Next Federal Election
Supafreak wrote:sypkan wrote:it's a good question...
https://x.com/JP__75/status/1914970021551608257
and it exposes who is really running this import driven ponzi scheme
and thus, australia...
anyone who thinks voting labor this election will fix anything is kidding themselves
vote labor liberal last!
So who would you like to see as the PM ? If everyone votes independents in , who then leads the country ? It’s ok to say put labor/liberal last but what’s the plan after that ? What policies are you attracted to that independents are putting forward ? I don’t expect an answer. Labor is going to get in with a majority and the Liberal party like the democrats in the US need to change direction and actually come up with some policies rather than just saying no to everything . https://x.com/strangerous10/status/1915187365444030578?s=46
How you going to vote from there? Pigeon :)
I wouldn't be surprised if Labor don't get back in Supafreak, plenty of people are believing everything Dutton is saying about it all being "Labors fault". The scare campaign they are running probably resonates with more people this time than the one they ran against Shorten, the irony being that if Shortens policies had gotten up you'd think we'd be, at the very least, in a better position regarding housing costs because there would be less competition in the market from investors. My guess is that not many would be thinking about that though. Admittedly my only exposure to the campaign is following links and discussion put up here and a bit on the ABC so hopefully I'm wrong.
gs-co wrote:They still predominantly earn most of their income from net interest income (so from the net interest margin between “savings” vs “loans”),
It must help being the ones setting the valuations as well wouldn't it? Meaning the margins are worth more because the borrowings have increased, or have I got that wrong? I've often wondered if this is the way it works
"On the second bit, dont get cocky this election is an easy win no government has lost after one term since the 1930's."
this is my biggest fear, labor win convincingly
and get cocky...
look what they've done this term... on a barely 30% voter approval rating!
ie. not reduce immigration after promising to pre-election
allow it to blow out 500k+
then promise to reduce it when they apparently 'realised' it was 500k+
ignore that for another 2 years...
now refuse to even talk about it
plus, blow out the public sector
biggest spending government since whitlam
entrenched a heap of 'middle class welfare' through handouts... ensuring debt and deficit for future generations...
(not to mention that being exactly what they accused howard of... ie. unnecessary, untargeted, structural spending, squandering of, and debt creation for future generations...)
after all that, we should all feel we're living in a guided age... no one I know is feeling that...
shit's a mess, per capita recession's off the charts, debt outa control, 'social cohesion' worst ever...
but labor lubbers 'll tell ya...
'all is sweet' and 'albo's alright'
sorry it's not... he ain't...
some baby boomer investor types are still smiling though, spending bigly...
but I personally don't know anyone who'll say things are better than 10 - 20 years ago
no one!
not one!
but albo's alright...
apparently
not bad...
sorry, not feeling it
at all...
Fliplid wrote:I wouldn't be surprised if Labor don't get back in Supafreak, plenty of people are believing everything Dutton is saying about it all being "Labors fault". The scare campaign they are running probably resonates with more people this time than the one they ran against Shorten, the irony being that if Shortens policies had gotten up you'd think we'd be, at the very least, in a better position regarding housing costs because there would be less competition in the market from investors. My guess is that not many would be thinking about that though. Admittedly my only exposure to the campaign is following links and discussion put up here and a bit on the ABC so hopefully I'm wrong.
gs-co wrote:They still predominantly earn most of their income from net interest income (so from the net interest margin between “savings” vs “loans”),
It must help being the ones setting the valuations as well wouldn't it? Meaning the margins are worth more because the borrowings have increased, or have I got that wrong? I've often wondered if this is the way it works
If I understand you correctly, most Aus banks (still) use external property valuation services (seems that only NAB does it internally).
It’s not in a bank’s interest to overstate the value of a property it is lending against, since it needs an accurate and usually quite conservative assessment of what it could recover if things go belly up.
Also, if a bank overvalued a property then the loan-value ratio would be smaller, implying that the loan is safer than it really is and the bank could relax the interest rate a little, meaning the loan is less profitable.
