Next Federal Election
gs-co wrote:Far out, that's the first time I've ever read that stuff on the Greens website.
The Greens far more socialist and Marxist than environmentalist. They're not a valid political party in any way whatsoever.
Most importantly, they just don't get the basic, fundamental economic tradeoff between inequality and incentive. This central tradeoff is hammered into you at every stage of an economics degree.
If the Greens had their way we'd be living in a hard core socialist system in which all means of production is state owned. Most of the workforce would be publicly employed. The wealth of successful, productive, energetic and consequently wealthy people would be redistributed to unsuccessful, unproductive people, particularly the lazy and unwilling to work, in order to achieve "equality", "fairness" and "economic justice".
The long-term outcome would be a stagnant economy with no innovation, productivity improvements, technological advance, or growth, since people would have no incentive to.
The private sector would dry up. There would be no tax base to fund the massive public sector. We'd run continual govt deficits. We'd rack up unsustainable govt debt. There'd be no tax base to pay off the debt. The nation would collapse financially.
Other countries would still continue to innovate and develop new technologies, products and services. We'd get left for dead in the global marketplace. All the latest and greatest products and services we'd want to purchase would come from overseas. We'd run continual trade deficits that are also funded by borrowing. Either that or we'd have to turn to hard core trade protectionism
Our economy and innovation would collapse. We would not be able to support a large, technologically advanced military to defend ourselves. Countries like China would easily and swiftly take us over. We'd vanish as a nation.
This cycle has played out countless times historically.
A healthy amount of wealth and income inequality is absolutely vital to ensure the dynamism, vitality, innovation, competitiveness, productivity, technological development and overall growth, success, wealth, prosperity and living standards of a nation.
I think the Greens need some Thomas Sowell wisdom.
I think the chances of the Greens ever being the leading governing party is SFA....
Go take a bex and lie down. :)
I mean, sooo marxist and socialist, riight..?
who the fuck, like, even really liikes them?
c'mon.. 'greeeens'.. soo yuck!
soooehw stagnant.. y'know..
like hellloo.. priivate sectoor..?
GuySmiley wrote:seeds wrote:Hahaha now Indo is dropping the Marxist label.
Life is so sad for #there’salwaysanothercomment these days, all of his genocidal psychopathic international political heroes have been universally disgraced, his domestic political incompetents will be applying for Centrelink after the election and his footy team, while providing current joy, will surely seriously disappoint anytime soon!
It’s a good thing he doesn’t own a dog!
Yeah id prefer LNP but its no big deal that Albo will get voted back in, it could be way way worse.
Mate life's good i cant complain at all.
Pies 2023 premiership.
My two fav surfers on tour JFF & Toledo have won the last few years
The Voice failed and Jacinta was like a queen.
Trump got voted back in (even if id have preferred De Santis)
And your true genocidal hero's in Hezbollah and Hamas etc are getting smashed.
And yes i own a dog, had two until one old boy moved on last year.
andy-mac wrote:newdog wrote:andy-mac wrote:newdog wrote:fear mongering v liar = good choices we have
please tell us how elbo has improved the economy in the last 3 years
Minimum wage increase.
Age care workers wage increases.
Renewable
Fixed up ties with our biggest trading partner.
Repair relationships with Pacific nations.
Inflation back to target. Ok argue rba.
2 surpluses.
Just off top of my head...But yeah Labor.
Edit.. oh yeah stage 3 tax cuts modified to help majority of people not just highest income bracket.
you sound very one eyed
you have 2 use them
PBS double scripts, saving time and money for people especially elderly...
Mate, I have been very critical of Labor and Albo, especially NACC being weak as piss and Aukus especially.
But for all their faults, they lead lnp in every measurable regard.
Really Dutton as PM and Littleproud as DPM?? At least until barnaby sobers up and challanges...
Not a fan of either, will never vote liberal again in my life.
Ah the baleful look at having your knob posted on the internet. Cute pooch, name?
Nice pooch there @info and he looks nice and spoilt , good work!
Haha, such a bad boy, perched up on the back of the lounge :)
Dogs are the best people...
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indo-dreaming wrote:GuySmiley wrote:seeds wrote:Hahaha now Indo is dropping the Marxist label.
Life is so sad for #there’salwaysanothercomment these days, all of his genocidal psychopathic international political heroes have been universally disgraced, his domestic political incompetents will be applying for Centrelink after the election and his footy team, while providing current joy, will surely seriously disappoint anytime soon!
It’s a good thing he doesn’t own a dog!
Yeah id prefer LNP but its no big deal that Albo will get voted back in, it could be way way worse.
Mate life's good i cant complain at all.
Pies 2023 premiership.
My two fav surfers on tour JFF & Toledo have won the last few years
The Voice failed and Jacinta was like a queen.
Trump got voted back in (even if id have preferred De Santis)
And your true genocidal hero's in Hezbollah and Hamas etc are getting smashed.
