviour and now you’ve just blithely moved on to your next push to oust a democratically elected official because you don’t like him.

Own it BB.

"Fancy if the mainstream media did respectful policy analysis rather than perpetuating the witch hunt of the past two years !

BTW Even mentioning obstruction after he’s been exonerated paints you as the sorest loser of a failed undemocratic coup as has ever walked the Earth.

It’s over. You were wrong. Be a man and admit it.

Witch hunting ,doomsday clock pointing sore loser. And you think Trump acts like a child !

“If you’re an MSNBC viewer – or reader of liberal sites on the internet – you were fed a steady stream of conspiratorial bullshit that completely warped your view of the world. All while they purposely excluded anyone who questioned their fraud [and] profited off your fears.”

Let’s face it You’ve been swallowing and PUSHING fake news for two years. You are part of the problem."

Good post Blowin.

Love or hate Trump, it's about time everyone just accepted him as president and moved on from the which hunt.

The left are all for democracy but when it doesn't go their way OMG they try everything to change things and don't stop whinging about the results.

I can see no reason for anyone to take exception to the Mueller investigation - processes such as these have plenty of precedent in USA political history. This specific investigation does not target an individual but examines whether that nation's democratic system has been compromised by influences and intrusions made by another nation - one of the concerns, among many, was that such interference may have occurred during meetings held at Trump Towers between Russian government operatives and Trump campaign staff at a time when Trump Inc was attempting to procure finances for a development in Moscow. The basis of this part of the Mueller investigation is valid and needed to be assessed....there are a range of other activities attached to Trump Inc's financial activities, including tax evasion, that will also be investigated (as have been and are the finances of other corporations where concerns regarding non-compliance exist). That the AG's short summary contends that the President did not engage in collusion with Russian intrusions into the 2016 campaign is surely a good thing - it would be of great concern if it was found to be otherwise. It is all part of a due legal and political process and part of the checks and balances that form the basis of a democracy......no one has had access to the full Mueller Report and is qualified to draw any wholesale conclusions yet.

Ha ha ha, it ain't over by a long, long long, way. While your waiting watch your great disrupter turn into a Republican establishment stooge.

Nancy Pelosi obviously had a squiz and as one of the most rabid anti Trump torch bearers in the end basically said fuck it, he's not worth it.

Or more tellingly, knew it was never gonna get up and Trumpy was going to come out the other side smelling like roses.

SO people think that just because Mueller's report was handed over late on Friday arvo to Barr (a Trump appointee) that his 4 page summary is the end of the story.

Really?

In Barr’s letter, he specifically quotes from Mueller’s findings about possible obstruction of justice: “while this report does not conclude that the President committed a crime, it also does not exonerate him.”

AS for "Love or hate Trump, it's about time everyone just accepted him as president and moved on from the which hunt'"

Yea naa.

It's a long way from over.

The lawyers have plenty of work ahead of them.

I guess the transparent and honest thing for Trump to do would be to publicly release the findings without redactions.

What's the chances of that happening? Sweet FA I reckon.

Due process ?

It’s been a witch hunt since day one. The entire concept of Russian collusion was a FABRICATION by his political enemies. It’s not like a crime has been committed and the wrong person has been accused.

There WAS no crime.

Its this fact that is relevant. It’s not enough to prove his innocence and move on , the spotlight and investigation should now turn towards who and what has intentionally created this defamatory and disruptive campaign in order to oust a democratically elected leader.

For two years the MSM has piled on , both aiding and abetting false allegations to be leveled. Not just slightly , the story and campaign against Trump has been concerted , calculated and relentless. The aim has alaways been to depose Trump , not seek justice. When it became apparent that purely creating the smear campaign wouldn’t be enough to get rid of him the conspiracy then turned its efforts towards deposing him through “ obstruction “ which was nothing but Trump defending himself against false charges.

Again and again the global media , the Democrats and their internationally dispersed stooges - such as Blindboy - false accused an innocent person of criminal acts in order to further their political desires.

This is a criminal act in itself.

The act of diverting the energy and focus of the nation’s leader from the job of running the nation so he can defend himself against false allegations is an attack on the nation itself. It’s nothing short of treasonous. The standing of the President in international eyes was severely diminished by his own domestic enemies and their selfish ambition. The worst bit is that these people remain believing that they were justified in these actions. Look at BB . Not an ounce of contrition.