Of course it’s the property market that determines the actual price the property trades at. I don’t think it’s a valid argument to say that bank valuations are on balance favourable and consequently cause property prices to be inflated, thus leading to larger loans and higher profits (if that’s what you’re saying): I don’t buy the property-price-bank-valuation spiral idea.
Banks tend to be very conservative in their valuations for loan safety and it tends to support the interest rate charged.
Hi GSCO. Why was The Voice 'woke'?
Very interested in your answer good sir.
lol didn’t we already spend a few months arguing about it…?
@southern, because the world is as it is and blaming people for the way it is, is socialist propaganda. and the western world has given us the most egalitarian crack at society we've ever had. everyone should act like we're all the same because we are all legally the same. everything social can be sorted by supporting the less fortunate or less tapped-in regardless of their race. social welfare is not a race issue. to say it is is creating a victim culture. the aboriginal-descended people today didn't have their land taken, their distant ancestors did. which is a shame and should be reflected in history books, but not in our constitution, because to do so would say aboriginals are different to the rest of society. dividing people up into groups is marxist brain virus woke dumb fuckety foo run by the world fucking money pit money hole rabbits with holes in their ears, holes in their ears, holes in their ears.. why do elephants in the room have big ears? cos noddy wouldn't pay the ransom..
^ Horrid un-generous clap-trap. A bee's-dick away from archaic-blood talk. we missed a trick with the voice, but it did show where the anti aggressive-left line in the sand is, and how those lines can be used in our politics. our fist people community got a kick in the guts because of it.
gs-co wrote:I don’t think it’s a valid argument to say that bank valuations are on balance favourable and consequently cause property prices to be inflated, thus leading to larger loans and higher profits (if that’s what you’re saying): I don’t buy the property-price-bank-valuation spiral idea.
Yes that's what I was getting at and had often wondered if they were somehow manipulating the market in anyway, but I didn't know if that was the case, or even possible. Appreciate the reply, thanks
sypkan, you left the Trumpets off your list, a bridge too far?
Supafreak wrote:sypkan wrote:it's a good question...
https://x.com/JP__75/status/1914970021551608257
and it exposes who is really running this import driven ponzi scheme
and thus, australia...
anyone who thinks voting labor this election will fix anything is kidding themselves
vote labor liberal last!
So who would you like to see as the PM ? If everyone votes independents in , who then leads the country ? It’s ok to say put labor/liberal last but what’s the plan after that ? What policies are you attracted to that independents are putting forward ? I don’t expect an answer. Labor is going to get in with a majority and the Liberal party like the democrats in the US need to change direction and actually come up with some policies rather than just saying no to everything . https://x.com/strangerous10/status/1915187365444030578?s=46
Reckon we’re a long way from everyone voting independent.
Who leads the country? It’ll be fine, all those countries who have been doing coalitions for decades have managed ok.
What independent policies are attractive?
Anti-corruption, political transparency, anti-gambling, an intact environment, cracking down on tax avoidance by large multinationals…
All the stuff the two majors wouldn’t touch in a fit.
Fliplid wrote:I wouldn't be surprised if Labor don't get back in Supafreak, plenty of people are believing everything Dutton is saying about it all being "Labors fault". The scare campaign they are running probably resonates with more people this time than the one they ran against Shorten, the irony being that if Shortens policies had gotten up you'd think we'd be, at the very least, in a better position regarding housing costs because there would be less competition in the market from investors. My guess is that not many would be thinking about that though. Admittedly my only exposure to the campaign is following links and discussion put up here and a bit on the ABC so hopefully I'm wrong.
gs-co wrote:They still predominantly earn most of their income from net interest income (so from the net interest margin between “savings” vs “loans”),
It must help being the ones setting the valuations as well wouldn't it? Meaning the margins are worth more because the borrowings have increased, or have I got that wrong? I've often wondered if this is the way it works
I seriously doubt spud will win his seat let alone the election. Liberals are cooked. Interesting to see if gina keeps spud on the books .