And yes i own a dog, had two until one old boy moved on last year.
That was our dogs favourite spot, could see what was going on.
Had to get him put down 2 weeks ago.
andy-mac wrote:gs-co wrote:Far out, that's the first time I've ever read that stuff on the Greens website.
The Greens far more socialist and Marxist than environmentalist. They're not a valid political party in any way whatsoever.
Most importantly, they just don't get the basic, fundamental economic tradeoff between inequality and incentive. This central tradeoff is hammered into you at every stage of an economics degree.
If the Greens had their way we'd be living in a hard core socialist system in which all means of production is state owned. Most of the workforce would be publicly employed. The wealth of successful, productive, energetic and consequently wealthy people would be redistributed to unsuccessful, unproductive people, particularly the lazy and unwilling to work, in order to achieve "equality", "fairness" and "economic justice".
The long-term outcome would be a stagnant economy with no innovation, productivity improvements, technological advance, or growth, since people would have no incentive to.
The private sector would dry up. There would be no tax base to fund the massive public sector. We'd run continual govt deficits. We'd rack up unsustainable govt debt. There'd be no tax base to pay off the debt. The nation would collapse financially.
Other countries would still continue to innovate and develop new technologies, products and services. We'd get left for dead in the global marketplace. All the latest and greatest products and services we'd want to purchase would come from overseas. We'd run continual trade deficits that are also funded by borrowing. Either that or we'd have to turn to hard core trade protectionism
Our economy and innovation would collapse. We would not be able to support a large, technologically advanced military to defend ourselves. Countries like China would easily and swiftly take us over. We'd vanish as a nation.
This cycle has played out countless times historically.
A healthy amount of wealth and income inequality is absolutely vital to ensure the dynamism, vitality, innovation, competitiveness, productivity, technological development and overall growth, success, wealth, prosperity and living standards of a nation.
I think the Greens need some Thomas Sowell wisdom.
I think the chances of the Greens ever being the leading governing party is SFA....
Go take a bex and lie down. :)
Bit of hardcore Mcarthyism there. Can you do Muslims next?
@sypkan's hypothetical man boy van toy creation.
mangles every idea, wrangles new interpretations,
from warped ideology.. fucking hell of a hobby,
apparently it's taking off online. There's a lot of young males,
that click when old males say things. Allll of it new-religion,
precious bodily fluids leaking... archaic blood... growing...
Aaaahhhhhhghhgg......!
(as best you can, make sure your boys are beautiful, dads).
sounds like you pulled one too many cones there basesix
never touch it, doesn't agree with me. But I celebrate the lifestyle of my brothers and sisters in the Choof community. Minorities rise up!
Here's a trip, walking through the Mall at 5:30am on my way to the dawn service in Adelaide CBD, I happen upon a line of about 30 people in camp chairs in front of Rebel Sports. Some Kobe Bryant Nikes are dropping they tell me, 15 pairs is the rumor. A little further on at a Cibo hole in the wall I get a coffee.. the enterprising manager feller tells me and others to show off our cups 'down there.. they'll all be rushing up here after'..
capitalism opposition to the western pillars, and pillars adjacent capitalism I guess?
at the dawny, lots of abc vans and cameras, and police, medics, street-cleaners, event organisers ALL jobs paid for by the government.. bastards.. using our taxes to fund jobs..
public school kids choir too, subsidised by my tax dollar.. *sigh* at least no-one 'booed the boongs' (as an aboriginal acquaintance phrases it, a popular new sport he reckons) in Adelaide.
newdog wrote:That was our dogs favourite spot, could see what was going on.
Had to get him put down 2 weeks ago.
Thats exactly what he does he doesn't normally sit there though he normally lies down he then can see everything going on from there.
If it was up to me id have kept him off there, but my wife spoils him and we would have ten dogs if it was up to her.
Sorry to hear about your dog, had to do the same last year with our older boy.
gs-co wrote:Far out, that's the first time I've ever read that stuff on the Greens website.
The Greens far more socialist and Marxist than environmentalist. They're not a valid political party in any way whatsoever.
Most importantly, they just don't get the basic, fundamental economic tradeoff between inequality and incentive. This central tradeoff is hammered into you at every stage of an economics degree.
If the Greens had their way we'd be living in a hard core socialist system in which all means of production is state owned. Most of the workforce would be publicly employed. The wealth of successful, productive, energetic and consequently wealthy people would be redistributed to unsuccessful, unproductive people, particularly the lazy and unwilling to work, in order to achieve "equality", "fairness" and "economic justice".
The long-term outcome would be a stagnant economy with no innovation, productivity improvements, technological advance, or growth, since people would have no incentive to.
The private sector would dry up. There would be no tax base to fund the massive public sector. We'd run continual govt deficits. We'd rack up unsustainable govt debt. There'd be no tax base to pay off the debt. The nation would collapse financially.