It turns out that the Mueller investigation was actually a blessing as it’s shone a light on those who would truly circumvent democracy......Trump’s accusers.

Trump is the same fuckwit he’s always been . At least the MSM and their co conspirators are finally exposed as the fuckwits they’ve always been as well.

Blindboy has been spreading fake news for two years . Imagine if someone had been relentlessly and publicly accusing you of a crime you’d never committed for two long years.....

Lock them up !

Its nice that no charges of collusion are to be progressed against Trump.

Now the criminal can be investigated, charged and jailed along with his family just like all his mates have been.

Trump is a criminal.

Two facts:
1. Russian agents influenced the election.
2. Numerous people in the Trump were in touch with high powered Russians from Putin's inner circle ....... and then lied about it.

No crime committed? Tell that to those already doing time.

Of course he is. He’s a corrupt , power hungry stone around the neck of a world that wants to treat each other with respect and get on with a life of honest toil.

Same as 99 percent of politicians since time immemorial.

But the failed coup attempt with the Russian collusion farce needs to be recognised for the blatant attack on democracy that it was.

Why don’t you tell us how Pell isn’t guilty whilst you’re second guessing legally binding conclusions, Blindboy ?

BB , Isn’t it strange that you never state the truth of “ Russian involvement “ .....releasing Clinton’s OWN emails which did nothing more than reveal the truth about her to the voting public.

Clinton wanted war with Russia. Many , many people would have died in this needless war. Russia gave the US public the entire picture of the woman on which to make an informed decision.

And you think this is a bad thing .

Thank fuck for Russia because , as has recently been illustrated so graphically, the MSM had no desire to tell the truth about Clinton even if the result of which is avoiding a global conflict .

Admit you’ve been peddling fake news for two years , Blindboy.

Lock him up !

........ I'm innocent, it's an evil witch hunt! Ha ha ha

Staggering that many cannot let this go. There comes a time where your credibility is taking too much collateral damage to maintain the party line/lie. And I'm not even talking about blindboy,

speakng of train wrecks, in other 'news' that is the democrat party/news misinformation complex, stormy daniel's lawyer, avennati, has just been accused of a $20 mil. fraud case involving nike for trying to extort money out of them.

Democrats best witness against trump! Can this shit get any seedier?

Democrats poster boy lawyer, and potential candidate for president, I'll repeat that, potential democrat presidential candidate avennati just got done for a $20 mil fraud case!!

No problem, nothng to see here....

Politico on Mueller. Accurately observed.

https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2019/03/25/mueller-report-barr-t...

Oz #1 power couple in the heat of the moment...Ooh La La!
Paparazzi are onto the Love Birds, perfect cam angle bang on cue.(Busted!)
https://www.abc.net.au/cm/rimage/10933588-16x9-large.jpg?v=5

It is very accurate.

It describes how a verdict has been reached and that the conspirators have chosen to ignore the findings. I’d like to think that the final two paragraphs were employed ironically- that of using the opinions of a couple of utterly unrelated Hollywood groupthink leftist who are doubling down on revealing their partisan ignorance as an example of the state of politics in the US. But seeing as how it was the authors example that the issue is not settled , I suspect not.

Also loved the way the issue was compared with Nixon - as usual - except in Nixons case a crime had been committed and then they discovered the President was responsible. Unlike Trump whereby his dislike led to the urge to create a FAKE CRIME with his guilt preordained.

Still no mention of Russian meddling revealing nothing but the truth about Clinton. If only all democracies were lucky enough to benefit from a third party informing the public just who it is that is seeking absolute power in their country. The USA should be grateful. The world should be grateful.

Train wreck!? That's not a train wreck!

https://thenewdaily.com.au/news/national/2019/03/26/q-and-a-teena-mcquee...

Interesting how Teena's go-to points and positioning mirrors what's on here.

Surprise!!!!

For the love of (Casino) Mike, TBB, stop it!

Mirrors what on here ?

Are you saying that the allegations that white supremacists are making Adelaide unsafe compares to the allegations that African gangs are making Melbourne unsafe ? Or are you saying it’s cool to insight fear and panic about white people ? I don’t know what to tell you .