This is the World we Live in and these are the Hands we're Given
Use them & let's start tryin', to make it a place worth livin' in!
I won't be coming home tonight, my generation will put it right
We're not just making promises that we know we'll never keep
This is the World we Live in and these are the Names we're given
Stand up and let's start showing just where our lives are going to.
Lyrics borrowed from Land of Confusion by Genesis
Some great songsmiths back in the day...All say Aye!
Thought we could share some more old school People Power Campaign themes.
A Salty Dog wrote:newdog wrote:No political bias here don't like any of them. i didn't condone anything, i said people are sick WTC.
I'm not.
So what qualifies you to speak for everyone.
And read the comments, you'll see who is shouting racism.
https://www.news.com.au/national/politics/aussies-overwhelmingly-reject-...
In other news, the cost of living crisis finally hits surfers.
Let's call it $10 for a block of wax at the local servo.
AndyM wrote:In other news, the cost of living crisis finally hits surfers.
Let's call it $10 for a block of wax at the local servo.
Fark me it’s cheaper in Bali , 60,000 RP comes in at just over $5 with current exchange rate .
Crazy eh?
That’s nothing….wait till you see Junes electricity prices.
Optimist wrote:That’s nothing….wait till you see Junes electricity prices.
Love your optimism there @opti
Optimist wrote:That’s nothing….wait till you see Junes electricity prices.
So what do you know?
Bloody Albo’s fault.
Dutto cries “the last two years under this government” We’ll be hearing that on 7 tonight.
10 years under Liberals nothing went up.
seeds wrote:Bloody Albo’s fault.
Dutto cries “the last two years under this government” We’ll be hearing that on 7 tonight.
10 years under Liberals nothing went up.
More like for another 4 years Albo will still be blaming LNP for any and every problem or price rise.
That’s a stupid reply that backs my post.
seeds wrote:Bloody Albo’s fault.
Dutto cries “the last two years under this government” We’ll be hearing that on 7 tonight.
10 years under Liberals nothing went up.
your easily sucked in seeds, who buys wax from a servo
https://sideways.com.au/products/sticky-johnson-wax?variant=403461772740...
https://www.amazon.com.au/MRS-PALMERS-Wax/dp/B08W9WBN6B?th=1
indo-dreaming wrote:seeds wrote:Bloody Albo’s fault.
Dutto cries “the last two years under this government” We’ll be hearing that on 7 tonight.
10 years under Liberals nothing went up.More like for another 4 years Albo will still be blaming LNP for any and every problem or price rise.
You fucking imbecile @info, self appointed expert yet still confuses state and federal terms of government!
Except it wasn’t me.
And Palmers is the best.
God says your Johnson is sticky and you should repent.
seeds wrote:Except it wasn’t me.
And Palmers is the best.
God says your Johnson is sticky and you should repent.
there you go, although pretty sure you'd need more grip
https://www.amazon.com.au/MRS-PALMERS-Wax/dp/B08W9WBN6B?th=1
newdog wrote:seeds wrote:Bloody Albo’s fault.
Dutto cries “the last two years under this government” We’ll be hearing that on 7 tonight.
10 years under Liberals nothing went up.your easily sucked in seeds, who buys wax from a servo
https://sideways.com.au/products/sticky-johnson-wax?variant=403461772740...
https://www.amazon.com.au/MRS-PALMERS-Wax/dp/B08W9WBN6B?th=1
Who says I bought it?
what are you whinging about then, servos charge a mocca for everything
Just pointing it out boofhead.
newdog wrote:what are you whinging about then, servos charge a mocca for everything
except for their mochas for which they charge a motza!
Yep, if you turn up in your motor and pay a mega motza for a mocha, you're a moaner.
don't mock.
Don't mock Mick.
Mick Mock, tick tock :)
haha, @Supa worthy ; )
newdog wrote:A Salty Dog wrote:newdog wrote:No political bias here don't like any of them. i didn't condone anything, i said people are sick WTC.
I'm not.
So what qualifies you to speak for everyone.