Other countries would still continue to innovate and develop new technologies, products and services. We'd get left for dead in the global marketplace. All the latest and greatest products and services we'd want to purchase would come from overseas. We'd run continual trade deficits that are also funded by borrowing. Either that or we'd have to turn to hard core trade protectionism
Our economy and innovation would collapse. We would not be able to support a large, technologically advanced military to defend ourselves. Countries like China would easily and swiftly take us over. We'd vanish as a nation.
This cycle has played out countless times historically.
A healthy amount of wealth and income inequality is absolutely vital to ensure the dynamism, vitality, innovation, competitiveness, productivity, technological development and overall growth, success, wealth, prosperity and living standards of a nation.
I think the Greens need some Thomas Sowell wisdom.
When i was young i had no interest in politics and always voted Greens based on thinking they were all about the environment, i have mates with zero interest in politics that probably still think this way.
Imagine how many young people vote for the greens without really understanding what they are voting for.
basesix wrote:at the dawny, lots of abc vans and cameras, and police, medics, street-cleaners, event organisers ALL jobs paid for by the government.. bastards.. using our taxes to fund jobs..
public school kids choir too, subsidised by my tax dollar.. *sigh* at least no-one 'booed the boongs' (as an aboriginal acquaintance phrases it, a popular new sport he reckons) in Adelaide.
If you think I'm arguing for no role for government provision of any products and services at all in the economy, then you definitely have been on the drugs, and/or you've never actually read anything I've said about economics stuff, and/or you just don't know what I mean when I say things like (from the US thread):
> "traditional working class labor politics and basic economics 101 of a mixed market economy."
Do you know what a mixed market economy is? Do you know what the consensus among economists is of the role of government provision, even the most minimal role pushed by say libertarian and classical economists?
Maybe try reading any basic first year economics textbook and you'll see what they say about the fundamental and sensible role of government and public provision of some products and services in a mixed market economy - what they recommend for public provision vs what should be left to the private sector.
The Greens are not arguing for basic, common sense mixed market economy economics 101. They're pushing for full blown socialism and economic oblivion.
There's a very big difference.
EDIT: Great dog Indo. Staffies are the best!
Met a bloke called Ted from Southend near Mt Gambier. I bought a toastie from Hungry Jacks after the dawny, it was pretty good. Bells is looking yuk, hey?
(my point @gsco.. it's pretty farking good here in Aus.. [as long as we're kind and generous, to make up for the cnuts that {sic} aren't]).
Is it just me, or are people starting to yell louder about the Greens now the Libs are looking spuddy? Man, they look for causes more than the loonie lefts!
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My staffy died of old age….he's irreplaceable so no more dogs.
Travelling now a lot too…..he was a true surf dog…..chucked sticks into the waves and he’d swim right out and bodysurf back with them in his mouth…..
I chucked a stick way up and over into the dunes once to give him a soft sand run and he came back with a coppers log in his mouth…..found a better one than mine…ha ha…..wouldn’t put it down and walked all along the beach with it straining away much to everyone’s amusement.
Funny dog…..miss him.
Yep, they form a big part of your life. The last journey to the vet is hard.
basesix wrote:Is it just me, or are people starting to yell louder about the Greens now the Libs are looking spuddy? Man, they look for causes more than the loonie lefts!
Since the 1930's no government has been voted out after one term, LNP realistically dont have a chance this election.
Hence my bigger worry this election with people moving away from the two majors is the Greens and Teals picking up more seats which equal's more power for them
It's so easy for me to fall into this mindset of Labor being the enemy because id prefer a LNP government, but i need to try to move out of this mindset, they share differences but they also share a lot in common, they are both in the centre just one right of centre one left of centre.
For me the real enemy is the more radical far left parties most are irrelevant but the Greens are not.
Optimist wrote:My staffy died of old age….he's irreplaceable so no more dogs.
Travelling now a lot too…..he was a true surf dog…..chucked sticks into the waves and he’d swim right out and bodysurf back with them in his mouth…..
I chucked a stick way up and over into the dunes once to give him a soft sand run and he came back with a coppers log in his mouth…..found a better one than mine…ha ha…..wouldn’t put it down and walked all along the beach with it straining away much to everyone’s amusement.
Funny dog…..miss him.
Yeah thats the only hard bit with dogs, the restriction's in can bring on traveling especially overseas but even in Australia go somewhere like the south coast of NSW and it restricts you greatly on places you can stay or beaches you can go.
Luckily we have a friend that dog sits, so when we go to Indo our dog is happily hanging out with other dogs baking himself in front of wood fire place.
Might as well put this up in the politics subforum, to spare the front page. It's 18 months away or so, but here we go.
This is how Dutton wins:
https://www.afr.com/politics/enter-the-liberal-party-working-class-heroe...