Does the lady in question think that she will be a potential victim because she’s got aboriginal flag in her home even though to a casual observer she is as white as snow ?

I’m not sure what your point is .

Or are you saying that it’s surprising that youre posting an unclear opinion with no substance except to point out that you think the other people on this forum are fools for what they believe and that you’re willing to draw a long bow to associate them with some fool politician ? Cause that’s not that surprising really.

Strange calls in here of FAKE NEWS/WITCH HUNTS/FAKE CRIME etc etc etc...the investigation was not about any particular individual's behaviour or actions - it was regarding validated concerns regarding Russian intrusion into and manipulation of the American 2016 election...... a significant number of indictments and convictions have emanated via an independent legal process....nothing fake or partisan about that - Mueller is no Democratic lackey rather a competent professional with an impeccable record.......the issue of collusion appears (given what has been released via a 4 page precis of a significantly larger document) to have been resolved, with other matters such as obstruction and perjury still to be attended to. People are doing time for breaking laws and others cleared of misdoings (thus far) - the investigation has well proven its worth.

Trump “exonerated” by the Mueller report and general Trump-apologist shtick. CHECK.

Free (hate) speech morphing into fake equivalence bollocks. CHECK.

“To imply that somebody who is standing up against racism is guilty of the same sort of hate speech as the people who have allowed the hatred that we’ve seen in the last couple of weeks to fester and to have a base and be legitimised by so many people — it just doesn’t add up." (NSS!)

Bolt & Anning = Di Natale the Green Wiggle. Yeah, nah. Again.

The rise of aggrieved white snowflake power ain't really a thing. CHECK.

Self-proclaimed working-class hero parroting Liberal matriarch and Murdoch propaganda. CHECK.

Literal off-colour comment about Q & A questioner.

All you & yours, snowcone.

Now what's China up to today?

Incorrect.

Again.

Good of you to admit it Blowin but you have been wrong so often we need a clue as to what you are admitting to.

Blindboy ( tapping microphone) “ Is this thing on ? “

[Breaking News] One Nation caught out in US/NRA sting (Foreign Donations?)

One Notion and the NRA!

Oh dear.

But then again, who is surprised in the slightest?

The timing and M.O. of this is interesting though.

I like this quote from our Prime Marketer about the whole embarrassing affair.

“But the fact that they were prepared to do it, if you are ever wondering why you shouldn’t be voting One Nation, there is a pretty good reason.”

But he once again stopped short of declaring One Nation should sit at the bottom of any Liberal party how-to-vote cards.

“I am not interested in getting One Nation’s preferences, I am interested in getting their primary vote,” he said.

“I won’t put up with it. That is why I don’t want their preferences, I want their primary votes because that is the right thing for Australia.”

One Nation are low-hanging fruit, rotten to the point of falling off the tree. An easy target.

As John Birmingham said about ex-One Notional Fraser Anning, "He is saying the quiet part loud. This government and its leading figures have long said the loud part quietly by stoking fear and hatred for electoral gain..."

Now let's cast our minds back to Pauline and One Notion mk I.

Much has been said about Big John Winston Howard of late and his 'unequivocal' rejection of Pauline & One Notion regarding any kind of preference deal.

Jeez, how well we remember that he even sicced his mad dog, Tones Abbott, onto her, eventually leading to her doing hard-time!

Good old Winston, the man of steel! The integrity oozing out of every orifice. Huzzah!

Yeah, nah...

Of course, we all really know that Big John saw her as an electoral threat, and just stole her racist shtick, all the while whispering the loud part quietly like the cunning shithouse rat he always was.

Fast forward to Pauline & One Notion mk II. Now the 'notion' is just all about the $$$$. She learned something whilst in the political wilderness. Get in and make bank! Dancing with the idiots! A new sunrise!

Yet instead of being stalked by the Machiavellian malevolence of Big John, she's up against the third-rate Prime Marketer. A man OPENLY stating, "I don’t want their preferences, I want their primary votes because that is the right thing for Australia.”

Talk about shouting the quiet part loudly!

What a shit-show. Australia, you're standing in it!

But if you listen to James Ashby, they werent just set up by a media company from a foreign nation, but a media company from a MIDDLE EASTERN nation.

How can we trust them???

And a Spy no less.