And read the comments, you'll see who is shouting racism.
https://www.news.com.au/national/politics/aussies-overwhelmingly-reject-...
Newdog.
Newspolls such as that are notoriously inaccurate, but take it as you wish.
In all my years of travelling around this country, I have never witnessed a WTC ceremony, let alone have them continually “shoved down my throat”, as some maintain. Just as a matter of interest, how many WTC ceremonies have been shoved down your throat?
I have never been denied access to any location on the basis of indigenous land rights, in fact the only issue I have had has been with self-entitled white boys claiming particular breaks as their own.
Reading the comments attached to the article, there are several recurring themes.
“We said NO to The Voice”, “Racist”, “Divisive” and “Woke”.
The Voice was never about WTC. The terms “Racist, Divisive and Woke”, were all used by the Right in opposition to The Voice, yet they now appear as an argument to stop WTC ceremonies.
Many commenters appear to be unaware Indigenous Australians served in the ADF despite not being recognised as citizens until 1967. Then on their return to civilian life, they were denied basic rights we all take for granted.
Watching the video of the Anzac Service at the Shrine, the hecklers were ultimately drowned out by others who attended the service to show their respect for all ADF service personnel.
Ironically the “Heckler In Chief” a self-proclaimed Neo Nazi, bears the name Jacob. Now that is hilarious!
You should be well aware that every attempt at Indigenous recognition and reconciliation has been met with fervent opposition from the “Right”. And despite being dispossessed, massacred, abused and denied basic human rights for two hundred years, the Indigenous people still offer their hand in friendship: and this is how we respond.
yep @Salty, it's like watching the tobacco lobby making arguments.. in their case they got squillions of dollars just through slowing the decline of the industry.. what's in it for the rankled curmudgeons? Here @rob, I'll shout you a paddle at the river mouth. Good for the core ; )
Some threads to accompany the mocca…
you realise we watch your clips in good faith and we can't unsee stuff like this, don't you..
SD, try and climb Mt Warning see how you go
Haha yes b6
…this is the way ;)
(& newbog’s style and cultural welcoming ceremonies are well ‘ard)
newdog wrote:SD, try and climb Mt Warning see how you go
Try and climb the Opera House and see how you go.
Or any Cathedral for that matter.
Thanks newdog for reminding of the time another shallow-brained bore became obsessed with climbing something traditional owners didn't want them to and she got less than a quarter of the way before bursting into a panic and slid the rest of the way down on her arse.
maybe she was doing secret womens business
A Salty Dog wrote:newdog wrote:A Salty Dog wrote:newdog wrote:No political bias here don't like any of them. i didn't condone anything, i said people are sick WTC.
I'm not.
So what qualifies you to speak for everyone.
And read the comments, you'll see who is shouting racism.
https://www.news.com.au/national/politics/aussies-overwhelmingly-reject-...
Newdog.
Newspolls such as that are notoriously inaccurate, but take it as you wish.
In all my years of travelling around this country, I have never witnessed a WTC ceremony, let alone have them continually “shoved down my throat”, as some maintain. Just as a matter of interest, how many WTC ceremonies have been shoved down your throat?
I have never been denied access to any location on the basis of indigenous land rights, in fact the only issue I have had has been with self-entitled white boys claiming particular breaks as their own.
Reading the comments attached to the article, there are several recurring themes.
“We said NO to The Voice”, “Racist”, “Divisive” and “Woke”.
The Voice was never about WTC. The terms “Racist, Divisive and Woke”, were all used by the Right in opposition to The Voice, yet they now appear as an argument to stop WTC ceremonies.
Many commenters appear to be unaware Indigenous Australians served in the ADF despite not being recognised as citizens until 1967. Then on their return to civilian life, they were denied basic rights we all take for granted.
Watching the video of the Anzac Service at the Shrine, the hecklers were ultimately drowned out by others who attended the service to show their respect for all ADF service personnel.
Ironically the “Heckler In Chief” a self-proclaimed Neo Nazi, bears the name Jacob. Now that is hilarious!
You should be well aware that every attempt at Indigenous recognition and reconciliation has been met with fervent opposition from the “Right”. And despite being dispossessed, massacred, abused and denied basic human rights for two hundred years, the Indigenous people still offer their hand in friendship: and this is how we respond.
Just so your across all the facts of this debate Salty Dawg, your statement "You should be well aware that every attempt at Indigenous recognition and reconciliation has been met with fervent opposition from "The Right" is factually incorrect.
Labor (The Left) won government in 2022 with approx. 32% of the vote, the Libs (The Right) got approx. 36%, the two major parties gained a total of 68% of the votes of every aussie, hold that figure in your head for a minute.
The Voice was voted down by 61% of aussies.
Even if every single Liberal voter said No to the voice (which is also incorrect) you would need AT LEAST more than 50% of the Labor left to also vote No, which means The Right did not vote down the Voice, but a super-majority of ALL australians black, white, purple and yellow.
True to form Dutton has reached for Howard era dog whistling proving one again how he is such a little man ….
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/live/2025/apr/28/australia-el...
that's funny frowny, pretty sure elbo, blackout bowen and kevin07 are the little men
Peter Reynolds wrote:A Salty Dog wrote:newdog wrote:A Salty Dog wrote:newdog wrote:No political bias here don't like any of them. i didn't condone anything, i said people are sick WTC.
I'm not.
So what qualifies you to speak for everyone.
And read the comments, you'll see who is shouting racism.
https://www.news.com.au/national/politics/aussies-overwhelmingly-reject-...
Newdog.
Newspolls such as that are notoriously inaccurate, but take it as you wish.
In all my years of travelling around this country, I have never witnessed a WTC ceremony, let alone have them continually “shoved down my throat”, as some maintain. Just as a matter of interest, how many WTC ceremonies have been shoved down your throat?
I have never been denied access to any location on the basis of indigenous land rights, in fact the only issue I have had has been with self-entitled white boys claiming particular breaks as their own.
Reading the comments attached to the article, there are several recurring themes.
“We said NO to The Voice”, “Racist”, “Divisive” and “Woke”.
The Voice was never about WTC. The terms “Racist, Divisive and Woke”, were all used by the Right in opposition to The Voice, yet they now appear as an argument to stop WTC ceremonies.
Many commenters appear to be unaware Indigenous Australians served in the ADF despite not being recognised as citizens until 1967. Then on their return to civilian life, they were denied basic rights we all take for granted.
Watching the video of the Anzac Service at the Shrine, the hecklers were ultimately drowned out by others who attended the service to show their respect for all ADF service personnel.
Ironically the “Heckler In Chief” a self-proclaimed Neo Nazi, bears the name Jacob. Now that is hilarious!
You should be well aware that every attempt at Indigenous recognition and reconciliation has been met with fervent opposition from the “Right”. And despite being dispossessed, massacred, abused and denied basic human rights for two hundred years, the Indigenous people still offer their hand in friendship: and this is how we respond.
Just so your across all the facts of this debate Salty Dawg, your statement "You should be well aware that every attempt at Indigenous recognition and reconciliation has been met with fervent opposition from "The Right" is factually incorrect.
Labor (The Left) won government in 2022 with approx. 32% of the vote, the Libs (The Right) got approx. 36%, the two major parties gained a total of 68% of the votes of every aussie, hold that figure in your head for a minute.
The Voice was voted down by 61% of aussies.
Even if every single Liberal voter said No to the voice (which is also incorrect) you would need AT LEAST more than 50% of the Labor left to also vote No, which means The Right did not vote down the Voice, but a super-majority of ALL australians black, white, purple and yellow.
Thanks Pete,
I was referring to the Parliamentary Right aka the Coalition.
They refuse to acknowledge the Indigenous and Torres Strait Islander Flags.
Howard refused to issue an apology to the Stolen Generations
Dutton boycotted Rudd’s apology (which he later regretted.)
The Turnbull Govt rejected the Uluru Statement from the Heart, and constitutional indigenous recognition. Turnbull, post PM, later supported the Yes Campaign.
The Coalition, after producing The Voice proposal, actively campaigned against it albeit with some members resigning over the matter.
And recently the Queensland Liberal Government repealed the Path To Treaty Act and ended the Truth Telling and Healing Enquiry.
There’s plenty more: it’s a long list, but you get the drift: just one slap in the face after another.
A Salty Dog wrote:Peter Reynolds wrote:A Salty Dog wrote:newdog wrote:A Salty Dog wrote:newdog wrote:No political bias here don't like any of them. i didn't condone anything, i said people are sick WTC.
I'm not.
So what qualifies you to speak for everyone.
And read the comments, you'll see who is shouting racism.
https://www.news.com.au/national/politics/aussies-overwhelmingly-reject-...
Newdog.
Newspolls such as that are notoriously inaccurate, but take it as you wish.
In all my years of travelling around this country, I have never witnessed a WTC ceremony, let alone have them continually “shoved down my throat”, as some maintain. Just as a matter of interest, how many WTC ceremonies have been shoved down your throat?
I have never been denied access to any location on the basis of indigenous land rights, in fact the only issue I have had has been with self-entitled white boys claiming particular breaks as their own.
Reading the comments attached to the article, there are several recurring themes.
“We said NO to The Voice”, “Racist”, “Divisive” and “Woke”.
The Voice was never about WTC. The terms “Racist, Divisive and Woke”, were all used by the Right in opposition to The Voice, yet they now appear as an argument to stop WTC ceremonies.
Many commenters appear to be unaware Indigenous Australians served in the ADF despite not being recognised as citizens until 1967. Then on their return to civilian life, they were denied basic rights we all take for granted.
Watching the video of the Anzac Service at the Shrine, the hecklers were ultimately drowned out by others who attended the service to show their respect for all ADF service personnel.
Ironically the “Heckler In Chief” a self-proclaimed Neo Nazi, bears the name Jacob. Now that is hilarious!
You should be well aware that every attempt at Indigenous recognition and reconciliation has been met with fervent opposition from the “Right”. And despite being dispossessed, massacred, abused and denied basic human rights for two hundred years, the Indigenous people still offer their hand in friendship: and this is how we respond.
Just so your across all the facts of this debate Salty Dawg, your statement "You should be well aware that every attempt at Indigenous recognition and reconciliation has been met with fervent opposition from "The Right" is factually incorrect.
Labor (The Left) won government in 2022 with approx. 32% of the vote, the Libs (The Right) got approx. 36%, the two major parties gained a total of 68% of the votes of every aussie, hold that figure in your head for a minute.
The Voice was voted down by 61% of aussies.
Even if every single Liberal voter said No to the voice (which is also incorrect) you would need AT LEAST more than 50% of the Labor left to also vote No, which means The Right did not vote down the Voice, but a super-majority of ALL australians black, white, purple and yellow.Thanks Pete,
I was referring to the Parliamentary Right aka the Coalition.
They refuse to acknowledge the Indigenous and Torres Strait Islander Flags.
Howard refused to issue an apology to the Stolen Generations
Dutton boycotted Rudd’s apology (which he later regretted.)
The Turnbull Govt rejected the Uluru Statement from the Heart, and constitutional indigenous recognition. Turnbull, post PM, later supported the Yes Campaign.
The Coalition, after producing The Voice proposal, actively campaigned against it albeit with some members resigning over the matter.
And recently the Queensland Liberal Government repealed the Path To Treaty Act and ended the Truth Telling and Healing Enquiry.
There’s plenty more: it’s a long list, but you get the drift: just one slap in the face after another.
I get your point Salty Dawg, however it all feels very tokenistic, saying sorry and not standing behind a flag. Can you tell me how any of these things help the family on welfare in Aurukun? I can tell you after going spearfishing with these families and eating a meal with them, they couldn't care less.
Might as well put this up in the politics subforum, to spare the front page. It's 18 months away or so, but here we go.
This is how Dutton wins:
https://www.afr.com/politics/enter-the-liberal-party-working-class-heroe...